Pitching staff in 2009
We are officially out of the wild card race (have been for a while). Byrd and Kinsler's comments beg the question, what can management do to overhaul the 2009 rangers pitching staff? The offense is young, cheap, and good enough to win it all. I know that this isn't the first, and certainly won't be the last post on the subject, but I would like to hear suggestions for what you would do this offseason to correct the worst pitching staff in baseball.
My suggestion:
1- Spend money. We have the money. We don't have any true 1's that will be ready until 2010 at best. Plus, great teams have top flight young pitchers that have to force their way onto the roster. They don't leave gaping holes that force pitchers that aren't ready onto the major league roster. If the offense wasn't there, it wouldn't make sense to spend, but they are so we should.
I would push hard to sign 2 of the following 3: Sheets, CC, and Burnett. Are we guaranteed this? Not at all. But any of these pitchers become our top pitcher. No reason to spend on 3's and 4's. It's all in or bust.
2- if the price is right, trade for a top starter. Greinke, Holliday...etc. The obvious choice is to use our catching surplus and deep farm system to provide a top of the line pitcher that we can control for a while in return.
3- Don't buy relievers. Relievers are the most unreliable pitchers from year to year. I strongly believe that the best way to make a strong bullpen is to have a great rotation and then allow quality leftovers to fill the bullpen. A bad rotation means you have scraps for a bullpen. The Krods of the world will be overpaid given the risk.
Here's an ideal offseason for me:
1- Sheets/CC
2- Burnett/Sheets
3- Greinke/traded pitcher
4- Padilla
5-McCarthy (possibly Millwood)
Bullpen:
Rupe, Wright, Feldman (only has two pitches), Francisco, Wilson, Benoit, Mendoza (maybe, but he shouldn't be a starter- 2 pitches), Guardado (resigned), Madrigal. Closer would be the winner of a Francisco, Madrigal (I think he's the future), Wilson, and Guardado battle.
AAA
Nippert- he's got #1/#2 potential, and he's starting to put it together. Rather than stash him in the pen, he should build stamina and be the first call up- and we know it will come.
Hurley- a 5 ERA in AAA says he doesn't belong in a World Series contending rotation yet.
Gabbard- another back of the rotation ceiling pitcher. He's perfect for a call up, terrible if we are counting on him to be a permanent placement in the rotation.
Harrison- not ready for the show yet.
Mathis
Bullpen
Hunter- closer (only has two pitches, he can be an average starter or a dominant closer), Littleton, Loe (2 pitches and is always hurt)
The "only has two pitches" comment is that I've heard that you need to have 3 pitches to get through a line up more than once. We keep filling our rotation with guys that really have to pitch perfectly to make it through the line up. They could be great relievers, but will never be more than back of the rotation starters. (Mendoza, Loe, Feldman, Gabbard)
Now...I'm open to rebuke.
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For once...
I really have nothing bad to say about that. Aside from maybe the actual listing of your roster for next year, I’d say you’ve pretty much gotten it right on there.
Good post.
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by utlonghorn24 on Aug 14, 2008 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How Sweet
Horns & Aggies living in perfect harmony
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 14, 2008 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you aren’t interested in the discussion… you don’t have to read it, and you certainly don’t have to post.
by aggiecurt05 on Aug 14, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love the whole...
“spend money. WE have it”… its real easy to spend someone else’s money… and buy buy buy talent is a surefire way to overhaul any lineup… i love the MLB 08 armchair GMs…
“i’ve heard you need three good pitches to get through a lineup more than once…”
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by ivysafety39 on Aug 14, 2008 12:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you'd have a hard time
convincing anyone that the Rangers couldn’t spend $20+ million more and still be profitable.
I'm sure the Russians felt there were WMD's in Georgia, and that it was a hotbed of terrorism.
by DJCahill on Aug 14, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've gotta bring in at least 2 guys from the outside...
Whether it’s one guy through FA and one through trade, or two guys through FA, you’ve gotta do something drastic if you want this team to compete. Our young guys either aren’t ready or just aren’t good enough. Our veterans for the most part suck.
To me, one of Sheets/Sabathia is a must have this winter. If you get both, great. If you get one and then someone like AJ Burnett, great… If you get one and trade for a younger guy, great… But do something.
I think the bullpen would be fine if they weren’t responsible for 4 or 5 innings 5 days a week… That’s not a concern to me much at all. But something has gotta be done about the rotation. If Padilla or Millwood is anything more than a #3 going into next year, it’ll have been a disappointing offseason IMO…
by N41D on Aug 14, 2008 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
amen.
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by ivysafety39 on Aug 14, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think we’ve got a shot at Sheets though.
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
by lonestarJon on Aug 14, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullpen
I think we could get by with a 7 man bullpen if we had those starters… I think spending 14 roster spots on pitching is a bit much though.
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by hillcrest on Aug 14, 2008 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
but with our current starters
we really need a 12 man bullpen. That is what happens when you can only get 4 innings out of your starter each day.
by uthornfan on Aug 14, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 innings?
We could only be so lucky
by RangersOCD on Aug 14, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to have that rotation but thats very unlikely
i would be okay with
1-Sheets/Sabathia
2- Padilla
3-Hurley
4-McCarthy/ Millwood (depending on who performs better)
5- Hunter/Harrison/Gabbard
then if we still have some money left i think we should spend money on the bullpen and just have an outstanding bullpen with Madrigal and Eddie somewhere in there. we lead the AL in blown saves with our save percantage only being 56%. imagine where we could be with tampa-bay-like bullpen
OT:remember how the rays were doing it with pitching and defense. well they have same fielding percentage as us, second to last in the AL
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 14, 2008 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitching
You gotta think either Laird or Salty wii bring in an okay young starter in here. The only thing I worry about is Sabathia/Sheets or Burnett will be here for 5-7 years if they sign with us. Guys like Holland, Beavan, Main, Feliz, Kiker will be ready in 3-4 years and might be blocked.
by meatbonelefty on Aug 14, 2008 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that will be a good problem to have
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 14, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
Since when is having a logjam of major league caliber pitchers a bad thing?
by N41D on Aug 14, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it could be
one or two of those guys could end up being a Barry Zito where we’re stuck with the expensive contract and for 5-7 years.
by meatbonelefty on Aug 14, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sabathia doesnt rely on a 12-6 curve and 85 mph fastball
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 14, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw Hunter has 3 pitches
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 14, 2008 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nippert
Hes out of options and has been DFAd already so the only way he goes to AAA is if he accepts an assignment. He could become a FA if he chooses.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 14, 2008 1:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My bad. Then he sticks on the major league roster next year. If we have no signings, he’s worth the number 5 spot. OTherwise, he goes back to the bullpen.
I’m probably the exception, but I want him in the rotation the rest of the year. If he can’t cut it- he’s in the bullpen permanently.
by aggiecurt05 on Aug 14, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you watched him pitch?
what exactly about him pitching has given you any indication that he is capable of being a starter in this league? he has severe command issues that come and go like the wind. When he can locate his fastball, he can be very capable. When he cant, he is worthless. Thats the absolute LAST thing this team needs out of its starting pitchers.
We need guys that will pound the strike zone and not give up free bases with walks. Nippert is not and never will be the answer in a big league rotation. On any team.
And the only way he can stick in the bullpen is if he finds some form of consistency. Right now, he’s only useful as the long reliever for us to toss out in situations where our starter has gotten shelled early and we just need a guy to go out there and give us some innings to save our quality bullpen arms for the next game.
by 6th street on Aug 14, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
His minor league #s as a starter are unimpressive as well so no sure how anyone could go there. He is a guy who has hit 98 on the gun before but his fastball has no movement and he seems to get hit hardest when he is throwing the hardest. Couple that with command concerns then he is no more than a long guy or MR. However, I still think the rangers should keep him on the 40, continue to work with him and see if he can legitimately win a spot next year. He didnt spend spring training in the org so i think It is a low risk gamble.
by Goyogringo on Aug 14, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
these types of threads are getting quite redundant
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Aug 14, 2008 1:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no shit
seems like theres a new one every other day. when did we start a GM-in-training program around here? I must have missed out.
by 6th street on Aug 14, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where’s the last one?
For the life of me I can’t figure out why people dedicate the energy to complaining about a thread’s content. Just don’t post if you aren’t interested in the topic.
A large percentage of people enjoy pro sports because they like to armchair GM. If you don’t enjoy it, then keep to discussions that don’t involve it. Although… the content of most forums are LARGELY based on “what would you do if you were in charge.” So…good luck.
by aggiecurt05 on Aug 14, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God
I hate this kind of post complaining about the complaining about bad posts.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 14, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact is that complaining about posts rather than engaging the issues brought up is the equivalent of an ad hominem attack. Asking people to actually engage the post or to ignore it is not weak. It’s asking people to have a semblance of intelligence and good judgment. I suppose another option is that you can post a list of topics that you enjoy discussing and the viewpoints you have regarding them and we can all keep to agreeing with you and only discussing your interests.
by aggiecurt05 on Aug 15, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a joke,
don’t be so uptight. If someone posted a diary on making pudding I’d probably offer a comment or two.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 15, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009
Unless we can unload Millwood he is a lock for a spot. I would be okay going after Sheets even though he has an extensive injury history. I also think Jon Garland would be a good target. he would probably be in the Padilla price range but shouldn’t cost a draft pick to sign.
Sheets, Padilla, Millwood, Garland, McCarthy as my rotation
Feldman (out of options so must be on 25 man roster), Nippert (same as Feldman), Madrigal, CJ, Frankie, Benoit, Rupe as my bullpen
That leaves Hurley, Harrison, Mathis, Gabbard, and Diamond in OKC with Mendoza converting to a reliever down there
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 14, 2008 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jon Garland
is awful. Doesn’t K anyone, gives up too many home runs.
That’s the worst type of pitcher you would have in Arlington.
by FirebatM3 on Aug 14, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im fine with him
A guy who has pitched 190+ innings each of the last 6 season and should hit that again this season. 200+ innings the last 4 season. With the contract he should require to sign, 3 yrs 30-33 million, I would gladly take him. The perfect guy to stay in the middle of the rotation while our young guys come up and surpass him.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 14, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got a bad skillset for Texas
I’m not sure if I would take him above AJ Burnett, and that’s accounting for AJ being made of tissue paper.
by FirebatM3 on Aug 14, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I wouldn't take him over Burnett
But Burnett will cost a big chunk of money. if we sign Sheets I don’t see us willing to spend that big of money on another pitcher. And with all the injuries we have had this year I think signing a guy who has been healthy, thrown alot of innings consistantly and is a mid priced starting pitcher would be a good signing.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 14, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with ya...
Garland as a 4th starter is fine by me. I know the guy would have a ERA close to 5 in RBiA, but at least he has shown he will stay healthy and pitch 200 innings or so. With this teams offense that is good enough for a back end of the rotation guy imo.
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by slc ranger on Aug 14, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garland @ RBiA
44.1 IP, 62 H, 17 BB, 6 HR
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 14, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your point?
That is against the Rangers offense. Barry Zito was damn near unbeatable at TBiA.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a good point...
When looking at signing pitchers and their #’s at RBiA you have to remember that is against the Rangers offense which has been better than most offenses in the past decade.
Again, I don’t think the guy is an ace, but I can’t understand why he couldn’t be a back end of the rotaion guy here.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 15, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No to Burnett
because he doesnt put in the effort. The guy has all the talent in the world but no motivation. career underachiever.
by 6th street on Aug 14, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i say 'screw 2009'
and go for it in 2010.
Keep trotting Harrison, Hunter, and Hurley out there with Padilla and Millwood and see if ANY of them deserve a spot in 2010. Fill out your 2010 rotation with Feliz, Holland, and FAs (to the extent that those holes cannot be filled from the aforementioned).
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by willamos2 on Aug 14, 2008 1:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
McCarthy?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 14, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fine with that too...
As long as the Rangers try and get CC or Sheets. I don’t think they will get either, and if they don’t then I’m ok with them going with what they have ’til 2010. Hunter, Harrion and Mendoza should start in AAA, but a rotation of Millwood, Padilla, BMac, Hurley, and whatever starter we get in a deal for one tof the catchers is fine by me.
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by slc ranger on Aug 14, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tiresome...
the reality of next years rotation:
millwood
padilla
mccarthy
hurley
feldman/hunter
the only FA we’ll spend money on is board game. and try and bring back easy eddie.
our payroll is what it is… get over the “we have money thing”… you should be more worried about why we can’t keep a pitcher healthy not how much we are spending on spending on free agents…
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by ivysafety39 on Aug 14, 2008 1:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Will you be willing to acknowledge it if you are wrong? More importantly, will you be more disappointed if the team improves the rotation than if they do nothing so that you can continue to have a reason to complain about management?
I’ll bet anyone here up to 100 dollars that we have at least one pitcher added to the top 3 spots of our rotation either via FA or trade. To say that JD will do nothing to attempt to improve the CLEAR weakness of the team runs contrary to his entire tenure as GM. He hasn’t always gotten it right, but he’s consistently made moves.
The defeatist attitude is fair considering the rangers long running track record of mediocrity, but must be tiresome for someone that cares enough to post on a rangers forum.
by aggiecurt05 on Aug 14, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well heres mine
Rotation: Sheets, Padilla, Millwood, Feldman, and McCarthy
Bullpen: Nippert, CJ, Frankie, Madrigal, Rupe, Eddie, Beniot, Wright and Littleton
As the closer, I’d like to see Littleton get a chance at first because imo, he’s got the best stuff on the team. Then, I’d have it go down to somewhere between Frankie, CJ, and Madrigal
Then in 2010, with Padilla and Millwood coming off, you can throw Hunter and Harrison in, and eventually have the likes of Holland, Feliz, Main, and Beavan…..
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by hinduplaya on Aug 14, 2008 1:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Littleton as closer?
Ha you seriously just lost some credibility in my book. But thank you for making my coworkers look at me wondering why I almost fell out of my chair from laughing so hard. Oh and you owe me a new keyboard because apparantly coke and electronic equipment don’t mix very well
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 14, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not???
Would you rather see CJ out there with his sub 5 ERA??
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by hinduplaya on Aug 14, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
if BGL is healthy next year I would much rather see him close than Wes, and I really like Wes too.
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by slc ranger on Aug 14, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
wouldnt you at least want to see him get a chance. Yes, I agree I’d at least like a look at a healthy CJ closing, but I still would like to see Wes get a chance
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by hinduplaya on Aug 14, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where are you getting sub-5.00 ERA from?
His ERA is like around 6 right now.
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by utlonghorn24 on Aug 14, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Hurley
is behind all of those guys?
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by t ball on Aug 14, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
behind who??
If you meant Feldman and McCarthy, than ya i would say so. but IMO, if you get rid of Millwood, I would think that Hurley would be your #5. Also, I’d rather see him getting consistent starts at OKC, then in the bullpen…..
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by hinduplaya on Aug 14, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I for one just don’t see what he’s done to deserve a spot given to him. His AAA ERA isn’t good for a major league pitcher. He’s a perfect example of someone that I would be disheartened to see given a roster spot if I were anyone on the offense.
by aggiecurt05 on Aug 14, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
Just reread my original post. Sorry, meant to say that it wouldve been Hurley and Harrison in 2010. But yes, with the first injury to someone in the rotation, I would expect Hurley to be up here.
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by hinduplaya on Aug 14, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my two
with what we have:
Padilla
Millwood
Feldman
Mccarthy
Harrison/Hurley/Hunter
what I want:
Sabathia/Sheets/some other FA
Padilla
Feldman
Mccarthy
Harrison
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by dstar442005 on Aug 14, 2008 1:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2009 Rotation
1- Nolan Ryan
2-Nolan Ryan
3-Nolan Ryan
4-Nolan Ryan
5-Nolan Ryan
by CRUSHDAVIS on Aug 14, 2008 1:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Might I suggest a little Nolan Ryan in the bullpen also
by CRUSHDAVIS on Aug 14, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+11111111111111111111111111
hahaha
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by hinduplaya on Aug 14, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no need for a bullpen
when Nolan’s pitching complete games every night
by naropean on Aug 14, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love your screenname
and I love your optimism, but we’re not going to sign Sabathia, we’re not going to sign Sheets, and we’re not going to sign Burnett, no matter how hard we try.
by aggierangerfan00 on Aug 14, 2008 2:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure I disagree with you. But, while we’ve missed more than we’ve hit on top flight pitchers we’ve pursued in the FA market, it’s not like we’ve never had one sign (the last two have failed to live up to standards). Rumors have us going hard after Sabathia, Sheets lives in the area, and Burnett is from TX. We also boast one of the top 3 best young offenses in baseball, so they know they’ll have support. So, until they all three sign elsewhere, I’m going to retain the optimism.
by aggiecurt05 on Aug 14, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this is a
opinion of what we will do with our pitching, then stop reading my comment…
If it is a prediction, hear this.
All year, the organization has said its priority is to build a team from within, not to spend big money on outside products that are rarely succesful.
Sabathia wont get signed. Sheets is a BIG gamble and will want big bucks the Rangers probably wont pony up.
Burnett is a bigger risk than Sheets and he will want big money that the Rangers wont give so that is NOT likely. Out of all the possible pitchers on the market the first they might go get is krod IF ANYBODY at all… Idk what things will look like coming out of ST, but by September of next year, this is where I see us…
Padilla
McCarthy
Hurley
Feldman
Feliz
were 10 games over .500 and in second place for the wild card chase.
Its time...
by PM Productions on Aug 14, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There’ll be a couple of good FA pitchers beyond C.C., Sheets, and Burnett (who undoubtedly will opt out). What about Ollie Perez who has been on fire recently and is still young, is lefthanded, and can K people?
When’s the last time we’ve had a pitcher with all three of those traits? Why not bring Ryan Dempster home? He’s having a great year as a starter and also offers versatility in that he has closing experience. I imagine they’d both come a lot cheaper than C.C. et al.
by Rangerchick on Aug 14, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you in principle
Stick with the plan.
A lot of people are bitching about the kids being ineffective, but they’re kids and are facing the likes of NYY and BOS on the road. That’s bound to be ugly. This time of year the young guys are starting to get tired, too.
The Rangers aren’t going through these growing pains for nothing. I guess I wouldn’t be surprised if they went after one big free agent, but I sure wouldn’t look for a complete overhaul with outside talent.
by Black Francis on Aug 14, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by utlonghorn24 on Aug 14, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
People were bitching about how the Rangers didn’t have the patience to let guys like Doug Davis grow into the rotation. Now they’re bitching because guys are getting a chance to show if they can stick.
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by t ball on Aug 14, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there’s a major difference between giving up on a pitcher like Doug Davis who had a sub 5 ERA in the majors vs saying that players who haven’t spent half a season in AAA and haven’t even dominated at the highest level of the minors (Harrison, Hunter, Hurley). Seriously, what have any of these pitchers shown in the majors OR triple A that would indicate they are ready to play for a playoff level team?
by aggiecurt05 on Aug 14, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Number 1
This is not a playoff level team. Number 2, Davis was just a random example. Obviously a lot of these guys have been thrust into the majors too soon because of injuries. But we need to be prepared fro growing pains from any of the arms coming up, including Feliz, Holland, etc.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 15, 2008 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Logic
The recent past would indicate the Rangers aren’t going to be big free-agency players over the winter. This is a team that was sort of in it at the trade deadline and had tons of talent to trade for pitchers. They didn’t budge. It’s a front office that is sticking to the plan whether you like it or not. Unless Hicks does another 180, anyway.
And that’s exactly what they should do. I don’t know how long you’ve been watching baseball, but this is how teams that win year after year are built. It’s not pretty in the beginning. But talent? There’s no lack of pitching talent on the Rangers 25-man roster right now. Some are going to surprise you. Some will disappoint all of us, but there are more coming down the pipeline.
And don’t forget that they just fired their big league pitching coach. I would imagine a lot of adjustments are going on. These kids are working hard by all accounts…for the first time since I’ve been following the Rangers I can see them having a top third (AL) staff within a couple years.
by Black Francis on Aug 15, 2008 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz
Has Feliz ever gotten knocked around in the minors. Not like 4BB 3H 2R stuff he does in AA, I mean like Harrison and Hunter now in the majors, because I’m worried that if he continues to dominate and struggles from being rushed that his psyche will be effected
by cashman on Aug 15, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been watching baseball a long time. The plan is to build from within and add key free agents when the time is right. I’m suggesting the time is right.
You are suggesting just let the pitchers get ready, but I haven’t heard anyone explain to me how pitchers that aren’t dominating minor league competition should be forced into a major league rotation to get their licks. Adding one of two young top level FA pitchers certainly won’t keep the best pitchers from making it to the next level. Get a sub 4 ERA at Triple A then talk to me. Until then, you aren’t ready.
We might not be a playoff team, but we have a playoff level offense. Saying Hicks won’t spend is ignoring the last several years in the offseason where he’s been willing to shell out big money for big names that just didn’t choose to come here (which should change now because we look like we are on the ups). Saying we should hold off and build from within ignores the fact that by the time our high potential pitchers make it to the big show, we will have major contracts to shell out to our position players. At this point, after watching management refuse to support their great offense with free agents for 3 straight seasons, what makes you think they will gladly sign on for the longterm? Isn’t this a complete repeat of the last round of young talented position players we had come through the system while we waited for the pitching to come around?
by aggiecurt05 on Aug 15, 2008 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to make a couple of points
First, minor league numbers aren’t a good basis to evaluate what a player’s ready for. Down there they work on things…they’re development leagues. When I see Eric Hurley pitch, I don’t think he’s very far off from being a bona fide MLB pitcher. How good of a MLB pitcher he could be God only knows, but he’s better than his minor league numbers indicate. I think if he went back and was told to get those guys out, he wouldn’t have much of a problem doing it. Just like you can tell Nelson Cruz to go to OKC and knock the cover off the ball. Doing it in the bigs is a different story, and that’s what they play for down there. Not for numbers.
You’re right that they’re not ready. Not this year, obviously, or the results would be better. But pitchers can turn it around. Look at Volquez.
Over the winter the whole organization will get together and discuss what’s going on. I’ll eat my shoe if they end up doing what you’re talking about: signing two big free agents and giving up a load of prospects for pitchers that 15 other teams will be bidding for. I think it’s much more likely that they go hard after one free agent, which if they land him would give them a half-way decent 1 and 2. The 3, 4, and 5 spots will likely be filled internally with Millwood in the mix.
But with this team free-agency can be just as dangerous as going with youth. Millwood was coming off an AL ERA title, was he not? Park had great stuff for the Dodgers. They spent millions and millions on those guys only for both of them to be horrible. I don’t really care to see that again.
There’s no such thing as a playoff caliber offense. The Rangers had juggernaut lineups in the late nineties with serviceable starters and pretty damn good bullpens. They went nowhere because they Yankees had a lineup that was about as good but pitching that was much better. And unless you’re the Yankees, you can’t put together a rotation the way you’re talking about doing it. Many, many teams have tried and went down in flames. You don’t look at your offense and think it’s so great that you go to desperate lengths to acquire the pitching to go with it.
And I wouldn’t worry about keeping the lineup together. I have a feeling they’ll do that.
Young pitchers can come along really quickly. Be patient and realistic.
by Black Francis on Aug 15, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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