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LSB Community Prospect Project: Mid-Season #23

After 201 votes, Warner Madrigal has won the right to be called the LSB Community #22 prospect!

The list so far:
1. 1b, Chris Davis
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. RHP, Eric Hurley
4. SS, Elvis Andrus
5. C, Maximiliano Ramirez
6. 1b, Justin Smoak
7. RHP, Michael Main
8. RHP, Blake "C-Wun" Beavan
9. C, Taylor Teagarden
10. LHP Kasey Kiker
11. OF, Engel Beltre
12. LHP, Matt Harrison
13. OF, Julio Borbon
14. LHP, Derek Holland
15. RHP, Tommy Hunter
16. RHP, Wilmer Font
17. RHP, Neil Ramirez
18. LHP, Martin Perez 
19. OF, John Mayberry, Jr.
20. RHP, Thomas Diamond
21. SS, Marcus Lemon
22. RHP, Warner Madrigal

Time to move on to the next vote.

The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.

And please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.

NOTE: There has been some speculation as to what the criteria are for this vote. Should guys who are currently in the bigs be involved in "prospect" discussions? For the sake of this exercise we're taking what the guys have done in the big leagues and using the BA prospect formula of 130 AB's or 50 ip. If a guy is under those limits, he's still a prospect right now, so he goes on the list. It's that simple.

Poll
Who is currently the #23 prospect in the Rangers' system?
LHP, Richard Bleier
0 votes
LHP, Tim Murphy
3 votes
LHP, Beau Jones
6 votes
LHP, Robbie Ross
24 votes
LHP, Joseph Ortiz
0 votes
RHP, Wilfredo Boscan
7 votes
RHP, Joe Weiland
2 votes
RHP, Omar Poveda
6 votes
RHP, Fabio Castillo
5 votes
RHP, Kyle O'Campo
0 votes
RHP, Kennil Gomez
2 votes
RHP, Andrew Laughter
2 votes
C/OF, Cristian Santana
18 votes
1b/OF, Clark Murphy
1 votes
1b/OF, Mitch Moreland
1 votes
1b, Ian Gac
0 votes
2b, Jose Vallejo
60 votes
2b, German Duran
49 votes
SS, Joaquin Arias
5 votes
SS, Renny Osuna
0 votes
3b, Matt West
2 votes
3b, Johnny Whittleman
2 votes

195 votes | Poll has closed

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Been voting for Vallejo since JMJ

lets get him on the rankings!!!

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 2, 2008 5:40 PM CDT reply actions  

He's fast

He’s very, very fast and can apparently field the crap out of the ball.

But is he more than a utility man?

His bat really worries me.

If he’s the good version of Luis Castillo, that’s fabulous. If he’s Ramon Nivar, that’s bad.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 2, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was Ramon Nivar ever this good of a defensive player

Also, Ramon Nivar never showed any signs of plate discipline in the minors. Joaquin Arias if he had some more power is a better comp for Nivar.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 2, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

New Guys:

Joe Wieland- 4th round pick out of a Nevada high school. 18 yrs old. Signed quickly and is pitching well in the AZL so far. 25.0 innings, 2.10era, 17/5 k/bb.

Richard Bleier- 6th round pick out of some bumfuck Florida college. 21 yrs old. Signed quickly and is pitching well in Spokane so far. 2.81era in 41.2 innings with a 30/8 k/bb and an incredible 3.74 ground outs for every fly out. He keeps the ball on the ground, yo.

Andrew Laughter- 23 yr old reliever currently pitching in Frisco. Posting a 2.10era in 51.1 innings with a 36/14 k/bb. Be sure to check out Salty Dog’s overshadowed prospect feature on Mr. Laughter.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 2, 2008 5:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I voted for Mr. Robbie Ross last time

And gosh darn it if I’m not going to do it again. The Rangers apparently love him, and so do I. Kid’s gonna be good.

It’s between him and Cristian Santana for me, and I’ll take the arm over the injury plagued catcher this time. If Cristian can stay healthy next year in Bakersfield though, watch out. That kid has got some serious ceiling in him.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 2, 2008 5:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Same here.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Aug 2, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Voted for Ross again

Have no problem with any of the top four vote getters though.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by Brett Perryman on Aug 3, 2008 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

figured

can johnny get some love

"Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle." - Nolan Ryan

by hurlerhurley on Aug 3, 2008 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Z

I was thinking it’s time Adam Fox got sent down and Whittleman promoted to Frisco

"Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle." - Nolan Ryan

by hurlerhurley on Aug 3, 2008 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

What about

Whittleman’s performance makes you think that? He hit .228/.368/.307 in July, after hitting .207 /.340/.341 in June. I fully expected that to happen coming into the season and even after the first month or so, but the guy just isn’t hitting. And he flat out doesn’t hit lefties at all right now.

I’d lean toward moving Lemon up and playing him or Vallejo at 3B over Whittleman getting moved up when he’d probably be a disaster.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by Brett Perryman on Aug 3, 2008 2:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't think this poll was about "performance"

after Thomas Diamond made the list.

Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball

by willamos2 on Aug 3, 2008 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right but

he’s talking about a promotion there, not the poll.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by Brett Perryman on Aug 3, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vallejo is getting Fonted up the culo

Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.

by Brian Thomas on Aug 2, 2008 5:49 PM CDT reply actions  

there's a buncha vallejo haters here!

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Aug 2, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait a second

Tomato Sauce is down with a speedy good defense up the middle but questionable bat guy?

Explain, please.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Questionable bat?

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by Brett Perryman on Aug 3, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by Brett Perryman on Aug 3, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not trying to say Vallejo is without virtue

Just having fun pointing out that Vallejo and Borbon are very similar hitters, yet you love Vallejo like a sexy step-son and then shower Borbon with vitriol.

It’s odd, Senor Sauce.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 4, 2008 3:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Madrigal, Mayberry, Hunter, Diamond

He should be ahead of all those guys (maybe not Hunter).

And why do you say his bat is questionable?

Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.

by Brian Thomas on Aug 3, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cause he can't put up an OPS over .800 in the minors?

2005 Az Rangers 18 .291/.364/.360/.724
2006 Clinton 19 .234/.289/.284/.573
2007 Clinton 20 .269/.326/.327/.653
2008 Bkrsfld 21 .287/.349/.432/.781
Frisco 21 .274/.333/.393/726* (May be a bit off on this one, as I got it from the baseballcube, which updates about once a week)

You can take the speech Mugatu gives at the end of Zoolander (the one about how he’s going insane thinking he’s the only one who sees this very obvious flaw) and apply it to me and Vallejo. I feel like I’m on crazy pills!!!

He’s fast, which I freaking LOVE, and he has the tools to be good hitter (decent pop, good bat control), but there is no way you can look at those numbers and tell me his bat isn’t questionable. I mean, his breakout season in the very hitter friendly Cal league featured a whopping .349 obp and a .781ops.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay

I would say that the aspect of his bat that is more questionable is his past performance. I don’t think that he’s shown a questionable bat this season, really. He’s in a slump right now, and the numbers are less impressive in AA right at the moment than they were a week or two ago.

The thing is that the main thing that he hadn’t shown previously was pop. He hat hit for decent averages and OBPs at approprate ages in previous seasons, but his SLG had never been above 360. But if you watch him in Frisco, it’s clear that he’s hitting the ball hard now, and I have to assume that he’s hitting it harder than he did in the past, given his numbers.

Also, I think that it’s worth noting that the MWL is a bad place for hitters. That’s where his poor numbers took place.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by Brett Perryman on Aug 3, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh

I get what your saying, but that first sentence sounded almost Joe Morganesque.

The only things that’s spotty in his performance up to this point is his performance up to this point.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 4, 2008 3:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Have you ever typed a sentence without proofing it

and then read it after you posted it and said, ‘wow, that makes no sense’? Yeah, that was one of those sentences.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by Brett Perryman on Aug 4, 2008 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Went with Vallejo...

Santana next.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 2, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply actions  

JV

again for me, been voting for him a while. I just think he’s got an incredible set of all around tools. If he’s able to continue to improve his hitting, he’ll be as good as any of our Mid IF prospects if not better than alot of them

by blalock84 on Aug 2, 2008 6:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Gomez

Everyone’s letting the injury overshadow just how good he’s been this year. He’ll be solid in Bakersfield next season then watch out. Gomez’s numbers this year are superior to everyone else on this list.

by Hull Fan on Aug 2, 2008 6:36 PM CDT reply actions  

To those of you who are inclined...

to pick Jose Vallejo, German Duran, or Robbie Ross at this spot, here is what I need to tell you:

"You've got to change your evil ways, baby, before I stop lovin' you. You've got to change, baby, and every word that I say is true.... I'm gettin' tried of waitin' and foolin' around."

SANTANA TIME!!!

Meet the M&M Gang: Mathis, Murray, Millwood, Mendoza, McCarthy. Watch these brave souls as they attempt such feats as brushing their teet, combing their hair, and sneezing without suffering season-ending injuries!

by YourNameHere on Aug 2, 2008 6:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Wait there's more...

I’m getting tired of waiting and fooling around.

Meet the M&M Gang: Mathis, Murray, Millwood, Mendoza, McCarthy. Watch these brave souls as they attempt such feats as brushing their teeth, combing their hair, and sneezing without suffering season-ending injuries!

by YourNameHere on Aug 2, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Santana

I voted for him. But only because today I feel like he’s a catching prospect. If he’s an OFer, I don’t think he goes above Duran and Vallejo.

I’d vote for Ross too, but I won’t vote for someone who is not yet signed

by JBImaknee on Aug 2, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

The twenty-somethings

Thanks, Dirkatron, for keeping the prospect rankings going. You are doing a great service for those of us who like to learn what others know about the future Rangers.

In my opinion, the minor leaguers who are likely to receive the largest number of votes in the next eight rounds readily fall into three groups:

Poised to Zoom up the Charts in 2009

Mitch Moreland – Despite playing in the pitcher-friendly MWL and suffering through a slump the last few weeks, Moreland is hitting 303/383/507/890. He is currently ranked 4th in OPS, 4th in slugging, 7th in OBP, and 8th in avg among qualified players in the MWL. Given that he has only recently become a one-way player (he was his team’s closer in college) and his power is only recently producing homeruns (he hit 7 of his 12 homers in July), don’t be surprised to see Moreland put up a 300/400/600/1000 line in the hitter-friendly Cal league next year.

Tim Murphy – A relatively polished college pitcher with 3 to 4 quality pitches that he can throw for strikes, Murphy is pitching out of the bullpen in Spokane to limit his innings. Thus far, he has pitched 23.2 innings and given up 12 hits, 11 walks, 2 HR, and 6 ER. He has 27 K’s, a 1.39 GO/FO ratio, an ERA of 2.28, and a WHIP below 1. Except for the fact that he is left-handed and weighs only 190 lbs, its hard to distinguish 2008 Tim Murphy from 2007 Tommy Hunter. Don’t be surprised to see Murphy fronting the Bakersfield rotation at the start of 2009 with an opportunity to rise quickly through the Ranger’s minor league system next year.

Jose Vallejo - He’s been discussed ad nauseum, so I won’t attempt to lay out his attributes. JD says Vallejo has done more for his status this year than any other prospect in the Rangers system. If he can improve his OPS and consistency next year in AA/AAA, then Vallejo is essentially guaranteed to get a chance to play in the majors.

Wilfredo Boscan – After catching the eye of Zywica and Jason Parks last year as a 17-year-old in the DSL, Boscan has not disappointed in his stateside debut this year in Spokane. Consistent with his performance last year, the 18-year-old right-hander has produced a 2.52 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 9.2 K/9IP, and 1.7 GO/FO ratio in 39.1 innings. Next year, Boscan should follow the trail blazed between Spokane and Clinton by Feliz and Holland and get his first taste of full-season minor league baseball. Hopefully, Boscan will have the same level of success in the MWL in 2009 that his two predecessors experienced in 2008.

Robbie Ross - The highly competitive lefty with a low-90’s fastball, a potentially plus breaking ball, and a developing change-up will have Fall Instructs and Spring Training to show whether he should get the Beavan treatment (starting in Clinton) or the NeRa treatment (starting in Spokane) in 2009. Whichever the case, Ross will almost certainly rank in the 10-15 range when we go through this exercise next year.

Still to come:
Extraordinarily talented but disappointing in 2008
Omar Poveda
Fabio Castillo
Christian Santana

Likely to Contribute Soon at the Major League Level
German Duran
Beau Jones
Andrew Laughter
Brennan Garr

by spurdynasty on Aug 2, 2008 8:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Bakersfield

If the reports are right, Moreland and Murphy will be in the Carolina League, meaning Moreland’s numbers will be hurt and Murphy’s will be helped.

by Andy Seiler on Aug 2, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Duran

Hey if you guys can hold him off until 25 I will indeed have had the privilege of voting for him 10x! I think I called it in 18-19

by bushe on Aug 2, 2008 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Johnny

gets my vote.

btw… I seriously need to get out water my tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, and egg plants. I actaully planted egg plants for the first time this year.

Anybody need any late gardening veggie tips, do let me know ;)

"Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle." - Nolan Ryan

by hurlerhurley on Aug 2, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

At least we'll know.....

You’ll be salmonella free. : )

I’ve been voting Vallejo since Neil Ramirez FWIW which is probably absolutely nothing.

by Kevin McBrayer on Aug 3, 2008 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn Kevin

I thought Jose Vallejo had already won in the top 20. I voted for him way before Johnny

Jose Vallejo is one of my favorite. I’ve been a fan :)

"Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle." - Nolan Ryan

by hurlerhurley on Aug 3, 2008 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna go with German Duran here

Myself, I think the list should finish out with Duran, Beau Jones and Vallejo in that order.

I’ve been considering how I would rank my own top 25, but I’m gonna wait until the final poll to post that (we are going to stop after #25, right?)

A Lonestar in California

We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.

by LSJ on Aug 3, 2008 6:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Probably after 25, yah

Interest seems to really be slowing down.

And 25 is a good number.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

25 is for losers

keep it going to 40!!!

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 3, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't someone I know say

40 trumps all?

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by Brett Perryman on Aug 3, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

26

we should go to 26, it’s 1 better than 25

people will talk about their top 25 prospects, and we’ll just say…yeah well we have a top 26!

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Aug 3, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

simple

but it seems so obvious… I think its SNTS

BTW love the avatar, watched season 1 on DVD this weekend, still love the big blue guy SPOON!

by bushe on Aug 4, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

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