Saturday morning stuff
So much for the idea that coming home would help the Rangers break out of this funk.
Kevin Millwood looked good for three innings, and then started throwing BP. Richard Durrett says Millwood got booed and lamented that he didn't help the team get out of its slump yesterday, although a shutout from Millwood would have just sent the game to extra innings anyway.
Nolan Ryan says the Rangers have done everything they could to improve the pitching, but nothing has worked. He also acknowledged that they have rushed guys who should probably still be in the minors.
Randy Galloway talks about what Ryan is facing as team president, and asks a rather pertinent question:
I will repeat, and this also involves the status of Washington, since it’s Nolan Ryan’s butt and reputation on the line, how could he not be bringing in his own baseball people, top to bottom?
I wonder that same thing, which is why I'm not as confident as a lot of people that Jon Daniels will be back next year.
Jim Reeves says that adding Justin Smoak gives Daniels more flexibility to make a move to bring pitching to Texas.
On the injury front, Marlon Byrd is day to day with a hyperextended elbow, Vicente Padilla had a bullpen session and is supposed to start on Sunday, and Hank Blalock threw yesterday.
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Pitching Situation
Perhaps I am being overly optimistic but I just don’t think the pitching situation is as dire as it seems. If the Rangers add a guy like Sheets in Free Agency, then make a deal for another pitcher, which is very possible, then I think the rotation could be pretty decent next year. Let’s say that next year’s rotation is Sheets, Padilla, Trade guy, McCarthy and Hurley, would you really feel that pessimistic about things. It’s not as if a total rebuild is necessary here, just some healthy pitchers.
Fire Ron Washington
by pblack on Aug 16, 2008 9:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Healthy pitchers
So if all we need is healthy pitchers why would you be optimistic having Sheets, Padilla, and McCarthy in the rotation?
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by DaheelzCM on Aug 16, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't get...
…how we have more injuries to our staff every year than any almost every other club… we use more starters on a yearly basis than anyone… if this was the NFL the strength and conditioning coach would be fired on a yearly basis… i would understand if it was toward the middle of the summer when we had a rash of injuries as the heat started to break pitchers down… but its the start of the year when we have a rash of issues and we spend the rest of the season trying to recover… why isn’t this a bigger issue?
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
by ivysafety39 on Aug 16, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats a big IF, we might not even be in the playoffs with that rotation because we cant assume our offense is gonna be the same as it is this year
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 16, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i get that...
….he had a rocky start to his tenure, pressing[or allowing depending on who you ask] a couple trades… over the last year and a half, how could you not point to the personel improvement at all levels and say JD is doing a much better job…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
by ivysafety39 on Aug 16, 2008 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
it gets very tiresome to hear the ’ole bag of piss continue to complain about JD.
“Hey Galloway…put a bottle in your mouth and shut the f up”
"For those booing me. Take that, beeep." - Ramon Vazquez
by 8legs2fangs on Aug 16, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about you dont read his stuff?
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 16, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
how ‘bout you leave here and don’t come back???
"For those booing me. Take that, beeep." - Ramon Vazquez
by 8legs2fangs on Aug 16, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steal Home's real name must be
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Aug 16, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan
Could it be the reason Nolan’s not bringing his own people in is he agrees with how JD’s been doing?
Trading and drafting talent hasn’t been a problem for two or three years running. Unless you want to judge the Danks trade as is, and hold it up over LA signings, the Teixeira deal, and the last three drafts, this team has done nothing but shovel talent in.
What would Nolan do? Could Nolan have dealt Laird+ for Volstad?
Maybe if Nolan wants to gut the org of its pitching coaches.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Aug 16, 2008 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree
i’m not predicting it will happen.
i’m saying i wouldn’t be surprised if it did.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 16, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The last thing this organization needs is yet another change in direction accompanied by a change in front office/scouting/development staff and a change in philosophy.
It’ll make me sick if they don’t see this through for two more years.
by gr7070 on Aug 16, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chronic problem
How is it that the Rangers have always had bad pitching? Even when they’ve had an ace or a top reliever, the rest of the staff has been weak. Looking back over the rosters for the past 20 years, I do not see a staff that I would regard to be solid from top to bottom.
Back when Bush was owner, there used to be a guy who sat behind the dugout and all game long yelled “More pitching, George. More pitching.” Now we need that guy more than ever.
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by Caradoc on Aug 16, 2008 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
More pitching
Yeah, we need someone to yell that, because I’m sure that Hicks, Ryan, Daniels et al have no idea they need better pitching.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 16, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
39
games and counting……..
He was a good man.
It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
by red shoe ranger on Aug 16, 2008 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When Galloway dies
will you mysteriously stop posting?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Aug 16, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA!
"For those booing me. Take that, beeep." - Ramon Vazquez
by 8legs2fangs on Aug 16, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone interested in Hargrove
or does his walking out on Seattle make him forever untrustworthy?
It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
by red shoe ranger on Aug 16, 2008 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
His managing in Seattle
makes him forever labeled as a bad manager…
by JBImaknee on Aug 16, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hargrove
Not really. I’m not particularly impressed with him as a manager. He’s just a guy.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 16, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good manager?
Is there such a thing really? Isn’t your job basically not to screw things up? I wonder if you went back to the beginning of the season and did a manager shuffle and reassigned every manager in the league with a different team, which managers would make a difference.
What managers in the league would you say account for maybe a 5 game difference in the standings? LaRussa? Piniella? Leyland?
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by badradiorules on Aug 16, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
those 3, Scoscia, Maddon, and Torre. Guillen would account for 10 more losses
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 16, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak and Davis
Jim Reeves says that adding Justin Smoak gives Daniels more flexibility to make a move to bring pitching to Texas.
Personally, I think it is more likely that Jon Daniels will be here next year than Chris Davis. Given that the pressure is building for the Rangers to win really soon, they need to make a move to acquire some arms. Signing a Sheets or Burnett only half-solves the problem of the rotation.
Davis is the #1 trade chip the Rangers have and would consider moving in the right deal (they aren’t trading Feliz). If Nolan really needs to “win now” – what is more likely, firing a GM who has rebuilt the farm system and brought the team to the brink? Or trading the biggest trade chip or two for a starting pitcher? Smoak allows Davis to be dealt without a long-term blow to the organization.
Think Chris Davis + Elvis Andrus could get Matt Cain? Before you laugh – have you seen the Giants offense lately?
by JBImaknee on Aug 16, 2008 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it'd prolly be more like...
davis/andrus/harrison for cain…. i do see more opportunity for a trade this offseason in the many for one mold… but i think we’d be more likely to trade to clear up our catching situation and use that to bring back some talent.. pick a catcher, middle infielder and mid level pitching prospect and bring back a low2/good3 starter to held stabilize the rotation a bit… i just don’t see JD trading away too many of the new toys he got over the last 18 months when they are showing such promise already on the farm…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
by ivysafety39 on Aug 16, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis's value
It is as high as it will ever be. And my point is that if everyone is fretting about what Nolan is going to do, that dealing a guy whose value is through the roof for what the team needs the most makes a lot of sense. Especially if you are in a win now mode (which apparently Nolan is in, since Galloway and Adam tell us so)
Remember – the Rays traded Delmon Young pretty much straight up for Matt Garza. Chris Davis’s value should be high enough at this moment to at least get talks about a similar trade started. Heck, I don’t know if Andrus would even be required in that deal: think about this – Chris Davis has as many home runs as anyone on the Giants right now.
by JBImaknee on Aug 16, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on the Delmon comp
I don’t want to trade Davis but if we do decide to we shouldn’t need to add much if anything to get a good young starter
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 16, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 year too early on CD
Wait until Smoak proves something in the minors…then you let the trading partner choose.
Meanwhile, you still have 4 catchers. Laird will not be traded, imo, he is here for at least one more year. Salty, however, is a goner.
Salty, plus, plus? for a young stud pitcher?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Aug 16, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we should trade laird and Salty.
laird wont keep these type of seasons up, Salty will be a little better than what he is now. but both of them suck at calling games. next year we could have Teagarden starting and have Max at DH/ backup catcher
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 16, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who plays first? chris shelton?
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 16, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
chips
The biggest trading chip the Rangers have besides Josh Hamilton is Ian Kinsler. 2B is also an easier position for the Rangers to fill at this time. Trade Davis when Smoak is ready in 2011.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Aug 16, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Management 101
A new manager deserves the staff and resources he needs to effectively accomplish the reason he was hired.
When a person takes a new management role (ie Nolan) there are three ways he can successfully make ’the difference" he was hired to do.
First he can fire everyone and bring in his own peolpe.
Second he can evaluate the team and then at an appropriate time make the changes he feels are needed.
Third he can make no additional changes and work with the staff he inherited.
Personally I am the first type of manager. I evaluate the situation prior and get what I need in place before I accept the job. Then I fire everyone who will not be on my staff long term. This is risky and drasatic but then people do not hire me because they are happy with the status quo. After the initial firings a small percentage of people quit, but the one who are not fired I look into their eyes and say “If I did not want you here you would be gone, so take that as a complment and reassurance that I am not looking to get rid of anyone else.”
The second method is probably the most balanced and effective without being so drastic. The same things happen but the manager gets time to know the people before making decsions about them. The downsides to this are people know changes are coming and that affects them personally and their profession performance. It is also more difficult and personal to fire someone you have got to know.
The third method is the most challenging for the manager hired and the cheapest to the owner and easiest for the employees. I have never been successful at this approach as the culture is not fundamentally changed by one person even a CEO/President.
Managers deserve their own team of people around them in order to fulfill the goals they were brought into accomplish. I am not advocating the firing of JD whom I have criticized on many occasions, To fire him now would be a premature evaluation of his approach and moves to date. Ditto on Wash whom I have supported on many occasions and believe is doing a fabulous job given the situation. But there is an hierarchy to any effective organization and Nolan has the right to have “his” people around to accomplish the reason he was hired by Hicks.
by Bigfan16 on Aug 16, 2008 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nolan
Hes not supposed to be in charge of the baseball side of things. Hes supposed to be over the business side of things. Shouldn’t it be Hicks who decides if JD stays or goes? I agree that Wash has been put in a bad spot being forced to work with certain coaches he had no control over. But all this implication that Nolan should clean house I think is ludicrous. Nolan should be working on getting more people in the seats, working on improving the food at the ballpark, getting new and better video boards so more than 60% of the stadium can see replays, get wall padding that is the same color. He needs to keep his hands out of the baseball side of things. An occasional suggestion or giving tips to a younger pitcher is fine but I don’t want him doing much more than that
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 16, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
he’s supposed to be in charge of everything. if he wants daniels gone, daniels will be gone.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 16, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only way we will know what Nolan wants is
if JD is here after the 09 season starts. If Nolan keeps him then Nolan is responsible for him.
I am OK either way but Nolan deserves his staff IMO.
by Bigfan16 on Aug 16, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bigsteve
My memory is not always perfect but I recall when Nolan was hired that he WAS in charge of baseball things. That did create an organizational conflict that can only be laid at Hicks’ feet.
If I am wrong and he is not in charge of baseball then you are completely correct but I am operation based on Nolan being responsible for baseball.
I am not advocating NOlan to clean house but would understand IF he did. He certainly has not taken the first option of cleaning house on day #1.
by Bigfan16 on Aug 16, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I very well may be wrong
I just remember when he was hired JD and Nolan both saying JD would utilize Nolan and run things by him but ultimately he reported to Hicks.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 16, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I like your posts
We can both admit we may be wrong. While we both think consistant with our beliefs of what is true.
Peace.
by Bigfan16 on Aug 16, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 2
That’s why I like BOTH your posts :)
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by LAMuscleFag on Aug 16, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can anyone come up with some comparisons
of a team president usurping the GM/AGM and Coaches on the baseball side of things? Or is it more usual that the team president works the business side of things with a say in the baseball side. Just curious.
by Goyogringo on Aug 16, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ross
Anyone hear whether/where he’s reporting this season?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Aug 16, 2008 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Id imagine
he’d get the Beavan/Ramirez treatment
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 16, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suprise, AZ
He’s not going to pitch in the minors during the 2008 season.
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
by lonestarJon on Aug 16, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
by lonestarJon on Aug 16, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's your thoughts about Nolan telling Hicks to sell the team to him
you think that will happen as well?
It’s the same line of reasoning thinking JD might be gone after this year…
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by Longhorn on Aug 16, 2008 12:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BP on Main
The state of pitching prospectdom in the Rangers system is truly impressive, both in terms of depth and talent. In the wake of the great leaps forward taken by guys like Neftali Feliz and Derek Holland, some of the others have been lost in the shuffle, including 2007 first-round pick Michael Main. Main missed the first half of the season recovering from a rib-cage injury, but he’s been impressive since his return, with a 2.25 ERA in six starts for Low-A Clinton while recording 28 strikeouts in 28 innings and limiting opposing batters to a .221 average. A scout who recently saw Main noted plenty of good in the here and now, combined with a good amount of room for future improvement. “The stuff is there, but it needs to be refined,” explained the scout. “I saw him up to 94 mph on the fastball with good life, and his curveball is a real downer with a pretty sharp break. His delivery is solid and he’s aggressive, and really he’s got everything you want to see in a kid his age.” As for the improvements Main needs to make, the scout felt that Main would perfectly capable of reaching them. “He’s so athletic and thin and lean—there’s not a lot of pitchability right now, but I can see it coming. You add the physical maturing that’s clearly still to come, and he could really turn into something.”
by Kinslerhomer on Aug 16, 2008 12:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is some great news
maybe move his ceiling up to a #1?
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by hinduplaya on Aug 16, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention Poveda, Beavan, Kiker, Boscan, Ramirez, Perez, Wieland.
and those just fall into the kids starting category.
by tyd3311 on Aug 16, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as trading Chris Davis
I hope this does NOT happen, i want a guy on the Rangers who dreamed his entire life of being a Ranger, Not a Yankee or Red Sox Player, But a Texas Ranger, he has the talent and he wants to be here, that DOES mean something, CD should be an untouchable in my opinion.
by TRFAN on Aug 16, 2008 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Concur...
I don’t want to see Davis dealt either. However with the current state of this teams pitching you have to seriously consider a deal like the Young/Garza deal last year IF it is available.
I wouldn’t like to see that happen ’til Smoak is closer to being ready to come up though.
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by slc ranger on Aug 16, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Although I really like JD, I don’t have much faith that we would get the Davis for young MLB ready stud trade right. It is not that I distrust JD, but him and his scouts have never shown that they have any idea how to identify major league ready pitching. I am not just talking about Danks and Young, but more like choosing Mendoza over Galaragga (I know about the options argument, but I am not buying it.) I am afraid we will trade for a young pitcher who is highly rated, but will come here and have nothing but injuries and ineffectiveness like McCarthy has had.
by uthornfan on Aug 16, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hows Ricardo Rodriguez and Juan Dominguez doing?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 16, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite as good as Adam Eaton, who we traded for
I just don’t see anything in the past that leads me to believe the Rangers can identify a pitcher and actually have them develop at the major league level. McCarthy was a finished project and he comes here and throws 87 mph and gets hurt. Hurley is injury free his entire career and is hurt within four or five starts. The players we keep struggle and get hurt and several of the players we trade go off, make minor changes, and pitch very well.
by uthornfan on Aug 16, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more
I like Daniels and want him to stay here, but I think there needs to be a major shakeup in his scouting department and player development department. He can’t get out there and see all his players. so he has to have people that he trusts. His people have seriously let him down and it is now time to find some people who know what a MLB pitcher looks like.
by uthornfan on Aug 16, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants
by Chase Irwin on Aug 16, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh?
The Rangers have a top 5, maybe 3, farm system in baseball. How has his scouting and player development people let him down?
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Aug 16, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB level
I realize we have a great farm system. However, having a great system does nothing if your players cannot succeed at the MLB level. I don’t care if Clinton wins games, I want the Rangers to win games. If the players tear up the minors but struggle and get injured when they reach Arlington, the system has been a failure.
by uthornfan on Aug 17, 2008 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A coupla former Yanks scouts available...
want these guys?
The signing bonus scandal enveloping the Dominican Republic may have expanded Friday to the Yankees, who reportedly terminated the contracts of their director of Latin America operations as well as their Dominican Republic scouting director.
The Associated Press, quoting anonymous sources, reported Friday that the Yankees are no longer employing Carlos Rios or Ramon Valdivia. The report noted that the two are under investigation into a Major League Baseball probe in which Latin American players claim they were forced to give kickbacks to scouts from their contracts.
Oh Noes!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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by Rodney on Aug 16, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah
That’s the very definition of distrust. At least be honest.
by brettgardner on Aug 16, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Waiting until Smoak is ready
I agree that ideally you don’t trade either of these guys until you know that they are redundant and both are ready to produce. However, given this team’s current situation (lots of hitting, zero pitching), and given that Davis’s value is unlikely to get any higher (but could go down, as sophomore players’ often do), I think you have to consider trading him sooner rather than later.
I don’t want Davis to be traded, but I recognize that he is the best trade chip this team has right now. And his position is the easiest to fill, either internally (Blalock), or a stopgap external guy until Smoak is around. Would I rather that be Davis on that corner? of course. But if it meant having a stud young arm on the mount instead? i’ll put up with anyone over there.
by JBImaknee on Aug 16, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
JD should look at the guys who have had good seasons this year and figure out which one is least likely to keep up that pace. and thats not Davis
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
by Steal Home on Aug 16, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
people talk about Daniels as if he's some sort of hero.
no he’s not.
Daniels is succeeding with his back-up plan only after he set this team back a couple of years. the farm being restocked isn’t a product of “JD Wizardry”… it was a last resort to save his job.
if he was fired this offseason, i certainly wouldn’t be outraged.
by oc on Aug 16, 2008 1:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
That’s like saying you’d fire a guy who made you a million dollars in a deal because in the first deal he only made you 100,000.
If you attributed it to nothing more than experience, it still doesn’t add up to a smart decision, or particularly good logic, to say nothing about the relative contexts between the two.
If you don’t trust someone to make smart decisions, then that’s the greatest excuse to fire him. But to neglect all benefits as “fruit of the poisonous tree”, to slightly misuse a legal term, is a little ridiculous.
by brettgardner on Aug 16, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s like saying you’d fire a guy who made you a million dollars in a deal because in the first deal he only made you 100,000.
you’ve got it backwards.
Daniels lost the million dollars the first time around… but, he’s made a couple of hundred G’s since losing it… so, it’s OK.
by oc on Aug 16, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My
Actual point was that studying anything in isolation is pointless. It’s all about context and projection. I think it’s pretty obvious that progress is being made, and for that reason I’m fine with Daniels staying. If you’re not willing to concede any progress, then I think you’re being willfully ignorant.
If you feel the past deals are unforgivable, then there’s nothing much to say to you. Smart business seems, to me, to dictate Daniels staying here.
by brettgardner on Aug 16, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well put
Also, I think people have some sort of mental block keeping them from realizing that every successful GM has lots of blunders on his ledger.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 16, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’m reminded of Josey’s response the other day when his love of Trey Hillman was questioned as it related to Washington: Essentially, it was"Well, I watch Washington every day."
I think there’s an exposure bias, if you want to call it that, that clouds otherwise reasonable people’s judgment.
by brettgardner on Aug 16, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
And I mean that sincerely, since I take it to mean you have no actual response.
by brettgardner on Aug 16, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my response is one of apathy.
…i’ve been promised pitching, and i’ve been given arguably the worst pitching staff in all of baseball two years running.
i’m thinking chain reactions, sir…
i’m thinking patchwork on the free-agent market in the offseason… i’m thinking injury-redux with the number of innings the bullpen is pitching this year, and the lack of health in the rotation…
i’m putting a lot of faith in the rooks “figuring it out” next year, because, holy shit, most of them are No. 5 starters anyway. it’s hard to put winning streaks together when you have one No. 3 and a bunch of 5’s.
don’t think it’s not impossible that the same pattern continues and we begin rushing our prospects out of necessity.
we’re doing it now, we still have thirty-something games to play.
by oc on Aug 16, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1's
Which, I guess, means the very best pitchers, are exceedingly rare. That we don’t have one right now doesn’t mean that much to me. Everybody wants one, few have one.
I wouldn’t argue that we have a good pitching staff, because we don’t, but I’m not sure that I can lay that entirely at one man’s feet.
You talk of “patchwork” on the free agent market. That’s fine, and fair, I suppose, except there generally aren’t fantastic options in free agent pitching. If “patchwork” means getting guys that have warts, well have fun, ‘cause that’s every single free agent pitcher. And I suppose it’s also about efficiency. Would getting Sabathia here, in isolation, really help that much, when you consider that the deal would effectively shut out other talent from coming here? Maybe you think that’s worth it, and maybe you’d be right, but I hardly think it’s an airtight case.
I’m all for the mythical “package of prospects for young ace” deal, but that doesn’t mean much. It all comes down to the specific set of facts in the specific circumstances, and that’s why I don’t agree with your “chain reactions” line of thinking. Because of that, I judge each action or inaction on its own merits. If I see a trend one way or the other, I’d be inclined to either trust or distrust the judgment of the man making the deals.
If injuries are the sole fault of the GM, then fine—send him out of town with his bags packed. Since they’re not, put the “rushing” into context.
We agree that the team must get better, but I don’t see how that happens by firing Daniels, particularly since I’ve come to trust his judgment.
by brettgardner on Aug 16, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, what would you do for '09?
Are you confident enough to trust our development team and wait for Feliz and Holland, banking on BMac’s recovery for next year? FA market? Trade?
You both make fair points, but how would you plan for next year to look any different than this year?
"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants
by Chase Irwin on Aug 16, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I do:
1. Make an honest attempt to sign Garland, with the expectation that he’ll provide you with nothing more than ~200 quality, if not spectacular, innings and hopefully take some pressure off the bullpen.
2. For me, the floor for a starting pitcher acquired via trade is Nick Blackburn. Hopefully, we could do better. Like many here, I’d love to find some package suitable to Boston in order to get Buchholz or Lester. It would be exceedingly difficult and costly to get that done.
Perhaps I think too much like an old man, but any starting pitcher that I’m giving up significant prospects for had better have proven something in the majors already. Thus, I’m loathe to seek out a Bowden unless the cost comes down.
Regardless, I don’t think it’s a terrible thing to go into the season with a rotation of:
Buchholz/Lester
Garland
Padilla
Hurley
McCarthy
With guys like Feldman to step in for a spot-start. Obviously I’d like to get rid of Millwood if possible.
I’d move Hunter to the pen, jettison Mendoza and most of the current pen (to the extent possible). I’d add a guy like Affeldt perhaps.
Not perfect, but assuming we don’t have the same gigantic run of injuries, I don’t feel terrible about it.
by brettgardner on Aug 16, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Lifetime at TBiA: 6.90 1.78 .321
2008: 4.26 1.44 .293
AYFKM?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Aug 17, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Numbers
are those Garland’s numbers?
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 17, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...
Not pretty, but keep in mind (obviously) that is against the Rangers lineup.
Many are against signing Garland, which I can understand, but I think there is a place on this staff for a guy who throws 200 innings a year and would have a ERA right around 5. I mean Padilla has been right around 5 for most of the year and if healthy he would probably have 15 wins or so with this offense. Not sure if it would be enough to get him but I’d go 3/30 for Garland.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 17, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given Hicks' comments yesterday
I seriously doubt they’d sign someone like that unless they came cheaper. I can see Hicks shelling out for Sheets or Sabathia if Daniels and Ryan make the case to him, but I don’t see it for Garland.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 17, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I would think the exact opposite— relatively low-cost free agent pitcher rather than the gigantic contract spread over 7 years.
I think 3/30 is pretty fair for Garland, and I’d do it.
by brettgardner on Aug 17, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
and despite the fact that I think Garland would put up a 5.00 ERA here, his innings would have some value and provide a good pillar to bring in young arms around.
No one would get excited about Garland, but the presence of another 200 inning guy might improve the bullpen’s ERA just by keeping them out of games until later.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 17, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Concur...
that’s my thought process as well.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 17, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A .293 BAA
in this park would be begging for misery. Also, I think he’ll get more than 3/30.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Aug 17, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
Place much stock in those stats you’ve quoted.
by brettgardner on Aug 17, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Is there a truer measure of “stuff” or hitability than BAA?
Is WHIP a failed metric now?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Aug 17, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Not those— I mean the stats at RBiA.
by brettgardner on Aug 17, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
While I can see the value in a 200IP *RLIE, I think he’s going to get 11-12 for 3+. I don’t think this club is going there, especially given the latest drivel from Hicks’ Wallet Mouth.
*=Replacement Level Innings Eater
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Aug 17, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
he’ll probably get too much money, but I also wouldn’t put too much stock in the park numbers, just because of sample size.
With a pitcher’s numbers at a given park, by the time you have enough games for a meaningful stat base, you’ve spread them out over too much time to be useful.
My post above was not necessarily an endorsement of Garland specifically, but I would not be adverse to acquiring an innings eater type for the reasons stated, Garland or otherwise.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 17, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you talk like a good rebuilding job is easy
when history has shown it is clearly not. I am amazed JD got all that he did for Tex last year, given the current trade market. The Tex deal was probably the biggest return on a player the last 3 years.
by FirebatM3 on Aug 16, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think Schuerholz stepping down played a factor in the return.
by oc on Aug 16, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Daniels
shouldn’t be given credit just because of that?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 16, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Eaton... Brad Wilkerson... Jason Jennings...
…we could play this game all day.
by oc on Aug 16, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does Schuerholz have to do with Eaton?
Changing the subject does not prove your point….
Your response to FirebatM3 was purely about the Tex trade…
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 16, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was kinda rolling with the "credit" point...
…i’ll brand the Tex trade a fleecing when at least two of the players in return are running the bigs.
considering Saltalamacchia might not even be with this ballclub next season… we’ll all have to wait a little bit longer.
by oc on Aug 16, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
JDs plan is working after Hicks original plan failed. JD came in and focused on the farm system from day one. He was given a rotation of CHP, Ricardo Rodriguez, John Wasdin, Chris Young, and Juan Dominguez. Thats what he had to work with when he arrived. Aside from AGon he didn’t give up any of our prospects and turned that into a rotation of Millwood, Padilla, Eaton, CHP, and Koronka. Pretty impressive for your first couple months on the job. And while the Young trade has turned out bad its not because we lost Chris Young. Its because of Gonzalez. Since then he has taken in impressive hauls in each of his drafts and turned our farm system into the envy of most other major league teams.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 16, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
…Millwood, Padilla, Eaton, CHP, and Koronka. Pretty impressive for your first couple months on the job.
i’m not sure how to respond to that…
by oc on Aug 16, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How bout you don't then
If all you are gonna do is pick a portion of one sentence then just shut up.
Of course we all know you would have been able to turn what we had into 5 CY Young winners.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 16, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JDs plan is working after Hicks original plan failed.
is this some sort of pass?
Jon Daniels was hired because he believed in Hicks’ plan.
by oc on Aug 16, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He failed at Hicks plan yes
But his plan all along has been to build from within and that is working. And this organization is better long term that he failed originally because otherwise we MAY have had one possible chance to make the playoffs but would not be anywhere near the farm system we have now which is set up to give us winning baseball for a long time to come.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 16, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's letting Daniels off
too easy, and he’d say so himself I think. Any GM is at the mercy of his owner, but Daniels made those awful trades, not Hicks. Both men, however, deserve a little credit for learning from it and changing direction, though I don’t have a lot of faith that Hicks will stick to the plan long term.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 16, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IM not trying to let him off
or make excuses for him. He has publicly said those trades have turned out bad and he has learned from them. But I also believe that those were heavily influenced by outside factors. Whether it be Hicks trying to win now or Buck not liking a player or not trusting him.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 16, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's letting Daniels off
too easy, and he’d say so himself I think. Any GM is at the mercy of his owner, but Daniels made those awful trades, not Hicks. Both men, however, deserve a little credit for learning from it and changing direction, though I don’t have a lot of faith that Hicks will stick to the plan long term.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 16, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Daniels
+1,000,000
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
by horsedooty on Aug 16, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correct response
Richard Durrett says Millwood got booed
he SHOULD get booed.
he has provided NOTHING to this team – a team that needs pitching more than anything. he’s the “ace” of the staff (although we all know that he is not an “ace” in the other sense of the word – the “ace” not an "ace").
when he signed with the team, he was expected to contribute positively, and he has been a HUGE disappointment.
dl millwood gets two thumbs down, and my only regret was that i was watching on directv in so cal, unable to boo him, too.
by sam in so cal on Aug 16, 2008 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
correct response
I was there and can testify that Millwood did get booed. I helped much to the displeasure of the mrs. I cheered when Wash came out to get him. He should be embarrassed to cash those checks he gets from Hicks.
¡yo soy Horsedooty!
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
by horsedooty on Aug 16, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak
So when can we expect to see him get playing time at the major league level? September 09?
Pinch me...this team is playing above .500???
by RangerMoto on Aug 16, 2008 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Depends
of course on how he performs but I would say September 09 should be about right for our first look at him.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 16, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
September '10...
is more likely.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 16, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tex by comparison
Tex signed in 2001 but didn’t play. In 02 he played 38A+ and 48AA games batting 300/400/600/1000 in both leagues, so 86 games ( he may have been in EXT or been injured for the other 54 games I have no recollection). IN 03 he started with the big club. I say he is a starter a/o 2010.
by Goyogringo on Aug 16, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Davis a corner OF
I have heard multiple accounts that claim SMoak cannot play the outfield so he sticks at 1b
by Goyogringo on Aug 16, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no OF
Davis is a firstbaseman.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Aug 16, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does everyone agree
that davis can’t play the outfield?
by Goyogringo on Aug 16, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he can
The club obvioulsy drafted him with the idea that he could play the outfield. He played more games in the of for spokane (36) than 1b(32). We did not have the depth at 1b when we drafted him that we do now so that kept him at first but I do not think that moving davis to the of in order to keep smoak (when ready) is an unrealistic scenario
by Goyogringo on Aug 16, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Davis has the the arm
to play a conrner spot
by Goyogringo on Aug 16, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
better than Smoak
I believe Teixeira was considered a better hitter coming out of college than Smoak. I also think the talent on the 2003 team was inferior to what the Rangers will have in ST of 2010. It is going to be harder for Smaok to win a job with the 2010 Rangers than it was for Teix with the 2003 Rangers.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Aug 16, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you might be right on all counts
but if there is a spot open at 1b (say a davis trade) or if davis it athletic enough to play the of (while I am pretty certain that smoak can’t I’m not sure if Davis can) then all of those factors get cancelled out if Smoak is near-ready. And even if it does take smoak 2 yrs to get here that is fine by me as we know that the club already has position-player depth.
by Goyogringo on Aug 16, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
but so is Smoak.
A decision will have to be made in a year or two.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 16, 2008 2:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bah...
reply to RangerMad.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 16, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Questions:
How many of the Rangers draft picks were signed? Were they all above slot? For those who really follow this, where there any guys after the 3rd round who got picked that seem like a sleeper?
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 16, 2008 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's a good
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Aug 16, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
35 of 50
Whats a sleeper? I would define it as a guy drafted post-30. Right now all of the guys, particularly the relievers, drafted from 20-50 who we signed are all doing well with Tufts and Roark and Cobb already in A+.
One guy who I am keeping an eye on is Joe Butler; I’m not sure why Cobb was promoted ahead of him…
by Goyogringo on Aug 16, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sleeper
To me, anyone after the 10th round who makes the big leagues is a sleeper. Very few of those guys will make it all the way to Arlington. To expect any of them to make it is only setting yourself up for disappointment. Therefore, for those that do succeed, we should be surprised and happy.
by JBImaknee on Aug 16, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said nothing about the bigs
We’re talking minors here. When we are talking about a player in their first year then I define it as someone who does far better than expected in the minors, far exceeding the expectations that were placed on them when drafted. I don’t really consider anyone drafted in the first 15 rounds to be a sleeper because they are the most likely to make it to the majors by defintion. Furthermore, once it is clear that you are a legitimate prospect (say who makes it to AA and/orAAA) who might compete for a position on a major league club, I think that you have enough of a track record -at least to those who have been following their progression – that it is impossible to call them a “sleeper” anymore..
by Goyogringo on Aug 16, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Scott Lucas:
The Miami Herald reports that 19th-rounder Harold Martinez broke off negotiations and will enter classes at the University of Miami. (Martinez has the same advisor as Cincinnati pick Yonder Alonso.) No news is apparently bad news on high school pitchers Charlie Robertson (29th round), Jack Armstrong (36th), and the rest. The highest unsigned pick is RHP Kevin Castner, 10th rounder from Cal Polytechnic.
Also, haha!
The Angels have been unable to reach contract agreements with third-round sandwich pick Zach Cone (an outfielder from Stone Mountain, Ga.) and fifth-round pick Khiry Cooper (an outfielder from Bossier City, La.) despite having "met their price," Bane said.
Cooper is honoring his commitment to Nebraska…GBR!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Aug 16, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Football
I believe Cooper is a football recruit to Nebraska. Not sure if he will play baseball as well.
by uthornfan on Aug 16, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boff 'em.
Before he was drafted, Cooper had signed a letter of intent to attend Nebraska and play baseball and football.
GBR
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Aug 16, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loe recalled, Hunter sent down...
via the FWST blog..
Kameron Loe has made the drive in from Triple-A Oklahoma, presumably for bullpen help, and Tommy Hunter is on his way back to the minors. The Rangers have used their three primary long relievers the past three days. The move could save Dustin Nippert for a start Tuesday. He could also be used Sunday if Vicente Padilla has to be scratched. No one seems to be certain if Padilla threw a bullpen session Friday.
by tyd3311 on Aug 16, 2008 4:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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