Hurley done for the year
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 24, 2008 11:58 AM CDT
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A little snippet from T.R. Sullivan that I missed earlier today:
Eric Hurley will not be rejoining the Texas rotation, though. He has been sidelined with right shoulder inflammation, and the Rangers are not going to pitch him again this year. Instead, he'll concentrate on getting ready for next season.
Can someone tell me why every well-regarded young pitcher the Rangers bring to the majors ends up either sucking, getting hurt, or both?
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I blame Showalter.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
by ghtd36 on Aug 24, 2008 12:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"i want the pitching coach, the bullpen coach, and the conditioning coach to stay"
-adolph
im pretty sure once adolph has his way with those 3, we wont have these problems anymore.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Aug 24, 2008 12:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lmao
+1
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Aug 24, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam's question
If the organization does nothing else this offseason but figure out the answer to that, it will have been a good offseason.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 24, 2008 12:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
More on that
As we all know, they’ve done just about everything wrong that could be done wrong in the last decade:
- some guys were brought up too soon (Volquez a couple years ago)
- some were traded (also pretty long list going back to guys like Harang)
- some were not allowed to grow into their roles (Davis)
- some had their deliveries tinkered with (Thompson? McCarthy)
- built a ballpark that sucks for pitchers and that really could use some climate control
- some were the usual attrition of injuries before they ever reached Arlington (Cedeno and many others)
- some guys were never that great to begin with (a long list, as with all teams)
Ever organization does all of these things to a degree. The last two are to be expected, and part of baseball. The ballpark is there and isn’t going away. The other 4 on that list are more controllable and all 4 have been handled rather poorly by the Rangers for a long time, going back into the mid-90s even. Didn’t Hurley make some changes in his delivery this year?
I am certain they have discussed this more than we have. I hope that part of their top to bottom look this winter includes a long chapter on leaving guys alone unless their current mechanics are really unacceptably bad. And even then, maybe they should think twice about tinkering.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 24, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
but on the question of the ballpark, fwiw, stats show that Rangers pitchers have pitched better at RBIA than on the road.
Away: 566 IP, 5.69 ERA, 1.67 WHIP, .294 BA
Home: 593 IP, 5.16 ERA, 1.53 WHIP, .284 BA
Obviously not much of a difference, but it shows that its just as much a problem on the Road as it is at Home….
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by hinduplaya on Aug 24, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
If the Rangers figure out how to stop the injuries from totally raping this team and getting the young guys to pitch like they did in the minors, then it will be an amazing season. The mid 90s heat from guys is topping out at 90, the control guys can’t throw a strike to save their life, mechanics are being pissed on. This is a frustrating season to watch.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Aug 24, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they already did that
and it’s happening all throughout the minors with great success so far…
It’s not a quick fix.
to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...
by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a quick fix
I understand that, and of course the system has more talented arms than maybe it ever has. All the more reason for them to take stock of how they’re being treated physically and mechanically.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 24, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many
‘well regarded’ young pitchers have the rangers brought up?
to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...
by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
by the way
most young pitchers go through this in any organization, for example check out the yanks…
It’s just more magnified because it’s The Rangers…
to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...
by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Most organizations
don’t habitually lead the majors in things like bullpen innings, walks, walking in a run, highest ERA…
There may be some amount of perception here because this is our favorite team, but the Rangers just haven’t had anyone really grow into a solid rotation role recently except Chris Young. Feldman is a possibility if his arm doesn’t fall off after the dramatic increase in innings.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 24, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we did trade our two biggest prospects before they had a chance to grow
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Aug 24, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re:
don’t habitually lead the majors in things like bullpen innings, walks, walking in a run, highest ERA…
don’t you think talent has something to do with that?
Also, this team’s pitching was not THAT bad last year or the year before. This is one effed up season…
to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...
by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually, to that quote...
teams like Tampa did until they got their new front office people and Dan Duquette.
We’re not the only team with problems like this. Once the talent comes all this stuff will slowly dissipate.
to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...
by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dissipate
We’re all hoping so, and I tend to think so, too. But again, if I’m Ryan/Daniels/etc. I’m not only counting on that, I’m still going to examine this issue.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 24, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
what would the outcry be here if the Rangers had players like Joba, Phil Hughes, Matsui, Posada, Wang, Kennedy, Pavano get hurt?
It would be reaction like this X 10000^2.
to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...
by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If
Feliz goes down I expect several here to be on suicide watch.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 24, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
and it shouldn’t be like that ‘cause most if not all young pitchers will have some kind of arm problems, either it be very mild or severe…Even Kazmir had arm problems, i wouldn’t even want to know the type of backlash in the media or by the fans if it happened here as a Ranger…
As Sickels says:
young pitchers will break your heart
to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...
by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this team's pitching was THAT bad last season...
…remember that stretch of 15 games where the Ranger starters couldn’t get to or get out of the 5th inning?
that’s beyond terrible.
by oc on Aug 24, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"You are correct, Sir"
At least Kevin Hench agrees with you….
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8477902/Youth-wasn’t-served-in-these-cases
by T Coleman on Aug 24, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and yet, wherever you read or whoever you listen to.
people think we are the only ones that have these types of problems.
To Nolan, don’t change a darn thing.
to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...
by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan
Nolan was a freak of nature to an extent…the fact that he could throw 100+.
But his last few years in the big leagues, he was not a freak of nature. He was a pitcher, not a thrower, that worked extremely hard to stay in shape, or better shape, than his competition. I think that is what drives him bonkers about today’s pitchers.
by T Coleman on Aug 24, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This shit drives me crazy...
I’ve had it with fucking injuries. Had it!
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 24, 2008 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Hurley's
original injury diagnosed as biceps tendinitis?
Now it’s his shoulder?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Aug 24, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yupthats how i remember it too
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Aug 24, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his original self-diagnosis
was that all is well and i will be out there for my next start!
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Aug 24, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hurley
If he altered his motion to try and compensate for the biceps tendinitis, I can see how that might have caused his shoulder to become inflamed.
Not saying that’s what happened, but it’s not unheard of.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on Aug 24, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biceps attaches to the shoulder
with one tendon connecting above the shoulder capsule….. just depends on where the inflammation is
by RangersOCD on Aug 24, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we expect Feliz to go down soon?
by Coolbean04 on Aug 24, 2008 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You hold your tongue.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 24, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great job by the rangers
they manage to have every pitcher suck AND be injured
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
there is a pretty simple solution
DONT CHANGE A PITCHER’S DELIVERY! they already ruined beavan and now hurley. if they are changing guy’s deliveries to prevent injuries then that sure hasnt worked, or is they are trying to make them better which hasnt worked either.
but when feliz and holland get up here our brilliant pitching coach will just change everything that they have succeded with so they can suck and/or get injured
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Beavan
How have the Rangers “ruined” Beavan?
He has a 2.50 ERA with a .232 BAA and 1.03 WHIP in 21 starts for Clinton.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on Aug 24, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter
If he isn’t hitting 97 on the radar gun, he’s an utter failure.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Aug 24, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, he was throwing 95 before he came here and now hes throwing 88?
such a smart ass
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's been throwing around 89/90
in his first year as a pro pitching more than he ever has had too before and also had his mechanics changed up a bit. I wouldn’t expect him to hit 95 consistently in his first year as a pro. Expect for him to be working regularly in the low 90s next year if not more.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Aug 24, 2008 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly, some if not most its because they changed up his delivery and some of it is because its his first year...
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
none of it though
is much for concern when talking about how great of a prospect he is. Even if his fastball never makes it much past 90, his secondary pitches are coming along so wonderfully that Wonderful should now be his first and last name.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Aug 24, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ill have to see it to believe it
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I don’t really buy that.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 24, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair...
… it would be hard to imagine that folks in the Rangers organization aren’t concerned with a drop in velocity from mid to high 90s to high 80s. Beavan was regarded as a power arm, and his performance as a pro isn’t living up to that billing. Not saying he couldn’t be a serviceable starter, but everybody wants power arms at the front of the rotation.
by sggut95 on Aug 24, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
those numbers wont stay the same in the big leagues if he is throwing high 80s
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Hart is that you?
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
by lonestarJon on Aug 24, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't you guys get the memo
that Beavan is terrible? Geez…pay better attention, idiots. He totally sucks. Ruined, I tells ya.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
by Bob Loblaw on Aug 24, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cant throw high 80s and be a good big league pitcher
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
November 13, 1990...
November 13, 1990 – Texas Rangers release LHP Jamie Moyer
Jonathan Greene's up to 34 HPB's in 503 PA's. Thinking about getting hit 34 times over four months really conjures up memories of ex-wife number three. I guess Greene must be an absolutely HORRIBLE COOK!!!
by YourNameHere on Aug 24, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jamie moyer, tom glavine, greg maddux?
baseBALLIN!
by kevzta on Aug 24, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol. 2 hall of famers? those guys come once in a thousand
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do your research, Shutton!
A quick glance at some stats (“stats” are what non-idiots use when they want to research something, fwiw) shows the following pitchers with average fastball velocities between 90.0 and 90.9:
Randy Johnson, Aaron Cook, Kyle Lohse, Gavin Floyd, James Shields, Cole Hamles, Tim Hudson, Cliff Lee, John Galrand, Braden Looper, Armando Galarraga, and Jason Marquis.
And the following successful pitchers with average fastball velocities between 88.0 and 89.9:
Aaron Harang, Kyle Kendrick, Jared Weaver, Paul Maholm, Andy Pettitte, Randy Wolfe, Derek Lowe, Joe Blanton, John Bannister, Branson Arroyo, and Zach Duke.
Plus the following pitchers have average fastball velocities at or below 87.9:
Brandon Webb, Justin Duchsherer, Mike Mussina, Mark Beuhrle, Shaun Marcum, Scott Olsen, Tedd Lilly, Paul Byrd, Andy Sonnastine and Kenny Rogers.
But, yah, you know… you can’t be a successful major league pitcher unless you throw mid-to-upper 90’s.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
by lonestarJon on Aug 24, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cole Hamles, Tim Hudson, Cliff Lee, John Galrand
Oh come on, now you’re just making up names.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 24, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Damn it I even proof read it and everything.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy johnson's ERA is 4.58 in a pitchers park
loshe, floyd, galarraga, lee, marquis have been good one year. floyrd and galarraga have been extremely lucky with high FIPs.
kyle kendrick? paul maholm? wolf? harang? bannister? arroyo? duke? marcum? lilly? all not even good
webb is good because of crazy movement. hamels, hudson, buehrle, and rogers. NOTICE HOW 3 OF THOSE GUYS ARE LEFTIES?
YOU FAIL!
few of those pitchers have consistenlty been good.
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The BOB is not a pitcher's park
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 24, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's all...
you found wrong with that post?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 24, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God you're stupid
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also...
Top 10 guys in fastball velocity:
Felix Hernandez, Ubaldo Jimenez, Josh beckett, Ervin Santana, Lincecum, Burnett, Edwin jackson, Sabathia, Verlander, Cueto.
(Felix being the highest at 94.8 and cueto being the lowest at 93.4).
If you average those 10 guys ERA it comes out to 3.76. AND that is MUCH better than those guys you mentioned above. i just averaged the top 10, you had to go between each guy and pick good ones but the top 10 velocity guys still come out much better.
SO if Beavan stayed throwing 95 then he could be much much better
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Just… “Wow.”
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outside of just looking at successful pitchers with high 80s fastballs
Beaven also isn’t just throwing high 80s. He is reaching 90 and will probably be throwing regularly in the low 90s at least next season.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Aug 24, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay.
SOME pitchers can be successful but its pretty rare. it much more likely you will be a good pitcher if you have a mid-90s fastball rather than a high 80s
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have no idea...
what the hell you’re talking about. Please go.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 24, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your right hitters can easily hit 95 mph
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
by lonestarJon on Aug 24, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Beavan..
after the 1st today .. 1ip 0h 0r 0er 0bb 1k
by Houston27 on Aug 24, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
Can someone tell me why every well-regarded young pitcher the Rangers bring to the majors ends up either sucking, getting hurt, or both?
you guys get tired of me being glass is half-empty, but i want to reiterate my opinion that until this team fields a competitive group AT THE MAJOR LEAGUE level nothing has been accomplished. too much can go wrong, rendering prospects potential-less.
would i rather have a good minor league system than a bad one? of course i would. that’s a dumb question. however, the is no guarantee that this franchise can be successful and no track record over 30+ years that would indicate an ability to win.
we are nowhere near as good as LAA, and would subsequently need to beat ALL OTHER wild card contenders in order to even make the playoffs. from there, it’s still unfortunately an uphill battle (as the 90s prove with our unbalanced attack that was completely ineffective in the post season).
i still get excited when everyone here seems to think that we can be contenders in 2010, but injuries are just one dose of reality that can derail the dream – and it is definitely a dream until proven otherwise.
by sam in so cal on Aug 24, 2008 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
?
are you trying to be a smart ass?
by sam in so cal on Aug 24, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all...
Im assuming you mean playoffs in general and not this year.
Take it easy over there. ;)
Honorable JK
by Strangers on Aug 24, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
i get so perturbed by nitpicking here sometimes, that i made a terrible assumption that you were trying to inform me that baseball had a "postseason"but no “playoffs”
i overacted b/c of your predecessors.
by sam in so cal on Aug 24, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know i dont think we'll be contenders in 2010
i doubt feliz and holland will dominate from day 1 and we cant assume our offense will be the same as it is this year.
but either way the pitching coaches will ruin feliz and holland after they dont like their “arm slot”. we all should message holland on myspace and insist he ignores everything the pitching coaches tell him if he wants to have a good career
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How old are you?
12?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inquiring Minds Want to Know.
I’m guessing older, by 1.5 years.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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by Rodney on Aug 24, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing something like 13
he’s probably Grant Schiller’s older, jealous brother.
by FirebatM3 on Aug 24, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Older, jealous and less-knowledgeable brother
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Davis with 3 ribbies ... you can't hold a good man down." - LonestarJon
"Maybe not, but I'd like to." - Me
by baseballismyboyfriend on Aug 24, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably rides the short bus also
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
by boomer1 on Aug 24, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong, it's just...
1) Brandon McCarthy was out almost all year with right elbow/forearm inflammation.
2) Hank Blalock is out for months with right shoulder inflammation.
3) Vicente Padilla had his start last Saturday pushed back due to inflammation in the right side of his neck.
4) When Kason Gabbard was moved to the 60-Day DL, it was for left shoulder inflammation.
5) Doug Mathis was on the 15-Day DL with right shoulder inflammation.
6) Ian Kinsler has the most mild form of sports hernia – inflammation of the abdominal wall.
7) And now I’m reading about Eric Hurley being done for 2008 in this thread due to right shoulder inflammation.
Look, I don’t have anything wrong with it personally, but what these seven items show me is that this team seems to have a bunch of flamers. Now I don’t care what people do during the off-season, but I don’t like opening up my newspaper in the middle of summer or early autumn and seeing a bunch of guys all huddled together on the injured list. It simply makes me uncomfortable.
And when I’m looking at minor league box scores, I want to see improvements from prospects, not seeing Major Leaguers trying to recover from inflammation. I think we’ve all seen over the last few years how ineffective rehab has been for flamers.
Hmmmmm…. I hope this isn’t misinterpreted.
Jonathan Greene's up to 34 HPB's in 503 PA's. Thinking about getting hit 34 times over four months really conjures up memories of ex-wife number three. I guess Greene must be an absolutely HORRIBLE COOK!!!
by YourNameHere on Aug 24, 2008 2:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can tell you all this.....
Hurley is NOT done for the year. I can honestly say T.R. Sullivan got bad information.
Hurley has thrown everyday for the past week and will throw of a mound a couple times next week.
Just letting you know. Take this information as you will. But Hurley is NOT done for the year.
by sidebar54 on Aug 24, 2008 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
who are you?
and how would you know?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 24, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's Jamey Wright
trying to fool us
by Telegraph on Aug 24, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be....
Or maybe it’s the ghost of Johnny Oates
by RangersOCD on Aug 24, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks BGL?
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
by boomer1 on Aug 24, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any chance
McCarthy sees some Dominican Winter League action to further help him regain his form and confidence? Don’t imagine a few starts in Aug. and Sept. would be enough.
by Rangerchick on Aug 24, 2008 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
epic fail as a prospect
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Aug 24, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not anymore...
Now he’s a “massive fail.”
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Aug 24, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he sucks he sucks he sucks he sucks
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Sincerely,
Steal Home
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
by Bob Loblaw on Aug 24, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
OT: Darius Miles signs with Celts?
man, blazers can’t be too happy about that….ouch.
to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...
by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2008 4:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No insurance money for you
Still, I’m sure they’ll console themselves by bringing in Rudy Fernandez next year.
by FirebatM3 on Aug 24, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is going to suck
playing against Portland this year.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 24, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or like the next ten
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2008 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
This sucks, but I was kind of bracing for this. We hadn’t heard anything of Hurley for awhile, which usually never bodes well. Sigh…
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
by lonestarJon on Aug 24, 2008 4:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Compare our situation to the Twins
We can’t get a young starter to stick in the rotation, no matter who they are. Meanwhile the Twins trade away Johan Santana and Matt Garza, without getting any ML ready pitching in either deal, then just plug in 4 homegrown starters, plus a homegrown ace.
Blackburn (157 ip), Slowey (120 ip), Baker (127 ip), and Perkins ALL (124 ip) all with ERA under 4.00. And of course they also have Liriano with an ERA under 2.00 since his return.
Amazing to think about the pitching talent they can trade away without skipping a beat in their rotation. Twins are the anti-Rangers.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Aug 24, 2008 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The entire twins organization is a beasticon.
they deserve national attention
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 24, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
at least we can lose whatever kind of positional player we want and plug a young guy in to get the same type of production.
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by Gdawg on Aug 24, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
The Twins have been trying to come up with a decent starting middle infield for a decade; the only good corner outfielder they’ve developed recently was Cuddyer, and they tried pretty hard to screw him up, and Mauer, while a good player, hasn’t really become the superstar everyone thought he would be.
They can develop pitching, but they’re pretty lousy when it comes to the other end of the game.
San Francisco, another traditionally pitching-rich club, is even worse when it comes to developing homegrown hitters- they’re probably as bad in that regard as the Rangers are with pitchers.
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by RCCook on Aug 24, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mauer
A 24 year old catcher who has won 2 batting titles hasn’t become a superstar?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 25, 2008 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
goes to show
how much more important it is to be able to develop young pitchers. The Twins, often without even replacement level players at MIF and COF, have still remained competitive with some playoff appearances sprinkled in. The Rangers, without any starting pitching, have been doormats, even with all the young position players that have successfully broken in.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Aug 25, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to retract....
(Assuming) since the Rangers are all but out of the Wild Card race and peering into next year, Texas has decided to shut Hurley down.
From what I have heard, he has been throwing the past couple weeks and has shown no signs of pain or discomfort.
I look forward to seeing him in the starting rotation next spring.
by sidebar54 on Aug 25, 2008 4:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So...
that’s good, I guess. Though surprising considering the horrible state of the rotation. If he’s healthy I’d think they’d both need him and want him out there to both soak up some innings and continue his growth against ML hitters. But, of course, healthy enough to throw without discomfort does not always equal healthy enough to pitch in games.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 26, 2008 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
frustrating thing
Hurley is only at about 100 ip for the year, so chances are that next year he will only be able to go about 150.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Aug 26, 2008 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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