Friday a.m. stuff
Thank goodness that road trip is done with. That was ugly.
Tommy Hunter got shelled, and is apparently heading back to the minors today to make room for Kevin Millwood, who is being activated from the disabled list to make tonight's start. Hunter, of course, shouldn't be in the majors right now. Neither should Luis Mendoza, Matt Harrison, or Warner Madrigal.
But the expected Opening Day rotation has combined to make exactly half of the Rangers' starts this season -- 61 of 122 games -- which has resulted in guys like Scott Feldman pitching more innings than the team would like, and guys like Hunter being rushed up here before they are probably ready.
Jeff Wilson notes that Hunter started the season in A ball, Feldman and Harrison in AA, and Mendoza in AAA:
Harrison, a left-hander, tossed a no-hitter for Frisco this year and also found success at Oklahoma. His first big-league start was his best of the season, but he’s only matched that effort once.
Hunter, who has pitched at four levels this season, made his third start Thursday. He has impressed because he throws strikes no matter how hard his pitches are being hit.
Mendoza was a Double A success last year and a spring-training star, but injuries and an inability to get ahead of hitters have resulted in a season without progress.
Each has shown he can get outs in the big leagues, but not consistently.
"It’s asking a lot," Washington said. "They’ve had flashes. But the next time, you see inexperience. You want consistency. That’s what we’ve strived for."
There's no news on the Justin Smoak and Robbie Ross fronts...they are still negotiating, and if deals are reached, it will probably be late today, as both sides play chicken.
Evan Grant says it is okay to play hardball with Justin Smoak, and let him walk if need be, because 1) the Rangers have Chris Davis now at first base, which wasn't the case when Smoak was taken, and 2) the Rangers need pitching, and they could take a pitcher instead of Smoak with the replacement pick next year.
I couldn't disagree with Grant more on this. Smoak was the best player on the board, and there isn't likely to be a better player than him available with the replacement pick next year. You take the best player available, even if he isn't a pitcher, and even if you have a good player who plays that position in the majors. And if your replacement pick next year doesn't sign, you get nothing, which means you have a lot less leverage next year than this year.
Which isn't to say, give Smoak whatever he wants. But taking a hard-line position with a guy regarded as a top talent in the draft, who the Rangers were fortunate dropped to them, because you have a first baseman and need pitching doesn't make sense, to me.
UPDATE -- Evan Grant offers a response to several comments about his Smoak post here.
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Madrigal & Hunter
Why do you say Madrigal shouldn’t be in the majors? Outside of his first appearence vs the Yamkees, he has done pretty well.
Is it worth burning one of Hunter’s options by sending him down two weeks before 9/1? They should send Mendoza down and let Nippert take Hunter’s roation spot.
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by RangerMad on Aug 15, 2008 9:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hunter
They won’t burn an option if they bring him back up on September 1st when rosters expand.
As for Madrigal I think what Adam is implying is under normal circumstances a guy who has only been a pitcher for a year or so and who had not pitched above A ball coming into this year would not be in the majors. They would most likely still be in AAA.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hunter option
Right now Hunter has 3 options. If they send him down to the minors now I believe it will use one of them. Coming up doesn’t use an option. Being sent down does.
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by RangerMad on Aug 15, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
You burn an option when you are on the 40 man roster but not on the 25 man active roster. Thats called being on “optional assignment”. You can be brought up and sent down as much as the team wants in a given year and you only burn one option. However if you don’t spend more than 20 days on the 40 man roster in the minors then you don’t burn an option year. Thats why since we purchased Hunters contract and hes been here ever since he can be sent down today, the 15th, and brought up in 16 days , September 1st, and not burn an option. He will go into next year with his full 3 option years remaining.
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by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
20 day rule
OK, you got me on the 20 day rule. :)
Something else to factor in. Looks like OKC is going to be in the playoffs. Would JD call up Hunter in the middle of an OKC playoff series?
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by RangerMad on Aug 15, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
that option year, as we learned with tejeda, Cruz, and Botts this year, can be very important. The minor league playoffs are not as important as potentially another full year of development and evaluation time on a guy like Hunter.
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by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers are limping right now
from a PR perspective. The goodwill they built in the DFW area with their run during May and their .500 in June and July was pretty much used up when they ran out three AAA ball pitchers in Boston in a make or break series that ended with men gasping and children crying.
If, the very next day, they fail to sign the gift that fell to them in the June draft and, quite frankly, the one good player acquisition they have made this calendar year after a completely lackluster trade deadline, then they might as well hang a sign on the temple and announce to their fans that they are longer trying to compete as a baseball team.
by clark on Aug 15, 2008 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
x
The goodwill they built in the DFW area with their run during May and their .500 in June and July was pretty much used up when they ran out three AAA ball pitchers in Boston in a make or break series that ended with men gasping and children crying.
I don’t think that’s the case.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps some hyperbole
but the few fans that were still paying attention to this team after the Olympics and Cowboys preseason started just witnessed some pretty horrible baseball. If the season ended tomorrow, I am not sure you could argue that steps forward have been made. It would have been nice if just one pitcher had a)stayed healthy and b) established himself as a big league option.
To not sign Smoak would be a huge black eye on a team that is already battered and bruised.
by clark on Aug 15, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who are they supposed to let pitch?
Millwoods hurt, Padillas hurt, McCarthys hurt, who else are we supposed to throw out there to pitch against Boston. Are there 3 veteran FAs we could sign last week to pitch for this one series?
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by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not saying
there were better internal options. but other teams seem to find spot starters who can at least finish pitching three innings of baseball (or more!). all those second rate journey men that no one wanted to sign because they could “impede the progress” of our young pitchers would have been better options than what we are now seeing, because i would argue that running a young pitcher who is clearly not ready to pitch in the majors is worse.
by clark on Aug 15, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyones injured
All our secondary options are injured. We are now on our third set of pitching options. The guys we could use as filler would require a roster move which is hard to do right now because of all the injuries we have.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your logic
is sound, and mine isn’t. i admit that. i am just pissed about the last week or two, and i am venting. the injuries this year have been completely deflating and ultimately very detrimental to this team. guys are now on the 40 who shouldn’t be, and that will make things harder over the winter.
by clark on Aug 15, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ehh
The guys who are on the 40 and in the majors that shouldn’t be are most of the guys we would have had to add over the winter anyway. Hunter is really the only guy we have put on the 40 who we wouldn’t have anyway. Our 40 man situation will be fine this winter.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All the development..
.. has been in the minors. The 2010 projection is looking pretty accurate. Without a big signing this offseason, 2009 will probably only be marginally better than 2008.
by mattrpav on Aug 15, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless something clicks
for a number of young pitchers, i seriously doubt this same team in 2009 would even match the success of the 2008 squad, let alone be marginally better.
by clark on Aug 15, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think...
…the 2009 Rangers are likely to have a rotation ERA close to 6?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would expect
the pitching to be slightly better, and the hitting to be slightly worse. the idea of life without milt protecting hamilton scares me. doesn’t the Pythagorean wizardry show that this team has done better than their numbers would indicate?
by clark on Aug 15, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably well over 5 again....
I don’t see how you could expect a drastic improvement. I mean what do we have going into next year? The rotation (barring any signings) would be (in no particular order) Millwood, Padilla, McCarthy, Feldman, and Hurley IMO. You would have Harrison, Murray, Gabbard, Mathis, Mendoza, Hunter all there to take place for injuries. None of the young guys except Hurley and Feldman have shown anything at all to make me think they have a bright future in this league. I know we haven’t had a long time to see many of them but at least Hurley put up a few decent starts in succession. Do you really expect this team to be better next year with this shitty of a rotation coupled with the fact that our pythag win loss is worse than our actual record and the fact that resigning Bradley is far from a given (and IMO is not likely)?
by erikj07 on Aug 15, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on that assessment.
That said, a trade will happen this winter. JD didn’t get it done at the deadline, but he will before April.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Aug 15, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009..
.. by marginally better, i’m going 5-7 wins.. with the bad start, injuries and bullpen implosions.. I think it is a safe bet to say this team won’t repeat all those catastrophes.
by mattrpav on Aug 15, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
successes
And they likely won’t have all of the successes they did this year. The 2009 team will also be about a .500 team. IMHO.
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by RangerMad on Aug 15, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed...
….maybe 5-7 wins… but thats really all the difference i could see… unless we have a dramatic change and somehow our staff could stay healthy for a majority of a season(which doesn’t look to be too likely) then its gonna be a lot of the same, with some improvement from those guys giving us spot starts do to development…
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by ivysafety39 on Aug 15, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've been lucky this year
Our pythag W-L is 57-65, while our record is 61-61. You cannot expect us to be that lucky next year, so even if the team improves enough to win 5 more games, we will still likely be a .500 team.
by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 15, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clark, great post even with the hyperbole
Bigsteve argues who should they have thrown out there and he is right that we have what we have, I feel we have what we have but have lost perspective. Last year we threw out SP like Eyre and I believe he is still in the farm, Loe and Rupe plus added Nippert. Are these guys more important to the rebuilding process than the three H’s and Mendoza? No way IMO. Would they have performed any different? Nobody knows but the performance would not have hindered the development of the youth and rebuilding process. Richard Bach used the term “Perspective, use it or lose it.” My question is did management and some fans lose perspective on the rebuilding year because of the success the team had coming into the last 10 games??? Hindsight says yes, but then again it is always 20/20.
The good will and excitement this team had 2 weeks ago has turned sour. The sour smell is made worse by the hope for this team getting back on track only a short time ago. Siging Smaok is an imperative because he is the best player available and the team needs a good PR move now IMO. We will not get equal potential in the comp pick next year.
This team needs to refocus on their plan to rebuild for the future. Their performance this year has been better than expected and probably should have been considering the Pythag vs actual performances. Good job Wash and team, lets move on.
JD need to make some moves and given his track record he probably will. If they work or not only time will tell as his past moves have been both good and bad. Hicks needs to free up some money. Given his track record I think this is not as likely as JD doing his part. But it is HIS money and not mine. The kids need to focuss on consistantcy (Wash is right) in the minors. The vets need to focus on the health and be preparred for next season as they were for this ST. The offense needs to work on their defense and range and shut up about the pitching. Next year, ahhh, next year will be better.
by Bigfan16 on Aug 15, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EG
Do you think EG is just puppeting what the Rangers want him to say to give them a little more leverage with the negotiations?
by sftxfan on Aug 15, 2008 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Evan is dead on
Smoak is the one who has the most to lose right now. Granted he is a really good ball player and I would love to have him in our organization if we are making a fair and valid offer and he is trying to strong arm us for more then let him walk. Hes done nothing yet to have that much negotiating power. If he trusts himself enough and thinks he can go back to school or to some independant league team and put up good enough numbers to warrant another top 10 draft slot next year then fine. But all it takes for him to lose out on potentially millions of dollars is for him to have a slump or some freak injury and next thing you know hes a low 1st rounder at best.
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by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don't get it..
.. you skip a year and maybe get a little bit more money next year. If he skips a year, and gets his MLB contract is he ahead vs signing a MiLB contract and starting the clock this year?
by mattrpav on Aug 15, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
high first round picks (especially hitters) have little leverage if they go back for their senior year. He’s not getting the #1 pick next season (Strassburg is). And he has far less leverage to negotiate for above slot for any other pick. So going back he’d basically have to go in the top 3 or 4 next year to get even what the Rangers are offering now.
Going back to college makes more sense for a guy who fell a few rounds in the draft (Brett Hunter, Oakland)
by JBImaknee on Aug 15, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think...
..keith law made a good point… to make not accepting what offer we give him a good move, he’d have to go back to USC and have a BETTER year, and somehow get offered more money in a draft where he has even less leverage… plus if that didn’t work he’d be two years behind in his development, and two years farther away from his first big free agent contract… makes all kinds of more sense for him to sign now… and the rangers shouldn’t nickel and dime him… he was by far the best player on the board and he deserves to go above slot…
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by ivysafety39 on Aug 15, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EG not a puppet
I don’t think he’s just parroting here, but I do think he’s dead wrong about not feeling bad if Smoak doesn’t sign.
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by t ball on Aug 15, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he is wrong on his own here...
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by Chad Crudup on Aug 15, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had suspected that myself
It is awfully convenient timing for a last minute negotiation ploy. It doesn’t even have to be intentional – JD may have just casually floated a few of those points out to Grant, off-the-record, just to stir the waters. Stuff like “Well, since the draft Chris Davis has been very promising” and “there should be a lot of good pitching in next year’s draft”…
People always give TR a hard time for serving the team’s interests. I don’t see EG as any different.
by JBImaknee on Aug 15, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a difference
TR is an employee of the club.
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 15, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I think T.R. is an employee of mlb.com, which is owned by MLB.
That may be a distinction without a practical difference, though.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think mlb.com
tries to be relatively independent. It isn’t just puff propaganda. I think mlb.com has done an okay job at being objective. (Same with NFL.com for having a guy like Easterbrook on their site) Obviously TR isn’t going to be overly critical of MLB, and I imagine if the Rangers wanted him gone it could happen.
Either way, both of those guys’ jobs rely on being on good terms with the front office.
But for these very reasons, if I’m JD, and I want to send a subtle message to Smoak through the press, EG is ideal.
by JBImaknee on Aug 15, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
i read EG’s article earlier this morning, that is some weak logic.
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by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2008 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chris Davis
in no way makes Justin Smoak expendable.
I think a deal is going to get done today, but good grief. I’m disappointed Evan wrote something like that.
by jamcadbury on Aug 15, 2008 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
That’s the kind of logic that got Adrian Gonzalez “thrown in” to complete a trade.
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by Chad Crudup on Aug 15, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100000000
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Aug 15, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
You can always find a way to fit a good player in. There is always the DH as a last resort. It drove me insane when folks used that same logic on AGon, when it was obvious, to me anyway, that Tex was gone as soon as free agency hit.
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by DJCahill on Aug 15, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or more to the point with Gonzalez...
…you might not be able to squeeze him into the lineup but you can certainly get more for him than “throw-in” value. AG’s value wasn’t exactly sky-high when we had him but he was at least viewed as a superb defensive 1B who could hit righties with gap power and good plate discipline.
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by Chad Crudup on Aug 15, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why I wrote what I wrote this morning
Nobody in the Rangers organization floated those ideas out to me. Nobody responded when I floated them out to them before I wrote my little blog item. It was my thinking about one way this could possibly play out. I also think I said pretty high up in my post that I don’t endorse walking away from him. And I do understand the need to pay him significantly above slot.
But I was just trying to point out that I don’t think the world ends if Justin Smoak isn’t willing to take a well-above-slot bonus (we’re talking in excess of $500k above slot, maybe $1 million above slot). All I was trying to do was throw out another very possibly contrary point of view about how things could play out. And how they could play out without being Barry Zito all over again. I will say this: If the Rangers don’t get Smoak and do get quality pitching this winter and more quality pitching next June and start to actually get contributions from the pitchers in the minor league system, I think they will be OK.
I also understand the logic that Smoak in a year or two could be used like Matt LaPorta in a deal for pitching. All for that. Like I said, only trying to point out that there are other solutions IF this doesn’t work out.
by Evan Grant on Aug 15, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the rangers dont get smoak signed
Im gonna lose a ton of faith in this ownership group and front office top to bottom and any concept of developing from the youth up and i think a ton of the more dedicated fans would probably think the same. those become times when dedicated fans start asking if they are more dedicated to the team than the team is dedicated to winning.
if thats worth saving 1 million bucks…
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Aug 15, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Afterthough, Blalock
The DMN notes also say Blalock’s return has been pushed back yet again, earliest is now Aug. 22.
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by t ball on Aug 15, 2008 10:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Surprise Surprise
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
by TheBZA on Aug 15, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but what is weird
is that Wash has taken control of the decision concerning his rehab assignment…
by Goyogringo on Aug 15, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
surprise surprise
lmao who would have thought.
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by horsedooty on Aug 15, 2008 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
tonight
we got tickets to see Millwood pull his groin again, oh yippee!
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by horsedooty on Aug 15, 2008 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, us too.
yay free tickets for all-star voting though
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by lisa w on Aug 15, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wed.
I am going on Wednesday to see TBA pitch. Can he be any worse that what we saw in Boston?
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by RangerMad on Aug 15, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TBA is not too good
Nice fastball, no secondary stuff and he has trouble throwing strikes.
by uthornfan on Aug 15, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
has trouble throwing strikes
That sums up the whole pitching staff.
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by RangerMad on Aug 15, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hunter
His secondary stuff looks pretty serviceable. If he could keep that FB down he’d be pretty good. You could count on one hand the number of fastballs below the waist last night. Turrible location. Just turrible.
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 15, 2008 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Offseason pitching
One corollary I see from this disastrous stretch and the team’s ERA is that I imagine the management will feel more pressure to add some arms from outside the system in the offseason. I just can’t imagine them standing pat and taking the PR hit. I think they will sign a FA pitcher and make a deal for another starter. I don’t know if those things would be good ideas or not, but that is just my feeling.
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by pblack on Aug 15, 2008 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
FA pitching
There are only two FA pitchers this winter that are worth signing. One will be sought after by a number of teams and will be VERY expensive. (I think he goes to LA.) The other has a history of injuries. Imagine the PR hit they take if they sign him and he ends up on the DL.
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by RangerMad on Aug 15, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont really agree with "take the best player available"
We will have Davis there for many years and Smoak will just be blocked by him. We need to build around pitching and not focus on having a crazy offense. Its basically a guarantee that we’re gonna have a good offense because of Rudy so we have to stack up on pitching
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by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rangers in 2001
They had Hank Blalock, who was slated to be the team’s third baseman for years to come.
They had tons of offense and needed pitching.
They could pick a great offensive third baseman — Mark Teixeira — or the best pitching prospect on the board, Josh Karp.
Do you think they made a mistake for going with the best player available?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching Pitching Pitching, thats different they didnt have this type of great young core of offensive players
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by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know
If you can’t find a place on the field for both Davis and Smoak you could trade one of them for pitching.
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by t ball on Aug 15, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats just crazy talk tball.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Aug 15, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JD has no idea how to make trades
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by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
He got robbed last season when he traded Tex, Lofton, and Gagne. And that hack he brought in to play CF this season has been the laughingstock of the league. JD really ought to just shoot himself after that pathetic display.
by Athos on Aug 15, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do i really have to do this. danks, young, volquez, galarraga, tejeda.
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
watch him tear it up in kansas city
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Volquez?
Would you really want a do-over on that deal?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know
as you all have said on here. starting pitching is worth more than hitting. and volquez is 3 years younger than hammy
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by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You made the blanket statement that he ...
had “no idea how to make trades.” Obviously, he has made some excellent trades. He’s had some that didn’t turn out so well. If you’ll notice, the trades/roster decisions that resulted in poor returns all dealt with pitching coming back to Texas or young pitchers being dropped from the 40. I think that plays right in with the theory that our major league level pitching instructors and scouts are not very good at their jobs. BMac was a solid trade at the time, but as soon as Connor got ahold of him, he becomes ineffective and injury prone. Is that all coincidence? The pattern seems pretty clear to me.
by Athos on Aug 15, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
say what you want about the excellent trades
but the good trades arent even close to outweighing the bad ones
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In your eagerness to over-accentuate the negatives ...
and devalue the positives, I’m sure there’s no convincing you that JD hasn’t done a poor job of making trades. Nevertheless, anyone with even a small shred of objectivity would have to agree that JD’s trades at the deadline last season and his drafts have been very successful to this point.
by Athos on Aug 15, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes they were good but will they ever outweigh all of the aboslutely shitting trades he made? no
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by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure they can
if feliz ,andrus and beltre live up to anywhere near to their potential.
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by rentz on Aug 15, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
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by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats just dumb
Feliz, Andrus, and Beltre alone are better than Danks, AGon, and Young. Thats not mentioning getting Hamilton for Volquez, who by the way aint hot shit the last couple months. Add in Murphy and Max and within a couple years people will be wondering how JD ever made those mistakes because of his greatness
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
besides Feliz
i have to see it to believe it
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by Steal Home on Aug 16, 2008 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
live in your own closed little world then.
beltre,andrus and feliz all have all star potential and then some, if they come close to their ceilings then all 3 will be better then the players traded away.
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by rentz on Aug 16, 2008 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
k
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 16, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
They had ARod. They had Blalock coming up. They had Pena. They had Hafner. They had Pudge.
If the 2008 Rangers had to choose between drafting a Mark Teixeira or a Josh Karp, your position is they would need to draft Karp?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so how did they team do with no pitching?
who cares about more offense we need pitching, thats pretty obvious
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by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got you there, AJM
if only we had drafted Karp, it would all be better.
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by DJCahill on Aug 15, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we got pitching we would be good, its simple.
when you are one of the best hitting teams every year, YOU DONT GET A HITTING IN THE FIRST ROUND
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless it would be a reach to take any of the pitcher's available.
BPA unless a need player is pretty close.
by philkid3 on Aug 15, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BPA?
not only did he draft a hitter but he might not even sign him
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by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't know what BPA stands for, do you?
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 15, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
thats what “BPA?” indicates
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by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hitter* happy?
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by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That philosophy
would lead to a lack of good position player prospects pretty quickly.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 15, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sooooooooo build around pitching. we'll always have hitting
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody needs to put that on a t-shirt.
YOU DONT GET A HITTING IN THE FIRST ROUND
by LiamP on Aug 15, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 12:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The new Pop-Up
From today’s hot sheet
No. 9 DEREK HOLLAND, LHP
RANGERS
Team: Double-A Frisco (Texas)
Age: 21
Why he’s here: 1-0, 0.00, 4 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 10 SO
The Scoop: It’s easy to love pop-up prospects—guys who come from off the radar to become legitimate talents. It’s hard to find a better example of a 2008 pop-up prospect than Holland, a 2006 draft-and-follow who signed in ‘07 for $200,000. He was a nice lefty coming into the year, with a 90-92 mph fastball but little feel for secondary stuff. His secondary pitches have sharpened some, as he now has an average slider and changeup, but he’s gained strength and velocity this year, which has turned his once solid fastball into a plus pitch. He now pitches at 91-97 with late life, which is why he’s been able to make the jump from low Class A Clinton to Double-A in his first full pro season.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Aug 15, 2008 1:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: Quirk I came across this morning.
Max Ramirez is second among AL catchers in Win Probability Added with 0.56 (Joe Mauer leads with 3.21).
Taylor Teagarden is fifth with 0.10 added.
Heh.
by philkid3 on Aug 15, 2008 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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