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OT: McCain is going to win

Tiny by Sharky on

I dont even know if OT is allowed here anymore, but I'm going old school!

Anyways, yeah, title.

McCain takes 5 point lead in reuters poll:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKN1948672420080820

 

The money race..liberal media has told is it's a massive advantage for Obama. Oops, looks like they were doing what they do best, lie:

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/08/19/the-2008-money-race-stil-closer-than-you-think.aspx

Next we have real clear politics electoral map with no toss up states, which for the first time shows McCain +10

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10

Now lets touch on the polls most of which would give Obama a 2 to 6 point lead..lets just say I do not trust them. Due to Obama being black and the supposed public tendency to support a black candidate when polled but not in actuality because of fear of being perceived as racist, and the usual liberal bias in the polls run by the liberal media. Combine these two and at any given time I feel McCain is sitting with several points in hand not reflected in polls.

Then we get to the factor of it all comes down to a few swing states, Ohio, Florida, Pennslyvania, Virginia, Colorado, and Michigan. I feel that due to Hillary Clinton running very well in these states, McCain has an edge there.

Finally I feel like Obama is not very bright, therefore his campaign, probably run by a bunch of affirmative action unqualified minorities, has made mistep after mistep, compared to a savvy McCain campaign, and I feel confident that will continue. Latest case in point, Obamas veep frontrunners. As I understand it, Joe Biden and Katherine Sebelius. All I can say to that is..wtf? Joe Biden, no, really?

 

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Either McCain or Obama

will be a monumental improvement over the current administration. I haven’t decided which one to vote for yet, but I’ll be walking out of the voting booth with a smile either way. The Bush years have been an unrelenting disaster on nearly every issue, large and small.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 20, 2008 7:55 AM CDT   0 recs

That comment really annoys me

it is just a waste of space…you didn’t really provide anything worthwhile to the thread. And you had to start it off too.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 20, 2008 10:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't see

How that’s a waste of space. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess tball just showed more neutrality than anyone else in this thread will (myself included).

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Aug 20, 2008 10:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know

that’s why it bothers me…I like controversy.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 20, 2008 10:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Unlike most folks

I am really waiting to read the candidates’ policy proposals and positions before voting. I haven’t devoted the time to it yet, that’s why I’m not advocating one or the other right now.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 20, 2008 11:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was teasing around with you

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 20, 2008 11:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

candidates

Their proposals will be full of money we don’t have and can’t afford…

"The rich think they are privileged so rules don't apply to them, and the poor think they're entitled and so rules don't apply to them." The rest of us are screwed.

by A.Medina on Aug 20, 2008 1:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Amen

to that. So far both seem to have a completely unrealistic idea of what money is.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 20, 2008 2:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i liked it better...

… when you where at the bottom of the tank shark.

typical sharky post… no logic, only goes with the stories that back his OPINION, and is completely contrived out of typical “i only see the facts i like” conservatives.

Finally I feel like Obama is not very bright

now i ask, WTF? Seriously?…

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by ivysafety39 on Aug 20, 2008 8:00 AM CDT   0 recs

+1

If you’re not going to add to the conversation with your own educated opinions or conclusions, then don’t post a bulletin. It’s simple.

And no, “Finally I feel like Obama is not very bright, therefore his campaign, probably run by a bunch of affirmative action unqualified minorities, has made mistep after mistep” does not count as an educated or unbiased conclusion.

by hiafex on Aug 20, 2008 8:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

its sharky

its a given that some stuff is gonna be kind of out there…lol

is anyone gonna read obama nation? or have they read it?

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2008 8:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nope, not planning too

The guy who wrote it is about as unbiased as Sharky.
All the book does is preach to the choir.

by hiafex on Aug 20, 2008 8:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i realize how bad this sounds

but i kind of agree with something o’reilly said…

if obama didnt HELP corsi with the book i wouldnt be interested.

as it is with MOST political books you have to take it with a grain of salt but im interested in reading it…and of course its preaching to the right/middle…the goal of a book is to make money (too bad pelosi’s book has been sucking it up haha)

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by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2008 8:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"Not very bright"

I don’t think Obama handled himself last week in the pseudo-debate very well at all.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 20, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually, his problem

may be that he’s too smart and tries too hard to answer questions thoughtfully. In a campaign, short, concise answers are best. He needs to refine his thoughts and boil them down to quicker answers. That’s just a good principle for writing and speaking, and it’s definitely good campaigning in the tv age.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 20, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hey i agree (even as a conservative) with this statement a LOT

He needs to refine his thoughts and boil them down to quicker answers

he needs to have better, more concise answers.

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Then that would be mean he isn't smart

if he was too smart he would realize such a simplistic solution and exercise it.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 20, 2008 11:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nope

It means he’s being too cerebral about it. Over-thinking. He needs to dumb things down.

Two statements below, roughly paraphrased from Rick Warren’s question about abortion.

Obama: Well, I believe when you really consider all sides, we need to start getting together with all those who can make a difference and agree to reduce the number of abortions through any number of policy means…

McCain: Life starts at conception. End legalized abortion NOW.

Their (and your) political leanings aside, to which one did the audience respond better? Obama arguably gave the more intelligent, thought-out response, but McCain gave the one to which he knew his intended audience would respond most favorably.

(OT: Visiting from HH, can’t wait to watch the AL West race next year—with a few good arms the Rangers will be a heck of a lot more intimidating than Choakland and Starbucks [not as if they’re not already…]!)

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Aug 23, 2008 2:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Disclosure: Not a supporter of either canddidate at this point

Considering the tone and location of the debate/discussion, I don’t think Obama handled himself poorly. If McCain ever agreed to a debate conducted at and by the ACLU, I don’t believe he would handle himself with anywhere near the same class and skill as Obama handled himself with in an arena full of conservative Christians who have already decided for whom they will vote.

by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 20, 2008 4:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Heh

nice analogy. The campaign does seem to be taking its toll on both. I remember thinking early on that Obama was incredibly smooth, but now the strain is showing. McCain has gotten better at the same time, and as usual, the GOP has the candidate more likely to give the concise, homespun answers that resonate with most folks.

When will the Dems stop putting forth Adlai Stevenson? When will the GOP start producing great presidents and not just great candidates? (No, Reagan was not that great)

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 20, 2008 11:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmm....

Obama, Columbia undergrad degree… thats not a good school at all

Harvard Law degree, first black editor of the prestigous Harvard Law Review…

But Im sure he just glided through all of that school, probably barely passed, no biggy.

Its time...

by PM Productions on Aug 20, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

its sharky…

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2008 11:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Um, yah

It’s pretty obvious that was all affirmative action.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 20, 2008 1:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Proof?

I’m not endorsing affirmative action here (pretty cynical of its excesses) but I don’t see the basis for this being “obvious” here or even present to begin with.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Aug 23, 2008 2:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And you receive

an F in online sarcasm detection.

by brettgardner on Aug 23, 2008 2:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah

Duh. Been a long day…

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Aug 23, 2008 3:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not being very bright

didn’t hurt Bush’s election attempts, and Obama is head and shoulders smarter than that nitwit ever was.

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by DJCahill on Aug 20, 2008 8:01 AM CDT   0 recs

"Obama is head and shoulders smarter than that nitwit ever was."

No, he isnt.

Obama is dumb, he makes a lot of gaffes and cant think on his feet very well (at best he held his own in the Democrat debates).

It’s just fun to watch the savvier Repubs/McCain campaign outmaneuver the dumb Dems/Obama campaign strategically.

by Sharky on Aug 20, 2008 8:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

im actually very interested to see the debates

and see if obama actually does as well as everyone seems to think he does or if mccain holds his own.

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2008 8:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes,

Magna Cum Laudes at Harvard law are often dumber than C students like Bush.

Bush may be the dumbest president this country has ever had. I’m struggling trying to think of one dumber. Maybe in the 1800s.

What's the secret to a long life? "I masturbate a lot"-Ernest Borgnine. http://www.bestweekever.tv/2008/08/14/icymi-ernest-borgnine-reveals-his-secret-for-everlasting-youth/#onepage

by DJCahill on Aug 20, 2008 8:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

are you kidding me

most of what ive read online say that bush is in the middle of the pack when it comes to intelligence/IQ

the dumbest president EVER? …give me some more info thats NOT based on your opinions

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2008 9:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There's more to intelligence

than IQ.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 20, 2008 9:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

so you REALLY think hes the dumbest president ever?

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2008 9:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can't think of any objectively dumber

since WWII. Haven’t thought too much of the preWWII ones. Maybe one of the prewar republicans like Coolidge was dumber.

What's the secret to a long life? "I masturbate a lot"-Ernest Borgnine. http://www.bestweekever.tv/2008/08/14/icymi-ernest-borgnine-reveals-his-secret-for-everlasting-youth/#onepage

by DJCahill on Aug 20, 2008 9:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

give me some information regarding that

i want to see FACTS not opinions

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2008 9:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Facts...

like school grades?

Come on, if you don’t think Bush is dumb then you haven’t listend to the guy speak.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 20, 2008 5:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

come on, if you think you can grade how smart someone is by speaking you dont understand intelligence

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 21, 2008 7:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If someone says

it was a very good idea to invade Iraq before we finished the job in Afghanistan, I am giving them a low grade.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 21, 2008 9:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ha

I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA

by ivysafety39 on Aug 21, 2008 10:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dumb

Gee, I think I can get a blow job from a fat intern in the Oval Office…..that’s pretty dumb, in my opinion.

"I would like to extend to you an invitation to the pants party. The...party. With the...with the pants. Party with pants?"

by BrickTamland on Aug 20, 2008 9:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yet

the Democrats consider him a beacon of light. Pathetic.

"I would like to extend to you an invitation to the pants party. The...party. With the...with the pants. Party with pants?"

by BrickTamland on Aug 20, 2008 9:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hmm

having an extramarital sexual encounter in the Oval office is worse than killing (like their dead) thousands of innocent people???
Good reasoning you’ve got there Brickdouchebag

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by 8legs2fangs on Aug 20, 2008 9:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

show me some stats

killing THOUSANDS of innocent people?

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2008 9:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

George Bush killed thousands of innocent people?

I’m confused. When did he do that? I thought that is what they did to us.

"I would like to extend to you an invitation to the pants party. The...party. With the...with the pants. Party with pants?"

by BrickTamland on Aug 20, 2008 9:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Truman

I guess you would say that about Truman as well? I’m sure the country of Japan would agree. What would you say 8legsof you’re a pussy?

"I would like to extend to you an invitation to the pants party. The...party. With the...with the pants. Party with pants?"

by BrickTamland on Aug 20, 2008 9:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

in 1945 the count

was OVER 220,000

+ however many thousand died from radiation exposure

this included 3200 japanese american citizens

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2008 10:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So you would have advocated

invading Japan instead? Costing 3 or 4 times as many Japanese lives and a few hundred thousand American casaulties as well?

Truman’s decision on how to best END a war with Japan was IN NO WAY anything like the decision to START a NEW WAR in Iraq.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 20, 2008 10:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I dont think

that was the argument. The argument was regarding killing innocent people, not who started or ended what. Truman killed, by far, more innocent people.

"I would like to extend to you an invitation to the pants party. The...party. With the...with the pants. Party with pants?"

by BrickTamland on Aug 20, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm...

I think it is a mistake when people try to tie World War II into the current world situation.

Frankly, WWII was not a good time to be an “innocent person.” Pretty much every country participating in the war, with the exception of the US, thanks to two oceans, had many, many innocent civilians die. Add in the difficulty I have in labeling citizens of Japan “innocent” when their empire invaded and slaughtered millions of truly innocent Chinese for no reason other than for fun. WWII was a bad time, and not a valid comparison.

However, I think that in general, wars result in innocent lives lost, and ideally most wars wouldn’t have happened. Intelligent people can disagree about Bush without calling him a mass murderer. He isn’t Hitler or Stalin or Hirohito.

by JBImaknee on Aug 20, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i agree with you in principle

but 220,000 civilians killed trumps basically anything anyone can say i think.

bad time or not, say 20,000 military people were killed thats still 200,000 civilans killed.

However, I think that in general, wars result in innocent lives lost, and ideally most wars wouldn’t have happened. Intelligent people can disagree about Bush without calling him a mass murderer. He isn’t Hitler or Stalin or Hirohito.

+1000000000000000000000

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2008 11:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

@KOKing & Brick

I don’t understand how people can still defend Bush’s decision to invade Iraq. Please enlighten.

by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 20, 2008 4:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

arguement

is about if bush has killed “thousands” of innocent civilians

truman was brought up and someone said that it was a mistake to compare the two

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by knockoutking on Aug 21, 2008 7:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i supported the invasion under the original information.

i do not think it was a good idea to have the most volotile leader in (probably) the world be in an area that explosive but thats not a good enough reason to go in and invade the country.

the fact of the matter is that we are there now and if we pull our troops out tomorrow (all of them) the country will be in a worse situation then before.

(the arguement above was that bush killed “thousands” of innocent civilians btw not the invasion of iraq)

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by knockoutking on Aug 21, 2008 10:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe

a Volatile leader who has fought a war with Iran before is exactly who you want next to Iran.

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by DJCahill on Aug 21, 2008 1:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

so a leader

who supports suicide bombers in israel (25k per family), who has used WMDs (chemical or biological? dont remember) on iran and has invaded kuwait is GOOD to have in the middle east?

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 21, 2008 1:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I suppose you prefer

Iraq knowing they have nothing to worry about from anyone when developing nukes? Its not real surprising they turned it up a notch right after the invasion of Iraq.

What's the secret to a long life? "I masturbate a lot"-Ernest Borgnine. http://www.bestweekever.tv/2008/08/14/icymi-ernest-borgnine-reveals-his-secret-for-everlasting-youth/#onepage

by DJCahill on Aug 21, 2008 1:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

they should know that israel has no problem

with striking at their nuclear sites, i bbelieve they did so in the late 80s

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by knockoutking on Aug 21, 2008 1:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ask hillary and most democrats

to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...

by Longhorn on Aug 21, 2008 3:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Predictable Neo-Con drivel

If someone who is allegedly trustworthy comes to you and tells you that someone is going to break into your house tonight, what are you going to do?

The information provided by the administration was, at best, incomplete and at worst, chock full o’ lies.

Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Cheney are bereft of any moral integrity and three of the more evil people in our great country.

by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 22, 2008 1:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bush killed more Americans

by getting us into Iraq by lying to the Americans and the World about WMDs and ties to AlQaida than Alqaida did on 9/11.

US Deaths in Iraq 4144
US Deaths on 9/11 2974

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by DJCahill on Aug 20, 2008 10:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If I'm not mistaken

It is the insurgents and the terrorist organizations who are killing our soldiers. The enemy. Whether you agree with why we are there or not, to say Bush KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE is just stupid.

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by BrickTamland on Aug 20, 2008 10:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What insurgents and Terrorist organizations

were in Iraq before we moved in? Was there some hotbed of insurgency and terrorism we didn’t know about?

What's the secret to a long life? "I masturbate a lot"-Ernest Borgnine. http://www.bestweekever.tv/2008/08/14/icymi-ernest-borgnine-reveals-his-secret-for-everlasting-youth/#onepage

by DJCahill on Aug 20, 2008 10:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just because...

We did not find WMDs (which according to military intelligence friends of mine were moved during the time Saddam was stalling the weapons inspectors, but who knows?) doesn’t mean that Iraq was not involved or associated with those organizations. I was not in Iraq. I was not friends with Saddam, so technically I do not know his associations. But to think that you do know all of the details of the innerworkings of the Iraqi government is extremely arrogant.

This is a no-win conversation. There is about a 98% chance that we don’t know the entire story. The difference between you and me is that you actually think you know everything. If you do, then congrats.

"I would like to extend to you an invitation to the pants party. The...party. With the...with the pants. Party with pants?"

by BrickTamland on Aug 20, 2008 10:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh

and Go Rangers.

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by BrickTamland on Aug 20, 2008 10:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK. I'm sorry, but this really bothers me.

I don’t like to get involved in these types of things anymore, because it’s childish, but this is asinine.

“Just because…We did not find WMDs (which according to military intelligence friends of mine were moved during the time Saddam was stalling the weapons inspectors, but who knows?) doesn’t mean that Iraq was not involved or associated with those organizations.”

The United States engaged in a war because Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. We now know that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction. To call this anything more than a war based solely on false pretense is not just insulting to our intelligence, it’s insulting to the total badasses over there fighting this war for America.

There is absolutely no excuse for this war. It’s coming out now that the evidence was very shaky at best, and it makes Bush seem awful eager to jump into an international conflict.

The bottom line is that there is no reason for the United States to be in Iraq. If you really want to argue that the United States needed to remove Saddam Hussein, you’re playing into the government’s hands by justifying the death of thousands of brave Americans by changing the reason we’re there.

The United States has thousands of its citizens in harm’s way, for what appears to be no defensible reason. That is a failure of leadership, that is a failure of government, and that is a failure of the ideals upon which this country was founded.

Aside from that, I have no opinion.

"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer

by ghtd36 on Aug 20, 2008 10:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

but

they did have WMD’s. I know so. They simply moved them…

"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain

by dstar442005 on Aug 20, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Probably Not

Most of the intelligence used to justify the war didn’t come from CIA or intelligence services at the DoD directly. A White House team was sent to the Pentagon to do what Sharky does: pick out what looks good and leave out the rest. There were other opinions within Army and Navy Intelligence as well as CIA but somehow that information never made it to the public. Go figure.

I ask you, why would Iraq move their WMDs when they could’ve used them against the American convoys rolling toward Basra and Baghdad, preventing or at least delaying the fall of the regime? It doesn’t make sense. If they would’ve had them they probably would’ve used them, and the fact that they had actually used them before in the 1980s suggests that they would.

by Black Francis on Aug 20, 2008 4:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

so your saying iraq NEVER had WMDs and there was ZERO evidence that they had WMDs before we invaded?

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They had them at one time

…and that time wasn’t 2003.

by Black Francis on Aug 20, 2008 4:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

its been answered

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 21, 2008 7:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

umm

saddam hussein:
genocide
killed 100,000+ kurds
killed betweeen 60,000 and 150,000 sunis

you dont consider his gov’t a terrorist organization?

from CFR
What type of terrorist groups did Iraq support under Saddam Hussein’s regime?

Primarily groups that could hurt Sadd