Poochy vs MJH
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For a while there Poochy seemed to have been de-clawed, or let go. I thought hoped that his 'vacation' was going to be his send off. I don't really see what he brings to any of the DMN sports coverage. He's doesn't have that fun loving devil's advocate approach, he's posts are annoying and half baked. I imagine most of the other DMN writers are really annoyed by him.
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Very good points by Mike.
by Adam J. Morris on
Aug 15, 2008 1:14 PM CDT
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This is hardly a fight
It’s the equivalent of Mike Tyson circa 1987 vs a quadriplegic homeless man.
by LiamP on
Aug 15, 2008 1:22 PM CDT
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Don't underestimate the Quad man
He delivers a mean body punch
by Telegraph on
Aug 15, 2008 1:25 PM CDT
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Hurley....
was he legitimately throwing consistent 95 MPH heat in AAA this year and throughout the minors? I can’t remember him even touching 94 in the majors.
by erikj07 on
Aug 15, 2008 1:24 PM CDT
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Wow, great minds and all.
Mike just laid out what I’ve been arguing for several days now. Our pitching coaches/scouts at the upper levels are killing us.
I confess I was amongst the crowd that found Mike’s minor-league recaps a bit hard to stomach on occasion, but this blog entry was pure gold. Poochie really needs to stop thinking about baseball, let alone writing about it. Nicely done, Mike.
by Athos on
Aug 15, 2008 1:29 PM CDT
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What is Tim's specialty
I haven’t really found a subject yet on which I enjoy reading his “insight”.
And, for what its worth, I was in the crowd that found Mike’s minor league recaps to be the best thing sent out over the whole newberg listserv. it wasn’t until he got caught up in the horse racing, broken leg stuff that i stopped reading his content. Lucas seems to be a nice guy and I enjoy his insights on here when he posts them, but by the time he sends out his recaps, it is usually around mid-day and i have already looked it up myself.
by clark on
Aug 15, 2008 1:40 PM CDT
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His specialty is apparently making an ass out of himself.
For all of his lack of sports knowledge, he does an exceptional job of that. Best on the staff, I’d say.
by Athos on
Aug 15, 2008 1:48 PM CDT
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His specialty
is sparking conversation, good or bad.
And he does that quite well.
www.mavsmoneyball.com
by Wes Cox on
Aug 15, 2008 3:06 PM CDT
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I think
the Volquez thing in Cincinnati was my last straw with Connor.
What's the secret to a long life? "I masturbate a lot"-Ernest Borgnine. http://www.bestweekever.tv/2008/08/14/icymi-ernest-borgnine-reveals-his-secret-for-everlasting-youth/#onepage
by DJCahill on
Aug 15, 2008 1:29 PM CDT
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Isn't it amazing ...
how Volquez sucked up here under Connor, then he goes back to the low minors and becomes dominant after getting his mechanics back in order. When he was finally called back up and was re-subjected to Connor he was okay, but not great. Now he’s away from Connor and the dominance comes back.
The track record under Connor of prospects coming up and flaming out or getting hurt, and of vets coming in and deteriorating, can’t all be coincidence. I really hope he hasn’t ruined Hurley.
by Athos on
Aug 15, 2008 1:46 PM CDT
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Volquez hinted
at this much in an interview earlier this year if I remember. He didn’t exactly call out Mark Connor but he did say that he felt like he could be himself with the Reds whereas with the Rangers he felt like they were trying to make him conform to something he wasn’t.
"We live, we die, and the wheels on the bus go round and round." - Tony Romo
by kentbenfer on
Aug 15, 2008 1:50 PM CDT
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Yep, I remember that quote too.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on
Aug 15, 2008 3:31 PM CDT
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lol
mr. mjh with the complete pwnage of a noobie.
Tony Romo's #1 fan!
by Longhorn on
Aug 15, 2008 1:42 PM CDT
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So..
.. if the pitching declines are attributed to Conner, does he also get stuck with injuries? How much of the injury issue lands on the head trainer?
by mattrpav on
Aug 15, 2008 1:45 PM CDT
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Well, if the injuries are due to mechanics being taught by Connor ...
I think that’s all on Connor. As I said above, all of the injuries to previously healthy guys cannot simply be a big coincidence.
by Athos on
Aug 15, 2008 1:47 PM CDT
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Maybe it's the snack pack
we get from Victor Conte…
by tyd3311 on
Aug 15, 2008 1:50 PM CDT
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He tells a story. Last spring, a Dallas reporter spotted a tub of SNAC protein powder (perfectly legal, and perfectly harmless) in the locker of Texas Rangers pitcher Scott Feldman, who hails from Burlingame. Team management went wobbly. The club’s nutrition consultant accused Feldman of making a “mistake in judgment.” Feldman denied ever ingesting the stuff, publicly and vigorously, the way a candidate for district attorney might deny having a hard drive full of adult-men-in-diapers JPGs. “If something came from me,” Conte says, “people think maybe it’s laced.”
People still call the office, he says, a few times a week, asking to buy THG. And SNAC shipped 16 tubs of protein powder to the Rangers’ spring training and ballpark addresses — more than King Tantalus could scarf on his own. “Sixteen tubs!” Conte exclaims, slapping the table. Damned if Jones didn’t run fast, if Bonds didn’t hit the ball a country mile, if Conte’s mystery potions didn’t have a little magic in ‘em. Damned if Paris Hilton’s sex tape didn’t make her a bigger star. “Maybe they’re hoping there’s something in there!”
by tyd3311 on
Aug 15, 2008 3:14 PM CDT
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Yep. And frankly, it seems like the major league level is a little late to be changing a guy's mechanics
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on
Aug 15, 2008 2:45 PM CDT
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exactly
that sort of thing should be done in the minors, dont bring up a guy then tinker with him. or take a guy who’s had success with one type of motion then completely overhaul him.
but then again none of us were in the clubhouse or bullpen so we don’t exactly know what went down, just seems to point that way
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Aug 15, 2008 10:11 PM CDT
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There are simply
too many writers posting over at the DMN blog. If they limited it to Grant, MJH, Durrett, and subs when one of those guys is not around it would be fine.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on
Aug 15, 2008 1:52 PM CDT
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that Tim is one outragious dude!
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on
Aug 15, 2008 1:57 PM CDT
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He's the kung-fu hippy from gangster city.
He’s a rapping surfer, you’re the fool he pitties.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on
Aug 16, 2008 1:20 AM CDT
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I was also confused by Newberg's reaction to Connor being fired
…he basically gave the news and said “Wow.” at the end. I sent him an e-mail asking him what surprised him so much – was it the timing? Was it that Connor had been fired at all? Was it something else? Never heard back.
You can’t have the worst staff for two years in a row and keep your job. On top of the guy’s staff being god effing awful, there were disturbingly frequent and mysterious injuries to people as soon as he got ahold of them in the majors. The only good things people had to say about him is that they liked his character. Talent was overlooked or ignored altogether in favor of Jason Jennings. Talent was unable to be harnessed in Volquez. All these factors were just itching for a firin’ and I can’t understand anyone who didn’t want him gone, or at least see it coming.
by FuturePants on
Aug 15, 2008 2:33 PM CDT
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The timing.
Sorry I didn’t write back. Got about 120 replies in the two hours that followed that email.
by Jamey Newberg on
Aug 15, 2008 2:47 PM CDT
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The timing was confusing to me as well.
As I’ve never been a huge fan of mid-season firings. But, with the front office trumpeting some kind of push for the wild card at the time, I can’t say I was surprised…just a little confused.
by FuturePants on
Aug 15, 2008 3:31 PM CDT
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Connor credit? Blame? Team philosophy?
So does Connor get credit for: Frankie, Rupe, Wilson, Millwood’s first yr, Padilla’s 1st/3rd yr, Wright’s conversion, Last yr’s mendoza/Galarraga, this years galarraga, Guardado, Last year’s Eyre, Rheinecker’s conversion, Feldman’s conversion, Volquez’ s success, benoit’s success, Littleton’s success, Loes’ success, Dank’s success
And do we blame him for Jenning’s injury, Menodoza’s injury, Millwood’s inj. problems, McCarthy’s injuries, Volquez’s failure, Benoit’s injuries, Harrison/Hurley/Hunter suckiness and Harrison/hurley/hunter injuries, Loe’s failure, Littleton’s failure, Dank’s success
I don’t believe that anyone can convincingly prove that their is a one to one correspondence between success/failure/injury and a single individual. It is simplistic to say the least. I think some blame can be handed out to the Team’s pitching philosophy but do you genuinely believe that all of the minor lg pitching coaches teach any differently? As an organization, each winter, a plan is gone over on what the team phil is for hitting and pitching and that is what pitching coaches use as their guideline I imagine.
I don’t really hear people call for Jaramillo’s head when a hitter tanks for whole season, and that happens quite a lot. But you forever hear praise for him when a guy is successful. However, the players seem to like him and don’t hesitate to accept the blame when they suck. So it seems with Connor – the players seemed to like him and praise him and I haven’t heard anyone throw him under the bus.
I think volquez sucked in part because he was right on the fringe of becoming the next Juan Dominguez but I guess people forget about that… The coach is always fired because the team can’t be but that doesn’t mean that the many individuals have some role in their suckiness, but first and foremost, the players bear most of the blame. And I think they acknowledge that. You never really hear anyone say, I sucked this year because of Jaramillo or Conner…
Just my 2 cents as I am getting tired of all the simplistic staff-bashing that has become wholly reductive; a player’s success or failure is rather more complicated with the Player bearing most of the responsibility.
by Goyogringo on
Aug 15, 2008 3:17 PM CDT
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Credit for what exactly?
So does Connor get credit for: Frankie, Rupe, Wilson, Millwood’s first yr, Padilla’s 1st/3rd yr, Wright’s conversion, Last yr’s mendoza/Galarraga, this years galarraga, Guardado, Last year’s Eyre, Rheinecker’s conversion, Feldman’s conversion, Volquez’ s success, benoit’s success, Littleton’s success, Loes’ success, Dank’s success
Frankie has been up and down. Rupe is another guy that could have been a starter; then he gets to the majors and gets hurt and relegated to the pen; Wilson was very good and then horrible and hurt; Millwood’s first year was average at best; Padilla’s 1st/3rd year are average at best (are you seriously claiming a 4.85 ERA is a success?). Wright’s conversion? Into what—a guy that is inconsistent? Mendoza comes up and is decent to begin, then turns to crap and gets hurt. Galaraga is simply dropped (and I’m with Hindman, I seriously doubt Connor had nothing to do with that). Eyre? Really? An 87 ERA+ is a success? Rheinecker’s conversion into a chronically injured ex-prospect? Feldman’s conversion into an overworked starter that has come crashing back to earth? Volquez’s success—with everyone but Connor? Benoit’s success—at being inconsistent and hurt? Littleton’s success? Again, at being hurt and or in the minors? Loe’s success? Have you seen his numbers lately? Last year he had a whopping ERA+ of 84. Dank’s success? Danks was never subjected to Connor on a daily basis, so if you mean the lack of contact contributing to Danks’ success, you probably have a point.
I’m really having a hard time finding anything successful about Connor’s tenure with this team.
by Athos on
Aug 15, 2008 3:45 PM CDT
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Wasn't Milwood's First Year...
…under Hersheiser anyways?
by FuturePants on
Aug 15, 2008 4:13 PM CDT
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It was Buck's last season.
I’m pretty sure Connor was on board by that time.
by Athos on
Aug 15, 2008 4:52 PM CDT
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Yes, he was bullpen coach
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on
Aug 15, 2008 5:23 PM CDT
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Connor officially
became the pitching coach before millwood signed but yes he was the bullpen coach for 3 years prior…
by Goyogringo on
Aug 15, 2008 6:11 PM CDT
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Haha
Thanks for saving me the typing.
by slimshadty12 on
Aug 15, 2008 5:42 PM CDT
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Wrong on most counts
The two counterpoints of success and failure were there for a reason; to ignore their interplay is simply to prove my point as your spew forth your reductive claims and attribute blame to a single person. My point was that the attempt, by the likes of you, to map out some type of reductive correspondence between success and failure has little traction when both success and failure occurred with the same coaching staff. If you were a player, no one would respect you because you would never accept fault for sucking, instead blaiming everyone else.
Take a little time to look up your facts and complicate your reductive “Connor turns everything to crap” theory for all ranger pitchers:
1. Rupe missed 04 due to inury and has been injury prone every year since then and has been handled with kid gloves by the staff; he was injured in the minors and now is healthy in the majors due to how he has been handled by the ORG. Don’t forget Rupe’s horrendous campaign as a starter for AAA to bolster your claim that rupe is a starter. Rupe is a reliever due to his health and because he sucked as a starter.
2. By all accounts, save yours, Millwood had a very good year his first year here, pitching 215 IP with a respectable 4.50 era in this park. His injury problems are in his legs not his arm. He has had both good and bad years under Connor.
3. Padilla also had a very good first season with us 200ip /4.50era and this year he has had some dominating performances and has legit top rotation stuff when he is on, unlike Millwood. Again good and bad years under connor.
4. Wilson was converted from a shitty AA starter to a successful relief pitcher in the bigs having an excellent 06 and 07. His injury history preceded this yr having TJ surgery in 04. He has had good/bad years under connor.
5. Wright has successfully made the conversion to a reliable MR after sucking as a starter for his whole career. He made that shift the the rangers and not with some other club. He has been largely good as a reliever, having a bad second half.
6. Your intuiton about Connor’s blame for the loss of Raga is based on zero evidence. The fact remains that it is not an individual but an organization – comprised of many competent people from owner to minors coaches – makes a decision on roster moves and unless you have the transcript of the meetings in which Connor states that Raga sucks, then you are spouting nothing but nonsense. How do you know that the ranger’s AAA/AA pitching coaches didn’t prefer Mendoza or Tejeda over Raga with Connor supporting Raga? How do you know that Connor was in the minority of a 5-4 vote that elected to let him go? You don’t.
As for Galarraga the player, his success started last year with the rangers and not with detroit but it was largely success in AA and he only made 3 appearance for the big club. His best success occurred with the rangers after they stuck by him after absolutely sucking in the minors in 06 when he was injured most of the year. Remember that Raga only had 4 starts above AAA in his career and all of them were last year. Are you willing to give the Ranger’s organization credit for rehabilitating his career?
7. Mendoza also absolutely sucked in the minors in 06 and the rangers stuck by him and he made a successful ML debut in limited outings last year. However, he only made six appearances so how can you call him a success story or a failure ; like Raga, he was in AA last year so there is no real track record above that level. His injury problems date back to 06 in the minors and did not begin in Texas.
8. Eyre saved this club’s ass last year when everyone was injured. His era elevated in the appearances before his injury. There was a reason the rangers named him pitcher of the year of something at their awards banquet and kept him on the roster this season.
9. Rheinecker made a successful conversion from SP to lefty specialist and did well in that role. The rangers were counting on him in that capacity this season and have suffered without him.
10. Feldman the conversion into an innings eating starter occurred with the rangers and any idiot can see him as a great success story – the emergence of a #3 starter from a career reliever completlely out of nowhere.
11. Loe and Littleton had success as relievers when they started in the bigs; now they suck. Loe had success in 05 but was converted to a starter in 06/07 and sucked. You could blame Connor for this shift but Loe in fact demanded the opportunity to compete for a rotation spot. Do you blame connor for Loe’s abject failure or the entire org for forcing a releiver (who sucked as a starter in the minors) to start on a club that didn’t have enough legit starters? Littleton was outstanding in 06 average in 07 and sucks now, again success and failure under the same staff.
12. Volquez was penciled into the rotation this year based on the success he had last year after his demotion to the low minors. That is succes with Connor. Your decision to overlook the fact that Volquez was a childish idiot is your own oversight. Again, people like you like to blame the coach but not the player. Do you think the talented Juan Dominguez failed due to a pitching coach or because he was an loser? Volquez succeeded because he finally grew up and listened to what people were saying to him. His success last year (under connor) netted Hamilton. Your analysis is just stupid, blaming Connor for Volquez being a manchild; then faulting Connor when he finally has success last year and this year.
13. Benoit was converted from a shitty starter into an a full time reliever under Connor. he was an absolutely dominant set up guy last year a had two excellent yeas prior to that among the lead leaders in IP for a reliever.
14. As for Danks, he did not have a good year last year and he was shut down with an injury to end his season. Do you blame shitty Chisox pitching coaches for that? Did some meddling coaches twink his delivery to cause his premature breakdown? Should they be blamed for his first significant injury? So he added a cutter this year- why didnt their staff recommend that he add it last year? Who is to say that the rangers would not have done the same thing having had him on the staff for a whole year to evaluate him. You can’t make any definitive claims about what he might or might not have been here or how the rangers would have handled him or if Connor’s staff would have handled him differently than the AA/AAA coaching staff. There is simply no evidence to support that claim.
by Goyogringo on
Aug 15, 2008 6:07 PM CDT
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Wow. Talk about rose colored glasses ....
by Athos on
Aug 15, 2008 11:58 PM CDT
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sorry man
just settin’ ya straight…
by Goyogringo on
Aug 16, 2008 12:16 AM CDT
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Goyoringo
What about BMac and Conner changing his mechanics?
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on
Aug 16, 2008 3:49 PM CDT
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That could very well be the case
I was just trying to complicate the simplistic schemes people seem to subscribe to to blame 1 guy for all the rangers pitching woes. Blaming Connor for all the injuries, flameouts, DFE moves, acquisitions, and player failures (but not the successes) is just too much to stomach. I’m totally cool with the cahnge of pitching coaches (though it came at a puzzling time, maybe the offseason wouldve’ been better, as it did upset many of the pitchers). I would be willing to blame Connor for messing up a few guys’ mechanics, including McCarthy. However it seems to me that the player must take a large degree of responsibility for his success or failure. For example, why couldn’t McCarthy simply say I don’t want to change my arm angle, or this arm angle doesnt work for me so I’m sticking to what got me here?
In the larger frame, the entire team philosophy , majors thru minors, rather than one mans mania, impacts on player development, and must be taken into account. Say for example, a young guy like Rupe or Loe being rushed through the system to fill holes as starters due to the incompetance of the organization, when maybe, due to their own makeup, they only profile as relievers Rupe has recovered and Loe has not. It seems to me that the players makeup intersects with team phi. in different nonreductive ways. Rupe is an injury-prone success story, going from shitty starter, coddled thru injuries, to a big league reliever, while Loe has gone from shitty starter to excellent long guy, back to shitty starter (both at his request and due to the needs of a bad team). How can you blame or praise one guy for their trajectories? You can’t. It is too complicated to reduce their careers to one man’s machinations; its just stupid and insulting to each.
Tthe main factors that many seem to leave out is that the rangers’ pitching staff has sucked for many years because of overall team philosphy throughout the org, an emphasis on offense rather than pitching and defense, a win sooner rather than later policy, signing whatever pitchers who are willing to play here (eg bad signings, bad eval), an overburdened bullpen (which leads to injuries), rushing young players (which can lead to injuries or years-long suckage), trading young players (to win now). This isn’t really Connors fault. And blaming Connor for bad roster moves overlooks the fact that a group makes those decisions and that group can disagree and who knows what side each person comes down on.
Anyways, I think the rangers have turned things around for the long-term in terms of their reorganization of the minors, player scouting, rebuiling via prospects rather than thru FA, pither development, and forestalling winning now for becoming a future dyanamo. But we do see the perils of the previously short-sighted philosophy impacting on the young pitchers who are now getting slammed. I think this imbroglio of pitching implosion is the last throes of the old team philosophy working its way out of the rangers’ future. Or as a man (or woman) once said, “Talk about rose-colored (sic) glasses!”
by Goyogringo on
Aug 16, 2008 4:21 PM CDT
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