Obama/Biden ticket it is....
by jacksastud on Aug 23, 2008 12:46 AM CDT
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CNN is covering the story as well on the tube.... seems to balance the ticket somewhat providing in areas Obama maybe lacking in terms of foreign policy experience as well as tenure in in the senate. If he keeps from sticking his foot in his mouth, he may be able to gain some of those moderate democrates that perhaps are on the fence. I like biden, im not sure i want him as being a lunatic away from being leader of the freeworld, but present me with a better option i say.
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So, I know not everyone
is going to agree with the “theory” that its important to “balance the ticket”… but does a relatively liberal US senator from Delaware really do much for Obama? I guess he adds a little foreign policy credibility to a democrat ticket, and a lot of experience. I’m a Conservative, so I’m curious to those that are leaning towards voting for Obama…
How much does Biden do for you?
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
Well, for me...
…I like the pick. I think it’s the “safe” pick, if there is such a thing. He’s an excellent debater, putting the onus on McCain to find someone who can match up with him in the VP debates. He’s got tons and tons of foreign policy experience, which is where McCain was really attacking. And beyond that, he should be an excellent attack dog for Obama. If his “The only things that come out of Rudy Giuliani’s mouth are noun, verb and 9-11” is any indication, the Obama campaign is about to hit back and hit back hard.
I think it’s a good choice. I think it also shows the confidence that Obama has in his chances to carry Indiana and Virginia. It would have been easy to say “We’ll take Tim Kaine so Virginia goes blue” or Evan Bayh with Indiana. He didn’t do that, which is an interesting move. It also reminds me of the ’92 election, the last time the Dems won big, when they abandoned the idea of balancing the ticket regionally and ended up picking two Southerners (Clinton from Arkansas, Gore from Tennessee).
All I know is that with Biden in the race, there is going to be a lot more attacking of McCain coming soon.
Overall, though, I like the choice.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
Yep...
I love it. I’m a big Biden guy and I think the experience he brings is what Obama needed the most. As you said, Joe isn’t afraid to pull punces either. I love how straight forward he is.
Great dem ticket in my opinion. I would have loved to flip them with Biden as the nominee and Obama the VP but it was clear in the beginning that Joe had no chance to win the nomination. Now if they can just show that they have a pair and not let the republican smear machine run them through the wringer during the campaign I will be a happy man.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
But the way our country is...
don’t you think a regionally unbalanced ticket from the south, for democrats is a lot more effective than a regionally unbalanced ticket from the north? I mean, a lot of the north-eastern states are still a foregone conclusion for the democrats, no matter how you look at it.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
well i'm guessing it'll be
“noun, verb, pow”
it was really lame and mysterious why the mccain campaign dude, while hitting back at obama for attacking mccain for not knowing how many houses he had, said, “mccain lived in 1 hourse for 5 years…in vietnam”
um, okay?
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
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I have mixed feelings about it
He’s one of my favorite Democrats, but the guy is a little on the volatile side. They seem like completely different personalities to me, which I guess could be either a good or bad thing. I guess the thinking is he’d be good for campaigning, like ghtd said, and also good as part of the government.
I suppose I don’t really have a problem with it.
Obama/Biden
How can Obama honestly claim he’s some sort of agent for change and that he can break the partisan gridlock of Washington, and pick one of the longest-serving, most liberal senators? Obama is a hypocrite like all the rest of them.
by Randy Richardson on Aug 23, 2008 1:51 AM CDT reply actions
I'd hardly call
Biden a “Washington Insider.”
It doesn’t sound like you’re much interested, though.
by brettgardner on Aug 23, 2008 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions
well,
I don’t know what your definition of Washington insider is, but Biden is pretty clearly a liberal democrat who doesn’t have much of a record of working across party lines for change.
by Randy Richardson on Aug 23, 2008 2:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Wrong.
He worked with a diverse group last year, including Sam Brownback, who’s about as far on the other side of the aisle as it gets, to include his Federal Iraq amendment to the Defense Authorization bill.
This year he’s worked with Dick Lugar to provide additional Pakistani aid in order to alleviate some of the major procedural problems there.
Last year he also co-sponsored a bill with Orrin Hatch to strengthen cyber-crime laws. Personally, I thought it was a mediocre attempt at a good idea, but that’s really beside the point.
Those are just a few examples off the top of my head. I would never argue that he’s a DINO, but to say that he’s some mindless puppet who never values the input or ideas of others seems, to me, to be incorrect.
by brettgardner on Aug 23, 2008 3:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Biden
Come on, I didn’t say he never worked with Republicans. Those are fairly politically neutral examples.
I don’t think he’s a mindless puppet either, he’s obviously an intelligent guy who is a solid senator. I just don’t think Obama, “change”, and Biden go together. I think Kaine would have been a better choice. Who cares that Biden has Nat Sec experience? That’s what a Sec of State, NSA, etc are for.
by Randy Richardson on Aug 23, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Not working with republicans = change
Since the nations horrendous mistake of electing Reagan in 1980, the GOP has totally screwed up the country. For 30 years. The party has no good ideas at all. I’d much rather not have someone with much experience working with the immoral GOP.
I'm not going to argue with you about Reagan
because it doesn’t seem like there is anything that can be said to deter you from that stream of thought…
But you just completely discount the Contract with America in 1994? The Republicans have no ideas? I’d agree with that about today’s party… but that’s sort of the case with both parties right now. But you think the 1994 Republicans had no ideas?
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
I'm referring to good ideas.
From the time Reagan took down the solar panels, to the time he supported Islamic terrorists unnecessarily against a dying Soviet Union, to the time he unnecessarily plunged us a couple of extra trillion into debt to unnecessarily bring down the dying Soviet Union slightly quicker, to the politics of personal destruction they perfected over 8 Clinton years, to the USA Patriot Act, Iraq War, and finally “drill everywhere but for gods sakes don’t support conservation!”, they are a party opposed to everything I stand for.
you said for 30 years...
and no good ideas… I wasn’t arguing whether or not they had bad ideas…
everyone in the history of the earth has had bad ideas. I was saying that it is unreasonable for you to say that they have had no good ideas.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
30 years goes back to Reagan.
Should I have said 98% bad ideas?
I agree with the GOP on virtually no issues that are of dispute.
I used to be closer to them on a few issues, but the Dem’s have since moved right on most of those (guns, trade) but that’s about it.
Nuclear power is probably the ONLY issue I’ll agree with the GOP more on.
Drill everywhere
Yeah, the GOP ALWAYS wants more drilling, less conservation, and no other alternatives.
"Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states" - Barack Obama
by LSBUser on Aug 23, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
With your last sentiment, but I just think you’re falling into the easiest rhetorical trap out there.
It’s seemed that whenever ANYTHING happens in the Obama campaign, somebody pipes in with the obligatory, “I thought you were about ‘change’.”
The fact is, Obama had to pick a vice-president, he has to play the game of getting elected, and I honestly don’t think eitherof those things are exclusive of “changing” the political climate. Now, I don’t think that it’s a very likely event, but I can’t place the blame for that at Obama’s feet.
by brettgardner on Aug 23, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
when it came down to it...
he needed someone with experience because he has so little.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
For the most part.
But I expressed below what I feel about that.
by brettgardner on Aug 23, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I must have missed the Reagan memo
where ‘liberal’ became a go-to term for ‘bad political leader.’ It’s funny how a word for such a benign set of collective political beliefs has become borderline slanderous to use in any context. It certainly shouldn’t be any more ‘dirty’ a word than ‘conservative’ is. It’s a bland, over-simplified way of writing off an entire politician with one word, rather than analyzing the individual. It’s why I hate both of the words.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 23, 2008 3:19 AM CDT up reply actions
liberal
I used the word to describe Biden as being to the left of the average Democrat. Nothing derogatory about that.
by Randy Richardson on Aug 23, 2008 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I hate to boil it down to words too...
but you have to acknowledge the usefulness of labels. I don’t mean to cause any problems, but is it just me, or do left-leaning people tend to hate labels more than right-leaning people? Maybe its the result of right-leaning people working towards making the word “liberal” a dirty word, but if you don’t like the use of the word then to some degree, you’re accommodating the connotation!
He obviously doesn’t like liberal-democrats, that is clear in his connotation, but why do you have to hate the phrase? Why should liberal-democrat make you feel any worse than conservative-republican makes me feel? (that’s how I label myself).
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
I have no idea
but it seems like someone on this blog objected to me calling Bush a fascist conservative. Don’t see that as being any worse than calling liberals socialists.
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well, no one called Biden a socialist
in this discussion, but I suppose you’re talking about people calling Obama a socialist.
My point in this discussion was more that people seem more sensitive to the phrase “liberal-democrat” than to the phrase “conservative-republican”
and the most interesting thing to add to that… is that it is so unpopular to be a republican right now.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
Dems need to work on marketing
and find a way to spend “Big Borrowing” conservatives the same way “Big Spending” is tied to Democrats.
After all, the Repubs proved in 2000-2006 that they don’t spend less than the Dems. They just piss it away on different things. Bridges to Nowhere, Giveaways to Agribusiness, more Medicare entitlements. Republicans are every bit as fond of bloated government as Democrats, they just want their friends getting the kickbacks.
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hah...
well I have no arguments with your statements there… there is a virus in Washington, and there are very few prescriptions for it. Obama isn’t going to be any better than McCain when it comes to spending/borrowing… if anything, McCain should be appealing in that he thought the Bush Tax Cuts were irresponsible with increased spending, and that he is a pretty strong and consistent opponent of pork spending!
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
McCain
has been saying there won’t be new taxes. There is a lot of blasting of Obama for his new taxes.
Personally, I’d rather see one of the candidates come out with the spending they plan on cutting, but both are mum about that because realistically both candidates are going to spend like drunk sailors on shore leave.
I think McCain has the easier message to sell. After all, a lot of Americans are Dumb enough to believe you can spend money without assessing taxes, and it all works out. It’s easy to sell Santa Claus and the Tooth fairy in this country.
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if anyone
had the nerve to cut spending, I’d be excited, republican or democrat. Neither will do it, but I think you’re more likely to see spending controlled by McCain than Obama. Of course… you are right, Obama might do more to cut the gap…. but it’s a matter of perspective on how you want to get there.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
Well,
I used to be able to buy that, til 2000-2006. Now im voting Dem because at least there will be offsetting taxes to the spending.
If McCain wants my vote, he could make a list of where he is going to cut $50-$100 billion annually.
Barring that, I’ll go with the more sane fiscal approach of paying for what you spend.
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mccains...
…vison on money isn’t lucid… he can’t go three days without sticking his foot in his mouth regarding something with finance… either his homes, the 5million in income makes you middle class, the i-don’t-know-how-the-economy works thing… besides his tak plan would save his family $370K… and my family $300…
i just don’t think he has a firm grasp on real world financial workings…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
I just don't see
How raising the capital gains tax is going to help do anything but discourage growth.
Now, the top Bush bracket? I’m willing to listen.
by brettgardner on Aug 23, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Id rather they go after income
or even better consumption, but the few percentage points for capital gains aren’t gonna drag the economy to a screeching halt.
I just have the wacky notion that a balanced budget should be the norm, rather than the aberration it currently is.
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x
Using resources to stimulate the economy is a critical feature of modern government. That’d be nearly impossible with a strict balanced budget requirement, especially when you consider that increased taxes in other growth areas will make the currency sluggish already.
Also, a consumption tax is such a bad idea.
by brettgardner on Aug 23, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I never said
that there should be a strict balanced budge requirement, however, there should be as many years of surplus as there are deficit. The only way consistend deficits are sustainable is through devaluation of the currency.
There is nothing wrong with consumption taxes. They are used all over the world, and in most states in this country.
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Right...
And a national consumption tax would be placed on top of those state taxes, only adding to their regressive nature and making it more difficult for lower-income families to survive.
What other taxes would levy upon all of us in the name of fiscal responsibility? Energy? Internet? Gas?
by brettgardner on Aug 23, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
yep!
sales taxes are very regressive. most people that engage in the argument understand it, but for those of you that don’t get it… low-income households spend a higher percentage of their income on taxable sales goods, relative to high-income households. And it makes sense if you think about it, a household that makes 30k is going to spend say… 10-15k just on consumption? so nearly 50%… A household that makes 200k isn’t going to spend 100k on consumption goods. There is only so much you can spend on clothing and cars in a year.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
on a lighter note...
I’m watching the Olympic Women’s Basketball Final… don’t ask why… And they showed the Men’s team in the stands watching, and one of the players was wearing a Texas Rangers hat! I don’t really watch basketball, so I don’t know who he is… maybe someone here can identify him:
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
I hope the guy seated next to Deron catches the fuck on fire
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 23, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I label myself
a conservative leftist moderately liberal progressive. Seems to fit me to a T.
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 23, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't hate the label
I hate people the people of U.C. Santa Cruz who have hijacked the label for themselves, so that they could appropriate it as a label for themselves, despite the fact that their practices and ideals are anything but.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 23, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
In the presidency
Change is going liberal. Unless you want to call Bush and Satan Cheney liberals.
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Change is going liberal
My impression was that Obama aspired to more than that.
by Randy Richardson on Aug 23, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Has Obama
been hiding his liberalism? If you think he has, you haven’t been paying attention very well.
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Why would you include "most liberal"
seems to me if you want change, you’d go from a jesus freak conservative like Bush to a liberal.
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As a Republican,
please let me say thank you.
Joe Fucking Biden???
Do you boys from the left really wonder why you don’t win elections?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Says the guy...
who supports the party that just nominated a 72 year old man who is about to name Mormon Mitt as his VP…… no, thank you.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Have you added...
anything to the discussion in any political thread other than one of two word smarky responses?
Do you know enough to discuss a topic with someone or do you just plan on agreeing with the far right comments and blasting those to the left?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Since when was knowing something about the subject
a pre-requisite to discussing it on this board?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
can't argue with liberals
like djc, ‘cause all he does is make up stuff…so, what’s the point?
to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...
glad GOP dont make stuff up
/ignores war in iraq
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
What stuff did the GOp make up?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Difference
between making stuff up and having bad intel. Did everyone else that said there were WMDs make it up either?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
They were all too willing
to believe that bad intel, despite the fact that many hid misgivings. Those who questioned the intel were shouted down, ignored, or called unpatriotic.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
Hardly anyone
questioned …..look at what percentage of congress approved the War.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Oh, there were some who were against it from the start.
Like that Senator from Illinois…his name escapes me.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
THat has nothing to do with what we are talking
about…but yes he voted against it. That is the only reason why he is the Dem’s candidate, because he certainly doesn’t have anything else to his name.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
CIA gave them intel that said no WMD's were there before the war even started
the head of intel for iraq defected and was our man. he said as much right then. a new book just came out. the guy is a pulitzer winner. read it.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
We also had intel that said tehre were weapons
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
it's cherry picking
oh, we got these 99 pieces of evidence that say NO WMD.
but we got this 1 that says yes. let’s ignore the 99 and keep it secret.
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
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That wasn't the case at all
stop over exaggerating your points it makes you look silly and when you do that people don’t take you seriously.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Bottom line
There weren’t. So regardless it was a huge mistake on the part of a blood-thirsty administration.
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 23, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Jesus Christ
blood-thirsty administration? How is anybody supposed to debate with you when you talk like that?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Regardless
It’s pretty well documented now how we got into the intelligence gaffe.
by Black Francis on Aug 23, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Strong adjectives
generally enhance the point someone is making.
I’m not trying to change your view, as I know that’s not possible. These dialogues are meant more for others who are reading than you and I. So if I can irritate you throughout the process (which it appears I have) that helps take you off your game and makes my arguement look more compelling.
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 23, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I suppose you could
look at it that way. I feel like when you resort to those kind of absurd adjectives it gives off the feeling that even you do not believe that your argument and logic is compelling enough to get the job done.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Seems
That’s the difference between debate and oratorical declamation. One elicits studied response, the other attempts to discredit possible responses in order to make a point.
Heh …….
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Aug 23, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
however
theres a HUGE list of ppl who said they did have them (clintons x2, kerry, gore, etc)
Jun 1994 UNSCOM completes the destruction of large quantities of chemical warfare agents and precursors and their production equipment.
A
Mar 1996 UNSCOM teams are denied immediate access to five sites designated for inspection. The teams enter the sites after delays of up to 17 hours.
17 Sep 1997 While seeking access to a site for inspection declared by Iraq to be "sensitive", UNSCOM inspectors witness and videotape the movement of files, the burning of documents and dumping of ash-filled waste cans into a nearby river.
Oct 1997 UNSCOM completes the destruction of additional, large quantities of chemical weapons related equipment and precursors chemicals. Iraq had previously denied that part of the equipment had been used for CW production. Only in May 1997, on the basis of UNSCOM’s investigations, did Iraq admit that some of the equipment had indeed been used in the production of VX.
feb 1998: "team of UNSCOM international experts conclude unanimously that Iraq has still not provided sufficient information for the Commission to conclude that Iraq had undertaken all the disarmament steps required of it in these areas"
8 Apr 1998 The report of the biological weapons TEM is transmitted to the Council (S/1998/308). As with the other TEMs, the experts unanimously conclude that Iraq’s declaration on its biological weapons programme is incomplete and inadequate.
14 Jul 1998 As a consequence of the high-level talks between the Deputy Prime Minister and the Executive Chairman in June 1998, a team of UNSCOM international biological experts is assembled in Baghdad to review, for the third time, Iraq’s declaration on its biological weapons programme. The experts conclude that the declaration (on outstanding disarmarment)
is not verifiable.
12 Aug 1998 The Executive Chairman informs the Security Council (document S/1998/767) that, in addition to halting all disarmament activities, Iraq’s actions with respect to monitoring have impinged on the effectiveness of the monitoring system and the Commission could not continue to provide the Security Council with the same level of assurances of Iraq’s compliance with its obligations not to reestablish its proscribed weapons programmes.
31 Oct 1998 Iraq announces that it will cease all forms of interaction with UNSCOM and its Chairman and to halt all UNSCOM’s activities inside Iraq, including monitoring. The Security Council, in a statement to the press, unanimously condemn Iraq’s decision to cease all cooperation with UNSCOM.
FROM: http://www.un.org/Depts/unscom/Chronology/chronologyframe.htm
so the UN found VX gas in 91 and held it to destroy until 1997?
I think the danger right now is that without effective inspections, without effective monitoring, Iraq can in a very short period of time measured in months, reconstitute chemical and biological weapons, long-range ballistic missiles to deliver these weapons, and even certain aspects of their developing of nuclear weapons program
scott ritter after resigning.
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by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2008 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Its not surprising Iraq tried to block access
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter
Commentary in the post-inspection period
Scott Ritter speaks at SUNY New Paltz on March 16, 2006.In 1999, Ritter wrote Endgame: Solving the Iraq Problem – Once and For All in which he reiterated his claim that Iraq had obstructed the work of inspectors and attempted to hide and preserve essential elements for restarting WMD programs at a later date. However, he also expressed frustration at alleged attempts by the CIA to infiltrate UNSCOM and use the inspectors as a means of gathering intelligence with which to pursue regime change in Iraq – a violation of the terms under which UNSCOM operated, and the very rationale the Iraqi government had given in restricting the inspector’s activities in 1998.
In the book’s conclusion, Ritter criticized the current U.S. policy of containment in the absence of inspections as inadequate to prevent Iraq’s re-acquisition of WMD’s in the long term. He also rejected the notion of removing Saddam Hussein’s regime by force. Instead, he advocated a policy of diplomatic engagement, leading to gradual normalization of international relations with Iraq in return for inspection-verified abandonment of their WMD programs and other objectionable policies.
Ritter again promoted a conciliatory approach toward Iraq in the 2000 documentary In Shifting Sands: The Truth About UNSCOM and the Disarming of Iraq, which he wrote and directed. The film tells the history of the UNSCOM investigations through interviews and video footage of inspection missions. In the film, Ritter argues that Iraq is a “defanged tiger” and that the inspections were successful in eliminating significant Iraqi WMD capabilities.5 (For more see below under “Documentary”.)
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Or had their spouses
CIA cover blown.
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Try
Your rhetoric makes you sound like you don’t really have a good grasp on what you support. Just an observation.
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 23, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't have to make stuff up
the Republicans record speaks for itself. It’s just low grade morons, such as yourself, don’t have any clue about the truth.
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Good Ol' Longhorn
Consistently proving that less really isn’t more since 2004…
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 25, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if theres ever been a politics sub thread at LSB
Where liberals didn’t get at least the last five mean spirited posts.
The censoring urge is so strong in liberals..look at their constant campaign against Fox News across the internet..
That's a fairly prejudicial take, slc.
Obama is going to need a lot of things to break his way in order to win the election.because I don’t think this country has progressed to the point where a black man can become president. Unfortunate but that’s the way it is.Obama got hammered in several big states by HRC and a big reason why was the color of his skin.
How has this country responded when Democrats have put eastern uber liberal political insiders on the ticket in the past? Kerry – loser. Lieberman – loser. Dukakis – loser. Ferraro – loser. Muskie – loser. Jeeeez, how many times has the Democratic party rejected Biden when he tried to be President? Seems like he was running every four years and usually done by the end of January. Quite frankly, he doesn’t help Obama in any way other than in New England and the far northeast but Democrats probably have those states in the bag without Biden.
As for the Republican party, my choice for McCain’s VP would be Condoleeza Rice (very qualified and it would make libs shit the bed) but I’d be okay with Romney as well. Some of us have progressed to the point where we don’t hold a man’s religion against him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Romney would be a disaster.
I think Rice is interesting, but that’s a ticket with a fairly narrow agenda… national security.
HRC did well largely because of middle-age white women, old (and now stale) political ties, and unions. The only trouble for Obama will be middle-age white women. Unions are pretty much meaningless on the national scene.
But, really, the reason Obama has a better chance to win than McCain is that more Democrats will vote than Republicans. it will only have a little to do with Obama. Once the party sees the chance to gain an advantage in the Legislature and the White House it’s hard to imagine a scenario that would keep Dems from the polls.
Republicans have lost their conservative Christian base. I’m not sure they’ve found a new group to fill in their numbers at the polls.
Go Rangers!
Middle-aged white women
are what helped carry BClinton both times and I think there are a lot of Democratic white males (Hispanics as well) that are going to have a difficult time voting for Obama as well. That happened throughout the primary season.
The race card is going to be played in this election just like it was between HRC & Obama and it has a chance to wreak havoc in the Democratic party.
Another thing, although HRC falls under the northeast liberal umbrella mentioned earlier, I think if she was on the ticket, Obama would win the election by double figures. She’d help a great deal in the hispanic vote and middle aged white women.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
I think Hillary would've made a winning ticket.
Bill could’ve become a massive distraction and potentially someone who could undermine Obama’s (and Hillary’s) ability to lead. I like Biden better in the long haul.
Biden will help out with white middle-class males.
The race card… um, that term is way overused in this election. It’s not the race card to point out that his run at a presidency is historic because of his skin color.
But, really, Obama just needs to avoid missteps. The Democrats are going to come out in bigger numbers than the Republicans. I can’t see any Republican VP that will change that. I can’t see McCain beating Obama with Independents by a large enough margin, even with wayward Hillary-ites, to make up the difference.
Go Rangers!
I don't think
Hilary brings anything but negatives to the ticket.
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Why??
I see McCain winning from getting most of Hillary’s supporters. If she had been Obama’s VP, at least she could have encouraged some of her voters to vote Democrat.
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Hillary's supporters
aren’t turning out for McCain. They might stay at home, but they aren’t turning out for McCain.
I doubt you can find a shred of polling that supports that. Most of Hillary’s support is Democrat base. She doesn’t exactly cross over to conservatives.
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there is a vocal minority
that might vote for mccain but it isn’t that big of a deal.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Eh...
I don’t think the conservative christian base is the problem for the Republican party right now. The Republicans have lost the middle-class, by doing nothing while in office. The Democrats will lose them too. All cyclical.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
the pubs problem is
they hadnt helped middle class, they hadnt helped the christian base, they havent really helped any1 except the military industrial complex and big oil, over the last 8 years.
a judge here and there is all they’ve really given the CC
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
well, the state Republican parties
did orchestrate a lot of gay marriage bans, Bush prevented expansion of embryonic stem cell research, late-term abortion… they were the driving force for a lot of social conservative issues.
But they didn’t address enough mainstream middle-class issues, issues that a majority of people in this country would agree with the Republican party on in ideology, but they don’t take any action.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
Please...
I live in Utah so I obviously I don’t have that big of a problem with mormons or I would have moved long ago. I was also raised LDS and most of my moms family is still active. I feel the same way about the LDS church as I do about all religion.
Biden has only run for the presidency twice. He has a ton of experience, a blue collar backround, and is very intelligent. If that brings nothing to the table then I suppose your statemnet is accurate.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
LDS
I’ve known several Mormon families here in Texas, and they’ve been some of the nicest people you’ll ever meet.
A Mormon candidate wouldn’t bother me, but with the FLDS being such a major story nationally over the past year, I suspect many people in this country would take one look at Romney (or any other LDS candidate) and think “he’s one of those weirdos who dress up like they’re on Little House on the Prairie and marry 12-year-old girls.”
It also doesn’t help that a large number of the prominent Mormon politicians in this country- Romney included- are descended from families who not only practiced polygamy, but were members of Joseph Smith and/or Brigham Young’s inner circle.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
That's what I was hinting at...
in my above post. Getting many people to vote for a republican ticket when the VP is morman would be tough. Do you know what many in the bible belt think of mormons? When I was a kid I got a ton of shit and I wasn’t even going to church at the time. With all the FLDS and polygamy shit going around it would be suicide for McCain to pick Romney. It doesn’t matter to me what religion his VP is, but it may matter to a lot of his potential voters.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
do you know anything about mormonism?
"Water covers 2/3 of the world, T-New's got the rest"
I had a "friend"
beat us down with a talk on mormonism at his going away lunch, and handed out Books of Mormon.
It’s done very well for an almost 200 year old cult.
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Heh
Was there any doubt that Josey was a crotchety old Republican?
by brettgardner on Aug 23, 2008 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope...
His baseball logic is so great, I would love to debate politics with the guy.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
No joke
That’s all I got. In all honesty, Josey seems like an alright guy. But if I’m beating my head against a wall talking baseball, I’m not touching politics with a 10 ft pole.
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amen...
having an opinion doesn’t make you arguement worthy…
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My baseball arguments
rate with just about anybody.
What pisses people off so much about me is how often I’m right.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
wtf?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Aug 23, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Mark Teixeira
still a shoo in for your Hall of Fame?
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Depends on
where he plays the next 12 years and if he stays healthy.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
the next 12 years?
yeah, i guess if he becomes barry bonds he’ll make the hall. but considering 11 of those 12 years he’ll probably have to have seasons that are better than ones he’s already had, you seem to be backtracking a bit.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Because he was obviously dead wrong
Mark Teixeira has always been “the next tier down” from a Hall of Famer. At any given time he’s been about the 6th-12th best 1B in baseball, and that ain’t a Hall of Famer.
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i dunno.
i think saying you’re right is like saying you’re tall. if its really the case you wouldn’t have to announce it.
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* lines up to get into a deep politcial discussion *
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
The election is all about money. The Dems have alot more. Unlike Hicks,
they will spend it to win.
Go Rangers!
Halosheaven isn't a great place for any good political debate due to ground rules
you boys over here any better, or can I expect typical texas-demographic, overwhelming republicanism where i’d be overwhelmed in any debate by the sheer volume of responses to my diatribes?
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 23, 2008 2:19 AM CDT reply actions
Meh.
I think there’s a good mix of left and right. Obviously stay away from anyone who uses hyperbole either way, but otherwise, people around here are pretty logical and won’t just call you names because of your political opinions.
All I would say is, if you’re going to make an argument, have something to back it up. The quickest way to get people on LSB to turn on you is to simply spout off without having facts to back it up.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
It might have changed
but the last time we did a demographics poll, there were more people on the right, but… a caveat to that is that most republicans on here don’t really engage in the political discussions .
There are some pretty significant disincentives if there are few established people that will support some of the things you have to say, and a lot that will lambaste you.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
Well
Nobody cares about your opinion, so no matter what it is, you can be sure of that. Though we will all be more than willing to overwhelm you with indifference, Diatribe Boy. Give us some gold. We’re all rubes in Texas, after all.
by brettgardner on Aug 23, 2008 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm always up late...
usually get 6 hours of sleep a night. That’s plenty for me.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Man, at six hours, I'm just getting started.
I’m that guy who can sleep from 11pm until noon.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
I used to do that all the time.
I would sleep from 4am to 3pm every Monday/Wednesday/Friday as a Junior/Senior. Graduating and getting jarred into a 8:00 – 5:00 job really sucked for the first few months.
I still eff up my sleep schedule on weekends out of habit.
I'm "working"
If reading counts as work.
by brettgardner on Aug 23, 2008 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions
What do you do...
if you don’t mind me asking?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I'm just a student.
So “work” was really inappropriate, I think.
by brettgardner on Aug 23, 2008 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah...
been there.
Being a student was a hell of a lot more work than the “work” I do now. I don’t think it’s inappropriate at all to refer to it as “work”.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Just because it's the stereotypical demographic doesn't mean I buy it
hell, halosheaven has a fairly liberal slant to it, and its in the conservative-happy O.C.
I, however, am of the fence-sitting devil’s advocate variety. I can either hide my beliefs from people by playing close to the chest as long as I want, or spout off obnoxiously. I’d call myself a left-leaning moderate, but I dunno how well the label fits. Let’s just say my self-interests are too strong to be a social liberal.
Plus, I spent a year and a half at U.C. Santa Cruz, and would rather not call myself a liberal ever again after seeing it identified with those folks.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 23, 2008 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
I’m sure we can all pull together as a team to find a controversial issue for you to ride the fence on.
by brettgardner on Aug 23, 2008 2:43 AM CDT up reply actions
OPS+ vs. VORP
ISSUES THAT MATTER: DISCUSS.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 23, 2008 2:44 AM CDT up reply actions
vorp.
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
Also, I'm used to people not caring about my opinion
as every blogger should be. It’s why we’re here in the first place. ;)
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 23, 2008 2:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Well (weak attempt at humor warning)
You’ve stepped out from an iconoclastic cult into a rather more interesting free for all, and you’ll find polar opposites from that political fence, neither of which will electrify it but there is the occasional jolt.
If only we did as well at baseball!
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Aug 23, 2008 3:10 AM CDT up reply actions
this blog fits the texas demographic a lot more than any1 cares to admit.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
How do you figure?
It seems that the people who speak up on the blog are typically moderate to liberal. This is not like Texas. When there has been any kind of polling, I believe it has been closer to an even split of liberal to conservative. This is also not like Texas.
Ephesians 1:3-10
That doesn't even make any sense...
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Not really
Unless we’re in Austin…
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 25, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this is a good pick for Obama
because Biden has done something productive in his political career. I’m not sure what Obama has ever done. So I guess this is good for him?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
To be fair
I just don’t see how sponsoring a few more bills over a few more years would prepare anybody for anything other than a fruitful career in the Senate.
I’m not looking for accomplishments in the President, just the judgment, vision and intelligence necessary to do the job well. Granted, more “paper” makes the job of determining those qualities easier from an objective standpoint, but it’s not necessary.
by brettgardner on Aug 23, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
judgment, vision and intelligence
How do you know whether Obama has that? The best way to learn about someone is to look at their past experiences and how they have performed. Unfortunately Obama doesn’t have one.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Well
Like I said, I know it’s easier to determine with an extensive record, but I’m supposing that it’s possible to determine those qualities from a both a relatively limited record and endless campaigning. Some may disagree, but that’s the basis of the vote, essentially.
by brettgardner on Aug 23, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
it doesn't really matter
voters look to voting records when making decisions only when it is pointed out to them. In the absence of voting records, they just look to see if they like the guy better.
I don’t foresee a problem. mccain doesn’t seem to like to point to his old voting record anyway since he’s transformed himself in the last year.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Yeah
McCain hasn’t focused on that but instead on Obama’s lack of experience. I thought the “celebrity” ad was another great job by the GOP. Style, no substance.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
That ad was pathetic...
wit ’til McCain runs another ad like that and see how Biden responds.
To even mention Paris Hilton in a political ad is a embarrassment.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Embarrassment?
You’re clearly delusional. Mccain’s attacks on Obama’s energy plan and lack of experience are the reason why the polls have swung in Mccain’s favor. You are delusional my flaming liberal friend.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
paris hilton is an embarassment
to america. bringing her up as a political trump card was a reach at best and her response in her funny retort made the McCain campaign look dumb.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
No it didn't
she sided with mccain’s energy plan…
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
that wasnt the real point and she didnt really side with his plan
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
You mean those 2 out of 9 polls?
General Election: McCain vs. Obama
Poll Date Sample Obama (D) McCain® Spread
RCP Average 08/10 – 08/22 — 45.0 43.4 Obama +1.6
Gallup Tracking 08/20 – 08/22 2665 RV 46 44 Obama +2
Rasmussen Tracking 08/20 – 08/22 3000 LV 48 46 Obama +2
FOX News 08/19 – 08/20 900 RV 42 39 Obama +3
CBS News/NY Times 08/15 – 08/19 869 RV 45 42 Obama +3
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 08/15 – 08/18 1005 RV 45 42 Obama +3
LA Times/Bloomberg 08/15 – 08/18 1248 RV 45 43 Obama +2
Reuters/Zogby 08/14 – 08/16 1089 LV 41 46 McCain +5
Quinnipiac 08/12 – 08/17 1547 LV 47 42 Obama +5
Battleground 08/10 – 08/14 1000 LV 46 47 McCain +1
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 23, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
before those ads it was 0 out of 9….
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Yes I'm delusional...
so says the neo-con who still supports and backs the policies of the current administration.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Yeah I support a lot of them
not sure how that makes someone delusional.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
current reality dictates you are
given the current situation of the nations on earth and the rapid aggression and inflation of the world today, do you want your children and their children to grow up with continued policies going the same direction for the next 20+ years?
if the answer is yes, well, their are a lot of questions to ask yourself you may not be asking right now.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Yeah I would want my children
to live under a lot of the policies set forth by the administration. Do I disagree with some of them? Yes. Would I disagree with a lot more set by Obama? Yes.
Okay Jayslick…I should ask myself a lot of things. You were the one that was celebrating someone’s death on this board earlier….so if anything you should be asking yourself a lot of questions.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
yeah but you always lack long term vision with the rangers.
its no surprise you would lack long term vision with the american political system. besides, you dont even remember who that guy i was “celebrating.” if you did, you would have named him.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
You're being
ridiculous and you know it. Stop acting immature. If you want to debate that’s fine but you’re just being silly now and stating things that just aren’t true.
And lack long-term vision with the Rangers? Based on what"?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
greinke!!!
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Newberg, AJM, Hindman
and about half this board wants Greinke here for the right price. So are they also not concerned with the long-term future of the Rangers?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
What?
…because Biden has done something productive in his political career. I’m not sure what Obama has ever done.
I guess you missed my reply in the other thread about Obama and legislation. Or you’re ignoring it.
by Black Francis on Aug 23, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
No I missed it...
Can you tell me what Obama has done of significant relevance in his political career?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
I left you links
Go fetch. I think it was in sharky’s thread.
by Black Francis on Aug 23, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a good pick.
It takes a bullet out of McCain’s six-shooter.
I think it illustrates Obama’s decision process, which has never been to get a quick fix but to think long term. See his race speech as an example. Obama clearly sees that national security will be one of the top issues of the next president’s agenda and rather than selecting someone that might be able to give Obama a few more votes in a couple of key states he addressed a perceived and probably real weakness.
McCain’s first attack was impotent:
“There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama’s lack of experience than Joe Biden,” McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written statement.
“Biden has denounced Barack Obama’s poor foreign policy judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are quickly realizing — that Barack Obama is not ready to be president.”
So, McCain’s argument is that Obama can convince harsh critics to work with him? I don’t think that’s going to convince any swing voters. It might whip up the Republican base a bit, but even at that it’s pretty weak compared to the days of Rove.
Go Rangers!
and obama said
he want’s a VP that’s not a YES man. biden doesn’t seem like a guy that’ll shutup and take it like a man. like colin powell.
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NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
its really a shame...
…how the “us vs them” culture of america has made “liberal” and “conservative” bad words… it makes me sad to see how absolutely dumbly divided our country can be sometimes, and how a lot of that division comes from either incorrect information or incompetence… i can’t relate how glad i am we have a republic because true democracy scares the $hit out of me with our mob mentality… mud slinging politicians pandering away, as the people who most identify with them do the same to there fellow americans who they feel don’t deserve the same kinda of freedom of personal beliefs as they do…
and some say this is the reason why we have a “great country”… the reason “america is worth fighting for”… and “our right to believe and say whatever we want” is fundamental….. i’m starting to think thats not always a good thing, and again, greatful the founding fathers decided to remove a lot of the power from the masses…. cause if society was a teenager i wouldn’t trust it with a pair of scissors and a clear path to run….
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
ha.
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
Biden
loves to stick his foot in his mouth and with more exposure I’m afraid he’s going to be well-meaning but say something that will get the whole campaign into hot water.
Biden’s certainly not the safe pick which can cut both ways obviously…
What's the rumpus?
Lots of candidates
in this election can load up both barrels, and unload them into their foot. McCain’s gonna say some crazy shit before all is said and done.
What's the secret to a long life? "I masturbate a lot"-Ernest Borgnine. http://www.bestweekever.tv/2008/08/14/icymi-ernest-borgnine-reveals-his-secret-for-everlasting-youth/#onepage
Concur...
Biden will say what he feels and won’t pull punches. He could very well say something that causes controversy. Although I feel like Obama and McCain will do the same before the campaign is over as well.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
he already has w/ obama
last yr
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2008 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
That's just the way Biden is...
if Obama is doing something that he doesn’t like or he disagrees with he will let him know too. That’s one of the things I really like about the guy.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
yea
and its why hes a good pick for veep
…but also why he could be a bad pick as well
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Aug 26, 2008 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions
not a terrible pick
but there might not have been a better pick out there. I would have gone with Nunn and I was warming up to the idea of Reed from Rhode Island. I could see the pitfalls of Reed but not sure what the downfall of Nunn was, other than he flat out refused it.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
im just not sold biden helps him win a state
thats not a good sign.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
yep...
and I think Obama is being a little too confident if he thinks he doesn’t need as much help as he can get. This election is going to be a lot closer than anyone thinks.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
really?
McCain just had a great month and Obama still has a lead in both the national polls and the EC ( Obama has a tiny lead in Montana and Alaska for christ sakes) . McCain pretty much needs to win 8 or 9 out of the 12 battleground states to pull it out. The democrats have put so many more states in play this year that McCains margin for error is really small.
The latest
National polls show MccAin either tied or leading. That means all those super close battleground states just shifted to McCain.
Also, personally I dont take polls coming from the liberal media (virtually all organized media in the US) at face value, and I dont think anybody else does either. Everybody knows McCain is probably doing a good deal better than polls show at any given moment.
The demographics just work against Obama, that was proved by Hillary, she fucking destroyed him in most primaries where actual people voted (including the record 41 point loss in West V), while Obama cleaned up in Caucuses where the liberal bullies minority ruled.
And yeah, I dont know what poll has Obama leading in Alaska, but trust me, he isnt going to win Alaska.
When was the last time a VP choice really helped win an election?
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 25, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
or hurt one
for that matter? Don’t see it being a big deal, either way.
What's the secret to a long life? "I masturbate a lot"-Ernest Borgnine. http://www.bestweekever.tv/2008/08/14/icymi-ernest-borgnine-reveals-his-secret-for-everlasting-youth/#onepage
actually cheney
helped give people comfort with the idea of an inexperienced president in G.W. Bush.
didnt work out that great, but hey…
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Al Gore
Interesting strategy by the Dems to have two young southern candidates on the ticket.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Huh? Biden will help in Penn, Virginia, Ohio, and Indiana. The guy grew up in Scranton, he will definitely help with working class voters in that region.
Rendell + Biden
Can only help Obama in Penn.
by brettgardner on Aug 23, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
True, although I don't think Penn was really ever in play
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 25, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
he was born in PA. Not sure that will help the dems there much though.
I just don’t like the idea of taking a guy from a state just because you need to carry that state. Not sure that was the main decision for Kerry in ‘04 but Edwards couldn’t even carry NC for him. I think you should take the best person possible. You can argue if Biden is that choice, but I have no problem with him not being for a “swing” state.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
edwards wasnt ever gonna carry NC though
and every1 knew it. i have family in NC and edwards was never gonna carry that state. very big mistake on kerry’s part.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
there wasn't anyone that was going to win a state
except bayh and IN. After being a huge Bayh supporter previously, I’ve cooled on him enough where I don’t care about that anymore.
And, like people said below, Biden helps enough in IN, OH, PA to where he can help deliver them – which is all Obama really needs.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
i wanted richardson
executive branch experience and he can give ya New Mexico and Colorado, and helps in Nevada. Unfortunately i think obama is so busy backtracking and on his heals with hillary supporters that i dont think he had the guts to go against them, which is what richardson would have been. Obama wouldnt have been in this situation if he had ever told the clinton to (in a politically effective manner) shove it up their asses. he didnt. he was “respectful” he didnt “step on any1’s toes” he in other words, isnt in control of his own party and that so far has been his biggest mistake.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
richardson is the one
that went to north korea and helped make the deal which made them quit making nukes and selling them to pakistan so that pakistan could nuke india. handy. problem: bush admin. shit talked it. belittled it. played “hardball” for 5+ years of thier admin. while N. Korea made nukes etc. only to agree to the exact same deal.
thats fuct.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Well
I worked with the guy. He’s a boob. Granted, I didn’t spend much one on one time with him, but the time I did spend, along with the people he put around him, have me pretty confident in my opinion.
by brettgardner on Aug 23, 2008 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
That's one hell of an accomplished boob
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 25, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
so is bush
"Water covers 2/3 of the world, T-New's got the rest"
rofl
+1
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
He's
Charming, intelligent and ambitious. “Boob”, to me, does not mean stupid. Richardson struck me as a guy who never cared for developing policy or a long-term vision. He seemed like a guy who collected all these merit badges over his life and then expected to be handed the big stuffed bunny when he cashed out, without having to do any real work.
He put a bunch of goofuses around him, at least in Iowa, who were essentially little more than “yes” men and college freshmen. They bumbled about and were stunned when just standing there didn’t get them anything.
by brettgardner on Aug 25, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
He should be in the private sector
That’s a spot-on description of half of corporate America.
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 28, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably was never truly realistic
but from a completely selfish standpoint, I really wanted Chet Edwards to come out of nowhere to get it.
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 23, 2008 11:36 AM CDT reply actions
chet edwards
too conservative, wasn’t going to happen
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
not enough experience either.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Three things that I thought might way in his favor
1) Very military friendly and a good command of military-specific policy
2) The “change” motto: while Edwards has served 17 years in congress, his relative obscurity would play much better in a “change” campaign than Biden.
3) He’s George Bush’s congressman; kind of a slap at the Bush Republicans … if there still is such a thing.
But, yeah, I didn’t really think it would happen … just wishful thinking.
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 23, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Think of the campaign problems though
Obama/Edwards ’08: No, not THAT Edwards.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 25, 2008 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Keeping it Clean
That looks like a good clean, well-spoken ticket. Maybe Biden can even write/steal a few speeches for Obama. With his 6 terms of experience he should really hell bring about the change to Washington, Obama has been promising.
All of this was said tongue in cheek
This veep choice just made me laugh. It is just funny that the media went after Biden hard when he stepped in it with his “good, clean, well-spoken…” comments. It was really a non-news story then, but they were fighting for their guy. Their guy wins the primaries and turns around a chooses the very guy the media claimed was so offensive.
Ephesians 1:3-10
Humor is not your thing
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 25, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Biden and our Political Culture
I think Biden will be a solid pick. I think Republicans are happy right now but will eventually be disappointed. Biden is one of the best debaters I’ve ever seen (watch some old meet the press videos). If McCain picks the MN Governor it will be a sad day in the McCain world. I’ve also seen Romney debate before and after watching the Romney-Kennedy debate, I think he would have the same fate. I personally believe that some people are telling pollsters that they won’t vote for Obama because of his lack of experience aren’t telling the real truth. I believe it’s because of his race (I’m not saying all people but some). 48% of the remaining undecided voters were HRC supporters some speculate that these democrats have a hard time because of this. I think Biden needs to make the case that people were scared of JFK because he was a catholic and people of that time believed the Pope was going to take over America. I think Obama shouldn’t characterize himself as a Black American. He is half-white/half-black and he should talk about how he got the best of both worlds. Also, I’m tired of ideologues. These people aren’t educated and they vote. I’m talking about the people who think John Kerry was not a war hero, John McCain is a clone of Bush (McCain actually hates him and McCain’s daughter for a fact didn’t vote for him) and calling Obama the name Obama bin laden. The sad thing is these people actually decide who’s going to win.
Just you wait
until the Obama bin Biden talk starts on Fox News.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 23, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
semi-OT: Democratic Convention in Denver
I was in Denver last night (I live in Boulder) and everything was geared up for the convention. Cops were on every street corner downtown, and there were herds of 10-12 cops walking down the sidewalk in places. I can’t imagine what it’ll be like starting Monday.
But there’s banners everywhere, and signs. A lot of businesses are getting into the act by putting up clever signs. The best was on the marquee of a nightclub—all it said was “Discobama.” There was a strip club across the street that had on its marquee, “We have the sexiest democrats.”
The coolest part, for me, since I couldn’t get a ticket to Invesco for the big shindig, is that Public Enemy is having a free concert on Thursday at one of the parks in Denver. I’m totally going.
I just hope
McCain picks Romney, then the Repubs are in the drivers-seat. Pawlenty would be ok.
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
Romney
People think Romney is a good choice on paper. But in the long term people are going to ask questions about Mormonism. Slavery, Polygamy, Warren Jeffs and the magical underpants. This could seriously hurt the campaign. I doubt McCain wants to answer questions on magical underpants.
by Monkey Brain on Aug 24, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
what in the world
does Mormonism have to do with his policies? I’m a Christian and I am as big of a Romney supporter as one will find. I’m not arguing with your point because it may be true, I’m saying what is people’s problem? It’s a sad day when a candidate is or is not elected for his religion and not because of his policies. The media stole the nomination from Romney and now they’re going to steal his vice presidential opportunity.
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
That's nice that you can look past his Mormonism
too bad your opinion doesn’t reflect consensus:
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 24, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is not to say that consensus is Mormon = bad, either
It’s just that there are enough people in the country right now who don’t want to vote for a Mormon in any capacity that it can be damaging. Factor in the fact that Romney’s “sudden conversion” to being pro-life and pro-all-other-Republican-stances doesn’t necessarily sit well with a lot of Americans, either. The evangelical base of America needs to be inspired within their communities to get out the vote and really, really be behind their candidates like they were in ‘04. Romney just does not, and cannot, inspire that level of enthusiasm. His selection wouldn’t come close to putting McCain “in the driver’s seat.” NO ONE buys that. Not even “We Report, You Decide” channel.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 24, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
o no!
not freerepublic! < /sarcasm>
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
You linked
Me to some similarly-biased drivel. I wouldn’t go high-fiving anyone just yet.
by brettgardner on Aug 25, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
i was being sarcastic
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
It’s the reality of the world we live in. Millions of American are xenophobic some will not vote for Barack because he’s half-black and some will not vote for Romney because he’s a Mormon.
by Monkey Brain on Aug 24, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Rage against the Machine is playing the DNC
that should be fun:
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
The Democratic Convetion has lots of good acts
Death Cab for Cutie, Cold War Kids, and some others.
Meanwhile the GOP convention is trotting out a bunch of has beens and never-will-bes. Smashmouth, The Beach Boys. How fitting.
by Black Francis on Aug 24, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
rage is playing both i believe.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
No they're not
They’re playing in Minneapolis that week, and not by coincidence, but I don’t think there’s enough money in the world to get those guys to play FOR the RNC.
by Black Francis on Aug 24, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
you sure?
i gotta buddy with Amnesty Int. and he has a meeting set up with rage in denver.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
i'll take
those two oldies but goodies over those no-names any day.
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
And...
….you’d say the exact opposite if they were playing the GOP convention.
They’re not no-name bands. Anybody under 35 knows them unless they don’t have taste in music.
Also, I don’t think I’d characterize Smashmouth as “oldies”. I mean they got old the instant I heard them, but they’re a contemporary band. Just bullshit commercial music.
by Black Francis on Aug 24, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
"Anybody under 35 knows them unless they don’t have taste in music."
i don’t know who they are and i do have good taste in music. most good music is from the 80’s and 90’s. Everything post-2004 is horrible for the most part. There is NO good rock music these days. none
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on Aug 24, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahh...
so you’re a big fan of that 80’s butt rock huh?
Some people would argue that the 60’s and 70’s were far superior and the 80’s is when music died. Now I grew up in the 80’s so I like some of it, but it’s hard to say “most good music is from the 80’s and 90’s”. I will agree that there has been very little of late worth a shit though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
dstar
aren’t you like 12 years old?
What the hell do you know about 80’s and 90’s music. Did your neo-con uncle brainwash you about music as well?
Music
60’s were the best by far with the Beatles, The Beach Boys, Bob Dylan, Rolling Stones, Cream, The Who, Hendrix (although I think he’s a tad overrated), . 70’s were okay John Lennon solo music was great, Led Zep and Pink Floyd shined through in this era. 80’s were horrible in my view except for U2. The music died when Lennon got shot— Time Magazine. When Lennon got shot he was starting to make some of his best music. His best song was Grow Old With Me but he never got to finish it. You can listen to the demos on you tube. A little trivia U2 wanted John Lennon to produce their first album.
by Monkey Brain on Aug 25, 2008 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions
any mention of the 60's
without mention of the yardbirds is missing the ship.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Agreed
Eric Clapton is a genius in music. Another fact John Lennon wanted to replace George Harrison in the Beatles with Eric Clapton when George threatened to leave the band.
by Monkey Brain on Aug 25, 2008 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Replacements
another great 80s band.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 25, 2008 5:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Best decade for music
I vote for the 1820s. Beethoven 9, Schubert in his pre-syphilis heyday, Berlioz’ Symphonie Fantastique…
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
funny post lol
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Beg to differ
It’s the 70’s hands down.
Best rock, best country, best reggae, best soul/funk, some of the best blues. If it was music, and it was the 70’s, it was good, baby.
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 25, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
If it was music, and it was the 70’s, it was good, baby.
Rock the Boat, Billy Don’t be a Hero, and Brand New Key beg to differ.
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are you a genesis and yes fan?
or have the think for Pfunk?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Pfunk: hell yes
Genesis: hell no.
Yes: maybe…
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 25, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Best music was from
1968-1976.
A few thoughts…
Rolling Stones during their Mick Taylor period were never better. Sticky Fingers & Exile are considered classics but there are some nice nuggets although there wasn’t as much consistency on Goats Head Soup (Winter, Coming Down Again), It’s Only Rock n Roll (Time Waits For No One, Till The Next Time We Say Goodbye). Not sure how much Taylor contributed to Black & Blue but Hand of Fate is one of my favorite songs, ever.
The Who’s window of greatness was ’69-73 (Quadrophenia may be the greatest album, ever).
Pink Floyd’s run of Dark Side, Wish, and Animals (my favorite) was music at a very high level.
I think Hotel California is still an excellent album.
Neil Young was from another planet during this time. An unequaled talent, have you heard the CD with him live at Massey Hall in Toronto (1972ish?)/
The black artists of that time were making incredible music that stands up today…Marvin Gaye (What’s Goin On is one of the best songs ever written).
Lennon & McCartney’s solo work in early 70’s was very salty.
I’m not one of those cavemen who believe music died in the mid 70’s because there has been great music produced since that time…U2, Pearl Jam, Petty, The Clash but the window of ’68-76 still stands up as the greatest period of music in my life.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Heh
Was every black artist making incredible music? Did they unionize into one collective Black Man group? Would you say that the white artists of that time were making incredible music? I can think of some shitty white bands.
by brettgardner on Aug 26, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
There were several black artists making
great music during that time you fucking twit.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Better to be a fucking twit
Than a clueless racist, I suppose.
by brettgardner on Aug 26, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly how
was I being racist by saying the black artists of the day were making incredible music?
Marvin Gaye, Al Green, James Brown, Sam Cooke, Temptations, Ben E. King, Smokey Robinson were all black and were all making incredible music.
How is that a racist statement?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Aug 26, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
There’s an inherent sense of paternalism, if nothing else. You’re making it seem shocking that black people could be making good music.
And why does it matter what color they are? You didn’t preface your admiration of other artists with their race. If somebody’s making good music, why does he have to be lumped in with all other black artists? That’s not to mention that they should be judged the same as anybody else— there were shitty black artists, shitty white artists, and shitty hispanic artists.
by brettgardner on Aug 26, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
you guys would argue about the color of the sky
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
I said nothing whatsoever
about being shocked that black people could make good music and there is no “inherent sense of paternalism.”
That is nothing but typical politically correct bullshit espoused by by big liberal gashes such as yourself.
The topic within the topic was what was good music with no racial overtones whatsover and I expressed my thoughts.
If you want to throw the gloves down with me, find a legitimate platform and we’ll go but try to do something better than calling me a racist.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Aug 26, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Hah!
I love that I’m a liberal now because you’re a hick racist. I’ve got all kinds of hippie notions like equality up my sleeve, man.
And did some old man just challenge me to a fight? Yeah, Josey, come on down, brotha. I’m game, but I don’t fight anyone who doesn’t come to the fight in a f250 with a confederate flag superimposed on the back window.
Unless you were just talking about a regular argument, in which case I won’t “go” with you, because I can get more intellectual satisfaction trying to give myself a blumpkin.
Now quick, give us all a good wry expression to show us how Outlaw you are.
by brettgardner on Aug 26, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
BG, why didn't you just say
you had nothing?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Because
That’s a given.
Any other questions? Would you like to come fight me now? Or would you like to keep trying to prove that you’re not a racist? Wanna compare conservative bona fides? Tell me how much Daniels sucks?
Whatever you want. You’re the star here.
by brettgardner on Aug 26, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Aren't you in another
thread bemoaning the fact that some bookstores sell books with stickers of Oprah’s face on them?
What a racist motherfucker.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Snooze
Pt. 2. If this is the best you have, and it clearly is, I genuinely feel sorry for you.
But I would invite you to check out my response over there, champ.
by brettgardner on Aug 26, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
So the faux intellectual
becomes the Claude Lemieux turtle when it’s time to throw down and claims to be asleep…typical liberal answer.
Sorry for the brief, entertaining interlude with BG. Can we push this aside and get back to talking about good music?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Curious
Why do you think I’m liberal? Because I think you’re some grumpy racist? That’s an odd leap.
Throw down? You regurgitated some fuzzy-headed mush in several different threads. If that’s how you win arguments, then I say good job. You’ll never lose.
by brettgardner on Aug 26, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
We're here because
you made the brilliant observation/accusation that I was a racist for claiming that the black artists of the 70’s made great music.
You were anxious for some kind of confrontation, got it and now you’re still looking out your earhole because you’re boxed in by your own stupidity and poor judgment.
Learn from your mistake and move on.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Mmm.
You know, I’m seriously concerned for you, Josey. I know you probably don’t believe it, but I am. Your tendency to turn anything into grounds for violence is a bit telling. Were you abused as a little Outlaw? That’s nothing against your parents, who obviously raised a fine young bigot, but if there was an uncle or somebody else you’re still trying to take your anger out on, there are places to go for help.
I’m just a person you’ll never meet, friend. No need to put up this front. If calling me stupid and mixing metaphors is your coping mechanism, then that’s fine. We’re all here for you, buddy. You can keep insulting me if it suits you. I know people from broken homes have that tendency. Just letting you know, it’s fine.
by brettgardner on Aug 26, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the big comeback, BG?
Go back to sleep.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
If we can make this a bareknuckle fight to the death
and sell tickets for the live feed through Lonestarball, we’d never have to have commercials on this site again.
Brettgardner Vs. Josey Wales, in a cage, with only one getting out alive.
I like the sound of that.
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Hey
I’ll be his Huckleberry.
I was a mean fighter in pre-k. I’m sure I could still remember some of those moves.
by brettgardner on Aug 26, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
You forgot the greatest of them all
Stevland Hardaway Morris…
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 26, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
ummm....
maybe because i’m not narrow minded? i give all generations a chance to impress me… many things from the past are important.
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
I fail to see
how you not knowing who Death Cab for Cutie makes them no-names. That’s on you, chump. Not the band. Their most recent album went to #1 on the Billboard 200. Sounds pretty non-no-name to me.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 24, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm trying to figure out
Why whatever band is playing at either convention has any significance at all. Is that really meaningful with respect to anything election wise? (understated motive: if bands matter, you probably shouldn’t even consider voting)
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Aug 25, 2008 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Really
they don’t matter at all to me (though I do see a mild amount of humor reflected about the stereotypes each party may have relative to the bands they select).
My point is merely that this kid saying “so-and-so is a no-name band because I’ve never heard of them” is like my girlfriend saying that Johan Santana is a shitty pitcher because she’s never heard of him.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 25, 2008 5:04 AM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter
It’s just sort of symbolic. Moveon.org and the DNC didn’t even have to work to pull in some acts that are making very good music in the here and now. Then you have the RNC: some American Idol Star, the Charlie Daniels Band, Beach Boys, and freaking smashmouth.
Some of the acts playing at the Democratic Convention are successful even if they’re not household names, but many are just talented kids in good bands. Many of those guys will end up just like the rest of us in ten years, not millionaires. Most will have gotten jobs and started families. I don’t know if this is the right way to do it, but indie rock is sort of like music populism, maybe?
The bands playing in Denver are symbolic of the present and future. The bands playing in Minneapolis (except for Rage Against the Machine who’s there to protest and it will probably end up a riot) are representative of the status quo.
It’s just an interesting observation. The music isn’t going to change anyone’s mind, although the musicians may inspire their fan base to be a little more active in politics. And the indie rock fan base are mostly democrats…this also gets some of the bands some needed exposure. In terms of electoral politics it means absolutely nothing.
by Black Francis on Aug 25, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
re: "i do have good taste in music"
Everybody thinks they have good taste in music.
Most don’t.
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 25, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm 23, and I honestly only know
of Rage, of the ones you listed. I don’t really listen to the radio much though… I’m pretty narrow in what bands I will listen to.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
The bands I listed...
They aren’t on the radio. Nothing good is on the radio. That was the implication I made…people with taste in music have to look for it these days because commercial stations give you nothing except crap like smashmouth.
Honestly, there is better music on television ads than there is on the radio.
Rock n’ roll music is alive and well, but the old way of disseminating it is dead. Spend a couple years in Austin and you’ll see that everything is marching on with or without the support of the big record companies. You have to go to Pandora or satellite radio or to shows to find new music. Unfortunately the scene is dead in Dallas. But with the internet good contemporary music can still be found by anyone.
This isn’t a reply to you, but the eighties were a great decade for music. Unfortunately most of the great bands will be overshadowed by the likes of Motley Crue, Poison, and shit like that. The eighties did give us U2, the Clash, Talking Heads, Violent Femmes, REM, etc.
There’s no bad decade for music.
by Black Francis on Aug 25, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
i do agree
that you have to go looking for good music now a days, but i’m so damned stubborn, for the most part. I really get by with just listening to 4 bands: Guster, RHCP, The Beatles, Fastball, and then other random good classic song/bands. The only new music I really seek out are when those 3 active bands put something out.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
The Clash = gift from the 70's
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 25, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
one of the best bands of a generation
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
i linked the mutha f'r
obviously i know the name and screwed it up. but thanx though.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
meh
I think it’s just another example of how Democrats are catering to a specific demographic (young and white) while the Republicans are trying to cater to people across the board…from rednecks (Leann Rimes) to douchebags (Smashmouth) to my parents (Beach Boys).
I personally like more of the Democratic acts, but I’m only 30 (and not a douchebag or a redneck).
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Yep
By any chance were you watching the MSNBC telecast? If you were, perhaps you know why Chris Mathews is acting like an ass towards Keith? Are they having a tiff? It’s awkward.
Actually
There was a gigantic piece in the NYT a few months ago about Chris Matthews. He has very few friends at NBC. He wants to be at the top of the food chain, but the suits don’t like him. He’s resentful of Olbermann’s rapid ascension, and Olbermann thinks Matthews is a comic boob who’s more interested in face time and oneupsmanship than any serious news.
Didn’t see what you were talking about though. I wish I had.
by brettgardner on Aug 26, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahaha, ahaha, aha
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Biden, what a fucking whiff. I called it.
Biden was the worst possible choice, except for a no name minority (like Sibelius) Obama could have made.
At least Kaine would have helped with crucial Virginia, as I’ve said.
Obama destined to join the distinguished scrap heap of Democrat weenie losers like Dukakis, Kerry and Gore.
It’s funny because, the ultra leftists bullied Obama over HRC (the not allowing Mich/Florida delegates to count thing), bullying as they always do, and now he’s going to lose, while HRC would have won. In fact, thats hilarious.
Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway, so not like they had a lot to lose. we can be 70% communist with McCain, 90% with HRC. or 100% communist with Obama, they probably figured it was worth the gamble for the extra 10% since they cant “lose” anyway.
Typical...
ignorant, racist, neo-con spin.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
More losers
John Edwards, Bill Richardson, Joseph Biden, Harold Ford.
Is their any Democrat politician on the national stage who isn’t a huge, scummy, weird car salesman looking loser ??
This MSNBC coverage is disgusting..talk about no pretense of objectivity.
Yes...
I saw a lot objectivity on Fox yesterday when I watched Hannity and Rove talk about the DNC.
Keep ’em coming oh brilliant one. You truly are the voice of reason.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
ahh
its ok, you can turn back to MSNBC and their “objectivity”
there is no unbiased media.
getthefuckoverit.
its HANNITY and ROVE…of course they are not going to be objective on the DNC…
its like expecting OLBERMANN to be “objective” about things…
yes, fox is slanted.
yes, cnn is slanted.
yes, msnbc is horrible.
end of story
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm aware...
all media outlets have a bias, and yes I did turn it back to MSNBC.
I wasn’t the one who started bitching about objectivity, was I?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
racist?
where in that is there something about raceism?
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
There wasn't...
just though I would give Sharky a bit of his own medicine. He always replies with shit that has nothing to do with what was posted. Then in his reply he didn’t even mention it which I thought was pretty damn funny.
You caught it though so kudos to you. Althought you did spell racism wrong. =p
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
yea lol
was half paying attention half thinking about what i should do next @ work lol
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I can only imagine
How DNC coverage from MSNBC must look. Doesnt that violate some sort of conflict of interest law? Is a political party allowed to cover it’s own convention?
“Hey Keith, the Democrats have looked really great tonight!, Really sticking it to those Repubs with speeches that touch the common man here!”
“Yes comrade Chris, that Obama speech hit it right out of the park”
" I agree Rachel, now lets turn to Jonathen Alter"
Anybody watching ABC?
They’re totally throwing Obama under the bus. If the media were so liberal, would they be so quick to actively search out division in the party on the convention floor? Would they lead ‘Nightline’ with phrases like “Buyer’s Remorse”?
Yeah ABC
Not run by liberals like Mark Halperin or whatever.
I’m not watching ABC though.
Maybe they like Hilary Clinton the liberal better.
Or even John McCain the liberal.
Don't like it?
Move to a REAL right-wing country. There are several in South America to choose from.
by Black Francis on Aug 27, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
the media is liberal you dumbshit
PEW and many other orgs have stated that.
there was a poll in the last few years that said the rate of liberal to conservative writers in newspapers is 2:1.
take media with a huge grain of salt.
and yes, maybe they DO like HRC more…every consider that?
o yea, and it IS news that there is division within the party…if you think they are “unified” you are clueless.
what an idea! commenting on the NEWS!
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Newspapers
Are not the only media out there. I think tv is more balanced and talk radio is decidedly more conservative. Blogging is a mess, but probably balanced with equal numbers of nuts on both sides.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
just focused on newspapers…but pew and co have said there is a liberal slant to media in general
sry for not being specific
and i proballyy agree with you on tv/talk radio/blogs
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
they play every republican ad 20+ times a day for free and never do that for dems
hows that a liberal lean?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
who?
tv?
blog?
newspaper?
talk radio?
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
TV
all news channels.
hell the news channels are playing it for free more time than the RNC payed to play it. they are doing McCains job for him
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
lol then maybe the dems should have better/funnier ads?
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't believe there is much media bias if any, overall
In this climate anything that approaches centrist will be labeled “socialist” by some.
Yes, reporters mostly vote Democratic. What about editors, though? The people who decide if a story is published and where it will be in the paper? What about Executive Producers from TV News? I realize that Noam Chomsky is far left, but he’s actually done some interesting work on this and provides quite a bit of evidence that the media is biased not based on what it reports, but what it doesn’t report.
Being a natural skeptic, I take everything with a grain of salt (including Chomsky’s work, but at least I’ll read more than one viewpoint). Thanks for the advice, though.
The polls say that, yes, there is division in the party. But they were very, very quick to seize on that in spite of the words that came out of Clinton’s mouth only moments befrore. They very clearly sought out people on the convention floor who’d say something divisive and we saw very little else. To lead ‘Nightline’ with a phrase like “Buyer’s Remorse” was totally irresponsible. After Clinton’s speech they closed the convention for the night and the delegates were all over the place. There wasn’t enough time to come to a conclusion such as that. It was punditry, and of the kind that could only hurt Obama, who is the Democratic Party’s nominee for President. It was damaging AND baseless. Aside from Sharky it is widely seen (rightly or wrongly) that ABC News is leans left. Well, if they do, why in world would they through the Democratic Party nominee under the bus like that? Even if they liked Clinton more, it makes no sense to do that if you truly lean left.
by Black Francis on Aug 27, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I realize that Noam Chomsky is far left, but he’s actually done some interesting work on this and provides quite a bit of evidence that the media is biased not based on what it reports, but what it doesn’t report.
yea there has been a ton of research that talks about this – great point
and they had to play it up. what other “news” is there when hillary speaks? the media likes her, the current “big thing” is the division in the party, therefore they will report it…
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Experience
Bush only served from 1995-2000 in a elected office but Obama served twice as long in an a elected office. The Republicans are saying that he’s not qualified but he has more qualifications than W did in 2000. So they are either hypocritical or they need to read about W. qualifications in 2000. Obama was a State Senator from 97-04 and as a U.S. Senator from 2005 until now. Also, take in the fact he was the editor of the Harvard Law Review. I still think that people are telling the pollsters that the reason they won’t vote for him is because of inexperience but they are really lying it’s all about his race.
Hypocrites?
No, not the republicans.
Besides W’s daddy was president so that’s all the "experience " he needed.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Wanted to add
That the powers of the Tx Governor is weak. Actually if you know alot about Texas Government you would know that the Lt. Governor in Texas has more power than the actual Governor. That even makes Obama even more qualified than W. in 2000.
by Monkey Brain on Aug 26, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
source?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Dumb?
When you become the Editor of the Harvard Law Review then talk. Also, McCain finished fifth from last at the Naval Academy. Barack is smarter than McCain and is a lot more qualified than W. in 2000. All the crap is he ready to lead crap is a bunch of BS since the Republicans supported W. in 2000.
by Monkey Brain on Aug 27, 2008 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Sure
Watch Barack in any debate, unscripted interview, or even most of his speeches, and it’s obvious he isnt very bright.
No doubt at all a doddering half senile McCain will run circles around him in the debates.
But keep telling yourself Barack is smart, while he runs his campaign into the ground cus he’s an idiot.
I cant wait till he loses and you all turn on him like you did Kerry. The way liberals eat their own who have outlived their usefulness isnt pretty..
Be Specific
What has Obama said that makes you think he’s an idiot?
by Black Francis on Aug 27, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
See my signature
"Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states" - Barack Obama
by LSBUser on Aug 27, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice reference
We can all make shit up, without a link that’s useless.
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
Fair enough
"Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states" - Barack Obama
by LSBUser on Aug 27, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Is it your contention that Obama doesn't know how many states there are?
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 27, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes
"Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states" - Barack Obama
by LSBUser on Aug 27, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Seems more liekly
he just has a lame sense of humor.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
Nope
He’s just a dummy.
"Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states" - Barack Obama
by LSBUser on Aug 27, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok.
You’re right. I’m sure he has no idea how many states there are.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
Do you?
"Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states" - Barack Obama
by LSBUser on Aug 27, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
There are at least
13.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
This gaffe was actually analyzed by a linguist...
…not long after it was made. My memory may fail me, but I don’t think Obama was being funny…he just misspoke. Just before that or just after that he referenced fifty states, and the “7” likely came from the fact that he had just ended a seven state trip.
by Black Francis on Aug 27, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
He looks
tired in that clip. The schedule these guys keep would kill me.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
Yeah.
They have insane schedules. The only people who could probably really identify with them are musicians on tour. Not the established acts, but the ones who play five cities every week for a year at a time.
by Black Francis on Aug 27, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Why
Even engage him? It’s such a silly thing. McCain has said dumb things, Obama has, and everybody else in the world has as well. It’s clear he’s not voting on the basis of Obama’s knowledge or intelligence.
by brettgardner on Aug 27, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Its just if you watch him in debates or unscripted interview
It becomes clear he isnt that bright. Nothing specific.
As I keep saying, remember against HRC, consensus was he at best sort of held his own in the debates. And that was stretching it.
And remember the guy is an admitted cracksmoker. Yeah real bright. Amazing what ultra leftist politicians can get away with admitting in this nation, just like it’s no big deal. You all know as well as I did if a Repub admitted that, his career would be toast.
Shhh!!
"I’ll say something that doesn’t need context: anyone who is a Mariner’s fan is a douchebag." - FuturePants
by inactive lsb user on Aug 27, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah because
George W Bush snorting half of Peru really killed his chances.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Just more liberal spin...
you far left uber liberal you.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Not a candidate out there
dumber than Bush, and he won twice.
What's the secret to a long life? "I masturbate a lot"-Ernest Borgnine. http://www.bestweekever.tv/2008/08/14/icymi-ernest-borgnine-reveals-his-secret-for-everlasting-youth/#onepage
Actually there is
For example, Barack Obama.
Maybe we should put ol Barack in an IQ test match against Bush..OH NO THATD BE RACIST lol.
Love to see that match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j76bLFbpuLQ
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway, so not like they had a lot to lose. we can be 70% communist with McCain, 90% with HRC. or 100% communist with Obama, they probably figured it was worth the gamble for the extra 10% since they cant "lose" anyway."-Sharky
Part of it is actually comforting
He clearly has no intentions of launching an invasion or occupation against the ocean, at least. It’s good to know that fishes aren’t part of the axis of evil.
by Black Francis on Aug 27, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Wow...
Ho-ly SHIT!
Who was it that was saying you can’t tell someones intelligence by the way they speak. Knockoutking? Come on. That’s our fucking president for crying out loud, and there are not shortage of other examples like that either.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
if you truly believe you can tell intelligence from talking...what about these? guess obama never messes up either
(yes it was me)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4gFdKuMYL8 (this one is a collection of them – probably the best of em)
no wose than:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws&NR=1 — 57 states
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt4Dw&feature=related – “uh count”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ro-El7WaYQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-q9w_H2ACA&feature=related
Obama told a Portland crowd over the weekend that Iran doesn’t “pose a serious threat to us”—cluelessly arguing that “tiny countries” with small defense budgets can’t do us harm— and then promptly flip-flopped the next day, claiming, “I’ve made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave.”
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
if you listen/watch your quoted material
you wil notice you left out “compared to the soviet union” out of that post, or some1 with an agenda did.
all the rest of those links are based on the same 2 mistakes, one of which is based on where his grandfather was in WW2 which isnt really relevant if he still freed a concentration camp. the other is out of context. one is david letterman who hasnt been funny in a decade. now that is compared to the president of the US of A not knowing the meaning of soveriegnty?
sorry, not the same. not even close. and the idea that a nation could occupy and negotiate with a country about its future sovereignty when its president doesnt understand its mean? thats terrifying.
hey george, you know what soveriegnty means? it means no other nation or group of people can tell your nation or group of people what the hell to do. thats what it means.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
our nation was founded on the belief that we must be soveriegn from england
its the fundamental concept this nation was founded on.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
57 states was a joke even if it sucked BTW
and any1 who actually watches politics and follows it hardcore knows that for a fact.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
um i do follow quite "hardcore"
but its still a fucking dumb quote. even if it is a horrible attempt at humor…its just dumb.
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
fine just dont make it to be fact
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
why do you think he is unintelligent?
honestly…the man is a two-time president of the US.
according to people who have interacted with him hes a pretty smart person. now are you making a difference between being smart and intelligent?
why do you think hes a complete fucking idiot…were not talking idiocracy (the amazing mike judge movie) here…
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry meant
honestly…the man is a two-time president of the US. clearly he has some intelligence
define what you think is intelligent before we go any further please because we may just be talkign about different things here
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
one is a C student and other is the first black man to run harvard law review
and you are bringing up what the difference in their intelligence level is?
isnt it obvious? reverse the 2 people and question and their backgrounds and think about what you would say to me.
one is the grandson of a senator, the son of the former head of the CIA and president. he had a silver spoon in his mouth from the day he was born and made C’s all through college. and by his oown characterization was an “average student”
one is from a broken home whose dad left when he was 2 and lived with his grandmother growing up and worked his way to get into college at Columbia then worked in community service for 3 years before realizing he could help more by graduating from harvard law magna cum laude.
which one has proven to have gone through a more to achieve what they have? which one has shown more intelligence doing it?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
so one is VERY smart and one is VERY dumb?
fuck the backgrounds.
you think a TWO TIME president of the united states is, ingelligence—wise, well below average?
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by knockoutking on Aug 28, 2008 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions
the backgrounds say a lot about the intelligence of the 2
one has worked from the bottom up. he was a mixed race child of a single mother who had to be on food stamps etc to survive and has worked from community college student to the the first black president of harvard law review to the first non white presidential part candidate in history, the other is a 3rd gen politician who was gifted everything he ever has earned, from his education (which he admitted was average at best), to his oil business, to his business connections to buy the rangers, to his political connections to become governor, to his political connections to become president.
which one has had to use and maximize his intelligence and smarts to get to their lot in life? that was my point. given bush’s lot in life, his family’s background and education, i think that if most other semi intelligent citizens in the USA had the exact same opportunities and connections as bush growing up, they’d be in the same place he is.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Thing is.
EVERYBODY uses political connections to get to the top in politics. That’s really an unfair indictment. Sure, some may use them earlier and more often, but everybody uses them. I really don’t see anything inherently wrong with it, either. Networking, as douchy as it is, is an undeniable verity of the modern world.
by brettgardner on Aug 28, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
really?
i completely disagree.
networking/family can only get you so far – and i do NOT think they can win you the office of president
if that was the case his dad would have been a 2 term prez
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by knockoutking on Aug 28, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
networking does only get you so far
it only got him to the presidency.
networking/family can only get you so far – and i do NOT think they can win you the office of president
i notice you didnt use the word elected president but rather won the presidency. for a presidency that was decided by a supreme court full of judges who his father had a hand in getting there and those judges being the final call in who won.
thats one hell of a network job and also has absolutely nothing to do with smarts or intelligence.
ok put a different way:
you are the owner of a company and you are deciding on 2 possible longterm hires, one guy has come from the background of obama, a single parent family who had to be on food stamps etc to survive and has worked from community college student to Columbia to Harvard Law to the first black president of harvard law review. the other is an admitted average C student at Yale with a network of associates that his father and grandfather (who were also a very successful businessmen for our example) ahve put together.
which would you have more confidence in hiring longterm?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
you are missing the point
if you think that his networking won him the supreme court i really dont think there is any point in keeping this arguement going…
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by knockoutking on Aug 28, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
HOLY SHIT!!!
“Our consideration is limited to the present circumstances, or the problem of equal protection in election processes generally presents many complexities.”
exact phrase in the supreme court ruling ^^
so they ruled that the decision didnt hold precedence in any future case.
Q: do you know how many times a supreme court has ruled that?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Sir
I don’t think you know enough about the Court to be arguing this.
by brettgardner on Aug 28, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
No Answer?
got one?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
I do.
A lot. Narrow holdings are exceedingly common. Also, they did not hold that it “doesn’t have precedence.” It has precedence in 14th Amendment jurisprudence, it’s just not strong.
I’m sure to you every Supreme Court case is Roe v. Wade, but it’s just not the case.
by brettgardner on Aug 28, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
precedence?
doesnt apply in Equal Protection Act rulings?
news to me.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
EPA's generally are precendent setting rulings
and conservative judges never support EPA cases that come up.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Again
Huh? What is the Equal Protection Act? Are you referring to the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment?
And please—you clearly have NO idea what “conservative” justices support regarding an Amendment you clearly have no idea about. Every Supreme Court ruling establishes precedent. There’s no different standard for one particular clause. Jesus.
by brettgardner on Aug 28, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
no i do not know enough about it
but it looks like you dont either…
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by knockoutking on Aug 28, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
see above
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Bush and Intelligence
You didn’t ask me but I’ll tell you what I think anyway.
You won’t many who dislike his policy as much as I do and at the same time will consider him a smart guy.
I think he probably is smart, but I will qualify it.
The man is a terrible speaker, which is odd because if you can remember, he wasn’t that bad when he was Governor. I don’t know what’s up with that. Whatever…it’s something he struggles with now.
The man clearly has trouble thinking on his feet. I believe he probably does know what ‘sovereignty’ is and always has. He simply couldn’t come up with the answer.
I think he has profoundly poor judgment. Especially in the beginning he surrounded himself with a staff and cabinet that had it’s share of incompetence, misguided-ness, and plain dishonesty.
Anyway, if you compare him to just your average person anywhere in the world, he’s probably going to be smarter than they are. Maybe by quite a bit. Compared to Presidents, however, I don’t there’s any way he’s as smart as most (if any) of them.
Also, many former White House staffers (high level ones) have suggested that Bush is not intellectually curious or interested in details (McClellan being the most recent).
You’ll notice that a lot of things I mentioned above wouldn’t be directly correlated with raw intelligence, but in this context they are appropriate to mention. A President needs to be strong in a lot of areas that Bush isn’t.
by Black Francis on Aug 27, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
thank you for being able to seperate your personal/political views on the man and how smart he is from each other.
i bet the ppl who think bush is dumb think karl rove lacks intelligence too… </ sarcasm>
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by knockoutking on Aug 28, 2008 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions
governer is at least a “leadership” role
and dont tell me that being editor of the law review was a leadership role on par with being a gov.
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Kay Bailey Hutchinson?
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
Hmm.
She’s had her eye on Austin for years now. I’d assume that she’d enjoy that more than VP, but who knows?
It’s very unlikely, though.
by brettgardner on Aug 27, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
i was under the impression
that shes gonna run for gov…has family back in tx and wants to be closer
also, there were evidently a lot of ppl at the texas convention who thought she would run/were handing out info about here
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting attack ad about Obama
Certainly nothing you’d hear about from the national media. Pretty stupendously ridiculous stuff Obama gets away with. Smoked a little crack back in the day? No big! Friend of admitted terrorist? Oh hey that’s no problem!
Obama is filing lawsuits against this ad to make sure you cant see it, btw
terrorist?
are you talking about the bin laden/bush connection?
awe no, you mean some chump obama shared a seat on a charity board with. oh and obama was 4 years old when that “terrorist” was a big deal. but yeah, good point.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
President and drug abuse
Obama has nothing on Bush’s youth. And the Ayers thing is just built by association. It’s no more meaningful to me than is McCain’s being invited to Joe Bonano’s birthday party, or his sudden change from Episcopalian to Baptist last year, or his past adultery that broke up his first marriage, or his wife’s addiction to drugs.
Skeletons in the closet abound for both and will not sway my vote one bit.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
question
whats your sig btw?
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
It's Beethoven
Oh friends, not these tones! Let us instead tune our voices more pleasantly and joyfully.
"Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states" - Barack Obama
by LSBUser on Aug 27, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Opening lines in 4th movement. I thought they were appropriate with all the political crap being flung around here.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
nice
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes it is. Thanks for the unprovoked personal attack on me above by the way (dumbshit)
by Black Francis on Aug 27, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey
Say that in German in this reply thread.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
I speak jive
"Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states" - Barack Obama
by LSBUser on Aug 27, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
But do you speak
German jive?
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
if you dont think that overall there is a liberal slant to the media…you are clueless.
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
and yes
i was out of line for the dumbshit comment, i am sorry.
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Clueless? No.
At worst it would make me naive if it were true the media had a liberal bias.
I don’t believe they are when you look at the media that most average Americans actually consume, but this is a subject that’s almost impossible to quantify. I could write volumes on the subject , bringing forth all kinds of research, and you could probably do the same. While the argument may enlighten some, neither of our minds would be changed and I would suspect that neither of us have the time to do it.
by Black Francis on Aug 27, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
yea true
and naive is a better word…but you REALLY dont think there is bias? (yes/no is all im asking – sorry)
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I don't think it's quite that simple
You do have FOX in the mix, like Dan says below. You also have all the commentary on the radio all day long, and people do listen to that. Radio talk is overwhelmingly conservative as I’m sure you realize.
Anyway, while those shows are commentary they are often presented as news and they are certainly part of the way information is disseminated, so you have to count them.
Others are really hard to pin down in black and white. Chris Matthews, for example. Widely regarded as a liberal and I think he is, but you can’t just say that’s all there is to it because I’ve watched him absolutely dismantle democrats on his show several times and I don’t even watch it that much.
And then there are there is the financial media. I’m talking about Investors Business Daily and stuff like that. More people read this kind of stuff than you might think, and they are very clearly pro-deregulation and also favor the prevailing views among economists on tax policy, which absolutely leans to the right.
So it’s a lot muddier than most people realize, I think.
by Black Francis on Aug 27, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Others are really hard to pin down in black and white.
this really answers my question pretty well…thanks!
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Says....
the guy who talks to himself.
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
It's funnt isn't it...
he makes comments about Obama and drugs or being stupid and then someone counters with Bush’s drugs/stupidness and he won’t respond. It’s absolutely hilarious.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
so lets get this straight
obama has a history with drugs
bush has a history with drugs.
and everyone bashed the hell out of bush…why not obama?
gore (i think) got bashed for his as well
and fwiw, obama has made some stupid comments as well…lol
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Sigh...
Again, I didn’t bring up the drug issue. Your buddy did. I don’t care what drugs either experimented with in their younger days. Most of us tree-huggin’ liberal hippies aren’t against drug use. I was just pointing out the same irony that you are with him quick to point out Obama’s use, but not willing to reply to someones post about his good ‘ol W’s use.
And to your post above, yes Obama has made some dumb comments too. As much as these guys speak they are bound to do so (although the 57 states one was just a bad attempt at humor).
However if you think Bush is intelligent that’s where I draw the line. There is nothing you can say to try and convince me that guy knows what he’s doing. We will just have to agree to disagree on that one.
So when setting me straight make sure it’s actually ME that you are referring to, thanks.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
hey hes not my buddy
(and it wasnt directed to you – sry should ahve started a new deal instea dof replying to you)
thats my POINT is that they both make dumb comments…
to say that bush is NOT intelligence imo shows a lack of intelligence not just on your point but anyones.
actually a better question: what do you consider “intelligent”? is it different than smart? do you think karl rove is not intelligent? how aobut dick cheneyy?
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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude
I don’t know ANYONE in their right mind who has ever doubted the brilliance of Karl Rove or Dick Cheney. Two of the smartest pols of their generation.
No honest, intelligent person would assert otherwise. There is ample evidence to support this.
Our CINC, however, is a different story. His whole life, the guy was born on third base, but has acted like he hit a triple. Failure after personal failure before Rove masterminded his Governorship. He’s a big fucking zero if his last name is Obama or knockoutking or Thomas. He’d be selling shoes.
You keep asking his many detractors, how do they know he’s dumb? Riddle me this: How’s about some shred of proof that he IS a very bright individual? Why don’t you throw us a bone?
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 27, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I’ve never understood why voting a certain party makes it incumbent upon you to defend every detail of your party’s nominee or leaders. It’s pretty indicative of an immature mind.
I think anyone who can’t appreciate the positive attributes of a candidate, politician, or any person, for that matter—or criticize the negatives—isn’t worthy of serious discussion.
by brettgardner on Aug 27, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
of an immature mind.
I think anyone who can’t appreciate the positive attributes of a candidate, politician, or any person, for that matter—or criticize the negatives—isn’t worthy of serious discussion.
remind me where i have said that he is a wonderful president as well as a better speaker than JFK ?
the man clearly has his flaws. CLEARLY. to say otherwise would be showing a lack of intelligence and an “immature mind”
my point is to say that a two time president of the united states has no intelligence is fucking dumb.
look at what black francis said above.
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by knockoutking on Aug 28, 2008 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions
ok lets put this on the other foot
please tell me what qualities bush has that have shown to ake you believe he is of above intelligence.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Your question...
I asked the same thing worded differently to Knockoutking(?) or Agreen(?) in Sharky’s thread and never got a straight answer other than he’s been president twice.
To answer Knockoutking’s question there is a difference between intelligence and being smart, but that is splitting hairs to a degree. Bush is neither. He’s had everything handed to him, including his above average education that produced very average results. Karl Rove is a brilliant political mind and I hate him for it. Cheney is the same both in the buisness and political field and I equally despise him. That’s not to say I don’t respect them because I do. I just have very different views on most major issues from them.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I never thought I'd say this
But you guys may be underselling Bush a little. Obviously I don’t know him and given what he’s shown it may appear to some that I’m going out on a limb by saying this, but I think it’s safe to assume he’s not a stupid man. If he were truly a stupid man, would Karl Rove have gotten behind him? I would think he would’ve found someone else.
Is George Bush a fuck up? Hell yes he is. History is going to judge his presidency very, very harshly, I believe.
No, I don’t think he was duped into all this. I will continue to assume that he’s smarter than the average person but not nearly as smart as the average President of the United States. One thing I am sure of is that he should have been smart enough to run this thing better than he has, which actually makes it all the worse.
There’s a lot of difference between a stubborn fool and a total idiot.
by Black Francis on Aug 27, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
thank you for putting personal thoughts to one side
and taking a better look at the situation
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by knockoutking on Aug 28, 2008 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
ill agree, bush comes from a better background than most (understatement) BUT to be fair if he was as much of a dolt as everyone on here seems to think he is why havent people came out and said our president is a fucking idiot?
as stated above, why do such smart people get behind him?
i am not going to say hes been the “best president everrrrrrrrrrr” but then again the people who say he has been the worst president of all time, ever, in the history of this country, the world dont know either. history judges things strangely. whose to say that the perception of bush in 50 years may be completely different than today? its impossible to say. has he been the best? no. has he been the worst/one of the worst, i dont think anyone can say that at this moment in time.
i also think he is looked upon as lacking intelligence because of who many people compare him to – look at the president right before him (clinton) who is clearly a very smart guy and look at the possible next president (obama) who is also pretty damn smart.
to say that he lacks intelligence is something that someone who has a problem stepping back from their personal views and looking at a situation would say.
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by knockoutking on Aug 28, 2008 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I've just said
he’s probably the dumbest president we have ever had, and I can’t think of any dumber.
Just looking at postwar presidents, I think only Ford gives him a run for his money, but my money would be on Ford being smarter.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
re: to say that he lacks intelligence is something that someone who has a problem stepping back from their personal views and looking at a situation would say."
That argument doesn’t really hold water, considering what I just told you about Cheney and Rove.
Let me be more clear. I don’t think he is a dumb person in a general sense. I’m sure his IQ is above average compared to the general populace. He is just a pretty mediocre guy in general, and as far as Presidents go, he’s at the dumb end of the spectrum.
There have been countless reports of aides being startled and taken aback by his lack of curiousity. And he is notorious for prizing loyalty over competence, also not a prudent tact. Not to mention the fact that he has reportedly been highly averse to contray points of view on his team.
I think his central flaw, however, is that he firmly believes being resolute is the apex of leadership. Once he’s made a decision, he never, ever looks back. That’s poor and foolish leadership, in my opinion.
For my money, A good leader WANTS to hear contrary points of view, and he does not punish the messengers of bad news. He remains vigilantly open to the possibility that there is a better way, and isn’t afraid to say, “New information has come to light. I’ve changed my mind.” And when considering a new hire, his first question should not be “are they loyal,” as the Bush team is known to do, but rather, “what are their qualifications?”
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 28, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
How smart he is or is not really isn’t the issue. The fact that he’s a stubborn fool rather than a total idiot is what sunk him.
He just doesn’t have the qualities one would expect a successful President to have. Doesn’t mean he’s stupid. The man just never was the right guy for the job.
by Black Francis on Aug 28, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Good way to word it, stubborn.
If I had to pick one word to describe the Bush presidency it would be obstinacy.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
I dont respond to you guys
Because theres no point, you’ll never stop, you sit around waiting 24/7 for somebody to post something conservative so you can shout it down, and theres 4,000 of you. It’s not something I’m going to get into unless I feel like it, and if you dont like it I dont care.
If there wasnt ten thousand of you, I’d argue it out just fine. So you fix the problem, not me. I cant respond to everybody, theres simply too many of you, and you want to drag me into a fight. Which is fine if I feel like it I will, if I dont I wont. Stop crying.
If it's not something you want to get into
Why are you practically the only person that starts political threads? Not to mention the fact that you don’t even post unless you want to stir the pot. You obviously get off on getting everyone riled up, otherwise you’d just post on some conservative, looney toon blog and spend the day patting each other on the back and jerking each other off all day.
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
dude
jacksastud started this thread
sharky has been “gone” for a while IIRC
his last political post was actually info worth reading/passing out.
otherwise you’d just post on someconservativeliberal, looney toon blog and spend the day patting each other on the back and jerking each other off all day.
daily kos? lol
(and yes there are conservative ones out there too)
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by knockoutking on Aug 28, 2008 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I said nearly every political post
And that doesn’t change the fact he ignores counter-points. You take the time to debate a subject and don’t ignore when someone calls you out on something. However, it’s Sharky’s M.O. to ignore a thought out, reasoned replied to one of his comments.
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
I'm not crying...
thanks for actually replying for once. You feel like you’re outnumbered and you are, that’s fine. I’m not trying to drag you into some kind of cyber fight. I just like debating issues with people who have other views. The one crying would be the guy that just says he doesn’t bother because he’s out numbered. If you would like to respond great, if not that’s fine too. Perhaps you are taking this forum a little too seriously?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
This MSNBC meltdown is good stuff
Its becoming a sideshow to itself, links:
http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/08/meltdown_at_msnbc.html
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08272008/gossip/pagesix/brawling_anchors_on_msnbc_126236.htm
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12900_Page2.html
Olbermann even felt compelled to make one of his smarmy rebuttal blogs, in between apparantly attempting to censor dailykos diaries from average people, who knew Keith cared about the little people??
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/27/124251/910/167/576474
Olbermann is an out of control jackass..what an arrogant censoring egomaniacal pig. Methinks it probably wont be too long he’ll be forced out of MSNBC like he was ESPN for being a douche.
He is
Arrogant, smarmy, and douchy, but he’s also the biggest draw on MSNBC. He’s not going anywhere.
by brettgardner on Aug 28, 2008 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Apparantly
Although the MSNBC ratings I looked over on tvnewser sure didnt seem impressive compared to Fox News.
He’ll probably quit in a huff eventually rather than be forced out though, I agree. He doesnt seem very stable.
Joe scarborough?
that guy is a schmuck at best. he came in during the 94 contract for america when any idiot with an® next to his name was winning with a platform of eliminating the dept. of education, dept. of commerce, dept. of HUD, dept. of energy….
Scarborough sponsored a bill to force the U.S. to withdraw from the United Nations, voted against min wage rise to 5.15, cut medicare by 270 Billion dollars.
thats your morning joe…
sorry, but thats the guy your defending.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
re
Scarborough sponsored a bill to force the U.S. to withdraw from the United Nations, voted against min wage rise to 5.15, cut medicare by 270 Billion dollars.
Those are bad things why again? I’d support all of those, what reasonable person wouldnt?
“My” morning joe btw, you guys are pretty funny.
Voted against a min. wage increase
Wow. I have a newfound respect for your dedication to core principles.
Talk about voting against your pocketbook.
Maybe fry cooks are doing better than I thought…
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 28, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
So what's the deal with Biden's hair?
There’s a lot going on there. There’s a mullet, a combover and a divot in the back of his head that could have only been created with a well-struck 8 iron.
Per Repub VP choices… Given that we have a 72 year old man with a history of skin cancer running for office this is a critical choice because there’s a chance this VP may be called to serve. I want to win the election and I think Condi Rice or KB Hutchinson will mind meld some of the on-the-fence Dems, bring us some of the women voters and bag yet another Republican win in November.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Aug 28, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Curious
Does it matter to you that McCain isn’t really on the neo-conservative bandwagon, or is a win a win to you?
by brettgardner on Aug 28, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Who says I'm a neo-conservative?
I simply see McCain as a better option than Obama.
Are you now going to continue with your cowardly bullshit and claim that once again my “inherent paternalism” makes me guilty of racism?
If you do, remember that I wouldn’t mind having either Condi Rice or Colin Powell for that matter on the ticket with McCain.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Aug 28, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Cowardly?
I said I’d fight you if you want, old man.
by brettgardner on Aug 28, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
…really?
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by knockoutking on Aug 28, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
I’m gonna kick his ass, then move on to “Mad Dog” Tannen.
by brettgardner on Aug 28, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh no,
are you going to hit me with one of your Hemingway books?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Aug 28, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Condi Rice
I don’t see how she’d help anything. McCain needs to stay as far away as he can from anyone who was ever a part of the Bush White House. That’s where Obama and Biden are going to be hitting him — that he’s strayed from what he used to be and has become to close to what Bush is.
Plus, don’t forget that there is/was a freaking oil tanker named after that woman. That’s just an easy target.
Hutchinson wasn’t in the administration, but I can’t think of a better example of a Bush rubber stamp.
McCain would do well to pick a moderate governor who could criticize not only Obama but also the Bush Administration. If they want to win this election they are going to have to distance themselves from the White House.
by Black Francis on Aug 28, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
i was trying to figure out who McCain can choose to make him a drop dead badass candidate
and i cant think of one. finding a republican who has stood firm on conservative value but isnt a bush crony seems to be the key, but those guys arent close enough to the evangelical right. so he has to get an evangelical in to win those votes and keep his party intact, i dont think that draws in enough votes from dissatisfied voters with a guy too right slanted and too close to bush.
its a hard place to be in. i really dont think the republican party wanted McCain and im not sure he has a strong option as a VP. he’s in a tough place. im very curious to see who he can choose.
he cant choose:
Lieberman (too connected to Gore/Lieberman, too jewish)
Romney (too mormon and you cant have 2 guys that stinkin rich when the economy is in the shitter)
Condi (too bush)
Pawlenty (sp?) (too weak in experience at the VP debates)
Kay Bailey (too bushy)
its a tough spot to be in, i know, as a democrat ive seen more than my fair share of guys no1 really wanted to vote for but we didnt have any other option, ive seen half assed VP options tread out no1 really likes that doesnt really help ya much. it sucks. its a really crummy feeling when your party is in that situation.
this decision is the decision of his life, and im not sure there is a good option available to him.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
heh
Kay Bailey (too bushy)
Thanks for the mental image. I just lost my lunch.
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by TheBZA on Aug 28, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
too jewish? …really?
i think an interesting option would be to pick huck – both for how much evangelical christians like him and i read somewhere that evidently “the base” really likes him….
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by knockoutking on Aug 28, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you believe in evolution?
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 28, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I love
How that question even has to be asked.
by brettgardner on Aug 28, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
why does it have to be asked
why do i have to answer
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by knockoutking on Aug 28, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't, I guess.
But I don’t see why you’d have a problem doing so.
by brettgardner on Aug 28, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Why don't you want to answer?
I ask because Huckabee has said repeatedly and unequivocally that he does not.
I was curious what your take on that was.
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 28, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
what do you think my view is?
…
my point is that he would be an interesting choice…not that i LIKE him as a choice. but that he would be an INTERESTING choice.
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by knockoutking on Aug 28, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
hell the gov from alaska would be interesting
as would lieberman
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by knockoutking on Aug 28, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no idea
I’m really a little surprised at your hesitance to answer. It’s not a trick question.
Previously, you were all about the Q&A. What changed?
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 28, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Why won't you answer...
I mean surely you have a opinion on it, right? Isn’t this the same thing you wre criticizing Obama about with the abortion question, not giving an answer?
I believe that you don’t given our past conversations. I don’t think you should be ashamed of your beliefs otherwise you may need to question if those really are your beliefs.
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huckabee
That would be great for the dems. Most of the right thinks he is more of a socialist than Obama.
The Repubs need a ticket
that has a 70% Communist President and a Socialist VP.
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my understanding is that he is popular with the base
i didnt say i SUPPORTED him pucking huck
not that i thought he would be the best choice of the guys…sorry it wasnt clear
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by knockoutking on Aug 28, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
too jewish? too mormon?
Devil’s advocate worst case scenario evangelical thought:
Lieberman: blah, your attempting to sway to a bunch of people who are hardcore evangelicals who think on judgement day that all jews will burn in eternal hell for not accepting jesus christ as your savior, and your gonna use a jewish guy who was a democrat until 2 years ago, who ran against Bush as a democrat, who is pro choice, and thats the guy your gonna choose to take your place if you die in office?
really?
Romney: your attempting to sway to a bunch of people who are hardcore evangelicals who think on judgement day that all jews mormons will burn in eternal hell for not accepting saying jesus christ was re-resurrected as and indian in north america as your savior? Who was pro choice till he changed his opinion less than 2 years ago, who is also so rich he also causes a disconnect with average poorer republicans, who was the governor of mass a friggin chussetts
really?
If you choose either one of those you isolate a lot of voters your selling the idea to that you arent a moderate who isnt really a republican etc.
if those are your 2 best options, your candidacy is in trouble.
i guess i think he has to choose some1 the media isnt talking about, under the radar who i am missing. both of those dont appeal to the right enough both bring up religious questions you dont wanna answer or be a focus when you are trying to unite the right and bring in moderates.
its almost a no win situation.
it sounds like we will know tomorrow
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Yeah
because the percentage of the evangelical base that believes jews are “Christ-Killers” will be all over Lieberman.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
and doesn't he still caucus with the Senate Democrats?
He may be a bit of a turncoat, but I really doubt he’d run on a GOP ticket.
by Black Francis on Aug 28, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
McCain may not be smarter than that
but Lieberman’s got to know that nothing says “Stay at home on election day” to the Republican base like a Pro Choice Liberal Democratic Jew.
I mostly include the liberal in there, because, as the Republican base knows, you can’s say Democrat without saying Liberal Democrat.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Well
Is there any other kind these days?
Theres a growing number of increasingly left leaning “Republicans” but conservative Democrats seem to be a dying breed.
The whole country is just moving more and more to the left, obviously.
have you paid attention to the 2006 election results?
half the democrats that came into the senate were conservative democrats.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Crucify him.
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by inactive lsb user on Aug 28, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
McCain's VP
I think Pawlenty would be a great choice. Would help with Minnesota’s 10 EV’s, is a safe white male and not any of this Sarah Palin, Condi Rice (or fill in the politically correct minority here) affirmative action bullshit so many conservatives on message boards push.
Would contrast with Obamas awful choice that doesnt help in any state.
McCain needs to continue to differentiate himself as the solid white male ticket that gets the job done. Thats how he’ll beat Obama (and why it would have been a disaster for Obama to pick another minority on his ticket).
But interestingly, some guys on another message board I go to noticed that Liberman McCain google search triggered a small McCain-Lieberman ad from the McCain campaign earlier today, while McCain+any other candidate did not trigger such an ad. It was later removed. But it would be pretty funny if it turns out to be Lieberman (a disaster imo) and those guys scooped the media.
Ouch...
would not be a good decision.
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I'm confused
granted I’m not a big politics guy but wasn’t it a Gore/Lieberman ticket in ’00? Why would McCain choose him?
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Obamas speech kinda sucks
Not getting the greatest reaction from the crowd.
Obama has a habit of not neccessarily delivering great speeches I’ve noticed, even though thats his repuation.
Wow.
That was pretty darn good, IMO. Hit essentially every point, balanced hammering McCain with laying out policy.
B+.
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Obama...
is a great orator. I agree with that grade.
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Crowd looked like they were going bonkers from where I was watching.
Which was C-SPAN.
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MSNBC=sickening
It’s funny how MSNBC’s normal straight coverage is far more biased than anything coming out of Fox News. I’m not talking about opinion shows like O’reilly, I’m talking about the normal politics coverage. Can Chris Mathews and Olbermann slobber all over themselves to praise Obama any more???
Yet it’s Fox that’s lambasted for bias, natch.
If the other networks, all ten of them, have dropped the pretense of objectivity Fox should too..
I gave Obama an 86 (straight up B)
for his speech….if it was an A the crowd would have been ape-shit (and they weren’t).
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by Josey Wales on Aug 28, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
i think they set up the mics so he wouldnt be drowned out by the crowd
looked like they went pretty crazy when obama took on and challenged mccain head on.
that dude gives an incredible speech. my uncle is a pretty hardcore republican and a financial conservative who wont vote for obama but he even stated that he thought obama is a great speaker and that he wished obama shared his ideas b/c he makes him wanna vote for him.
BTW: any1 check out Obama promising to eliminate Capital Gains Tax for small businesses and new technologies?
friggin awesome. those are the type of speaches that actually make my uncle have to think about who he should vote for. btw eliminating capital gains is something i fully support.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
what didnt you like about it?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
That it was delivered
by someone to the left of Augusto Pinochet.
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by t ball on Aug 29, 2008 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No fair referencing people Sharky has to google
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 29, 2008 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you kidding?
Until his death, Pinochet was on Sharky’s Rolodex.
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