Smoak deal close?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2008 9:31 PM CDT
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A deal with Justin Smoak is supposedly close, coming in at $3 million with a major league deal...
UPDATE -- Jim Callis says Alonso has signed with the Reds, which should, one would think, pave the way for a Smoak deal to get done.
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I don't see the point in limiting your options...
with a major league deal. I figure you come to a reasonable dollar amount that the major league deal is worth to him, and then pay him that.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
major league deal
Again a ML deal is not that inhibiting to us right now. With Borbon looking like he will be ready for at least an injury replacement callup by midseason next year we are fine with our 40 man roster. We were actually in worse position this past spring with Madrigal taking up a spot than we will be this next spring with Smoak taking up a spot.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now
What this may do right away is keep us from seeing JMJ this September
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ehh
we have 3 more years to evaluate and see him so im not real worried.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just looking foward to seeing him...
Im very intrigued by him, and can’t wait to get a look at what he has.
by tyd3311 on Aug 15, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
tying up a 40 man spot unnecessarily is just a bad idea. Plus, if this becomes a trend, you’ll have a bunch of people making it a condition.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we are in the position...
…to sign 40 Justin Smoaks I think that is a good thing. You don’t give these out to anybody but Smoak has the talent to warrant one.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Julio Borbon...
is no Justin Smoak, and he got one.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Julio Borbon
Is batting over .300 in Double-A his first pro season……………………………….
……………………………………………….
by tyd3311 on Aug 15, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But no one...
was saying at the time that he was or is a Smoak-level talent. And he’s tying up a 40 man spot. Who did we lose this spring because we needed a 40-man spot?
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Madrigal was tying up a 40 spot also
and he had only been a pitcher for 1 season in A ball.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Madrigal wasn't given a Major League deal...
which is what we’re talking about right now.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No we are talking about a spot on the 40 man roster
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think a discussion of major league deals...
warrants bringing up Madrigal, more power to you.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Major League deal means a spot on the 40 man roster. Thats all it means. Im bringing up Madrigal because people want to blame us tying up a 40 man spot with Borbon last year. Madrigal was given one and had done nothing and looked to be a year or two away. It is very relevant. But you obviously don’t understand how baseball works so thats why you don’t understand. Do you want me to draw you a picture or something.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but....
if we hadn’t given Borbon that deal then Madigral wouldn’t have mattered now would he?
by bdavison94 on Aug 15, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you can say that about just about anybody else on the roster.
Had we not protected Max Ramirez last winter we wouldn’t have had that problem either.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very true.....
but giving a ML deal to a draftee that you have a lot of leverage over makes you at some point make a decision about #40 that has to become #41. #41 in their opinion was Galarraga. Might still have been released for someone else….but might not.
by bdavison94 on Aug 15, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did we have alot of leverage?
Borbon was a mid first round talent who slid due to signability plus an injury his junior year. I could easily see him going back to college to get back to the mid-top of the first round this year. Plus at the time, before all the deadline deals, we didn’t have any OF prospects in our system.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
leverage.....
the drafting team is the only team that player can sign with at the time and if he doesn’t he has to go back into the draft after a season where he possibly plays worse, gets hurt (again in Borbon’s case), or is taken by a team that doesn’t pay above slot the next season (astros?). Anyone of the three could limit the one chance at guaranteed money for a player. That is why the team has leverage.
by bdavison94 on Aug 15, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
I think we had some leverage but not alot. And I think Borbons skill set and our system at the time played a big role in us giving in to his demands
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blame Jason Jennings,
not Julio Borbon…
in the end you will be glad we have Julio Borbon rather than Armando.
by tyd3311 on Aug 15, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And some people had us taking Borbon
with our 1st pick in the 1st round…..
He was a big time talent, and injuries probably prevented him from being taken quite a bit higher.
by tyd3311 on Aug 15, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
each case is different
Borbon was considered a mid first round talent who was from a major university and seen as a guy who could rise quickly through the minors. He slid to the supplemental and with, at the time, our dearth of OF prospects we caved in. Hes proven it to be a smart decision this year.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
Gallaraga is gone because we needed a spot on the 40. To me it’s a stupid move. Pay cash.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We didn't lose Galarraga because of Borbon
We may have well lost him because of Madrigal. That guy had pitched for one year in A ball and was taking up a spot on the 40 as well. Nobody, and I mean nobody, thought he would be in the bigs this year.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Borbon have a spot on the 40?
Would he have had a spot on the 40 w/o the Major League deal?
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
so by that idiotic logic we lost Galarraga because of Josh Hamilton. I fail to see your point
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
Josh Hamilton is playing on the big team. Borbon is not.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
let me rephrase. We lost Galarraga for Joaquin Arias, Max Ramirez, Kam Loe, Wes Littleton, Travis Metcalf. Take your pick.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have to have 40 man spots...
Borbon doesn’t.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
Any of those guys are gonna be better than Borbon?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows?
I don’t think you give major league deals to draftees. Don’t think it makes sense. Giving Borbon one last year contributed to the roster problems in the spring.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
Keeping scrubs like Loe or Littleton or Fukimori or Metcalf contributed to the problems
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think...
I would label Littleton a “scrub.” Either way, I don’t see why you won’t acknowledge that Borbon contributed to the roster problems.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he did, great.
I don’t think it makes sense to limit the roster that way, and if he’s acknowledging that it can unnecessarily limit the roster, then great.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he contributed
But he was not the reason we lost Galarraga.
And im sorry but what has Littleton done to warrant anything other than being called a scrub?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Under 1 WHIP...
in 33 innings as a 23 yo.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im sorry
was that this year? or last year?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
he sucks.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the value...
in continuing the conversation. Like I don’t see the value in engaging you in conversation.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odd
That you do it so frequently, then.
Personally, I love it. I find your complete lack of self-awareness absolutely fascinating and engaging.
Please argue with me, ben. Oh please won’t you?
by brettgardner on Aug 15, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should
check with your bro regarding Galarraga’s peripherals. He actually sucks and it is a good thing we lost him…..
It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
by red shoe ranger on Aug 15, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha.
God I love people with bits.
by brettgardner on Aug 15, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have any specific opinion...
about Galarraga or his peripherals. I just don’t think we should tie up 40 man spots on draftees because they want major league deals.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is a good thing we lost Galarraga?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
u just have a problem admitting what a huge black eye its become by throwing out his peripherals and insisting that he isnt that good.
It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
by red shoe ranger on Aug 15, 2008 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJM: Galarraga is overachieving, his BABIP is low this season and cannot be maintain year after year.
RSR: AJM hates Galarraga and think’s it’s good we lost him
AJM: My kid did not do too well on one of his tests, so I told him to work harder.
RSR: AJM hates children
(apologies to AJM if no such test exists, or if he actually does hate children)
by Telegraph on Aug 15, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually.....
AJM: My kid is really stupid!
RSR: but Adam, he aces every test and is among the leaders in the entire school district.
AJM: I hear what your saying but I’ve lived with the kid his whole life and I assure you he aint that smart. Trust me he’ll fall back to earth.
RSR: but Adam, its approaching a full year…I think its time we start discussing honors classes.
AJM: I dont care what you say….my kids an idiot……you hear, an IDIOT…..and thats final.
It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
by red shoe ranger on Aug 15, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Borbon may not be a Ranger
If not given a spot on the 40.
by tyd3311 on Aug 15, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically we decided the worst or least valuable player on our 40...
had more value then Galarraga…has nothing to do with Borbon.
by slimshadty12 on Aug 15, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Porcello didn't?
Inconsistent, as usual.
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by Clueless on Aug 15, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Porcello
Was a 18 year old kid, Smoak is a college Jr. A hell of a lot easier to project his future rather than Porcello. Plus I think it is absolutely retarded to give a HS kid a ML deal.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
u r retarded
Porcello deserved a ML deal and the Rangers dropped the ball.
It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
by red shoe ranger on Aug 15, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No 18 year old deserves a ML deal
Not Porcello, Not Beckett, none of them. I don’t care how good he does if you think we have rushed our pitchers this year imagine if we had Porcello on the 40 man roster. He would have been up here and we probably would have had another David Clyde on our hands.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you trade
Borbon for Porcello?
It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
by red shoe ranger on Aug 15, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is that the same thing?
Is Borbon 18 years old?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a question?
If the Tigers called and offered Porcello for Borbon straight up would you do it?
It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
by red shoe ranger on Aug 15, 2008 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah in a heartbeat
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BNow since they paid the huge bonus, sure ill take him for a 40 man spot
now would i take him plus spend 8 million out of pocket? Probably not
by laxtonto on Aug 15, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More relevant question
Would you trade Beavan for Porcello?
How about Main?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2008 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes....
because either way I like any combo of Porcello + Main, or Porcello + Beavan over Main + Beavan.
Are you saying you wouldnt deal either pitcher for Porcello?
It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
by red shoe ranger on Aug 15, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at some of the deals being handed out.
It’s not just becoming a trend within this organization, it’s becoming a trend throughout baseball.
College guys who feel like they can contribute quickly are demanding ML deals. Look at Matusz, Smoak and Alonso (although he hasn’t signed) this year. Posey hasn’t signed yet and I’ll bet the hold up is a ML deal. I’m really surprised Beckham didn’t ask for a ML deal and just signed at slot.
Plus, if there’s a dude that I don’t mind giving a ML deal to, it’s Smoak.
by LiamP on Aug 15, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind on Posey.
Dude’s going to get 7mil+. Giants are waiting to announce.
by LiamP on Aug 15, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ml Deals
This is definitely becoming a trend with top college draftees and i don’t think it’s a good thing for baseball. it’s going to start limiting teams too much if every year they have to tie up a 40man spot for their top pick.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Aug 15, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it as a good or bad thing.
It’s not like every college guy is going to ask for it (Beckham this year for example). Plus, you could always just money whip the shit out of them like the Giants are doing with Posey to avoid it.
by LiamP on Aug 15, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see then the money whipping draws the scrutiny of mlb. the only real solution here is to have rounds 1 and 2 draft position locked into a salary like the nba. (like adam has been saying)
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Aug 15, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think that money....
that you whip them with doesn’t factor into the team’s budget?
by bdavison94 on Aug 15, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did I say that?
I just mentioned it as a potential way to bypass giving these guys a ML contract.
by LiamP on Aug 15, 2008 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
money whipping.....
or ML deals. Either one that the player holds out for because it’s becoming the “norm” is going to limit the team somehow. I’d much rather see the teams play hardball and force a kid to say no to $3.5MM.
by bdavison94 on Aug 15, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
I’d rather give him an extra million or two, but then, it’s not my money. I don’t expect the 40 to be a big issue this winter, but there could be times next season where it will be.
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by t ball on Aug 15, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i’d rather he get a few extra mill if thats what it takes. I mean, I don’t have a problem with him getting a ml deal really since i think he will be with the big league team within 2yrs. It’s the trend i don’t like.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Aug 15, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good
lets get those John Hancocks and fax it to Bud-y boy
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So when does he have to be added to the 40?
Immediately?
by slimshadty12 on Aug 15, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Eh probably worth it..
It’s just how many prospects do you want handcuffing your 40?
by slimshadty12 on Aug 15, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, who gets bumped?
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by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2008 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so what do we tell our 1st round pick next year
who asks for the same?
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by willamos2 on Aug 15, 2008 9:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not saying i'm against it
just it kind of makes things difficult in the future
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by willamos2 on Aug 15, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he is a top end college talent
that may be the case, and it will probably be worth it…
Very very few high school prospects are looking for that.
by tyd3311 on Aug 15, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
If they are the caliber of Justin Smoak then you say sure. If they are a Blake Beavan talent you say have fun in college we’ll see ya in 3 years
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Smoak is top 5 talent
and we got lucky. If we get lucky enough next year to get a guy like him, give’m the ML deal. Who cares if the 40th guy gets bumped…
by Goyogringo on Aug 15, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
If Smoak is the talent the Rangers think he is, he’s going to be here so quickly that the 40-man spot won’t be much of an issue. Like Teixeira, I suspect he’s not going to need much more than a year in the minors.
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by RCCook on Aug 15, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
smoak
my problem isn’t believing in smoaks ability to be with the team quickly, it’s just the trend that is being created of top college guys asking for these types of deals. a guy like smoak i can see doing it for, but when guys like borbon demand it like last season, thats where trouble starts.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Aug 15, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Borbon was a top college guy last year
Just because he slid doesn’t mean he didn’t have the hype. He was projected to go mid first round and with his skill set he was projected to rise very quickly, as hes shown this year.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Borbon was projected
as a top 10 guy before he got hurt.
by FirebatM3 on Aug 15, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA still had him at 16 i believe.
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by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
borbon
don’t get me wrong, i like him as a player.
i just don’t place him in the same level as smoak.
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by rentz on Aug 15, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not either
But in my opinion he was worthy of a ML deal especially if that is what made the difference between him signing with us and going back to college.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i suppose my main gripe is it seems like players are now starting to ask more and more for ML deals, and eventually it’s going to snowball.
Though i certainly wouldnt want to lose out on a smoak or a borbon just because of an ML deal, and at this time last year I don’t believe i was entirely against borbon getting such a deal, but i wasn’t crazy about it.
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by rentz on Aug 15, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats very valid
And it probably won’t slow down as long as these guys perform and make these ML deals work. I imagine as soon as a team gets bitten in the ass by one they will think twice and the trend will turn
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
just clicked on the link, isn’t that exactly what TR said about Mayo and Cashner to the Rangers…?
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by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2008 9:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't confirm this yet, but
I’m hearing Pedro Alvarez to the Pirates for $8-8.5MM.
That would be roughly $5MM above slot.
by jamcadbury on Aug 15, 2008 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ML deal?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bigger than the Teixeira deal
wow, Pittsburgh is close to Scheppers too, according to Rivals
by FirebatM3 on Aug 15, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for Pittsburgh
They deserve some good baseball, and that stadium is awesome.
by tyd3311 on Aug 15, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Teixeira’s deal was $9.5 million.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah
good call.
Still, pretty big deal.
by FirebatM3 on Aug 15, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man
You are one pathetic loser!!!
No offense.
by brettgardner on Aug 15, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all of us
are cool enough to play CF for the Yankees.
by FirebatM3 on Aug 15, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Play"
If that’s what you consider a career average of .150. You suck Brett Gardner.
On a side note: I went to spring training this year in Tampa featuring a Yankees preseason game and saw the roster featuring Brett Gardner and thought what’s the chances this scrub is the guy on LSB? Haha
by slimshadty12 on Aug 15, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot lower
Than the weight difference between us.
Tommy.
by brettgardner on Aug 15, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
That much over slot AND a ML deal. I think the Pirates got raped on that one
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if your going to lose your shirt...
pants, shoes, and hat, I guess you might as well lose your socks in the process.
by slimshadty12 on Aug 15, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
found a link...
The Chubber Lang Report is back!!!
by Hyatt on Aug 15, 2008 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mayo considers Smoak and Yonder Alonso’s fates linked.
by tyd3311 on Aug 15, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So now the bar for Smoak is set supposedly?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes
A’s got Brett Hunter. I really like what I saw from him.
And Yonder Alonso signed.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Aug 15, 2008 10:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nevermind, got the word
Tony Romo's #1 fan!
by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rivals and BA both have it.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Aug 15, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
30 minutes to go
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mayo
No. 11 Justin Smoak: This might be the next one to become official. Word was a deal between Smoak and the Rangers was imminent, that it would be north of $3 million and would likely include a big-league deal. Rangers said no such deal is forthcoming, but we’ll see…
Tony Romo's #1 fan!
by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2008 10:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man
I’d really like to see 4.5M and no major league deal.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Aug 15, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Concur
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 15, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Link?
The Chubber Lang Report is back!!!
by Hyatt on Aug 15, 2008 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://draft.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/08/less_than_two_hours_and_counti.html
It’s the same report T.R. cited.
by jamcadbury on Aug 15, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
The Chubber Lang Report is back!!!
by Hyatt on Aug 15, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's basically where TR got his info
Tony Romo's #1 fan!
by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2008 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Fantasy Football team names?
Anyone got anything good? I’m to tired to be witty and I keep on rhyming Romo’s Homos in my head.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Aug 15, 2008 10:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Screaming Seagulls.
Urban Dictionary is your friend.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2008 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You degenerate you!
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Aug 15, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't invent it...
…just passing it along. =)
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 15, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you want over the line
or tasteful but witty
by FirebatM3 on Aug 15, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sir I believe there is no line.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Aug 15, 2008 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in that case
How about the Alabama Hot Pockets?
by naropean on Aug 15, 2008 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Worst I've heard this year
Sean Taylor’s Thigh Holes
by FirebatM3 on Aug 15, 2008 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vick's Cellmates?
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
by lonestarJon on Aug 15, 2008 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 2007 season called and it wants its name back...
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Aug 15, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Pacman Jokes
Rather disappointing
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Aug 15, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a great non-update from Durrett
"I promise I’ll blog as soon as I know something. It could be 10 minutes or so after the deadline if they do it right before and have to file things with the league.
We might know sooner if they don’t end up making the deal. Robbie Ross, who has the same agent, said he wasn’t sure which way it might go. Stay tuned."
by jamcadbury on Aug 15, 2008 10:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Calm before the storm,
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Aug 15, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting scared
only 10 minutes left
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
LSB facebook group ---->>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=33345329288
by hinduplaya on Aug 15, 2008 10:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
That’s more than I thought.
Can’t see Smoak taking less than $4.25 million.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that probably seals the ML deal part of it for Smoak
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 15, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm agree.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Aug 15, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know
That would be sadly appropriate after the way the past week has gone.
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
by lonestarJon on Aug 15, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you do know everything exactly the opposite happens to what AJM predicts.
Tony Romo's #1 fan!
by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2008 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
I predicted the Hart and Showalter firings.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 15, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so do you guys think
JD is gone if he cant get a deal?
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
LSB facebook group ---->>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=33345329288
by hinduplaya on Aug 15, 2008 10:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it becomes a major black mark on his record.
by venturafearsnolan on Aug 15, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well fuck me with a rusty spoon
remark retracted. Smoak is a Ranger. nice.
by venturafearsnolan on Aug 15, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
scratch that
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
LSB facebook group ---->>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=33345329288
by hinduplaya on Aug 15, 2008 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You beat me to it!
Wooo!!!!
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
by lisa w on Aug 15, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God exists!
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Aug 15, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
LSB facebook group ---->>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=33345329288
by hinduplaya on Aug 15, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
by lonestarJon on Aug 15, 2008 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rangers farm system
The rich, get stingy?
by chrisR on Aug 15, 2008 10:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think JD blinks...
3.35mil, ML deal… but we sign none of the later guys…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
by ivysafety39 on Aug 15, 2008 10:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Considering what Alonso got.
JD got a pretty good deal. You’d have a hard time convincing anyone that Alonso is 1.15mil better than Smoak. I didn’t think Smoak would take that much less than Alonso.
by LiamP on Aug 15, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He thinks...
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Aug 15, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, scratch that.
Evidently the 3.35m ML deal isn’t the real deal.
by LiamP on Aug 15, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With 7 minutes to go
thank you JD
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
LSB facebook group ---->>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=33345329288
by hinduplaya on Aug 15, 2008 10:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
goddamn!
Smoak’s deal is a minor league contract! Way to go, JD!
by naropean on Aug 15, 2008 10:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very good news indeed.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Aug 15, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
My night just went from bad to very, very good.
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
by lonestarJon on Aug 15, 2008 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yay all around.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Aug 15, 2008 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez
BA crapped out and I’m stuck reading a Christina Kahrl chat.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Aug 15, 2008 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Smoak 'em if you got em!
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
by txranger7 on Aug 15, 2008 11:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dykstra
signs with the Padres.
All that’s left is Hosmer.
by FirebatM3 on Aug 15, 2008 11:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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