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Hurley done for the year

Th_buckykatt_tiny by Adam J. Morris on

A little snippet from T.R. Sullivan that I missed earlier today:

Eric Hurley will not be rejoining the Texas rotation, though. He has been sidelined with right shoulder inflammation, and the Rangers are not going to pitch him again this year. Instead, he'll concentrate on getting ready for next season.

Can someone tell me why every well-regarded young pitcher the Rangers bring to the majors ends up either sucking, getting hurt, or both?

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I blame Showalter.

"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer

by ghtd36 on Aug 24, 2008 12:02 PM CDT   0 recs

"i want the pitching coach, the bullpen coach, and the conditioning coach to stay"

-adolph

im pretty sure once adolph has his way with those 3, we wont have these problems anymore.

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Aug 24, 2008 12:02 PM CDT   0 recs

lmao

+1

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by utlonghorn24 on Aug 24, 2008 4:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Adam's question

If the organization does nothing else this offseason but figure out the answer to that, it will have been a good offseason.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 24, 2008 12:16 PM CDT   0 recs

More on that

As we all know, they’ve done just about everything wrong that could be done wrong in the last decade:
- some guys were brought up too soon (Volquez a couple years ago)
- some were traded (also pretty long list going back to guys like Harang)
- some were not allowed to grow into their roles (Davis)
- some had their deliveries tinkered with (Thompson? McCarthy)
- built a ballpark that sucks for pitchers and that really could use some climate control
- some were the usual attrition of injuries before they ever reached Arlington (Cedeno and many others)
- some guys were never that great to begin with (a long list, as with all teams)

Ever organization does all of these things to a degree. The last two are to be expected, and part of baseball. The ballpark is there and isn’t going away. The other 4 on that list are more controllable and all 4 have been handled rather poorly by the Rangers for a long time, going back into the mid-90s even. Didn’t Hurley make some changes in his delivery this year?

I am certain they have discussed this more than we have. I hope that part of their top to bottom look this winter includes a long chapter on leaving guys alone unless their current mechanics are really unacceptably bad. And even then, maybe they should think twice about tinkering.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 24, 2008 12:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

but on the question of the ballpark, fwiw, stats show that Rangers pitchers have pitched better at RBIA than on the road.

Away: 566 IP, 5.69 ERA, 1.67 WHIP, .294 BA

Home: 593 IP, 5.16 ERA, 1.53 WHIP, .284 BA

Obviously not much of a difference, but it shows that its just as much a problem on the Road as it is at Home….

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by hinduplaya on Aug 24, 2008 12:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

If the Rangers figure out how to stop the injuries from totally raping this team and getting the young guys to pitch like they did in the minors, then it will be an amazing season. The mid 90s heat from guys is topping out at 90, the control guys can’t throw a strike to save their life, mechanics are being pissed on. This is a frustrating season to watch.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Aug 24, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

they already did that

and it’s happening all throughout the minors with great success so far…

It’s not a quick fix.

to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...

by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 12:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not a quick fix

I understand that, and of course the system has more talented arms than maybe it ever has. All the more reason for them to take stock of how they’re being treated physically and mechanically.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 24, 2008 12:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

how many

‘well regarded’ young pitchers have the rangers brought up?

to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...

by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 12:20 PM CDT   0 recs

by the way

most young pitchers go through this in any organization, for example check out the yanks…

It’s just more magnified because it’s The Rangers…

to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...

by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 12:22 PM CDT   0 recs

yeah

and even the ones that end up being good go through this for their first year (or sometimes longer).

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Aug 24, 2008 12:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Most organizations

don’t habitually lead the majors in things like bullpen innings, walks, walking in a run, highest ERA…

There may be some amount of perception here because this is our favorite team, but the Rangers just haven’t had anyone really grow into a solid rotation role recently except Chris Young. Feldman is a possibility if his arm doesn’t fall off after the dramatic increase in innings.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 24, 2008 12:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

we did trade our two biggest prospects before they had a chance to grow

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Aug 24, 2008 12:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

re:
don’t habitually lead the majors in things like bullpen innings, walks, walking in a run, highest ERA…

don’t you think talent has something to do with that?

Also, this team’s pitching was not THAT bad last year or the year before. This is one effed up season…

to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...

by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 12:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

actually, to that quote...

teams like Tampa did until they got their new front office people and Dan Duquette.

We’re not the only team with problems like this. Once the talent comes all this stuff will slowly dissipate.

to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...

by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 12:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

dissipate

We’re all hoping so, and I tend to think so, too. But again, if I’m Ryan/Daniels/etc. I’m not only counting on that, I’m still going to examine this issue.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 24, 2008 12:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well

what would the outcry be here if the Rangers had players like Joba, Phil Hughes, Matsui, Posada, Wang, Kennedy, Pavano get hurt?

It would be reaction like this X 10000^2.

to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...

by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 12:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If

Feliz goes down I expect several here to be on suicide watch.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 24, 2008 12:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

exactly

and it shouldn’t be like that ‘cause most if not all young pitchers will have some kind of arm problems, either it be very mild or severe…Even Kazmir had arm problems, i wouldn’t even want to know the type of backlash in the media or by the fans if it happened here as a Ranger…

As Sickels says:

young pitchers will break your heart

to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...

by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 1:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

this team's pitching was THAT bad last season...

…remember that stretch of 15 games where the Ranger starters couldn’t get to or get out of the 5th inning?

that’s beyond terrible.

by oc on Aug 24, 2008 1:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"You are correct, Sir"

At least Kevin Hench agrees with you….

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8477902/Youth-wasn’t-served-in-these-cases

by T Coleman on Aug 24, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and yet, wherever you read or whoever you listen to.

people think we are the only ones that have these types of problems.

To Nolan, don’t change a darn thing.

to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...

by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 4:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nolan

Nolan was a freak of nature to an extent…the fact that he could throw 100+.

But his last few years in the big leagues, he was not a freak of nature. He was a pitcher, not a thrower, that worked extremely hard to stay in shape, or better shape, than his competition. I think that is what drives him bonkers about today’s pitchers.

by T Coleman on Aug 24, 2008 4:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This shit drives me crazy...

I’ve had it with fucking injuries. Had it!

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 24, 2008 12:41 PM CDT   0 recs

Wasn't Hurley's

original injury diagnosed as biceps tendinitis?

Now it’s his shoulder?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Aug 24, 2008 1:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yupthats how i remember it too

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Aug 24, 2008 1:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

his original self-diagnosis

was that all is well and i will be out there for my next start!

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Aug 24, 2008 1:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hurley

If he altered his motion to try and compensate for the biceps tendinitis, I can see how that might have caused his shoulder to become inflamed.

Not saying that’s what happened, but it’s not unheard of.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Aug 24, 2008 1:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The biceps attaches to the shoulder

with one tendon connecting above the shoulder capsule….. just depends on where the inflammation is

by RangersOCD on Aug 24, 2008 3:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You hold your tongue.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 24, 2008 1:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

great job by the rangers

they manage to have every pitcher suck AND be injured

I give up

by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 1:28 PM CDT   0 recs

there is a pretty simple solution

DONT CHANGE A PITCHER’S DELIVERY! they already ruined beavan and now hurley. if they are changing guy’s deliveries to prevent injuries then that sure hasnt worked, or is they are trying to make them better which hasnt worked either.

but when feliz and holland get up here our brilliant pitching coach will just change everything that they have succeded with so they can suck and/or get injured

I give up

by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 1:33 PM CDT   0 recs

Beavan

How have the Rangers “ruined” Beavan?

He has a 2.50 ERA with a .232 BAA and 1.03 WHIP in 21 starts for Clinton.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Aug 24, 2008 1:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Doesn't matter

If he isn’t hitting 97 on the radar gun, he’s an utter failure.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Aug 24, 2008 1:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's been throwing around 89/90

in his first year as a pro pitching more than he ever has had too before and also had his mechanics changed up a bit. I wouldn’t expect him to hit 95 consistently in his first year as a pro. Expect for him to be working regularly in the low 90s next year if not more.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Aug 24, 2008 8:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

none of it though

is much for concern when talking about how great of a prospect he is. Even if his fastball never makes it much past 90, his secondary pitches are coming along so wonderfully that Wonderful should now be his first and last name.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Aug 24, 2008 8:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know

I don’t really buy that.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 24, 2008 9:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

To be fair...

… it would be hard to imagine that folks in the Rangers organization aren’t concerned with a drop in velocity from mid to high 90s to high 80s. Beavan was regarded as a power arm, and his performance as a pro isn’t living up to that billing. Not saying he couldn’t be a serviceable starter, but everybody wants power arms at the front of the rotation.

by sggut95 on Aug 24, 2008 6:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

John Hart is that you?

A Lonestar in California

We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.

by lonestarJon on Aug 24, 2008 4:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

didn't you guys get the memo

that Beavan is terrible? Geez…pay better attention, idiots. He totally sucks. Ruined, I tells ya.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

by Bob Loblaw on Aug 24, 2008 1:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

November 13, 1990...

November 13, 1990 – Texas Rangers release LHP Jamie Moyer

Jonathan Greene's up to 34 HPB's in 503 PA's. Thinking about getting hit 34 times over four months really conjures up memories of ex-wife number three. I guess Greene must be an absolutely HORRIBLE COOK!!!

by YourNameHere on Aug 24, 2008 3:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sele

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Aug 24, 2008 3:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rec'd

A Lonestar in California

We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.

by lonestarJon on Aug 24, 2008 6:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cole Hamles, Tim Hudson, Cliff Lee, John Galrand

Oh come on, now you’re just making up names.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Aug 24, 2008 8:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

Damn it I even proof read it and everything.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2008 11:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Randy johnson's ERA is 4.58 in a pitchers park

loshe, floyd, galarraga, lee, marquis have been good one year. floyrd and galarraga have been extremely lucky with high FIPs.

kyle kendrick? paul maholm? wolf? harang? bannister? arroyo? duke? marcum? lilly? all not even good

webb is good because of crazy movement. hamels, hudson, buehrle, and rogers. NOTICE HOW 3 OF THOSE GUYS ARE LEFTIES?

YOU FAIL!

few of those pitchers have consistenlty been good.

I give up

by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 8:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's all...

you found wrong with that post?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 24, 2008 9:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

also...

Top 10 guys in fastball velocity:
Felix Hernandez, Ubaldo Jimenez, Josh beckett, Ervin Santana, Lincecum, Burnett, Edwin jackson, Sabathia, Verlander, Cueto.
(Felix being the highest at 94.8 and cueto being the lowest at 93.4).

If you average those 10 guys ERA it comes out to 3.76. AND that is MUCH better than those guys you mentioned above. i just averaged the top 10, you had to go between each guy and pick good ones but the top 10 velocity guys still come out much better.

SO if Beavan stayed throwing 95 then he could be much much better

I give up

by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 10:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow

Just… “Wow.”

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2008 11:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Outside of just looking at successful pitchers with high 80s fastballs

Beaven also isn’t just throwing high 80s. He is reaching 90 and will probably be throwing regularly in the low 90s at least next season.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Aug 24, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

very true

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Aug 24, 2008 3:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

okay.

SOME pitchers can be successful but its pretty rare. it much more likely you will be a good pitcher if you have a mid-90s fastball rather than a high 80s

I give up

by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 5:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You have no idea...

what the hell you’re talking about. Please go.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 24, 2008 5:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No shit

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Aug 24, 2008 5:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2008 11:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A Lonestar in California

We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.

by lonestarJon on Aug 24, 2008 6:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Speaking of Beavan..

after the 1st today .. 1ip 0h 0r 0er 0bb 1k

by Houston27 on Aug 24, 2008 2:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well...
Can someone tell me why every well-regarded young pitcher the Rangers bring to the majors ends up either sucking, getting hurt, or both?

you guys get tired of me being glass is half-empty, but i want to reiterate my opinion that until this team fields a competitive group AT THE MAJOR LEAGUE level nothing has been accomplished. too much can go wrong, rendering prospects potential-less.

would i rather have a good minor league system than a bad one? of course i would. that’s a dumb question. however, the is no guarantee that this franchise can be successful and no track record over 30+ years that would indicate an ability to win.

we are nowhere near as good as LAA, and would subsequently need to beat ALL OTHER wild card contenders in order to even make the playoffs. from there, it’s still unfortunately an uphill battle (as the 90s prove with our unbalanced attack that was completely ineffective in the post season).

i still get excited when everyone here seems to think that we can be contenders in 2010, but injuries are just one dose of reality that can derail the dream – and it is definitely a dream until proven otherwise.

by sam in so cal on Aug 24, 2008 1:50 PM CDT   0 recs