Gerald laird plus a solid prospect for Chris Volstad?
by NYTXFAN on Aug 15, 2008 5:11 PM CDT
70 comments
Did any one see this? Reeves wrote it and Im sure it's been posted and talked about.
There’s also no question that Daniels will try to add a young starter from outside the organization with a trade, probably from the Rangers’ abundant depth at catcher. They were highly interested in Florida’s Chris Volstad at the trade deadline and were willing to deal Gerald Laird and a solid prospect. They’ll look for similar opportunities this winter.
He is young, fits JD's mold. It's a shame it didn't happen. He seems to have a bright future in baseball, but of course not with us. When does a pitcher besides Nolan have a good future with us. Anybody?
0 recs |
70 comments
Email
Print
Comments
marlins
wouldnt do that unless the solid prospect is more than solid
by kumizi on Aug 15, 2008 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Even Nolan didn't have a good future with us
He was pretty old when he got to Texas. I don’t think they signed him for his future…
by JBImaknee on Aug 15, 2008 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Would anyone do this:
Assuming Laird stays; Salty, Hurley, Holland for Grienke?
Tony Romo's #1 fan!
by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2008 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
when are you gonna get of the greinke train?
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
by ivysafety39 on Aug 15, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell no
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 15, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be the Chris Young trade all over again
Giving up like 15 years combined of young stud prospects for 2 or so years of a pitcher who is solid yet not an ace.
by slimshadty12 on Aug 15, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
That’s nothing like the Chris Young trade.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 15, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 or so years of Chris Young, 6 years of Agon
for 1 year of Eaton and 4 of Otsuka….not that years are all that matter but unless we significantly won the talent, it wasn’t worth it. Wasn’t really comparing anyone to Greinke just saying you’re giving up a crapload of years from some potential studs.
by slimshadty12 on Aug 15, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
"Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle." - Nolan Ryan
by hurlerhurley on Aug 16, 2008 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a chance
Greinke=overrated. He’s league average if he pitches half his games here.
Pretty clearly the first time he has ever looked at a web site. "And there are readers' comments at the bottom! And advertisements for products! And best of all, I won a free iPod!"
-Ken Tremendous on Mike Downey.
by BudLight on Aug 15, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he's not
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 15, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a chance
that is a true statement
If there were no rewards to reap,
no loving embrace to see me through this tedious path I've chosen here,
I certainly would've walked away by now... Be patient
by trident on Aug 16, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, did he mean
that there is not a chance that BudLight’s post is a true statement?
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 16, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i meant
not a chance grienke is instantly relegated to “league average” status if he gets traded to us.
there is a chance he spends significant time on the DL if he gets traded to us though.
If there were no rewards to reap,
no loving embrace to see me through this tedious path I've chosen here,
I certainly would've walked away by now... Be patient
by trident on Aug 16, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he costs that much
Greinke is good, but he will be in his 2nd arbitration year, and he has question marks in his past. I think people are overestimating what he’ll cost.
Kansas City needs major league ready talent – most everyone in their lineup can be upgraded (save Alex Gordon, obviously)
How about this:
Salty (fixes their catching situation), Byrd (a solid bat and OFer for them, which they could use), Matt Harrison (replaces Greinke in rotation), and one or two very good, but not great prospects (e.g., Vallejo)
by JBImaknee on Aug 15, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not enough
I think Royals looks for quality over quantity at this point
by Telegraph on Aug 15, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no trading any pitchers
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
That’s dumb.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 16, 2008 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trading pitchers isnt one of JD's strengths
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 16, 2008 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the truth hurts, doesn't it
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 16, 2008 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How's being an idiot working out for you?
Cause it’s annoying the hell out of me.
You’re quickly becoming the biggest dick punch on the board.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 16, 2008 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so true
“dont trade any pitchers”
so if we get offered tommy hunter for hanley ramirez, dont od it because trading pitchers isnt one of jd’s strengths?
thats just fucking dumb as fucking shit.
…but then its expected from you mr. galloway.
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Aug 16, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quit smoking crack.
Aikman and Bradshaw?
Please. They are in the same league as Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahon as QBs who were taken to the SB by great Defenses and great Running Games.
-DJCahill
by SarasotaRanger on Aug 15, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what the hell is wrong with you
it’s a hypothetical, quit being jackassery.
Tony Romo's #1 fan!
by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Write something worth a shit
and maybe I’ll “quit being jackassery”.
Aikman and Bradshaw?
Please. They are in the same league as Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahon as QBs who were taken to the SB by great Defenses and great Running Games.
-DJCahill
by SarasotaRanger on Aug 16, 2008 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
settle down bitch
we all dont all do crack
"Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle." - Nolan Ryan
by hurlerhurley on Aug 16, 2008 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you sure about that?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 16, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
K
just curious. Because, i think there were people who were okay with Jamey’s proposal of Hurley, Salty, JMJ, and Madrigal for Greinke. Just seeing if Holland all of a sudden would make that big of a difference. My guess, that 3 for 1 would have been okay with a lot of people at the start of the season.
Tony Romo's #1 fan!
by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't do Hurley, Salty, JMJ and Madrigal either.
I’m firmly in the camp that believes that Greinke is massively overrated by some on here.
by LiamP on Aug 15, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're kidding right?
Maybe if you subtracted one of Hurley or Holland I could handle that, but Salty and both Hurley and Dutch for Greinke is outrageous IMO.
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
by lonestarJon on Aug 15, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 pitchers for one?
Your crazy longhorn. Even though Greinke has a bright future you cant trade two guys who also COULD have just as bright futures.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Aug 15, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good catch buddy!
I like you, you’re a keeper.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Aug 15, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Holland
Anyone that watched Holland’s Double – AA debut would tell you that Holland should be pretty much untouchable. I would not trade him in any deal. Yes, he needs to work on his secondary stuff, but that was a dominant game against a team that hit Feliz pretty well last night!!!
In short Holland should stay in Ranger blue.
by peachygbc_1 on Aug 15, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in any deal
again foolish reasoning
lincecum for salty/holland/andrus – your NOT trading for lincecum because of not wanting o trade holland?
granted it would take more than that to get lincecum (clearly) but the point is the same
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Aug 16, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
hell no.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Aug 15, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope...
But I would do Salty, Harrison and JMJ for Grienke. Not sure the Royals would though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 15, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Naw
I’m a fan of the Grink, who is horribly underrated by some of the haters on this board, but that’s too much even for a real solid genuine good young #2 starter. As much as I’d love to have a guy who can come here and give us a buttload of innings with an ERA in 3.5-4.0 range, giving up Hurley and Holland is too rich for my blood.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 15, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
would you have done that deal before this season?
Tony Romo's #1 fan!
by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, probably
Cause I didn’t really know who Derek Holland was. His breakout into a potential top-50 overall prospect makes that deal unpalatable to me.
Hurley and Salty and some unknown (to me), albeit talented, Spokane arm for Grink?
You betcha.
It’s tough to deal a guy as talented as Salty and a guy who could be a very nice LAIE (with the upside to be more), but Grink is the exact type of pitcher we need here. A young above average pitcher with a good track record of health with a great fastball who can strike people out when he needs to. If we’re gonna trade our young chips for a pitcher Grink is the type of guy I hope we target. He’s not an ace, but he’s very good and we need good pitchers.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 16, 2008 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
that was kinda my point when i put up this hypothetical. We never know about some players. A trade that seems like a slamdunk before the season is quite the opposite due to one player 4-5 months later.
By me putting that hypothetical up, I was just curious to see how people thought of Holland over that 4-5 month period. Looks unanimous, and it should be that way…
You’re right thought about Greinke, he’s pretty good and I hope JD targets him this offseason.
Tony Romo's #1 fan!
by Longhorn on Aug 16, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LAIE?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Aug 16, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, I enjoyed that also
League-Average Innings Eater, ftw?
*Files away. *
"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants
by Chase Irwin on Aug 16, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh
I feel so enlightened now….
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Aug 16, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ftw?
Fort Worth? Fare Thee Well?
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 16, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for the win
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 16, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
<<< blush >>>
I always thought it meant fuck the world…
;)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Aug 16, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's comprimise
and go with fuck thee well.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 16, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okey dokey
I’m easy.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Aug 16, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you kidding?
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this was discussed...
not sure what kinda prospect it woulda taken… volstad has pretty good peripherals, 6 k/9 and a 2.16 gb:fb ratio…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
by ivysafety39 on Aug 15, 2008 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably Laird and Holland
Or Laird and Hurley.
Pretty clearly the first time he has ever looked at a web site. "And there are readers' comments at the bottom! And advertisements for products! And best of all, I won a free iPod!"
-Ken Tremendous on Mike Downey.
by BudLight on Aug 15, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holland should be getting closer and closer to the
untouchable list. I’d give up Hurley before Holland.
Nippert=Cy Young
by RA Dickey on Aug 15, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would prefer to keep both but the BPiA is a more lefty friendly park so Holland has more value
by CRUSHDAVIS on Aug 15, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm sounds familiar:
Why do we assume that JD asked one for one?
Maybe Laird doesn’t get us Volstad but who says he didn’t try to sweeten the pot?
by slimshadty12 on Aug 10, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
;)
by slimshadty12 on Aug 15, 2008 5:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i'd do it in a heartbeat
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 15, 2008 10:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
steal home
I think that should be Hurley, Feliz…
"Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle." - Nolan Ryan
by hurlerhurley on Aug 16, 2008 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im a big hurley fan but im a bigger Feliz fan, sorry
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 16, 2008 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if hurley is our #2
unless something changes, we will never compete with the angels.
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Aug 16, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hurley is better than most people think
i’m gonna take away the start that he was hurt. his ERA is 3.57 and 3 of the 4 teams he faced are good hitting teams. i had to pitch in those starts without his low to mid 90s fastball and he still got people out, once he comes back fully healthy and gets his fastball back he will be really good
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 16, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he had to pitch in those starts*
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 16, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, so let's say instead
if Hurley is our #2 it means one of two things: He got a lot better and mature quickly, or the rotation sucks.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 16, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#2?
You mean, like our own alpaca farming expert?
"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants
by Chase Irwin on Aug 16, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it could be both
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 16, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is what i said
unless something changes,
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Aug 16, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so your willing to take
how many major league starts over minor league starts for the past fairly long while, a drop in stuff from 2006 and whatever else can be brought up
…all because of a few good starts
got a phrase for you: SMALL SAMPLE SIZE
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Aug 16, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
- D12: Whee! The Y! fantasy baseball operation is armed and ready
- Create-a-Caption: Albert wants to become one with the gun
- Be like Lincecum: Little Leaguer copies Timmy's windup
- Stewards Debate! Does Bud Selig deserve a Miller Park statue?
- Ask Alex: Will Ben Zobrist replicate his outstanding '09 season?
Certain photos copyright © 2010 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
