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BTIA on McCarthy

BTIA has a great analysis of Brandon McCarthy's past 18 months or so in Texas, and in particular, the chronology of problems and the public statements being made (particularly from Mark Connor) about McCarthy's issues...

I don't know why McCarthy has been the mess he's been since he got here, or who all is ultimately to blame...but I think there's no question the Ranger version of McCarthy hasn't been the ChiSox version of McCarthy (the one who was regarded as one of the best young pitching prospects in baseball).  And I think it is worth asking why that happened, and worth the organization spending a significant effort to determine how that mistake can be avoided in the future.

 

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I just hope he is better

by thedudeabides on Aug 18, 2008 3:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice wrap up, there.

I think we’d all be more hopeful about 2009 and beyond if he can get back to the bigs and have a handful of good outings before season’s end.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 18, 2008 3:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok...

I have no idea if this change is going to mean BMac’s issues are behind him. But how can someone look at this picture and not see a problem. ?

Even if you don’t see it as a problem, wouldn’t you at some point get BMac back to his Chicago mechanics and see if that’s been the problem? Just seems like common sense.

by jthig32 on Aug 18, 2008 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn...

considering his size BMac is taking just about no stride at all in the pic with the Rangers. That is a definite problem. One of the things I remember hearing him say when he was working with Ryan and Hawkins was that they were working on his legs. I hope that is one issue they solved.

Not hard to see why his velocity could have dropped either with those pics.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 18, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pics

Looks like he is playing catch in the Ranger pic. Looks like a pitcher with the ChiSox.

It’s stunning really.

And the sad thing is, as far as I can tell, the “high release point, pitch downhill” (ie. shorten your stride and throw standing straight up) is still preached throughout our minor league system. Can Parks or z or somebody weigh in on that? Is the organizational philosophy to shorten strides and have these guys “throw on a down hill plain”?

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Aug 18, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the sad thing is, as far as I can tell, the "high release point, pitch downhill" (ie. shorten your stride and throw standing straight up) is still preached throughout our minor league system.

Not true.

by mjh on Aug 19, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's some good stuff

I like that there’s finally some small reason to be optimistic about BMac…….

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 18, 2008 3:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OT: D-backs

their in the easiest division and if you take away their record against their crappy division, they are 33-44.

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 18, 2008 4:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

dot dot dot

"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants

by Chase Irwin on Aug 18, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't you mean

“their” 33-44? Pretty sure you do mean that.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Aug 18, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

please dont

make any more posts so you dont waste our time?

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 18, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 Billion

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Aug 18, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+2 billion

A Lonestar in California

We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.

by lonestarJon on Aug 18, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+3 billion

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 18, 2008 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my thoughts
And at the end of the day, I legitimately have to wonder if Ryan didn’t join the Rangers in his present capacity, realize that Connor was something of a detriment to not only McCarthy’s progression but to several more of the club’s young pitchers as well, and begin to personally take the bull by the horns with regard to the grooming and development of the future lifeblood of the franchise.

two possibilities.

one – the team recognized a problem and is taking steps in a positive direction by sacking the pitching coach. he had no achievements/credibility afaik, so i have no idea how he kept his job as long as he did. kudos to nolan for making a potentially positive impact on the team in an area that he is very familiar and an area that we need a tremendous amount of help. the assumes of course that the college student that wrote this article is correct in his guess.

two – this team screws up everything and mccarthy is following in a long list of failures. until someone proves me otherwise i will assume that this is correct.

fwiw – proof comes in accomplishments not speculation about a bright future that can easily come unraveled just as it always has. i agree that the minor leagues are in better shape than ever before, but until any of these guys contribute to a contender they are unrealized potential.

by this time next year we will see what nolan/hawkins/daniels have collectively done to help mccarthy and the rest of the staff.

by sam in so cal on Aug 18, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

True, proof does come in accomplishments and not speculation

However, it’s worthwhile to understand why this team screws up everything instead of accepting it as the inevitable. Trying to understand this is far from useless speculation.

by Telegraph on Aug 18, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice to have an outlet that can really disect a move like this.

DMN/Startlegram couldn’t devote this amount of space to a nuanced issue like this, even if it could be a critical point in the path of the team’s performance from this point forward.

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Aug 18, 2008 4:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I have to say...

if this is how Nolan Ryan interacts with the pitching coaches and pitching staff, count me in.

I tend to agree with Adam about Nolan — he was a great pitcher with a bionic arm, and I worry that he will expect other pitchers to hold up to similar performance levels. I sincerely hope that I’m proven wrong. This sort of story starts that ball rolling, in my eyes.

by jwiscarson on Aug 18, 2008 4:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope

I think that’s a fair characterization of my biggest concern about him and pitchers.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 18, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On that note, then

Does this alleviate any of your concerns?

by jwiscarson on Aug 18, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any pics video of his OKS start(s)?

It would be interesting to add a third pic to the sequence to see where his motion is after the Ryan/Hawkins session.

by mattrpav on Aug 18, 2008 5:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

It’s faint, but I snatched this grab from last night’s OKC start:

Now, tell me: does that not look like his Chicago delivery?

Posted some more photos in the comments section on the piece. Many thanks to Adam for the totally unsolicited plug.

by jamcadbury on Aug 18, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That does look much better...

HIs stride didn’t look like that a month ago when I saw him pitch out here.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 18, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

didn't mention

that BMac also showed up to spring training with extra bulk from lifting weights. i’d still like to know whose bright idea that was.

by SteveP on Aug 18, 2008 5:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You could add 40 pounds to his frame

and you would barely be able to notice

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 18, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and btw

i’m not convinced the rangers screwed him up. sure, they didn’t help him out, but….

september 2005:

May 2007:

by SteveP on Aug 18, 2008 6:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That was during his really good stretch

3.55 ERA in May of 07

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 18, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He should go back to the high socks

That is the problem. :)

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Aug 18, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Full May '07 line:

.200/.308/.367 BA/OBP/SLG against
14 Ks, 15 BBs, 18 hits in 25.1 innings, for a WHIP of 1.70

His BA/OBP/SLG against looks pretty damned good to me. His K/BB ratio is average, and his WHIP is really unsightly. It seems pretty strange to me that he’d have such a high WHIP with that line against. Anyone care to offer further insight?

by jwiscarson on Aug 18, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

something is not right

15 bb + 18 hits = 33 wh in 25.33 ip = 1.30 whip

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Aug 18, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, thanks

I dunno how I got 43 out of 15 + 18.

by jwiscarson on Aug 19, 2008 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a Connor apologist

He may have completely screwed up McCarthy, but you have to give kudos to him for what he did to Feldman.

I believe there was a comment in the BTIA story about Connor tinkering when unnecessary and it appears that may be what happened with McCarthy. But when Feldman needed some tinkering, Connor got some pretty good results … considering where Feldman was last year.

by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 18, 2008 6:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I keep seeing this

Feldman is using the delivery that he was drafted with. The Rangers took the package that you currently see, and turned it into a side-armer, then when that utterly failed, changed him back to his original arm slot. I don’t see how anyone can use Feldman to advocate for Connor. The better question is why in the world was he converted to a girly thrower to begin with?

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Aug 18, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Aug 18, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Organizational Philosophy

I’ve had a question about something organizational for two years that this whole McCarthy saga brings to a head…

Is it common for major league clubs to impose a uniform pitching philosophy on their minor league affiliates? I realize that’s a pretty big task considering you’ll have pitchers with potential and pitchers who are career minor leaguers at every level, but it seems to me that there ought to be an organizational gameplan from the Arizona League all the way through the AL West for both hitting and pitching.

So much of what I’m reading about McCarthy and the bits of anecdotal shockers like our major league pitchers being optioned to OKC last year and learning a new pitch or getting some pointers on varying the grip on an existing pitch from Hawkins et al make it seem like there’s a huge disconnect between management and the big team’s pitching coaches and the minor leagues’ pitching coaches and the pitchers in the minors.

It seems to me that there’s two immediate things Hicks can do after the season ends that could be a bigger pair of factors in using going from flirtations to contenders to World Series favorites than signing C.C. and Ben or trading for Zach or whatever your solution du jour is: Overhaul the conditioning program from facilities to people and sit down with your President, GM, manager and pitching coach and get a friggin’ plan together that starts in rookie ball and extends all the way to The Ballpark.

I just don’t see how in the hell you can have a guy like McCarthy kicking around who has been a mechanical mess for most of his time in this organization and not have anyone but the President and former AAA pitching coach see what’s wrong with him.

While I know the answer to my question is probably tied up in the whole Connor-getting-canned saga and the contested legacy of his time as pitching coach here in Texas, it just really seems like our organization needs some kind of top-to-bottom gameplan that is loose enough to allow the stars to rise by doing what they do well while at the same time grooming them within certain boundaries (i.e. pound the strike zone).

As far as the conditioning program goes, there’s no excuse to not be able to buy a world class conditioning program when you’ve got the kind of dinero Senor Tom has in his back pocket. If our team’s conditioning doesn’t improve, it’s not going to matter if you run C.C. or Ben or Zach out there once a week if you’ve still got three guys behind them who are emergency starters straight out of the minors. And if you’re going to think seriously about bringing someone with a history of fragility like Ben Sheet here, you’d damn well better have a world class conditioning program and training staff to keep him healthy.

by Mister Naxal on Aug 18, 2008 6:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

why wait?

I don’t understand why everyone always says, this off-season they should do this, that and the other thing. Why not try some of those things now? You still have almost 2 months left in the season to try out different ideas and philosophies. That way you have a basis of what worked and didn’t work before you make a decision on how the organization should move forward.

by un_ambassador on Aug 19, 2008 2:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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