Ryan to be more involved with pitching, says Hicks
by t ball on Aug 16, 2008 8:46 PM CDT
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PrintAccording to both the DMN Blog and the Rangers website, Ryan will be more involved in directing the development of pitchers in the system beginning this offseason. Interesting quotes:
"Nolan told me that we're going to take a system-wide new approach to pitching in the offseason," Hicks said before Saturday's game with the Rays. "We're talking about training, development, conditioning. ... He doesn't believe in putting a limit of 100 pitches a game on pitchers. He wants our pitchers to be stronger and better conditioned throughout the system.
I don't think we should automatically assume this means the system's arms are at increased injury risk, but I certainly hope they are cautious making changes like that. If he can awe the arms into throwing strikes that would be a big plus...
"I think it's getting better," Hicks said. "We got decimated by injuries this year, hopefully that won't happen next year. Our young guys are gaining valuable experience.
Ok, at least he's not panicking and knee-jerking over the last week's disasters. Will we be breaking the bank to sign CC this winter, Tom?
Whatever the Rangers' pitching problems, Hicks made it clear that the team won't solve them by spending huge amounts of money in the offseason. Hicks said he is opposed to giving out big contracts to free-agent pitchers.
"It's the biggest gamble in sports," Hicks said. "We tried hard to get Barry Zito, and thank God the Giants outbid us. If Nolan and [general manager] Jon Daniels has one out there they feel is special, I'll listen, but I think it's foolish. It's the biggest high-risk and not necessarily high-reward contract. You're better off developing your own young pitchers or trading for young pitchers."
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Oh Shizz...
This post will have 1000 posts by Monday…90% of which will be DMN blog quality.
I’ll weight in and smack steal home around later.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
Concur...
here comes all the “Mr. Hicks is too cheap to sign any FA’s” bullshit.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
you're right. Zito pitched 200 innings every year
had a better WHIP, ERA+, and career winning percentage.
C.C. is not heads and shoulders better than Zito was at the time. The last couple years have cost him a lot of shine, but you’re forgetting just how good he was.
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spiritedness is likely contained in the preceding post
I'm talking about in terms of stuff
CC is a power pitcher while Zito relies on his curve for finesse. Zito would either be the second coming of Kenny Rogers, or throwing batting practice. I know Zito had good career numbers in Arlington, but it wasn’t a sure thing that he would keep up that pace.
Caliber =/= Type
C.C. could just as easily be a fireballer or out for the year with an arm injury that he never quite recovers from. There’s always risk.
I’d be weary of ever signing a free agent pitcher, ace, semi-ace, innings eater, or otherwise. Those roles are almost always overpaid for the actual production they provide. You’re better of raising them on your team or trading for them just as they’re starting to hit the big leagues. You’ll miss some, but you won’t hamstring yourself financially for years as a result of it.
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Good.
I’m just glad Hicks finally has his head on straight.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
As long as he's willing to spend when that 'special' opportunity comes along
Fine. Otherwise, It’s a disconcerting quote.
Pretty clearly the first time he has ever looked at a web site. "And there are readers' comments at the bottom! And advertisements for products! And best of all, I won a free iPod!"
-Ken Tremendous on Mike Downey.
+ 1
"Well you didn't tell me that you were a Rangers fan" the psychiatrist says to his patient. "That explains a lot!"
by LAMuscleFag on Aug 16, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Ryan
Seemed like he generated most of his power from his legs. Tom Seaver was the same way.
My guess is that Nolan will emphasize that leg strength is the foundation to good mechanics. Thus most of the conditioning and strength training will be directed at the lower body.
I'm a big fan of .
.. lower body conditioning.
What is wrong with that?
It’s not like the pitching staff could possibly have MORE injuries than this year.
Nobody on the Rangers seemed to understand pitching…until now.
You should be happy….regardless of who gets credit.
I Stole The Red Finger !
He didn't say
there was anything wrong with it. In your rush to condemn everyone’s opinion here sometimes you miss stuff like that…
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
That could be the part of the reason we've had so many injuries
most of the injured guys are skinny with the exception of Doug Mathis
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
And why not?
Hicks has obviously lost faith in him.
Baseball is a business to Tommy, and JD isn’t pulling his weight.
Pretty simple.
I Stole The Red Finger !
how?
JD has got the pitchers here and now Ryan wants to keep them healthy. He is tired of the BS from all the injuries and pulling out pitchers after 6 innings with 86 pitches. and using the whole bullpen when it is not needed. The only thing I was thinking was, does this mean we will start seeing Tom House around the clubhouse.
Nolan
“Nolan told me that we’re going to take a system-wide new approach to pitching in the offseason,” Hicks said before Saturday’s game with the Rays. “We’re talking about training, development, conditioning. …”
Where in that says anything about acquiring? You know the GMs job.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
So vague as to bee meaningless
“Nolan told me that we’re going to take a system-wide new approach to pitching in the offseason,” Hicks said before Saturday’s game with the Rays. “We’re talking about training, development, conditioning. … He doesn’t believe in putting a limit of 100 pitches a game on pitchers. He wants our pitchers to be stronger and better conditioned throughout the system.”
What’s he going to do teach all levels how to lift weights and take punches? He’s been crying about whimpy youngsters the whole year. I bet nothing changes and the pitching coaches and trainers thoughout the system keep doing what they have been doing the last 2 years. And I think that would be a good thing rather than have nolan meddling – if thats even what he meant to say as it was written by Belo and friends. its too vague to gleen any kindy of specific changes that will be systematically implemented.
Maybe not meaningless
If all this means is that there is a serious, top to bottom look at how pitchers are handled at each level, that might pay big, long term dividends. If it means everyone starts throwing over 100 pitches a start, that might not be so good. I’m always an optimist, but I fear that Ryan expects things to be like they were 40 years ago, and it just cannot be that way.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
+1
That’s my concern too.
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
why?
our athletes are supposedly better these days, but they cant throw 100 pitches. yea the program we have going now has really worked. we should all be on the millwood workout plan.
by Ranger Capt on Aug 16, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Because
Everything about the way pitchers grow up is different now than it was then. From childhood through college, young pitchers are handled much differently now then they were then, and bullpen usage has expanded greatly at all levels except little league. You cannot just simply turn back the clock. That’s like saying “lead paint was good enough for daddy, it’s good enough for me.”
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
So i guess MLB should expand the rosters then
since in a few years there will be only specialty pitchers that go 2 innings. That is why Ryan wants to change the workout plan. He is just not going to go out there and say ok tonight you are throwing 120 pitches. That is why he said the whole system is going to make changes.
by Ranger Capt on Aug 16, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
You and I are about the same age right?
I’m 32. When I was in high school the good pitchers were throwing huge numbers of pitches. Too many, in fact. Way more than what Ryan’s talking about and at too young of an age for it.
by Black Francis on Aug 16, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Kerry Wood
Was notable for his punishing workload. His background was more the exception than the rule.
by Back Door Yakker on Aug 18, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Not my Experience
When I was growing up there was a kid in Mansfield who was clearly way ahead of anyone else on his team. They ragged him good. On my team we had a guy (King was his last name) who had a sub-1 ERA and struck out two per inning. The coaches absolutely decimated his shoulder. That kid threw in the nineties with great control and went undrafted. Before he got hurt scouts were at the game all the time, and I bet he would’ve been a relatively high pick. The kid was tall and strong….just the kind of pitcher the scouts love. Also the QB of the football team. A&M did give him a baseball scholarship but I don’t think he ever pitched an inning for them.
If I know of two, I’m sure somebody else knows of two more, and somebody else knows of two more, etc.
The high schoolers that are THAT good are their team’s ultimate weapon. It’s not the exception. Maybe it’s changed. Hopefully it has.
by Black Francis on Aug 18, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
dude
nothings changed in college or high school, I know for a fact in the CWS that they will have a starter throw a 100+ pitches and come out the next game and close!
by blueballlefty on Aug 17, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
absolutely tball
I go back to the Cowboys in the Parcells era. He had had great success in the 80s running his style of offense and then was out of coaching for awhile. he came back and tried to instill his old style of football into an era of throwing and a complete different mindset. He had some success but arguably not as much as he probably could have had with the same players in a more modern philosophy.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Apples and Oranges
Pitching hasn’t changed as much as football offenses have. Fastball, curve, slider, change.
by Black Francis on Aug 16, 2008 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
pitching has though
specialty relievers, the way these guys are brought up going back to their youths. year round baseball, hitters being better so a simple fastball isn’t gonna do it. Nolans fastball was straight as an arrow. He just blew it by batters. There aren’t many guys in todays game that can get by with a straight fastball. Its either a cutter or a 2 seamer.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Fastballs
There have always been cutters and two-seamers, but they weren’t always called that. The only “new” pitch I can think of is the fork ball. Ryan’s fastball was pretty straight but not all four-seamers are, even when they’re thrown in the high nineties. Fastballs have always had movement.
They don’t have closers in high school ball, or at least not when I was in school. I’m not ancient but I suppose things could’ve changed. The kinds of guys who are drafted are the types that will throw until their gassed because they’re usually head and shoulders above anyone else on the team (even if they’re tired). If a kid is converted to a reliever in college and the Rangers want to convert him back, I would hope they have enough sense to be careful about that.
Pitching has changed a lot in the Majors and Minors the last few decades to be sure, and college to a lesser extent. But I don’t think high school ball has changed much and I guarantee you that every pitcher in the Rangers organization started games while in high school.
by Black Francis on Aug 16, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Nolan really didn't have
big success til he adopted the circle change.
What's the secret to a long life? "I masturbate a lot"-Ernest Borgnine. http://www.bestweekever.tv/2008/08/14/icymi-ernest-borgnine-reveals-his-secret-for-everlasting-youth/#onepage
Ryan's fastball
I seem to remember that it was straight but it rose up in the zone as a strikeout pitch. Thinking of nippert -his is really straight and hard (up to 98) and is just up in the zone with no rise…
I'm not sure...
…Ryan is that naive. He was around baseball for a long, long time and saw lots of injuries. I’m sure he’s aware that he’s a freak of nature.
Most of what I read says he wants them to go more innings. I would assume that means better conditioning and being more efficient with pitches, which he wasn’t particularly good at.
And I don’t think there’s a starting pitcher in the system that’s not able to throw 100 pitches if they’re healthy. Unless it’s in 3 and a third innings or something, that’s not a big deal. Most of them threw a lot more of that in high school and college, for sure. We’ll just have to wait and see how this is implemented.
by Black Francis on Aug 16, 2008 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
that’s what I’m hoping, that he is a smart man who would not suggest doing anything harmful to young pitchers. I’m really hoping that he’s going to push for aggressiveness. They all give lip service to it (see BTIA’s interivew with Ramirez) but then they get up to Arlington and nibble at the corners. I’m hoping Ryan can drive that point home somehow, another, very authoritative voice adding to the stated organizational philosophy.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
I guess my point was
that I think that review of the system has been done already and I like the system as it is now with adair in charge and a more focused consensus on how to develop players from top to bottom. I also think the TRS piece was just a fluff piece that doesnt merit serious comment. Until hicks or Ryan are grilled about their intentions and until they give detailed answers about systemic changes, I wouldn’t pay too much mind too it. TRS should have kept that piece in his pocket.
Hicks
It’s the biggest high-risk and not necessarily high-reward contract.
I guess we can safely rule out signing Sheets or Sabathia this offseason. No wonder Hicks has developed a reputation for being cheap.
not so
No wonder Hicks has developed a reputation for being cheap.
Hicks being cheap is a myth perpetuated by his bashers. Objective observers will note the money he has spent on signing draft picks, latin america scouting and player development, and contract extensions to Young and Kinsler. He also has +$100M payrolls back in 2000 and 2001.
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/08/those-freespending-slotbusting-rangers.html
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
Ditto
This is a GOOD thing. Hicks is spending money where it should be spent, on the draft, signing international free agents, beefing up the scouting department, expanding the DR academy, etc. It’s amazing to me that people focus on only free agents and the major league payroll of the last couple of seasons when talking about Hicks’ money.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
Hicks' comments
IMO, his comments make it sound like he has no intention of signing ANY free agent pitcher EVER. Now I like the fact that he has been willing to spend big on amateur talent, scouting, etc, but if he isn’t willing to sign a solid FA starter because he thinks it’s too big of a risk, and that developing a staff from within is the ONLY way to build a staff, then I think he’s being silly.
it's still about the money...
…Hicks knows he stands to lose more money next year unless he makes some changes with the pitching staff.
it won’t be a total facelift… but, there will be a different name or two in the rotation next season… via trade or free agency.
rich folk
don’t own sports franchises to make money…
Are you sure about that?
While it sounds good, it’s flat out wrong.
please
money is made when a franchise is sold, not during its operation.
Huh?
So operations aren’t responsible for raising the net value of the franchise?
Money is “lost” during operation?
"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants
by inactive lsb user on Aug 17, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a limited view
Plenty of sports franchises make lots of money.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
2-4 so far today
with a dinger…so a big +1 to this line:
55 10 23 3 0 5 18 10 11 0 0 .418 .515 .745 1.260
6HR, 19RBI in 15 2/3 games. Not too shabby, eh?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
+1
i cant think of any free agent pitchers doing anything special this year
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
Lohse
has been better than most of the big name guys
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 17, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
that was my point all along
before you critcize everyone of my posts you might actually want to read them
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
"I can't think of any free agent pitchers doing anythign special this year"
Well, just because you can’t think of them, doesn’t mean you are right….
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 17, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
i am right, what big name free agent pitchers have done anything good
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
"Reputation for being cheap"...
Yeah deals like A-Rod, Chan Ho, Millwood, and offers like the one’s to Teix and Zito really tell you how cheap he is don’t they?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
No
I’m speaking of the average uninformed Randy Galloway-reading rangers fan. I’m pretty sure he HAS developed a reputation for being cheap, though I don’t agree with the average fan’s opinion of him. I’m mainly just mad that he is making pretty concrete statements about not signing any more FA pitchers because he’s afraid of the risk involved.
I'd be a little afraid...
of the risk involved as well though. You don’t want to give another 60 mil to a Chan Ho or even Millwood, and you sure as hell don’t want to cough up 100 mil to a Zito.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
hicks' frank
comments on the zito ordeal indicate he’s patently aware of an assessment mistake. whether he attributes that mistake to JD or himself or just one of those rare times that a guy gets a big contract and vastly underperforms is up for discussion. his comments lead towards the idea that it was just a fluke thing, but that we can rule out the possibility of being victimized by such a fluke thing by avoiding the big FA pitcher, especially one who wants a long deal. it could definitely portend an offseason dismissal of JD though.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 16, 2008 9:54 PM CDT reply actions
This post is bull,
rampant hindsight. No one thought Zito would pitch at replacement level. Everyone agreed SF signed him for way too much, and many thought he would not be nearly as good as his earlier seasons. But no one, no one, thought he’d be this bad and most everyone thought it was a good idea to offer him serious money.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
im not sure
what hindisght you’re referring to. My post is about the Hicks quote which reveals a fundamental distrust in the propensity for the FA pitcher signing process to produce successful results. The Rangers, through some organizational process, came to the decision to offer Zito a contract at x amount of dollars for y years. Hicks is saying now what I think is generally obvious to most, that we’re fortunate he did not accept that offer, which makes one of two things true:
a) either Hicks is flustered by the inherent unpredictability of signing FA pitchers and believes participating in it is generally no longer a risk worth assuming, or
b) Hicks, though troubled by the unpredictability of signing FA pitchers, still believes it can be worthwhile but has lost faith in the organizational decision-making process (and therefore the actors that constitute this process).
I believe A is mostly the case, from the quotes. But one cant help but wonder if there isn’t a small -sense in Hicks’ mind that B is part of the problem.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 17, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I
misinterpreted what you meant. I agree it’s likely choice a. I think b already underwent serious self-examination. I imagine that Hicks and Daniels talked a LOT about all this stuff before the decision was made to rebuild last season.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
You know from one standpoint, I'm just glad that Hicks seems to have embraced the youth movement
Note that even when he mentions trading for a pitcher, he specifies “young pitcher”. Hopefully that means we’ll never have to see another Adam Eaton deal again.
But from another, this does kind of kill hopes that we’ll go after Sheets or CC in the offseason and suggest once again that he’s reluctant to spend serious money on the Rangers. Right now that might be a good thing, but I hope his stance on this changes once we really are only one good FA signing away from competing.
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
I think it will
The guy wants to win championships, but he’s a businessman and this team doesn’t print money like the Yankees so he can’t afford to run $115 million payrolls out there like 5 or so teams can. Not everybody can be the yanks, sox, cubbies, dodgers, etc.
He’s spent money on the team before, and he spent money on the Stars to bring home a Cup when it counted. If we do get to the point where we are “one player away”, I won’t be surprised at all to see Hicks sack up and dig deep. I also still won’t be surprised if CC and Sheets are given sizable offers this offseason.
If there were no rewards to reap,
no loving embrace to see me through this tedious path I've chosen here,
I certainly would've walked away by now... Be patient
actually your wrong
we CAN afford to throw out $115 million dollar payroll’s we cant afford to throw out $215 million dollar payrolls(thats what the Yankees spend)
by blueballlefty on Aug 17, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
+ 1
I don’t know about $115 m….but whats the payroll these days? Is it 68 million? If thats the case isn’t that a bit LOW… If he doesn’t want to spend 20 million on a pitcher.. that’s understandable but let’s trade some young talent/catchers for a decent starting pitcher or two for a damn change.
"Well you didn't tell me that you were a Rangers fan" the psychiatrist says to his patient. "That explains a lot!"
by LAMuscleFag on Aug 17, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
great MJH report
JD said back in ST that they wanted to build a rotation from within. It is too costly to acquire front of the rotation SP through FA or trade. I am sure JD has a similar report to Hindman’s below.
http://rangersfarmreport.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/06/daddy_where_does_pitching_come.html
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
I thought I was supposed to be MJH's shill.
Time to look for a new job, I guess.
It's filed under 'D'... for donut.
by NoNameOnCard on Aug 16, 2008 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with Hicks here
You dont want take that kind of risk, but i hope he doesnt rule out pitchers like Garland, Lowe, and Oliver Perez.
Also, what about signing Lackey if the Angels dont take his 09 option, hes from Texas so he should be able to handle the heat stay healthy, and he shouldnt cost as much as sabathia
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
you hope...
lowe is 35, garland is going cost more than the 12mil he’s making this year, and oliver perez is a NL flyball pitcher…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
by ivysafety39 on Aug 17, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Trades
The more I think about this, the more I believe this makes it all the more likely that Daniels will once again negotiate a huge trade this winter, another bombshell. We need to be prepared to say goodbye to a favorite prospect or two in return for a pitcher. Let’s hope it’s one who stays healthy and the prospects don’t have a high BITA factor.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
agreed..
…yeah, one fo the catchers+prospects this winter is going somewhere for a young 2/3 starting pitcher…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
by ivysafety39 on Aug 17, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I just hope...
that it doesn’t involve Davis, Feliz, Andrus, or Holland. I’ve pretty much accepted that something like that will happen, but we better get a pretty special pitcher back if one of those guys are involved.
Find a team looking for position players, i.e. Giants, Royals, Pirates, Marlins, etc., and start with a package like Salty (although I know the Giants probably won’t want a catcher) Beltre, JMJ and see what that gets you.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
welcome to the dark side, t ball, m-man…
Eric Hurley, Chris Davis, Jarrod Saltalamacchia for Zach Grienke
I go back and forth on that
All it costs to sign a FA is money — unless acquiring one causes the team to stop short of pursuing other options as well, an opportunity cost.
Getting a young, controllable SP in trade is going to be very, very expensive in prospects this offseason. The Rangers might have to take someone’s trouble, like Scott Olsen or Brett Myers, if they want to avoid highway robbery of the system.
I’ve always assumed that Daniels would give us a 3rd annual December surprise, but I’m less sanguine about the cost with the way teams are valuing young players right now. I think Salty to Boston is a pretty good bet, maybe for Bowden.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
Still too much...
if Davis is involved in that deal then Hurley and Salty shouldn’t be.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
that's what it will take...
…and i am fine with it.
one of either Davis or Smoak will become expendable soon.
by oc on Aug 17, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think...
it will take that much, just my opinion.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Heh, funny
I did not even pay attention to your trade proposal, only commented on the link. That is too much for Greinke. Salty has had a bad year, but he still has value.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
+ 1
"Well you didn't tell me that you were a Rangers fan" the psychiatrist says to his patient. "That explains a lot!"
Been sayin' for awhile
Salty’s gone, Laird stays.
Package Salty with a MIF prospect, a low A arm, and you’ll get a good return.
Book it!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
Depends what sort of starter you're looking for
We need a LAIE or two in our rotation in the worst way.
What would a guy like Ian Snell or Jonathan Sanchez would cost right now?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 18, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Zoinks!
Giants placed LHP Jonathan Sanchez on the 15-day disabled list.
Sanchez heads to the DL with a strained left shoulder. He’s already pitched almost 10 more innings than in any other season in his professional career, so the break is probably for the best. He had a 7.96 ERA in his six starts since July 4 anyway. Matt Palmer replaced him in the rotation.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
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