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Some afternoon linkaliciousness

A couple of prospecty chats today...Jim Callis has one up at ESPN, and among other things, he says Teagarden has more trade value than Salty and that Smoak > Daric Barton...

Kevin Goldstein also has a chat up with lots of Rangers stuff, including some Derek Holland love and some thoughts on Elvis Andrus and Julio Borbon...

Keith Law has a lengthy explanation as to how major league deals for draftees work, and what the ramifications are...

He also blasts Jim Bowden for not getting Aaron Crow signed...

And before anyone asks...unless the Rangers start losing a whole lot more games, or Crow really sucks with the Cats, Crow isn't likely to be on the board when the Rangers pick in 2009...

John Barten has the new THT Awards up, and Matt Harrison gets a somewhat dubious honor this week...

 

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Smoak > Barton

isn’t that very obvious?

to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...

by Longhorn on Aug 20, 2008 3:00 PM CDT   0 recs

I can see

Goldstein’s take on Andrus.

“he’s plus defender, singles hitting shortstop with speed and no other secondary skills. So everyday SS who hits 7th or 8th — I’m not too excited”

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by DJCahill on Aug 20, 2008 3:00 PM CDT   0 recs

One reason I like Andrus

…and I don’t think that Goldstein is sensitive enough to this…is that Andrus shows a willingness to draw walks, to go along with overall improvement over the course of a year at a level. For the year Andrus only draws a walk every 12.8 official at-bats and has an OBP of .340, but since the minor league ASB, he is right at what I see as an important line of one per ten, and his OBP is .360. A 19 year old with a .360 OBP in AA is not, in my mind, necessarily destined for the bottom of an order, or for poor on-base numbers in general.

Borbon is different. He’s three years older, has grown up in the more walk-friendly American environment, and when you compare his AA BA of .316 and his very poor very poor walk rate of one per 24.5 official at-bats, he’s simply a guy with no interest in taking bases on balls.

One thing I don’t get here. He says that Andrus is a plus defender with speed and a singles hitter – but with no other secondary skills. That smacks of bias to me. What other skills could he possibly have? There is only one more. Power. He doesn’t think that Andrus will hit for power, and without an outlandish OBP he’s just not going to like him.

I don’t know if Andrus will hit for 13-15 HR power (or hit a plus number of doubles), but to say that a player does everything but hit for power, then conclude that he has no other secondary skills, that’s pretty weak.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 20, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, if he is even

a cheap and slightly better hitting Adam Everett, that’d be fine by me. Honestly you fill a slot like that for cheap, and get good defense, and use the money for pitching or a good COF, and that’d be great.

My concern with him is that I hear so much about his defense, but isn’t Andrus leading the Texas league in Errors? I know Errors are a bad stat and all that, but, since there probably aren’t any advanced defensive stats, isn’t it a concern when the guy who’s number one attribute is defense is near the top in errors?

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by DJCahill on Aug 20, 2008 4:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

And that’s why I would resist the temptation to promote him too early. If you call him up next year or start 2010 with him as your SS, he could be not so cheap by the time he’s actually an asset (and that goes for both offense and defense).

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 20, 2008 4:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think what he's saying is...

It looks like we can’t expect another A-Rod. It looks like we’re stuck with another Alan Trammell-, Robin Yount-, Derek Jeter-, Ozzie Smith-, or Omar Vizquel-type.

MLB Commissioner's Office Press Release: Because 23 is now considered old, the physical required before draftees can sign must now include a prostate exam.

by YourNameHere on Aug 20, 2008 4:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Man, I'd hate

to be “stuck” with one of those…geez…what garbage…

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by Dirk Diggler on Aug 20, 2008 4:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Aug 20, 2008 5:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

Although a post-ASB BABIP in the area of .365 (imprecise, but somewhere in that range) suggests that his post-ASB OBP has been aided just a little bit by luck in the batting average department; that being said, his walk rate has been quite solid since that awful April, and even more so when you remember that he’s still a week away from his 20th birthday and in AA ball.

Of course, I sorta tuned out from Goldstein’s opinions on Andrus when he wrote this back on June 19th:

Stock Report: Down significantly. Scouts are tired of hearing about how young and toolsy he is; he’s at Double-A and it’s time to produce.

Guh.

by jamcadbury on Aug 20, 2008 6:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Cahill

bribed him to say that.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 20, 2008 7:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A wise man.

Young and toolsy gets you Arias and Gil when they get old. At some point its time to produce on the field.

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by DJCahill on Aug 21, 2008 2:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

But, again…he’s 19 and in AA ball, and more or less holding his own offensively. I’m just not worried about Andrus right now.

by jamcadbury on Aug 21, 2008 4:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

when did Arias

have a .380 OBP? Or draw walks in 8-9% of his plate appearances? Andrus is no Arod, but he’s not Arias either. Gil put up somewhat similar numbers at 19 — but he did it in the Sally league, not in AA.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 21, 2008 1:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

or...Hanley Ramirez and Jose Reyes

both of whom I’m sure you thought were WAY overrated as prospects

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 21, 2008 11:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Whittleton promoted to Frisco

after fox was moved up a level to take Arias’ spot

by Goyogringo on Aug 20, 2008 3:15 PM CDT   0 recs

lets see

if a hot run in the playoffs can save his season….

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by hinduplaya on Aug 20, 2008 3:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Whittleman

From a guy who’s been psyched on him at points, I couldn’t be more meh’d out on John Whittleman.

Here’s hoping he’s not a headcase or injured or otherwise not cutting it. That guy can command the strike zone even when he’s off, but it still gets uuuugly.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Aug 20, 2008 4:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

All is not lost...

In his 29 game showing in Bakersfield in 2007, John Whittleman definitely raised expectations with a line of .240/.372/.413. So yeah, going .257/.370/.392 in ‘08 probably gives you a case of the “Mehs”. But keep in mind that he’s 21, and using the Scott Lucas data (the online Bible on the subject), he’s younger than at least 83% of High-A Ball. And if asked to repeat next year in Bakersfield, using our Sacred Text, he’d still be younger than 62.8% of his peers.

MLB Commissioner's Office Press Release: Because 23 is now considered old, the physical required before draftees can sign must now include a prostate exam.

by YourNameHere on Aug 20, 2008 4:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a good point

Although I would caution that a 22-year-old with such a high pedigree in High A is starting to push it a bit, and most minor leaguers in High A never reach the majors to begin with.

by jamcadbury on Aug 20, 2008 6:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Right

he’s repeating a league for the 2nd time, and for the 2nd time in an unimpressive fashion.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 20, 2008 7:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no way he repeats imo

you have to question the ceiling for a high draft pick he stays for 1 1/2 yrs at each level without making a significant jump at any of them. Also, he raised his average to, well, average, only in th last month it seems and his power # s and rbi totals are much worse than last year. By those measures there is not alot to get excited about…

by Goyogringo on Aug 20, 2008 6:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If Andrus & Borbon....

end up with a good average, plus speed, and plus defense at two premium positions then I would be fine with that. He acts as if a slick fielding SS and CF who steals 40 bags and hits close to .300 with a .330-.340 OBP is nothing to be excited about. I don’t get it.

by erikj07 on Aug 20, 2008 3:17 PM CDT   0 recs

If they steal

10 bases in 19 attempts, like Borbon has in AA, that would make them useless.

I’m not sure hitting 300 in the minors projects to hitting 300 in the majors.

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by DJCahill on Aug 20, 2008 3:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i think....

that it is not a stretch to project each of them hitting around .300 and stealing around 40 bags in the majors while playing very good defense.

by erikj07 on Aug 20, 2008 3:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Aug 20, 2008 3:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hey boomer

how many gold medals has the OU track team or swim team won in china so far?

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Aug 20, 2008 3:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not keeping up with the olympics

Not a good Sooner am I…lol

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Aug 20, 2008 3:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just for you, boomer1

Longhorns Rule…Hook ’em Horns

Go Taylor Teagarden

by awillis111 on Aug 20, 2008 5:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks

Look foward to the second week in October. See you @ the West End.

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Aug 20, 2008 5:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you live in Dallas?

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Aug 20, 2008 5:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sweet

There are only a couple of guys in all of MLB that fit that description this year and the Rangers have 2 of their own just about to hit the big leagues. Man, we are set!!!!

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by DaheelzCM on Aug 20, 2008 3:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It never ceases to amaze me

how many perennial All-Stars we have in our minors every year.

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by DJCahill on Aug 20, 2008 3:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So right now...

He’s struggling on the base paths. He was 36 for 43 at stealing bases Bakersfield. If you’re placing wagers on any given prospect, it’s rare that you’d take even odds, but I think you’re using a pretty small amount of information to rule out a guy who’s in the youngest fifth of his league (although, to be fair, Double-A does have its share of journeymen) and is starting to show that his bat is catching up to the glove we keep reading about.

MLB Commissioner's Office Press Release: Because 23 is now considered old, the physical required before draftees can sign must now include a prostate exam.

by YourNameHere on Aug 20, 2008 5:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

13 for 22 now

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 20, 2008 7:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

14 for 23

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 21, 2008 11:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed EJ07

and i really think that as we see the game become less and less about steriods and power, we will see the other assets (speed, fielding, pitching) become more and more valuable. we’ve already seen that happening to a certain extent.

i also think a lot of these prospect guru’s would have been the types to say the prospect ricky henderson didnt have enough power so he isnt a complete hitter and that he probably wouldnt be more than a bottom of the order guy.

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Aug 20, 2008 3:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

thats a bold projection

seeing neither of them have seen big league time and like DJ said, they havent produced like that on the basis in the minors. how does that translate to majors in a positive mannor?

by thad728 on Aug 20, 2008 3:27 PM CDT   0 recs

This comment from Goldstein seems Beavan-topical
Brian (brooklyn): You cant teach velocity but cant improved mechanis (learned) increase velocity?

Kevin Goldstein: Actually, and quite often, improved mechanics create LESS velocity, because they take a lot of the violence out of the delivery, which can be the cause of velocity — it’s a slippery slope. Improved command and control? sure. But velocity, not really.

I tend to think that this is more what has happened to Beavan than fatigue. We’ll see I guess.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 20, 2008 3:37 PM CDT   0 recs

what he calls violence

is just speed of movement. yes, pitching is an explosive activity. slowing em down just stresses the arm more (and lowers velocity). slow and controlled does not = improved mechanics.

by SteveP on Aug 20, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Whatever it's called

They’ve altered Beavan’s delivery in a manner that is more asthetically pleasing and that they think reduces his potential to injure himself, and that has corresponded to a season long drop in velocity. I don’t think it’s a coincidence.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 20, 2008 3:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i get a little concerned

about how all the pitchers today have to pitch a certain way or its wrong. pitching didnt used to be like that and im not sure the answer to pitching is like an answer to a math problem. there is no absolutes in anything really, and to think that every pitcher has to have the same mechanics and they must be perfect or it should be altered, i just have a huge problem with.

its kinda like our pitching dev. system, why is it that every kid learns a 2 seamer, a change and then a slider, in our system even arm angle is like that. arent each individual pitchers makeup and body different. some kid might have the makeup and ability to have the best slurve in baseball or the best cutter in baseball or the best 4 seamer in baseball and we wouldnt know it b/c we treat all the pitchers the same.

that worries me a ton with our dev. and after danks and his cutter and volqueso and his arm slot change, it really really worries me.

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Aug 20, 2008 3:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

one of the things said

i think in Grant’s mailbag, was that nolan would “simplify” the pitching instruction. hopefully that will take the focus away from uniform delivery styles, etc.

by SteveP on Aug 20, 2008 4:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's philosophy is fine...

…if you are only targeting a particular type of pitcher and putting them in the same program. Like the Cardinals who only draft guys that meet a certain mechanical criteria. However, we seem to do the right thing and draft/LA sign the best available talent and then try to make them meet a certain mechanical criteria, which like you say, makes no sense. Every body type is different. Every guy has an arm slot that he is most confident and effective in. Some guys aren’t best suited to be a sinker/slider guy. It scary as hell when the future of the orginization is basically in their hands.

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by badradiorules on Aug 20, 2008 4:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

IIRC...

…someone said that Erik Thompson’s injury problems were the result of the organization jacking with his mechanics, which were unorthodox…

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 20, 2008 4:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe

it was BGL that said that.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Aug 20, 2008 6:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i don't agree with him there.

It’s more of a case to case basis…and by the way, improved mechanics is the OPINION of that particular team and their ‘pitching people’…

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by Longhorn on Aug 20, 2008 4:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I tend to agree with you

How else would you explain Chris Young’s jump when he was like 25 and had just worked extensively on mechanical changes with our minor league instructors? How about McCarthy? Just like changing something mechanically can take away velocity, reversing that in essence can add it back so that you’re closer to reaching your maximum velocity. Heck, maybe you make a mechanical adjustment that adds velocity because it takes away movement.

But I do think that what he is describing fits Beavan’s scenario, and I think that while he is surely fatigued, his connection of the two is mostly wishful thinking.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 20, 2008 4:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Holland credied the Clinton staff for doing some cleanup in his motion

that helped his fastball and slider….

ill try to find the link

by laxtonto on Aug 20, 2008 5:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Early reports on 2009 from Perfect Game and BA might give us some hope

that Crow could fall to the middle of the 1st round next year. Lot of buzz on some prep arms compared to this year. I wouldn’t write it off at this point.

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Aug 20, 2008 3:58 PM CDT   0 recs

I don't think crow

will fall to rangers between 12-14 especially with the reinsertion of the Nats at #10 in the draft pushing the rangers down a slot say 13-15. What i hope is that Scheppers works his way back into the top 10, along with crow, to give us a chance to snag someone who is falling…

by Goyogringo on Aug 20, 2008 4:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

Washington may get get their re-do before the Rangers pick, but they ain’t taking Crow again.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Aug 20, 2008 6:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Crow may fall out of the1st round

Don’t forget that he was consider the 2nd best SP in a weak pitching class.

In alot of ways he kinda loses the benefit of the doubt now in most scoutingvcircles and would have to perform even better than last year to get t he same type of interest

Add to the fact that he will heavily scrutinized now, with scouts not just asking how does he match up with the other college arms, but should even be considered 1st round talent

by laxtonto on Aug 20, 2008 5:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He can't do better than last year

as the talent he will be competing against doesnt even compare. Clubs will rest their hats on this year’s evals of him; there is no reason not too if he is healthy

by Goyogringo on Aug 20, 2008 5:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OT: Set your alarms

Strasburg vs. the Cubans on Friday morning

by FirebatM3 on Aug 20, 2008 3:58 PM CDT   0 recs

Web Broadcast

I’d try the web broadcast (assuming it exists) over the television. I taped the USA vs China game, but the coverage only picked up in the sixth.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Aug 20, 2008 3:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Same thing with Taipei

I think it was the 5th.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 20, 2008 4:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

China game

pretty entertaining

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by badradiorules on Aug 20, 2008 4:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

you wouldn’t want to miss the 77th hour of beach volleyball.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 20, 2008 7:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Personally

it’d be better for me if they just kept showing the young Chinese team.

by FirebatM3 on Aug 20, 2008 9:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And tonight the IOC

decides that maybe some of the Chinese gymnist girls might not be 16. NO WAY!

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 21, 2008 11:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And 14

is just not legal anywhere.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 22, 2008 12:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Mention of another metroplex kid in Callis' chat
Lou (Boulder, CO): Jim, thanks for taking the time to answer questions today. Can you provide some information on last minute Red Sox sign, Carson Blair? Late emerging prospect who will take Kelly’s spot when Kelly becomes a full-time pitcher next year, or just organizational filler?

SportsNation Jim Callis: Well, you don’t pay $200,000 for just organziation player. He wasn’t highly touted, in part because a foot injury slowed him as a junior. He has some size, strength and athleticism and projects as a third baseman. Hey, I had him ranked at No. 104 on my Texas prospect list as part of our Draft Preview!

Blair went to Liberty Christian in Argyle and signed about as late as you can sign. He was in the same district as Rangers’ draftee Matt Thompson (Arlington Grace Prep).

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by SaltyDawg on Aug 20, 2008 4:05 PM CDT   0 recs

Intl signing bonuses 04 and 05?

Does anyone happen to know the signing bonuses for our 04 and 05 intl fa signs?

by Goyogringo on Aug 20, 2008 4:30 PM CDT   0 recs

catchers

only 1 type A and 4 type B catchers bodes well for rangers trade possibilities

by Goyogringo on Aug 20, 2008 5:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I only see 2 type Bs

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 20, 2008 5:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

nevermind

I was only looking at the AL.

Also I can almost guarantee Pudge won’t get offered arbitration. Varitek is 50/50. Loduca has already been DFAd I believe although I don’t know how that affects FA type. And Kendall is also probably 50/50 whether or not he gets offered arbitration.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 20, 2008 5:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Kendall

had his contract vested for 2009 already.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=784585

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by Dirk Diggler on Aug 20, 2008 5:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good point though

Every single one of these guys is at the very tail end of his career too.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 20, 2008 5:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs