Obama/Biden ticket it is....
http://news.yahoo.com/story//ap/veepstakes
CNN is covering the story as well on the tube.... seems to balance the ticket somewhat providing in areas Obama maybe lacking in terms of foreign policy experience as well as tenure in in the senate. If he keeps from sticking his foot in his mouth, he may be able to gain some of those moderate democrates that perhaps are on the fence. I like biden, im not sure i want him as being a lunatic away from being leader of the freeworld, but present me with a better option i say.
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So, I know not everyone
is going to agree with the “theory” that its important to “balance the ticket”… but does a relatively liberal US senator from Delaware really do much for Obama? I guess he adds a little foreign policy credibility to a democrat ticket, and a lot of experience. I’m a Conservative, so I’m curious to those that are leaning towards voting for Obama…
How much does Biden do for you?
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
by tdi1985 on
Aug 23, 2008 1:21 AM CDT
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Well, for me...
…I like the pick. I think it’s the “safe” pick, if there is such a thing. He’s an excellent debater, putting the onus on McCain to find someone who can match up with him in the VP debates. He’s got tons and tons of foreign policy experience, which is where McCain was really attacking. And beyond that, he should be an excellent attack dog for Obama. If his “The only things that come out of Rudy Giuliani’s mouth are noun, verb and 9-11” is any indication, the Obama campaign is about to hit back and hit back hard.
I think it’s a good choice. I think it also shows the confidence that Obama has in his chances to carry Indiana and Virginia. It would have been easy to say “We’ll take Tim Kaine so Virginia goes blue” or Evan Bayh with Indiana. He didn’t do that, which is an interesting move. It also reminds me of the ’92 election, the last time the Dems won big, when they abandoned the idea of balancing the ticket regionally and ended up picking two Southerners (Clinton from Arkansas, Gore from Tennessee).
All I know is that with Biden in the race, there is going to be a lot more attacking of McCain coming soon.
Overall, though, I like the choice.
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by ghtd36 on
Aug 23, 2008 1:27 AM CDT
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Yep...
I love it. I’m a big Biden guy and I think the experience he brings is what Obama needed the most. As you said, Joe isn’t afraid to pull punces either. I love how straight forward he is.
Great dem ticket in my opinion. I would have loved to flip them with Biden as the nominee and Obama the VP but it was clear in the beginning that Joe had no chance to win the nomination. Now if they can just show that they have a pair and not let the republican smear machine run them through the wringer during the campaign I will be a happy man.
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by slc ranger on
Aug 23, 2008 1:46 AM CDT
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But the way our country is...
don’t you think a regionally unbalanced ticket from the south, for democrats is a lot more effective than a regionally unbalanced ticket from the north? I mean, a lot of the north-eastern states are still a foregone conclusion for the democrats, no matter how you look at it.
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by tdi1985 on
Aug 23, 2008 8:48 AM CDT
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well i'm guessing it'll be
“noun, verb, pow”
it was really lame and mysterious why the mccain campaign dude, while hitting back at obama for attacking mccain for not knowing how many houses he had, said, “mccain lived in 1 hourse for 5 years…in vietnam”
um, okay?
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by gossamer on
Aug 23, 2008 1:31 PM CDT
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I have mixed feelings about it
He’s one of my favorite Democrats, but the guy is a little on the volatile side. They seem like completely different personalities to me, which I guess could be either a good or bad thing. I guess the thinking is he’d be good for campaigning, like ghtd said, and also good as part of the government.
I suppose I don’t really have a problem with it.
by Black Francis on
Aug 23, 2008 1:42 AM CDT
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Obama/Biden
How can Obama honestly claim he’s some sort of agent for change and that he can break the partisan gridlock of Washington, and pick one of the longest-serving, most liberal senators? Obama is a hypocrite like all the rest of them.
by Randy Richardson on
Aug 23, 2008 1:51 AM CDT
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I'd hardly call
Biden a “Washington Insider.”
It doesn’t sound like you’re much interested, though.
by brettgardner on
Aug 23, 2008 2:11 AM CDT
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well,
I don’t know what your definition of Washington insider is, but Biden is pretty clearly a liberal democrat who doesn’t have much of a record of working across party lines for change.
by Randy Richardson on
Aug 23, 2008 2:53 AM CDT
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Wrong.
He worked with a diverse group last year, including Sam Brownback, who’s about as far on the other side of the aisle as it gets, to include his Federal Iraq amendment to the Defense Authorization bill.
This year he’s worked with Dick Lugar to provide additional Pakistani aid in order to alleviate some of the major procedural problems there.
Last year he also co-sponsored a bill with Orrin Hatch to strengthen cyber-crime laws. Personally, I thought it was a mediocre attempt at a good idea, but that’s really beside the point.
Those are just a few examples off the top of my head. I would never argue that he’s a DINO, but to say that he’s some mindless puppet who never values the input or ideas of others seems, to me, to be incorrect.
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Aug 23, 2008 3:18 AM CDT
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Biden
Come on, I didn’t say he never worked with Republicans. Those are fairly politically neutral examples.
I don’t think he’s a mindless puppet either, he’s obviously an intelligent guy who is a solid senator. I just don’t think Obama, “change”, and Biden go together. I think Kaine would have been a better choice. Who cares that Biden has Nat Sec experience? That’s what a Sec of State, NSA, etc are for.
by Randy Richardson on
Aug 23, 2008 8:37 AM CDT
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Not working with republicans = change
Since the nations horrendous mistake of electing Reagan in 1980, the GOP has totally screwed up the country. For 30 years. The party has no good ideas at all. I’d much rather not have someone with much experience working with the immoral GOP.
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Aug 23, 2008 9:11 AM CDT
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I'm not going to argue with you about Reagan
because it doesn’t seem like there is anything that can be said to deter you from that stream of thought…
But you just completely discount the Contract with America in 1994? The Republicans have no ideas? I’d agree with that about today’s party… but that’s sort of the case with both parties right now. But you think the 1994 Republicans had no ideas?
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by tdi1985 on
Aug 23, 2008 9:15 AM CDT
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I'm referring to good ideas.
From the time Reagan took down the solar panels, to the time he supported Islamic terrorists unnecessarily against a dying Soviet Union, to the time he unnecessarily plunged us a couple of extra trillion into debt to unnecessarily bring down the dying Soviet Union slightly quicker, to the politics of personal destruction they perfected over 8 Clinton years, to the USA Patriot Act, Iraq War, and finally “drill everywhere but for gods sakes don’t support conservation!”, they are a party opposed to everything I stand for.
by PatrickWalz on
Aug 23, 2008 9:20 AM CDT
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you said for 30 years...
and no good ideas… I wasn’t arguing whether or not they had bad ideas…
everyone in the history of the earth has had bad ideas. I was saying that it is unreasonable for you to say that they have had no good ideas.
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by tdi1985 on
Aug 23, 2008 9:24 AM CDT
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30 years goes back to Reagan.
Should I have said 98% bad ideas?
I agree with the GOP on virtually no issues that are of dispute.
I used to be closer to them on a few issues, but the Dem’s have since moved right on most of those (guns, trade) but that’s about it.
Nuclear power is probably the ONLY issue I’ll agree with the GOP more on.
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Aug 23, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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Drill everywhere
Yeah, the GOP ALWAYS wants more drilling, less conservation, and no other alternatives.
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by DaheelzCM on
Aug 23, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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I agree
With your last sentiment, but I just think you’re falling into the easiest rhetorical trap out there.
It’s seemed that whenever ANYTHING happens in the Obama campaign, somebody pipes in with the obligatory, “I thought you were about ‘change’.”
The fact is, Obama had to pick a vice-president, he has to play the game of getting elected, and I honestly don’t think eitherof those things are exclusive of “changing” the political climate. Now, I don’t think that it’s a very likely event, but I can’t place the blame for that at Obama’s feet.
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Aug 23, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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when it came down to it...
he needed someone with experience because he has so little.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
by tdi1985 on
Aug 23, 2008 9:39 AM CDT
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For the most part.
But I expressed below what I feel about that.
by brettgardner on
Aug 23, 2008 9:44 AM CDT
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I must have missed the Reagan memo
where ‘liberal’ became a go-to term for ‘bad political leader.’ It’s funny how a word for such a benign set of collective political beliefs has become borderline slanderous to use in any context. It certainly shouldn’t be any more ‘dirty’ a word than ‘conservative’ is. It’s a bland, over-simplified way of writing off an entire politician with one word, rather than analyzing the individual. It’s why I hate both of the words.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 23, 2008 3:19 AM CDT
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liberal
I used the word to describe Biden as being to the left of the average Democrat. Nothing derogatory about that.
by Randy Richardson on
Aug 23, 2008 8:39 AM CDT
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I hate to boil it down to words too...
but you have to acknowledge the usefulness of labels. I don’t mean to cause any problems, but is it just me, or do left-leaning people tend to hate labels more than right-leaning people? Maybe its the result of right-leaning people working towards making the word “liberal” a dirty word, but if you don’t like the use of the word then to some degree, you’re accommodating the connotation!
He obviously doesn’t like liberal-democrats, that is clear in his connotation, but why do you have to hate the phrase? Why should liberal-democrat make you feel any worse than conservative-republican makes me feel? (that’s how I label myself).
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by tdi1985 on
Aug 23, 2008 8:56 AM CDT
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I have no idea
but it seems like someone on this blog objected to me calling Bush a fascist conservative. Don’t see that as being any worse than calling liberals socialists.
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Aug 23, 2008 9:04 AM CDT
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well, no one called Biden a socialist
in this discussion, but I suppose you’re talking about people calling Obama a socialist.
My point in this discussion was more that people seem more sensitive to the phrase “liberal-democrat” than to the phrase “conservative-republican”
and the most interesting thing to add to that… is that it is so unpopular to be a republican right now.
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Dems need to work on marketing
and find a way to spend “Big Borrowing” conservatives the same way “Big Spending” is tied to Democrats.
After all, the Repubs proved in 2000-2006 that they don’t spend less than the Dems. They just piss it away on different things. Bridges to Nowhere, Giveaways to Agribusiness, more Medicare entitlements. Republicans are every bit as fond of bloated government as Democrats, they just want their friends getting the kickbacks.
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Aug 23, 2008 9:15 AM CDT
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hah...
well I have no arguments with your statements there… there is a virus in Washington, and there are very few prescriptions for it. Obama isn’t going to be any better than McCain when it comes to spending/borrowing… if anything, McCain should be appealing in that he thought the Bush Tax Cuts were irresponsible with increased spending, and that he is a pretty strong and consistent opponent of pork spending!
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Aug 23, 2008 9:18 AM CDT
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McCain
has been saying there won’t be new taxes. There is a lot of blasting of Obama for his new taxes.
Personally, I’d rather see one of the candidates come out with the spending they plan on cutting, but both are mum about that because realistically both candidates are going to spend like drunk sailors on shore leave.
I think McCain has the easier message to sell. After all, a lot of Americans are Dumb enough to believe you can spend money without assessing taxes, and it all works out. It’s easy to sell Santa Claus and the Tooth fairy in this country.
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by DJCahill on
Aug 23, 2008 9:21 AM CDT
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if anyone
had the nerve to cut spending, I’d be excited, republican or democrat. Neither will do it, but I think you’re more likely to see spending controlled by McCain than Obama. Of course… you are right, Obama might do more to cut the gap…. but it’s a matter of perspective on how you want to get there.
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by tdi1985 on
Aug 23, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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Well,
I used to be able to buy that, til 2000-2006. Now im voting Dem because at least there will be offsetting taxes to the spending.
If McCain wants my vote, he could make a list of where he is going to cut $50-$100 billion annually.
Barring that, I’ll go with the more sane fiscal approach of paying for what you spend.
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Aug 23, 2008 9:44 AM CDT
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mccains...
…vison on money isn’t lucid… he can’t go three days without sticking his foot in his mouth regarding something with finance… either his homes, the 5million in income makes you middle class, the i-don’t-know-how-the-economy works thing… besides his tak plan would save his family $370K… and my family $300…
i just don’t think he has a firm grasp on real world financial workings…
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Aug 23, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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I just don't see
How raising the capital gains tax is going to help do anything but discourage growth.
Now, the top Bush bracket? I’m willing to listen.
by brettgardner on
Aug 23, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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Id rather they go after income
or even better consumption, but the few percentage points for capital gains aren’t gonna drag the economy to a screeching halt.
I just have the wacky notion that a balanced budget should be the norm, rather than the aberration it currently is.
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Using resources to stimulate the economy is a critical feature of modern government. That’d be nearly impossible with a strict balanced budget requirement, especially when you consider that increased taxes in other growth areas will make the currency sluggish already.
Also, a consumption tax is such a bad idea.
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Aug 23, 2008 9:59 AM CDT
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I never said
that there should be a strict balanced budge requirement, however, there should be as many years of surplus as there are deficit. The only way consistend deficits are sustainable is through devaluation of the currency.
There is nothing wrong with consumption taxes. They are used all over the world, and in most states in this country.
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by DJCahill on
Aug 23, 2008 10:14 AM CDT
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Right...
And a national consumption tax would be placed on top of those state taxes, only adding to their regressive nature and making it more difficult for lower-income families to survive.
What other taxes would levy upon all of us in the name of fiscal responsibility? Energy? Internet? Gas?
by brettgardner on
Aug 23, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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yep!
sales taxes are very regressive. most people that engage in the argument understand it, but for those of you that don’t get it… low-income households spend a higher percentage of their income on taxable sales goods, relative to high-income households. And it makes sense if you think about it, a household that makes 30k is going to spend say… 10-15k just on consumption? so nearly 50%… A household that makes 200k isn’t going to spend 100k on consumption goods. There is only so much you can spend on clothing and cars in a year.
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Aug 23, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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on a lighter note...
I’m watching the Olympic Women’s Basketball Final… don’t ask why… And they showed the Men’s team in the stands watching, and one of the players was wearing a Texas Rangers hat! I don’t really watch basketball, so I don’t know who he is… maybe someone here can identify him:


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by tdi1985 on
Aug 23, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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Looks like Dallas native Deron Williams
by jparks77 on
Aug 23, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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I hope the guy seated next to Deron catches the fuck on fire
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Aug 23, 2008 1:02 PM CDT
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I label myself
a conservative leftist moderately liberal progressive. Seems to fit me to a T.
by robert_d_wilfong on
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I don't hate the label
I hate people the people of U.C. Santa Cruz who have hijacked the label for themselves, so that they could appropriate it as a label for themselves, despite the fact that their practices and ideals are anything but.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
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In the presidency
Change is going liberal. Unless you want to call Bush and Satan Cheney liberals.
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Change is going liberal
My impression was that Obama aspired to more than that.
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Has Obama
been hiding his liberalism? If you think he has, you haven’t been paying attention very well.
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Aug 23, 2008 9:16 AM CDT
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Why would you include "most liberal"
seems to me if you want change, you’d go from a jesus freak conservative like Bush to a liberal.
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Aug 23, 2008 9:00 AM CDT
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As a Republican,
please let me say thank you.
Joe Fucking Biden???
Do you boys from the left really wonder why you don’t win elections?
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Aug 23, 2008 1:56 AM CDT
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Says the guy...
who supports the party that just nominated a 72 year old man who is about to name Mormon Mitt as his VP…… no, thank you.
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by slc ranger on
Aug 23, 2008 1:58 AM CDT
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here we go again...
to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...
by Longhorn on
Aug 23, 2008 2:08 AM CDT
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Have you added...
anything to the discussion in any political thread other than one of two word smarky responses?
Do you know enough to discuss a topic with someone or do you just plan on agreeing with the far right comments and blasting those to the left?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Aug 23, 2008 2:22 AM CDT
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Since when was knowing something about the subject
a pre-requisite to discussing it on this board?
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can't argue with liberals
like djc, ‘cause all he does is make up stuff…so, what’s the point?
to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...
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glad GOP dont make stuff up
/ignores war in iraq
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Aug 23, 2008 1:26 PM CDT
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What stuff did the GOp make up?
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Difference
between making stuff up and having bad intel. Did everyone else that said there were WMDs make it up either?
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They were all too willing
to believe that bad intel, despite the fact that many hid misgivings. Those who questioned the intel were shouted down, ignored, or called unpatriotic.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
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Aug 23, 2008 2:43 PM CDT
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Hardly anyone
questioned …..look at what percentage of congress approved the War.
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Oh, there were some who were against it from the start.
Like that Senator from Illinois…his name escapes me.
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THat has nothing to do with what we are talking
about…but yes he voted against it. That is the only reason why he is the Dem’s candidate, because he certainly doesn’t have anything else to his name.
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CIA gave them intel that said no WMD's were there before the war even started
the head of intel for iraq defected and was our man. he said as much right then. a new book just came out. the guy is a pulitzer winner. read it.
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We also had intel that said tehre were weapons
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it's cherry picking
oh, we got these 99 pieces of evidence that say NO WMD.
but we got this 1 that says yes. let’s ignore the 99 and keep it secret.
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Aug 23, 2008 4:25 PM CDT
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That wasn't the case at all
stop over exaggerating your points it makes you look silly and when you do that people don’t take you seriously.
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Bottom line
There weren’t. So regardless it was a huge mistake on the part of a blood-thirsty administration.
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Aug 23, 2008 4:54 PM CDT
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Jesus Christ
blood-thirsty administration? How is anybody supposed to debate with you when you talk like that?
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Regardless
It’s pretty well documented now how we got into the intelligence gaffe.
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Aug 23, 2008 5:05 PM CDT
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Strong adjectives
generally enhance the point someone is making.
I’m not trying to change your view, as I know that’s not possible. These dialogues are meant more for others who are reading than you and I. So if I can irritate you throughout the process (which it appears I have) that helps take you off your game and makes my arguement look more compelling.
by robert_d_wilfong on
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I suppose you could
look at it that way. I feel like when you resort to those kind of absurd adjectives it gives off the feeling that even you do not believe that your argument and logic is compelling enough to get the job done.
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Seems
That’s the difference between debate and oratorical declamation. One elicits studied response, the other attempts to discredit possible responses in order to make a point.
Heh …….
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however
theres a HUGE list of ppl who said they did have them (clintons x2, kerry, gore, etc)
Jun 1994 UNSCOM completes the destruction of large quantities of chemical warfare agents and precursors and their production equipment.
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Mar 1996 UNSCOM teams are denied immediate access to five sites designated for inspection. The teams enter the sites after delays of up to 17 hours.
17 Sep 1997 While seeking access to a site for inspection declared by Iraq to be "sensitive", UNSCOM inspectors witness and videotape the movement of files, the burning of documents and dumping of ash-filled waste cans into a nearby river.
Oct 1997 UNSCOM completes the destruction of additional, large quantities of chemical weapons related equipment and precursors chemicals. Iraq had previously denied that part of the equipment had been used for CW production. Only in May 1997, on the basis of UNSCOM’s investigations, did Iraq admit that some of the equipment had indeed been used in the production of VX.
feb 1998: "team of UNSCOM international experts conclude unanimously that Iraq has still not provided sufficient information for the Commission to conclude that Iraq had undertaken all the disarmament steps required of it in these areas"
8 Apr 1998 The report of the biological weapons TEM is transmitted to the Council (S/1998/308). As with the other TEMs, the experts unanimously conclude that Iraq’s declaration on its biological weapons programme is incomplete and inadequate.
14 Jul 1998 As a consequence of the high-level talks between the Deputy Prime Minister and the Executive Chairman in June 1998, a team of UNSCOM international biological experts is assembled in Baghdad to review, for the third time, Iraq’s declaration on its biological weapons programme. The experts conclude that the declaration (on outstanding disarmarment)
is not verifiable.
12 Aug 1998 The Executive Chairman informs the Security Council (document S/1998/767) that, in addition to halting all disarmament activities, Iraq’s actions with respect to monitoring have impinged on the effectiveness of the monitoring system and the Commission could not continue to provide the Security Council with the same level of assurances of Iraq’s compliance with its obligations not to reestablish its proscribed weapons programmes.
31 Oct 1998 Iraq announces that it will cease all forms of interaction with UNSCOM and its Chairman and to halt all UNSCOM’s activities inside Iraq, including monitoring. The Security Council, in a statement to the press, unanimously condemn Iraq’s decision to cease all cooperation with UNSCOM.
FROM: http://www.un.org/Depts/unscom/Chronology/chronologyframe.htm
so the UN found VX gas in 91 and held it to destroy until 1997?
I think the danger right now is that without effective inspections, without effective monitoring, Iraq can in a very short period of time measured in months, reconstitute chemical and biological weapons, long-range ballistic missiles to deliver these weapons, and even certain aspects of their developing of nuclear weapons program
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by knockoutking on
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Its not surprising Iraq tried to block access
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter
Commentary in the post-inspection period
Scott Ritter speaks at SUNY New Paltz on March 16, 2006.In 1999, Ritter wrote Endgame: Solving the Iraq Problem – Once and For All in which he reiterated his claim that Iraq had obstructed the work of inspectors and attempted to hide and preserve essential elements for restarting WMD programs at a later date. However, he also expressed frustration at alleged attempts by the CIA to infiltrate UNSCOM and use the inspectors as a means of gathering intelligence with which to pursue regime change in Iraq – a violation of the terms under which UNSCOM operated, and the very rationale the Iraqi government had given in restricting the inspector’s activities in 1998.
In the book’s conclusion, Ritter criticized the current U.S. policy of containment in the absence of inspections as inadequate to prevent Iraq’s re-acquisition of WMD’s in the long term. He also rejected the notion of removing Saddam Hussein’s regime by force. Instead, he advocated a policy of diplomatic engagement, leading to gradual normalization of international relations with Iraq in return for inspection-verified abandonment of their WMD programs and other objectionable policies.
Ritter again promoted a conciliatory approach toward Iraq in the 2000 documentary In Shifting Sands: The Truth About UNSCOM and the Disarming of Iraq, which he wrote and directed. The film tells the history of the UNSCOM investigations through interviews and video footage of inspection missions. In the film, Ritter argues that Iraq is a “defanged tiger” and that the inspections were successful in eliminating significant Iraqi WMD capabilities.5 (For more see below under “Documentary”.)
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Or had their spouses
CIA cover blown.
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by DJCahill on
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Your rhetoric makes you sound like you don’t really have a good grasp on what you support. Just an observation.
by robert_d_wilfong on
Aug 23, 2008 1:28 PM CDT
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Don't have to make stuff up
the Republicans record speaks for itself. It’s just low grade morons, such as yourself, don’t have any clue about the truth.
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Good Ol' Longhorn
Consistently proving that less really isn’t more since 2004…
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I wonder if theres ever been a politics sub thread at LSB
Where liberals didn’t get at least the last five mean spirited posts.
The censoring urge is so strong in liberals..look at their constant campaign against Fox News across the internet..
by Sharky on
Aug 27, 2008 5:48 AM CDT
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That's a fairly prejudicial take, slc.
Obama is going to need a lot of things to break his way in order to win the election.because I don’t think this country has progressed to the point where a black man can become president. Unfortunate but that’s the way it is.Obama got hammered in several big states by HRC and a big reason why was the color of his skin.
How has this country responded when Democrats have put eastern uber liberal political insiders on the ticket in the past? Kerry – loser. Lieberman – loser. Dukakis – loser. Ferraro – loser. Muskie – loser. Jeeeez, how many times has the Democratic party rejected Biden when he tried to be President? Seems like he was running every four years and usually done by the end of January. Quite frankly, he doesn’t help Obama in any way other than in New England and the far northeast but Democrats probably have those states in the bag without Biden.
As for the Republican party, my choice for McCain’s VP would be Condoleeza Rice (very qualified and it would make libs shit the bed) but I’d be okay with Romney as well. Some of us have progressed to the point where we don’t hold a man’s religion against him.
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by Josey Wales on
Aug 23, 2008 7:57 AM CDT
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Romney would be a disaster.
I think Rice is interesting, but that’s a ticket with a fairly narrow agenda… national security.
HRC did well largely because of middle-age white women, old (and now stale) political ties, and unions. The only trouble for Obama will be middle-age white women. Unions are pretty much meaningless on the national scene.
But, really, the reason Obama has a better chance to win than McCain is that more Democrats will vote than Republicans. it will only have a little to do with Obama. Once the party sees the chance to gain an advantage in the Legislature and the White House it’s hard to imagine a scenario that would keep Dems from the polls.
Republicans have lost their conservative Christian base. I’m not sure they’ve found a new group to fill in their numbers at the polls.
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by rooster on
Aug 23, 2008 8:15 AM CDT
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Middle-aged white women
are what helped carry BClinton both times and I think there are a lot of Democratic white males (Hispanics as well) that are going to have a difficult time voting for Obama as well. That happened throughout the primary season.
The race card is going to be played in this election just like it was between HRC & Obama and it has a chance to wreak havoc in the Democratic party.
Another thing, although HRC falls under the northeast liberal umbrella mentioned earlier, I think if she was on the ticket, Obama would win the election by double figures. She’d help a great deal in the hispanic vote and middle aged white women.
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by Josey Wales on
Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM CDT
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I think Hillary would've made a winning ticket.
Bill could’ve become a massive distraction and potentially someone who could undermine Obama’s (and Hillary’s) ability to lead. I like Biden better in the long haul.
Biden will help out with white middle-class males.
The race card… um, that term is way overused in this election. It’s not the race card to point out that his run at a presidency is historic because of his skin color.
But, really, Obama just needs to avoid missteps. The Democrats are going to come out in bigger numbers than the Republicans. I can’t see any Republican VP that will change that. I can’t see McCain beating Obama with Independents by a large enough margin, even with wayward Hillary-ites, to make up the difference.
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by rooster on
Aug 23, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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I don't think
Hilary brings anything but negatives to the ticket.
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by DJCahill on
Aug 23, 2008 9:10 AM CDT
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Why??
I see McCain winning from getting most of Hillary’s supporters. If she had been Obama’s VP, at least she could have encouraged some of her voters to vote Democrat.
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by hinduplaya on
Aug 23, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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Hillary's supporters
aren’t turning out for McCain. They might stay at home, but they aren’t turning out for McCain.
I doubt you can find a shred of polling that supports that. Most of Hillary’s support is Democrat base. She doesn’t exactly cross over to conservatives.
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there is a vocal minority
that might vote for mccain but it isn’t that big of a deal.
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by ab03 on
Aug 23, 2008 9:54 AM CDT
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Eh...
I don’t think the conservative christian base is the problem for the Republican party right now. The Republicans have lost the middle-class, by doing nothing while in office. The Democrats will lose them too. All cyclical.
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by tdi1985 on
Aug 23, 2008 8:58 AM CDT
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the pubs problem is
they hadnt helped middle class, they hadnt helped the christian base, they havent really helped any1 except the military industrial complex and big oil, over the last 8 years.
a judge here and there is all they’ve really given the CC
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by Jayslick on
Aug 23, 2008 10:54 AM CDT
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well, the state Republican parties
did orchestrate a lot of gay marriage bans, Bush prevented expansion of embryonic stem cell research, late-term abortion… they were the driving force for a lot of social conservative issues.
But they didn’t address enough mainstream middle-class issues, issues that a majority of people in this country would agree with the Republican party on in ideology, but they don’t take any action.
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by tdi1985 on
Aug 23, 2008 11:03 AM CDT
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Please...
I live in Utah so I obviously I don’t have that big of a problem with mormons or I would have moved long ago. I was also raised LDS and most of my moms family is still active. I feel the same way about the LDS church as I do about all religion.
Biden has only run for the presidency twice. He has a ton of experience, a blue collar backround, and is very intelligent. If that brings nothing to the table then I suppose your statemnet is accurate.
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by slc ranger on
Aug 23, 2008 10:55 AM CDT
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LDS
I’ve known several Mormon families here in Texas, and they’ve been some of the nicest people you’ll ever meet.
A Mormon candidate wouldn’t bother me, but with the FLDS being such a major story nationally over the past year, I suspect many people in this country would take one look at Romney (or any other LDS candidate) and think “he’s one of those weirdos who dress up like they’re on Little House on the Prairie and marry 12-year-old girls.”
It also doesn’t help that a large number of the prominent Mormon politicians in this country- Romney included- are descended from families who not only practiced polygamy, but were members of Joseph Smith and/or Brigham Young’s inner circle.
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by RCCook on
Aug 23, 2008 2:31 PM CDT
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That's what I was hinting at...
in my above post. Getting many people to vote for a republican ticket when the VP is morman would be tough. Do you know what many in the bible belt think of mormons? When I was a kid I got a ton of shit and I wasn’t even going to church at the time. With all the FLDS and polygamy shit going around it would be suicide for McCain to pick Romney. It doesn’t matter to me what religion his VP is, but it may matter to a lot of his potential voters.
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by slc ranger on
Aug 23, 2008 4:54 PM CDT
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do you know anything about mormonism?
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by TheJman on
Aug 25, 2008 2:00 PM CDT
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I had a "friend"
beat us down with a talk on mormonism at his going away lunch, and handed out Books of Mormon.
It’s done very well for an almost 200 year old cult.
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by DJCahill on
Aug 25, 2008 2:05 PM CDT
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Heh
Was there any doubt that Josey was a crotchety old Republican?
by brettgardner on
Aug 23, 2008 2:15 AM CDT
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Nope...
His baseball logic is so great, I would love to debate politics with the guy.
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by slc ranger on
Aug 23, 2008 2:18 AM CDT
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No joke
That’s all I got. In all honesty, Josey seems like an alright guy. But if I’m beating my head against a wall talking baseball, I’m not touching politics with a 10 ft pole.
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by TheBZA on
Aug 23, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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amen...
having an opinion doesn’t make you arguement worthy…
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by ivysafety39 on
Aug 23, 2008 9:39 AM CDT
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My baseball arguments
rate with just about anybody.
What pisses people off so much about me is how often I’m right.
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by Josey Wales on
Aug 23, 2008 9:42 AM CDT
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wtf?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Aug 23, 2008 10:01 AM CDT
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Hahaha
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by slc ranger on
Aug 23, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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Mark Teixeira
still a shoo in for your Hall of Fame?
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Aug 23, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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Depends on
where he plays the next 12 years and if he stays healthy.
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by Josey Wales on
Aug 23, 2008 9:59 AM CDT
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the next 12 years?
yeah, i guess if he becomes barry bonds he’ll make the hall. but considering 11 of those 12 years he’ll probably have to have seasons that are better than ones he’s already had, you seem to be backtracking a bit.
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Because he was obviously dead wrong
Mark Teixeira has always been “the next tier down” from a Hall of Famer. At any given time he’s been about the 6th-12th best 1B in baseball, and that ain’t a Hall of Famer.
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Aug 23, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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i dunno.
i think saying you’re right is like saying you’re tall. if its really the case you wouldn’t have to announce it.
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Aug 23, 2008 9:53 AM CDT
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* lines up to get into a deep politcial discussion *
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
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Aug 23, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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The election is all about money. The Dems have alot more. Unlike Hicks,
they will spend it to win.
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by rooster on
Aug 23, 2008 7:50 AM CDT
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Halosheaven isn't a great place for any good political debate due to ground rules
you boys over here any better, or can I expect typical texas-demographic, overwhelming republicanism where i’d be overwhelmed in any debate by the sheer volume of responses to my diatribes?
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 23, 2008 2:19 AM CDT
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Meh.
I think there’s a good mix of left and right. Obviously stay away from anyone who uses hyperbole either way, but otherwise, people around here are pretty logical and won’t just call you names because of your political opinions.
All I would say is, if you’re going to make an argument, have something to back it up. The quickest way to get people on LSB to turn on you is to simply spout off without having facts to back it up.
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Aug 23, 2008 2:22 AM CDT
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It might have changed
but the last time we did a demographics poll, there were more people on the right, but… a caveat to that is that most republicans on here don’t really engage in the political discussions .
There are some pretty significant disincentives if there are few established people that will support some of the things you have to say, and a lot that will lambaste you.
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Well
Nobody cares about your opinion, so no matter what it is, you can be sure of that. Though we will all be more than willing to overwhelm you with indifference, Diatribe Boy. Give us some gold. We’re all rubes in Texas, after all.
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Aug 23, 2008 2:23 AM CDT
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By the way...
…what are we all doing up so late?
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by ghtd36 on
Aug 23, 2008 2:24 AM CDT
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I'm always up late...
usually get 6 hours of sleep a night. That’s plenty for me.
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by slc ranger on
Aug 23, 2008 2:25 AM CDT
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Man, at six hours, I'm just getting started.
I’m that guy who can sleep from 11pm until noon.
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by ghtd36 on
Aug 23, 2008 2:27 AM CDT
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I used to do that all the time.
I would sleep from 4am to 3pm every Monday/Wednesday/Friday as a Junior/Senior. Graduating and getting jarred into a 8:00 – 5:00 job really sucked for the first few months.
I still eff up my sleep schedule on weekends out of habit.
by LiamP on
Aug 23, 2008 2:47 AM CDT
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I'm "working"
If reading counts as work.
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What do you do...
if you don’t mind me asking?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Aug 23, 2008 2:26 AM CDT
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I'm just a student.
So “work” was really inappropriate, I think.
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Nah...
been there.
Being a student was a hell of a lot more work than the “work” I do now. I don’t think it’s inappropriate at all to refer to it as “work”.
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by slc ranger on
Aug 23, 2008 2:31 AM CDT
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Just because it's the stereotypical demographic doesn't mean I buy it
hell, halosheaven has a fairly liberal slant to it, and its in the conservative-happy O.C.
I, however, am of the fence-sitting devil’s advocate variety. I can either hide my beliefs from people by playing close to the chest as long as I want, or spout off obnoxiously. I’d call myself a left-leaning moderate, but I dunno how well the label fits. Let’s just say my self-interests are too strong to be a social liberal.
Plus, I spent a year and a half at U.C. Santa Cruz, and would rather not call myself a liberal ever again after seeing it identified with those folks.
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Well
I’m sure we can all pull together as a team to find a controversial issue for you to ride the fence on.
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OPS+ vs. VORP
ISSUES THAT MATTER: DISCUSS.
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vorp.
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by ivysafety39 on
Aug 23, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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Also, I'm used to people not caring about my opinion
as every blogger should be. It’s why we’re here in the first place. ;)
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Well (weak attempt at humor warning)
You’ve stepped out from an iconoclastic cult into a rather more interesting free for all, and you’ll find polar opposites from that political fence, neither of which will electrify it but there is the occasional jolt.
If only we did as well at baseball!
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by Ed Coffin on
Aug 23, 2008 3:10 AM CDT
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this blog fits the texas demographic a lot more than any1 cares to admit.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
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Aug 23, 2008 10:58 AM CDT
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How do you figure?
It seems that the people who speak up on the blog are typically moderate to liberal. This is not like Texas. When there has been any kind of polling, I believe it has been closer to an even split of liberal to conservative. This is also not like Texas.
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Aug 23, 2008 2:50 PM CDT
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That doesn't even make any sense...
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Not really
Unless we’re in Austin…
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
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I think this is a good pick for Obama
because Biden has done something productive in his political career. I’m not sure what Obama has ever done. So I guess this is good for him?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Aug 23, 2008 6:05 AM CDT
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To be fair
I just don’t see how sponsoring a few more bills over a few more years would prepare anybody for anything other than a fruitful career in the Senate.
I’m not looking for accomplishments in the President, just the judgment, vision and intelligence necessary to do the job well. Granted, more “paper” makes the job of determining those qualities easier from an objective standpoint, but it’s not necessary.
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Aug 23, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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judgment, vision and intelligence
How do you know whether Obama has that? The best way to learn about someone is to look at their past experiences and how they have performed. Unfortunately Obama doesn’t have one.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Aug 23, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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Well
Like I said, I know it’s easier to determine with an extensive record, but I’m supposing that it’s possible to determine those qualities from a both a relatively limited record and endless campaigning. Some may disagree, but that’s the basis of the vote, essentially.
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Aug 23, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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it doesn't really matter
voters look to voting records when making decisions only when it is pointed out to them. In the absence of voting records, they just look to see if they like the guy better.
I don’t foresee a problem. mccain doesn’t seem to like to point to his old voting record anyway since he’s transformed himself in the last year.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on
Aug 23, 2008 9:53 AM CDT
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Yeah
McCain hasn’t focused on that but instead on Obama’s lack of experience. I thought the “celebrity” ad was another great job by the GOP. Style, no substance.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Aug 23, 2008 11:31 AM CDT
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That ad was pathetic...
wit ’til McCain runs another ad like that and see how Biden responds.
To even mention Paris Hilton in a political ad is a embarrassment.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Aug 23, 2008 11:51 AM CDT
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Embarrassment?
You’re clearly delusional. Mccain’s attacks on Obama’s energy plan and lack of experience are the reason why the polls have swung in Mccain’s favor. You are delusional my flaming liberal friend.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Aug 23, 2008 1:12 PM CDT
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paris hilton is an embarassment
to america. bringing her up as a political trump card was a reach at best and her response in her funny retort made the McCain campaign look dumb.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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No it didn't
she sided with mccain’s energy plan…
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Aug 23, 2008 2:10 PM CDT
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that wasnt the real point and she didnt really side with his plan
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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Aug 23, 2008 10:57 PM CDT
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You mean those 2 out of 9 polls?
General Election: McCain vs. Obama
Poll Date Sample Obama (D) McCain® Spread
RCP Average 08/10 – 08/22 — 45.0 43.4 Obama +1.6
Gallup Tracking 08/20 – 08/22 2665 RV 46 44 Obama +2
Rasmussen Tracking 08/20 – 08/22 3000 LV 48 46 Obama +2
FOX News 08/19 – 08/20 900 RV 42 39 Obama +3
CBS News/NY Times 08/15 – 08/19 869 RV 45 42 Obama +3
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 08/15 – 08/18 1005 RV 45 42 Obama +3
LA Times/Bloomberg 08/15 – 08/18 1248 RV 45 43 Obama +2
Reuters/Zogby 08/14 – 08/16 1089 LV 41 46 McCain +5
Quinnipiac 08/12 – 08/17 1547 LV 47 42 Obama +5
Battleground 08/10 – 08/14 1000 LV 46 47 McCain +1
by robert_d_wilfong on
Aug 23, 2008 1:34 PM CDT
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Yeah
before those ads it was 0 out of 9….
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Aug 23, 2008 2:10 PM CDT
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Yes I'm delusional...
so says the neo-con who still supports and backs the policies of the current administration.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Aug 23, 2008 4:56 PM CDT
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Yeah I support a lot of them
not sure how that makes someone delusional.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Aug 24, 2008 10:50 AM CDT
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current reality dictates you are
given the current situation of the nations on earth and the rapid aggression and inflation of the world today, do you want your children and their children to grow up with continued policies going the same direction for the next 20+ years?
if the answer is yes, well, their are a lot of questions to ask yourself you may not be asking right now.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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Yeah I would want my children
to live under a lot of the policies set forth by the administration. Do I disagree with some of them? Yes. Would I disagree with a lot more set by Obama? Yes.
Okay Jayslick…I should ask myself a lot of things. You were the one that was celebrating someone’s death on this board earlier….so if anything you should be asking yourself a lot of questions.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Aug 25, 2008 1:13 AM CDT
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yeah but you always lack long term vision with the rangers.
its no surprise you would lack long term vision with the american political system. besides, you dont even remember who that guy i was “celebrating.” if you did, you would have named him.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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You're being
ridiculous and you know it. Stop acting immature. If you want to debate that’s fine but you’re just being silly now and stating things that just aren’t true.
And lack long-term vision with the Rangers? Based on what"?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Aug 25, 2008 2:46 AM CDT
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greinke!!!
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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Aug 25, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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Newberg, AJM, Hindman
and about half this board wants Greinke here for the right price. So are they also not concerned with the long-term future of the Rangers?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Aug 25, 2008 1:06 PM CDT
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What?
…because Biden has done something productive in his political career. I’m not sure what Obama has ever done.
I guess you missed my reply in the other thread about Obama and legislation. Or you’re ignoring it.
by Black Francis on
Aug 23, 2008 2:51 PM CDT
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No I missed it...
Can you tell me what Obama has done of significant relevance in his political career?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Aug 23, 2008 2:51 PM CDT
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I left you links
Go fetch. I think it was in sharky’s thread.
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It's a good pick.
It takes a bullet out of McCain’s six-shooter.
I think it illustrates Obama’s decision process, which has never been to get a quick fix but to think long term. See his race speech as an example. Obama clearly sees that national security will be one of the top issues of the next president’s agenda and rather than selecting someone that might be able to give Obama a few more votes in a couple of key states he addressed a perceived and probably real weakness.
McCain’s first attack was impotent:
“There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama’s lack of experience than Joe Biden,” McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written statement.
“Biden has denounced Barack Obama’s poor foreign policy judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are quickly realizing — that Barack Obama is not ready to be president.”
So, McCain’s argument is that Obama can convince harsh critics to work with him? I don’t think that’s going to convince any swing voters. It might whip up the Republican base a bit, but even at that it’s pretty weak compared to the days of Rove.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on
Aug 23, 2008 8:07 AM CDT
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and obama said
he want’s a VP that’s not a YES man. biden doesn’t seem like a guy that’ll shutup and take it like a man. like colin powell.
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
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Aug 23, 2008 1:48 PM CDT
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its really a shame...
…how the “us vs them” culture of america has made “liberal” and “conservative” bad words… it makes me sad to see how absolutely dumbly divided our country can be sometimes, and how a lot of that division comes from either incorrect information or incompetence… i can’t relate how glad i am we have a republic because true democracy scares the $hit out of me with our mob mentality… mud slinging politicians pandering away, as the people who most identify with them do the same to there fellow americans who they feel don’t deserve the same kinda of freedom of personal beliefs as they do…
and some say this is the reason why we have a “great country”… the reason “america is worth fighting for”… and “our right to believe and say whatever we want” is fundamental….. i’m starting to think thats not always a good thing, and again, greatful the founding fathers decided to remove a lot of the power from the masses…. cause if society was a teenager i wouldn’t trust it with a pair of scissors and a clear path to run….
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
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ha.
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
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Aug 23, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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Biden
loves to stick his foot in his mouth and with more exposure I’m afraid he’s going to be well-meaning but say something that will get the whole campaign into hot water.
Biden’s certainly not the safe pick which can cut both ways obviously…
What's the rumpus?
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Aug 23, 2008 9:49 AM CDT
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Lots of candidates
in this election can load up both barrels, and unload them into their foot. McCain’s gonna say some crazy shit before all is said and done.
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Aug 23, 2008 9:53 AM CDT
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Concur...
Biden will say what he feels and won’t pull punches. He could very well say something that causes controversy. Although I feel like Obama and McCain will do the same before the campaign is over as well.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Aug 23, 2008 11:02 AM CDT
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he already has w/ obama
last yr
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
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Aug 25, 2008 8:40 AM CDT
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That's just the way Biden is...
if Obama is doing something that he doesn’t like or he disagrees with he will let him know too. That’s one of the things I really like about the guy.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Aug 25, 2008 5:01 PM CDT
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yea
and its why hes a good pick for veep
…but also why he could be a bad pick as well
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on
Aug 26, 2008 7:44 AM CDT
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not a terrible pick
but there might not have been a better pick out there. I would have gone with Nunn and I was warming up to the idea of Reed from Rhode Island. I could see the pitfalls of Reed but not sure what the downfall of Nunn was, other than he flat out refused it.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
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Aug 23, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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im just not sold biden helps him win a state
thats not a good sign.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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Aug 23, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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yep...
and I think Obama is being a little too confident if he thinks he doesn’t need as much help as he can get. This election is going to be a lot closer than anyone thinks.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
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Aug 23, 2008 11:04 AM CDT
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really?
McCain just had a great month and Obama still has a lead in both the national polls and the EC ( Obama has a tiny lead in Montana and Alaska for christ sakes) . McCain pretty much needs to win 8 or 9 out of the 12 battleground states to pull it out. The democrats have put so many more states in play this year that McCains margin for error is really small.
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Aug 23, 2008 11:23 AM CDT
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The latest
National polls show MccAin either tied or leading. That means all those super close battleground states just shifted to McCain.
Also, personally I dont take polls coming from the liberal media (virtually all organized media in the US) at face value, and I dont think anybody else does either. Everybody knows McCain is probably doing a good deal better than polls show at any given moment.
The demographics just work against Obama, that was proved by Hillary, she fucking destroyed him in most primaries where actual people voted (including the record 41 point loss in West V), while Obama cleaned up in Caucuses where the liberal bullies minority ruled.
And yeah, I dont know what poll has Obama leading in Alaska, but trust me, he isnt going to win Alaska.
by Sharky on
Aug 26, 2008 10:16 PM CDT
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When was the last time a VP choice really helped win an election?
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
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Aug 25, 2008 1:14 PM CDT
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or hurt one
for that matter? Don’t see it being a big deal, either way.
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by DJCahill on
Aug 25, 2008 1:31 PM CDT
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actually cheney
helped give people comfort with the idea of an inexperienced president in G.W. Bush.
didnt work out that great, but hey…
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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Al Gore
Interesting strategy by the Dems to have two young southern candidates on the ticket.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
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Aug 26, 2008 9:20 AM CDT
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Huh? Biden will help in Penn, Virginia, Ohio, and Indiana. The guy grew up in Scranton, he will definitely help with working class voters in that region.
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Aug 23, 2008 11:05 AM CDT
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Rendell + Biden
Can only help Obama in Penn.
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Aug 23, 2008 11:10 AM CDT
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True, although I don't think Penn was really ever in play
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
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Well...
he was born in PA. Not sure that will help the dems there much though.
I just don’t like the idea of taking a guy from a state just because you need to carry that state. Not sure that was the main decision for Kerry in ‘04 but Edwards couldn’t even carry NC for him. I think you should take the best person possible. You can argue if Biden is that choice, but I have no problem with him not being for a “swing” state.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
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Aug 23, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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edwards wasnt ever gonna carry NC though
and every1 knew it. i have family in NC and edwards was never gonna carry that state. very big mistake on kerry’s part.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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Aug 23, 2008 11:11 AM CDT
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there wasn't anyone that was going to win a state
except bayh and IN. After being a huge Bayh supporter previously, I’ve cooled on him enough where I don’t care about that anymore.
And, like people said below, Biden helps enough in IN, OH, PA to where he can help deliver them – which is all Obama really needs.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
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Aug 23, 2008 12:21 PM CDT
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i wanted richardson
executive branch experience and he can give ya New Mexico and Colorado, and helps in Nevada. Unfortunately i think obama is so busy backtracking and on his heals with hillary supporters that i dont think he had the guts to go against them, which is what richardson would have been. Obama wouldnt have been in this situation if he had ever told the clinton to (in a politically effective manner) shove it up their asses. he didnt. he was “respectful” he didnt “step on any1’s toes” he in other words, isnt in control of his own party and that so far has been his biggest mistake.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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richardson is the one
that went to north korea and helped make the deal which made them quit making nukes and selling them to pakistan so that pakistan could nuke india. handy. problem: bush admin. shit talked it. belittled it. played “hardball” for 5+ years of thier admin. while N. Korea made nukes etc. only to agree to the exact same deal.
thats fuct.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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Well
I worked with the guy. He’s a boob. Granted, I didn’t spend much one on one time with him, but the time I did spend, along with the people he put around him, have me pretty confident in my opinion.
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Aug 23, 2008 11:35 PM CDT
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That's one hell of an accomplished boob
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
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so is bush
"Water covers 2/3 of the world, T-New's got the rest"
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rofl
+1
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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He's
Charming, intelligent and ambitious. “Boob”, to me, does not mean stupid. Richardson struck me as a guy who never cared for developing policy or a long-term vision. He seemed like a guy who collected all these merit badges over his life and then expected to be handed the big stuffed bunny when he cashed out, without having to do any real work.
He put a bunch of goofuses around him, at least in Iowa, who were essentially little more than “yes” men and college freshmen. They bumbled about and were stunned when just standing there didn’t get them anything.
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He should be in the private sector
That’s a spot-on description of half of corporate America.
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Probably was never truly realistic
but from a completely selfish standpoint, I really wanted Chet Edwards to come out of nowhere to get it.
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chet edwards
too conservative, wasn’t going to happen
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not enough experience either.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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Three things that I thought might way in his favor
1) Very military friendly and a good command of military-specific policy
2) The “change” motto: while Edwards has served 17 years in congress, his relative obscurity would play much better in a “change” campaign than Biden.
3) He’s George Bush’s congressman; kind of a slap at the Bush Republicans … if there still is such a thing.
But, yeah, I didn’t really think it would happen … just wishful thinking.
by robert_d_wilfong on
Aug 23, 2008 1:40 PM CDT
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Think of the campaign problems though
Obama/Edwards ’08: No, not THAT Edwards.
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Aug 25, 2008 12:29 AM CDT
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Keeping it Clean
That looks like a good clean, well-spoken ticket. Maybe Biden can even write/steal a few speeches for Obama. With his 6 terms of experience he should really hell bring about the change to Washington, Obama has been promising.
All of this was said tongue in cheek
This veep choice just made me laugh. It is just funny that the media went after Biden hard when he stepped in it with his “good, clean, well-spoken…” comments. It was really a non-news story then, but they were fighting for their guy. Their guy wins the primaries and turns around a chooses the very guy the media claimed was so offensive.
Ephesians 1:3-10
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Aug 23, 2008 2:43 PM CDT
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Humor is not your thing
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on
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clarification
“All of the (above was) said tongue in cheek”
Ephesians 1:3-10
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Biden and our Political Culture
I think Biden will be a solid pick. I think Republicans are happy right now but will eventually be disappointed. Biden is one of the best debaters I’ve ever seen (watch some old meet the press videos). If McCain picks the MN Governor it will be a sad day in the McCain world. I’ve also seen Romney debate before and after watching the Romney-Kennedy debate, I think he would have the same fate. I personally believe that some people are telling pollsters that they won’t vote for Obama because of his lack of experience aren’t telling the real truth. I believe it’s because of his race (I’m not saying all people but some). 48% of the remaining undecided voters were HRC supporters some speculate that these democrats have a hard time because of this. I think Biden needs to make the case that people were scared of JFK because he was a catholic and people of that time believed the Pope was going to take over America. I think Obama shouldn’t characterize himself as a Black American. He is half-white/half-black and he should talk about how he got the best of both worlds. Also, I’m tired of ideologues. These people aren’t educated and they vote. I’m talking about the people who think John Kerry was not a war hero, John McCain is a clone of Bush (McCain actually hates him and McCain’s daughter for a fact didn’t vote for him) and calling Obama the name Obama bin laden. The sad thing is these people actually decide who’s going to win.
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Just you wait
until the Obama bin Biden talk starts on Fox News.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 23, 2008 11:47 PM CDT
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semi-OT: Democratic Convention in Denver
I was in Denver last night (I live in Boulder) and everything was geared up for the convention. Cops were on every street corner downtown, and there were herds of 10-12 cops walking down the sidewalk in places. I can’t imagine what it’ll be like starting Monday.
But there’s banners everywhere, and signs. A lot of businesses are getting into the act by putting up clever signs. The best was on the marquee of a nightclub—all it said was “Discobama.” There was a strip club across the street that had on its marquee, “We have the sexiest democrats.”
The coolest part, for me, since I couldn’t get a ticket to Invesco for the big shindig, is that Public Enemy is having a free concert on Thursday at one of the parks in Denver. I’m totally going.
by naropean on
Aug 24, 2008 3:14 PM CDT
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I just hope
McCain picks Romney, then the Repubs are in the drivers-seat. Pawlenty would be ok.
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on
Aug 24, 2008 3:55 PM CDT
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Romney
People think Romney is a good choice on paper. But in the long term people are going to ask questions about Mormonism. Slavery, Polygamy, Warren Jeffs and the magical underpants. This could seriously hurt the campaign. I doubt McCain wants to answer questions on magical underpants.
by Monkey Brain on
Aug 24, 2008 5:23 PM CDT
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what in the world
does Mormonism have to do with his policies? I’m a Christian and I am as big of a Romney supporter as one will find. I’m not arguing with your point because it may be true, I’m saying what is people’s problem? It’s a sad day when a candidate is or is not elected for his religion and not because of his policies. The media stole the nomination from Romney and now they’re going to steal his vice presidential opportunity.
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on
Aug 24, 2008 6:19 PM CDT
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That's nice that you can look past his Mormonism
too bad your opinion doesn’t reflect consensus:
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 24, 2008 6:22 PM CDT
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Which is not to say that consensus is Mormon = bad, either
It’s just that there are enough people in the country right now who don’t want to vote for a Mormon in any capacity that it can be damaging. Factor in the fact that Romney’s “sudden conversion” to being pro-life and pro-all-other-Republican-stances doesn’t necessarily sit well with a lot of Americans, either. The evangelical base of America needs to be inspired within their communities to get out the vote and really, really be behind their candidates like they were in ‘04. Romney just does not, and cannot, inspire that level of enthusiasm. His selection wouldn’t come close to putting McCain “in the driver’s seat.” NO ONE buys that. Not even “We Report, You Decide” channel.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Aug 24, 2008 6:27 PM CDT
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o no!
not freerepublic! < /sarcasm>
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on
Aug 25, 2008 8:43 AM CDT
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You linked
Me to some similarly-biased drivel. I wouldn’t go high-fiving anyone just yet.
by brettgardner on
Aug 25, 2008 9:04 AM CDT
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i was being sarcastic
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on
Aug 25, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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It’s the reality of the world we live in. Millions of American are xenophobic some will not vote for Barack because he’s half-black and some will not vote for Romney because he’s a Mormon.
by Monkey Brain on
Aug 24, 2008 6:45 PM CDT
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Rage against the Machine is playing the DNC
that should be fun:
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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Aug 24, 2008 4:25 PM CDT
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The Democratic Convetion has lots of good acts
Death Cab for Cutie, Cold War Kids, and some others.
Meanwhile the GOP convention is trotting out a bunch of has beens and never-will-bes. Smashmouth, The Beach Boys. How fitting.
by Black Francis on
Aug 24, 2008 7:12 PM CDT
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rage is playing both i believe.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on
Aug 24, 2008 8:29 PM CDT
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No they're not
They’re playing in Minneapolis that week, and not by coincidence, but I don’t think there’s enough money in the world to get those guys to play FOR the RNC.
by Black Francis on
Aug 24, 2008 9:28 PM CDT
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you sure?
i gotta buddy with Amnesty Int. and he has a meeting set up with rage in denver.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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Aug 25, 2008 2:02 AM CDT
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i'll take
those two oldies but goodies over those no-names any day.
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on
Aug 24, 2008 9:00 PM CDT
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And...
….you’d say the exact opposite if they were playing the GOP convention.
They’re not no-name bands. Anybody under 35 knows them unless they don’t have taste in music.
Also, I don’t think I’d characterize Smashmouth as “oldies”. I mean they got old the instant I heard them, but they’re a contemporary band. Just bullshit commercial music.
by Black Francis on
Aug 24, 2008 9:26 PM CDT
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"Anybody under 35 knows them unless they don’t have taste in music."
i don’t know who they are and i do have good taste in music. most good music is from the 80’s and 90’s. Everything post-2004 is horrible for the most part. There is NO good rock music these days. none
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on
Aug 24, 2008 10:27 PM CDT
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Ahh...
so you’re a big fan of that 80’s butt rock huh?
Some people would argue that the 60’s and 70’s were far superior and the 80’s is when music died. Now I grew up in the 80’s so I like some of it, but it’s hard to say “most good music is from the 80’s and 90’s”. I will agree that there has been very little of late worth a shit though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Aug 24, 2008 10:51 PM CDT
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dstar
aren’t you like 12 years old?
What the hell do you know about 80’s and 90’s music. Did your neo-con uncle brainwash you about music as well?
by enut21 on
Aug 24, 2008 11:14 PM CDT
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Music
60’s were the best by far with the Beatles, The Beach Boys, Bob Dylan, Rolling Stones, Cream, The Who, Hendrix (although I think he’s a tad overrated), . 70’s were okay John Lennon solo music was great, Led Zep and Pink Floyd shined through in this era. 80’s were horrible in my view except for U2. The music died when Lennon got shot— Time Magazine. When Lennon got shot he was starting to make some of his best music. His best song was Grow Old With Me but he never got to finish it. You can listen to the demos on you tube. A little trivia U2 wanted John Lennon to produce their first album.
by Monkey Brain on
Aug 25, 2008 1:00 AM CDT
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any mention of the 60's
without mention of the yardbirds is missing the ship.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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