Eddie Guardado to the Twins
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 25, 2008 2:02 PM CDT
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The DMN blog says Eddie Guardado has been dealt to the Twins, but no details...
UPDATE -- Not really an update, but it occurs to me that, unless the Rangers got an arm back from the Twins who is going on their 25 man roster, Texas will need to add a pitcher. Maybe Bill White, if they want to go lefty.
UPDATE -- From T.R. Sullivan:
The Rangers are getting Minor League reliever Mark Hamburger in return, a decent prospect. Bill White is being called up to replace Guardado
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That's
what I was thinking earlier in the week. Wouldn’t that be a solid return for Eddie G?
by BHill on Aug 25, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's too much
even as mediocre as Bonser has been.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonser is tired of playing in a dome.
…give him air, and he will succeed.
by oc on Aug 25, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on Cohagen, you got what you want...
give these people air!!!
"So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know... "
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 25, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Total
Recall?
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 25, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know it.
"So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know... "
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 26, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arthur Rhodes
got the Mariners Gabby Hernandez Z.
Arthur Rhodes!
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
The only thing about that is that I don’t think that the substance behind the name Gaby Hernandez matches the name value. I’m not very big on him.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not our valuations that's in question
though, it’s a player’s market value. I think Arthur Rhodes show that Eddie for Bonsor is a very likely possibility.
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may be, the more I think about it
I just suspect that Gaby’s market value isn’t very high, though, not just his name among fans.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is too
but if Boof comes here, he would instantly become the best starting pitcher on the staff based on this year’s performance…
by Telegraph on Aug 25, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
He really hasn’t been bad as a starter this year. His relief numbers are actually weighing him down.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling
it’ll be a younger reliever.
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Definitely thinking that
Mijares? Slama?
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slama
I’d be estatic if it was him, but I don’t think the Twins give up something like that for Eddie.
Mijares is probably a lot more realistic.
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d take the 7-1 Dutchman in a second as well.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be happy
with any pitcher who throws strikes and isn’t already way over last year’s inning total.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 25, 2008 2:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was surprised he wasn't moved
earlier.
Hope we got something useful
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by DJCahill on Aug 25, 2008 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
I’m curious whether the fact that this happened now is a result of the Twins agreeing to their request, or it’s them finally being willing to deal him. It’s probably the latter, unfortunately.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
is a Zach Ward too much for him?
to me, abortion is not a religious issue, it's a common sense one...
by Longhorn on Aug 25, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bleh
I wouldn’t think so.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bleh is right
Zach Ward is like a worse version of Andrew Laughter
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, after seeing the return
…it either doesn’t matter because the market for Guardado was pitiful to begin with, or Daniels absolutely blew this one.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankie
the “closer” now?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 25, 2008 2:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Closer
Expect a MJH post soon about how Chris Davis could be the closer.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 25, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Hey, isn’t that his natural position anyway?
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
11 BB, 52 Ks
awesome peripherals, for a closer. Too many HRs though
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was also surprised he wasn't dealt at the deadline
but I think the bullpen will take this pretty hard. Funny when you think about the joke JD played on him at the deadline, and kinda crappy.
by thedudeabides on Aug 25, 2008 2:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Washington...
called him into the office to tell him he’d been dealt to Seattle or somewhere that is not in the playoff chase
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 25, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wash pulled Eddie into JD's office at the deadline
and JD told him he’d been traded, apparently JD couldn’t keep a straight face for long. If the return on the deal is good, then fine, but it strikes me as poor form to play that joke then trade the guy (despite the fact that Eddie has been around the block and knows it is a business).
by thedudeabides on Aug 25, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be shocked
if he weren’t open to be dealt at this point, especially to the Twins.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember
the Twins are his team. To go to the playoffs with a team that you played so long for must be a pretty good feeling. It’s a lot like what we did for Kenny Lofton last year.
Now let’s hope our return is Max Ramirezesque
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
good point, I forgot that
withdrawn, but now I’m just hoping we didn’t get a “this trade is a favor to Eddie” return
by thedudeabides on Aug 25, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder what we'll get...
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2008 2:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
certainly nothing breathtaking
But I’d think that there would be at least a few teams (every team in contention) that would be real interested in a lefty reliever, so it might be a little better than what you would first guess.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Aug 25, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I know
just with Eddie’s performances the past 2 days, he frustrates me…oh well
by TxStCa on Aug 25, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Twins
are really interesting in that they don’t have a Great prospect, or even a top-tier prospect, but a bunch of guys who COULD turn out to be something. Guys like Boof Bonsor and Tyler Robertson all have obvious question marks about them, so I’d expect JD to get someone + a latin guy in return
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their bullpen blew it yesterday
Hope it’s a happy happy kneejerk
by Telegraph on Aug 25, 2008 2:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't know how to feel about this.
and neither does that clubhouse.
by oc on Aug 25, 2008 2:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would like to think
that if it is something useful than it wouldn’t be that bad, they know they aren’t going to win anything this year, so I hope they realize it’s for the better of the team (if it ends up being better for the team)
by TxStCa on Aug 25, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the ugly get uglier
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 25, 2008 2:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Too bad.
Adios, Eddie. I had grown to like him, and I appreciate his time as a Ranger. Pour one out.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
by ghtd36 on Aug 25, 2008 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
heard it on the ticket...
interesting…
obviously it wont be for much, but you never know.. could be something mildly interesting.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Aug 25, 2008 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Think we got Liriano?
If so, I would have asked for more…
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by Agreen07 on Aug 25, 2008 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone think this is the last move?
Will we see Cat to Philly or Blalock to San Francisco soon?
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would kill for Cat to anybody at this point.
I have nothing against Cat, but I don’t think he has a place on this team.
by jwiscarson on Aug 25, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the injuries i dont tihnk hes hurting anything right now
although with murph coming back at some point we will need the spot, hopefully cruz is doing enough to stay.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Aug 25, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has murphy even started his rehab...
if not, no way he’s back before rosters expand Sept 1 I would imagine.
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by rangers85 on Aug 25, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there is a 70/30 chance
both of those happen
by TxStCa on Aug 25, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible that Millwood or Padilla
end up traded before September as well. This could turn out to be an interesting week.
by jparks77 on Aug 25, 2008 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hamburger?
Arlington, Texas – The Texas Rangers announced today that the club has acquired minor league right-handed pitcher Mark Hamburger from the Minnesota Twins in exchange for left-handed pitcher Eddie Guardado. To take Guardado’s spot on the 25- and 40-man rosters, the club has purchased the contract of left-handed pitcher Bill White from Triple-A Oklahoma. White (#56) is expected to arrive and be available in the bullpen for tonight’s game in Kansas City.
Hamburger, 21, has spent the entire season with Elizabethton (Rookie) of the Appalachian League, going 1-2 with 13 saves and a 4.17 ERA (17 ER/36.2 IP) in 27 relief appearances. He was recently named the league’s Closer of the Year and added to the circuit’s postseason All-Star squad. He has held Appy League batters to a .250 (35-140) average with 13 walks and 40 strikeouts, allowing just 2 home runs. The 6-foot-4, 210-pound right-hander has allowed no walks with 10 strikeouts over his last 11 appearances beginning July 28.
by BHill on Aug 25, 2008 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh. My. Science.
Mark Hamburger just entered the pantheon of amazing names.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
by ghtd36 on Aug 25, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
southpark references
deserve a +1
by thedudeabides on Aug 25, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if he's related to
Neal Hamburger, hilarious at the bit of being “un-funny”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5NOt3ClPKA
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
by Bob Loblaw on Aug 25, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep that kid
away from Millwood. We know how Millwood likes his hamburgers
by TxStCa on Aug 25, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
sucks to be Hamburger.
He’s a Minnesota boy that grew up rooting for the Twins. Was really excited when they picked him.
Tough luck Buddy.
20 year old this year. Decent K rate, good relief prospect.
Right type, wrong name
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamburger
Wasn’t he an undrafted player signed at a tryout camp?
by jparks77 on Aug 25, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to milb
they didn’t even draft him, but signed him as an undrafted FA.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's it?
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by Rodney on Aug 25, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bleh
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no chance a guy named Hamburger will be good
You suck JD
by LiamP on Aug 25, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ziegler
Papelbon?
Hoffman?
I think to be a great reliever, you have to have a wierd name and/or be hispanic or Japanese
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Papelbon and Hoffman are good closer names
Ziegler I’ll give you.
by LiamP on Aug 25, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teagarden?
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Aug 25, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
surely there would have been a better return had we
been more willing to trade him at the deadline…. right?
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Aug 25, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the number of bad jokes Lewin will make
if this guy ever makes it to the show scares me
And I can already see the hamburger helper cheering section
by thedudeabides on Aug 25, 2008 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There's hamburger
with some mustard!
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamburger just eats him for lunch!
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
by ghtd36 on Aug 25, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
I have trouble digesting the hamburger deal. Then if he turns out to be a closer, Whattaburger …
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by Ed Coffin on Aug 25, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we've pretty much confirmed
that Josh Lewin is actually this team’s GM. Between Andrus, Smoak and Hamburger, he’s building himself the all-pun team
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Font
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's
More my type.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Aug 25, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I prefer Arial
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by rangers85 on Aug 25, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our only hope
is that Grieve shames him out of it, or if Rojas is his partner by that time. Rojas just sort of stares at him like ‘wtf?’ when he goes off on that sort of thing. I don’t think Josh likes working with Vic.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't seem
Like anyone does.
by brettgardner on Aug 25, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we get some discounted hamburger nights at TBiA out of this
My view of this trade may change
by thedudeabides on Aug 25, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamburger
As long as he comes with cheese, bring ’em up.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Aug 25, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are right
If this guy makes it we are going to have to hear “Hamburger with some 92 mile an hour cheese” every time he pitches
by thedudeabides on Aug 25, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lewin's head will explode if
Hamburger pitches to Salty.
Call 1-800-DOCTORB. The B is for bargain!
by Panorama on Aug 25, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohhh god no. dont even say that. i guess ill just mute the TV
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 25, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
name
it wouls suck to have his last name. But, a pitcher with that last name must be brutal.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Aug 25, 2008 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what was
the dude’s first name that played LB for the Redskins in the 70’s?
by mo on Aug 25, 2008 2:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thats right
hanburger. as a kid i always called him hamburger. man i hated him along with all the other skins.
by mo on Aug 25, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I know nothing about Hamburger...
Is it safe to say that Bonser>Burger or no?
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by sprite on Aug 25, 2008 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
it’s safe to say that he’s a pretty big longshot to have a major league career, so yeah. I suppose that the silver lining is that someone with the Rangers had to take a look at this guy and decide that he was worth adding. The Rangers might have lost compensation as a result of this, so he’d better be at least viable.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
compensation
given that guardado missed the large majority of 2007 isnt the chance of compensation pretty slim?
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Aug 25, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Performance
not injury time is used to calculate compensation. That’s why guys liek Gagne and Bradley can get comp picks.
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have thought that B was still a possibility
but maybe not. I haven’t looked at where he’d rank lately.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I played aroudn with it a bit
And too many of the stats were things like appearances, wins and saves – counting stats that Eddie just didn’t compete on over the last two years. I was hoping taking CJ’s role would help him get some SVs, but it didn’t.
There is no area though where compensation rankings are stranger than relief pitchers. But my guess is that the Rangers figured that they weren’t getting a compensation pick for him (or he was going to just retire), so they wanted to get whatever they could.
by JBImaknee on Aug 25, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But my guess is that the Rangers figured that they weren’t getting a compensation pick for him (or he was going to just retire), so they wanted to get whatever they could.
Not to redirect the discussion, because the compensation question was raised and appropriately responded to, but if that was their thought process, and assuming that his value was higher at the deadline (and I’m willing to consider that it wasn’t), I’m frustrated that they kidded themselves and missed out on whatever improved return, because they did not show a very good understanding of their team.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned this below
but I think that they also wanted to keep him around as a mentor to CJ.
by JBImaknee on Aug 25, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that worked out great
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by ab03 on Aug 25, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm extremely underwhelmed here.
I wasn’t expecting the Twins to break the bank, but … damn.
by Athos on Aug 25, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here
As Firebat mentioned, this is a perfect organization from which to pluck a middling but intriguing arm. I guess deals like this are why they continue to be such.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Hamburger
on the plus side, he’s got a pretty good K rate, decent GB rate and a cool name. On the other hand, he’s 21 years old and still in Rookie league.
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand, he’s 21 years old and still in Rookie league
…and is a reliever who pitches about an inning per outing, which takes a little more off of his numbers for me.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problems with Reliever for Reliever
was hoping for someone closer like Miajres or Korecky, but what have you
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with reliever either
but when you add the fact that he’s only pitching an inning at a time to the fact that he’s putting up okay but not special numbers in essentially a rookie league at age 21, bleh.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah pretty much
if we’re lucky he’ll become something like Brennan Garr or Andrew Laughter. Pretty meddling return, but maybe somebody saw something.
I hope
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a rookie coming from CC
So JD could challenge him with Clinton playoff run, they do need a closer, and move Ortiz back to setup guy.
by gamerabcd on Aug 25, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty disappointing
should have traded him at the deadline.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 25, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+Infinity
He should have been traded 26 days ago. JD should have beaten Seattle to the punch by sending Eddie to Florida before the Mariners could have sent them Rhodes. As of late-July, Eddie’s numbers were better than those of Rhodes.
But, JD and Nolan had to play the PR game. They didn’t have the balls to call a spade a spade. This was/is a bad team. It was not and never was a contender for the 2008 postseason.
by Hard8 on Aug 25, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3760701567428175026
video of him pitching
He works as a server at CHAMPPS 5 days a week in the offseason
by lamron on Aug 25, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guardado had played himself out of Type B free agency
So really JD got something for nothing. What benefit was it to keep him to retirement. Also, this is another 40 spot saved to keep some players during offseason.
by gamerabcd on Aug 25, 2008 2:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
40 spot?
Eddie was gonna be a FA so he wouldn’t have had a 40 spot this winter. In fact if White does any good we may keep him and that actually costs us a 40 spot.
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by bigsteve on Aug 25, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right
Good to find out what White has if anything now.
by gamerabcd on Aug 25, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not type B
you sure about that? If so, it lessens the disappointment at the return for sure. If he is still a type B, I’d rather have the comp.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 25, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Video clip!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3760701567428175026
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Does his setup and delivery look a lot like Jamey Wright to anyone else? Also, if that’s thunder in the sound track, WTH were they doing continuing that April game ?!?!
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Aug 25, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you only get compensation if a player signs elsewhere?
Did the Giants get comp for Bonds?
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on Aug 25, 2008 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Comp
only occurs if you offer arbitration (which the Giants did not) and the player signs with another team.
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants didnt want him
They couldnt afford to offer arbitration.
by gamerabcd on Aug 25, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where has Bonds signed?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 25, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
arb
The decision may have been made to not offer Guardado arbitration. Any return is then better than nothing.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Aug 25, 2008 2:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Arbitration
Forgot about that. I’m guessing the Rangers decided they were definitely not going to offer Guardado arbitration so they needed to get what they could for him. But why didn’t they decide that a month ago?
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 25, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hopes and dreams
A month ago they still had hopes dreams of the wildcard.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Aug 25, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burger must be really bummed, being the Twins homer he is.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Aug 25, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do they have the Metric System in KC?
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by txranger7 on Aug 25, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't understand this trade at all
i think lots of teams around the league are shaking their heads in disgust thinking that they were willing to give up more to get EG at the deadline.
makes us look kind of incompetent. were we doing eddie a favor here by trading him to his old team?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Aug 25, 2008 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yet no one but Twinkies took a claim on him
Don’t forget at the trading deadline, the team was thinking about playoff prospects.
by gamerabcd on Aug 25, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then that's equally stupid
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Aug 25, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they probably knew they couldnt make the playoffs
but tselling everyone would lose a lot of casual fans, it looks like your giving up when you have a “chance”
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 25, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what fans
did we have attendance records in august?
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by ab03 on Aug 25, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not everyone is a lone star ball poster, there ab03
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 25, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think teams probably were williing to give more up at the deadline.
but the rangers decided we were in competition and that eddie was a key figure.
now that hes started to fall off and theres less of the season left.. i guess this was the best we can get. its disappointing though. if all you can get is a relief prospect, cant it at least be someone closer to the mlb..
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Aug 25, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then vs now
At the trade deadline we were still within earshot of the playoffs and for us to trade our most consistent bullpen pitcher would have taken alot. Now we have gone in the crapper and Eddie hasn’t been as consistent.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 25, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Within earshot
only if one wanted to delude himself. They weren’t going to the playoffs.
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by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know
it’s fine and everything if people say i’m not a real fan for thinking that the rangers didn’t have a chance at the playoffs. as a fan, i could see why i might be expected to be optimistic.
but, you really did have to be a complete moron if you thought the rangers had a snowball’s chance in hell at the playoffs. were never going to win the division and had to leapfrog way too many better teams to get the wild card. and it’s august and texas and we had the one of the shittiest bullpens that had already been overused.
i was fine with keeping eddie in the clubhouse for leadership purposes but now that we’ve traded him after less than a month, was it really worth it?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Aug 25, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not up to us
It is not up to us to tell the players, coaches and front office if they are or are not in a playoff chase. They were close enough at the ASB for the team to believe they had a chance. If a team believes they can make the playoffs, the GM should not torpedo his team by trading away important pieces.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Aug 25, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
um
yes, yes he should. absolutely he should. what he doesn’t need to settle for are these crap trades when he could have had better deals.
and, i’m getting pretty annoyed at the idea that nolan ryan kept JD from selling off pieces because he thought the team was ready to compete.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Aug 25, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybeee
JD knew eddie would suck in august and he wanted to get a better draft pick
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 25, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
if that really was the Rangers’ rationale, and if they really could have gotten something significantly better (and I’m not that sure that they could, honestly), it’s a great way to be bad to mediocre indefinitely. You can’t always swim with the current. Sometimes you have to do unpopular things because they’re right for your club.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what was offered for Guardado at the deadline?
I have heard what was offered for some of our other players but I hadn’t heard anything about what was offered for Guardado. So I think its kinda dumb to be jumping to conclusions that we could have gotten such a better package a month ago then now.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 25, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been pretty careful
to point that out each time I’ve stated my issue. It’s possible that no one thought that he could keep up what he was doing and there was just next to no meaningful market for him. Considering how inflated the value of relievers – and especially lefty relievers – tends to be at the deadline, it made sense to me that he would have enough value to bring an interesting prospect. But I do think that it’s possible that his market was just never there.
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by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the only way I can take it
And that’s sweet and all, and maybe treating guys like Guardado and Lofton like this makes it easier to get these sorts of guys in the future, I don’t know. But I really don’t think that either of them signed here because they knew they’d be looked after upon their exits, and at least in the immediate it’s a head scratcher.
This is by no means definitive (you can compile an impressive list of guys who didn’t get listed in this book) or up to date, but the prospect handbook lists 71 prospects on their depth chart, and he wasn’t among them after his nice GCL showing. When you add in the new draftees, does his Appy League performance move him up much? They look like they’ve gotten about Minnesota’s 50th-65th best prospect here.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is it
1> The Rangers didn’t think Eddie would bring a compensation pick and/or didn’t want to risk him accepting arbitration next season.
2> Trading him definitely does make the Rangers more appealing as a one-year contract destination. It pays to treat your players well.
3> I believe they kept him at the July deadline for two reasons. First, they thought there was a long-shot playoff chance, and he would have been important. But more so, I think they were hoping that Eddie would be a mentor to CJ Wilson. Obviously with CJ gone, he’s not as essential to have around.
Finally, there is always the chance that some Ranger scout saw something in Hamburger that got them interested. You’d think they’d be able to get more anyway, but you never know.
by JBImaknee on Aug 25, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just not happy with #3.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
man
the likelihood that a FA signing makes it is like zero.
His splits against lefties sucks as well; doesn’t bode will for a 21yo cc in short season ball…
by Goyogringo on Aug 25, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Connor called
and said that if they tinker with his mechanics a little bit, that he could be dominating.
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 25, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is eddie G guys
with no FB and really not much else; he has only ‘moxie’ and ‘grit’…We weren’t going to trade for a guy on the 40. I have no problems with Hamburger, he could turn into a useful bullpen arm and we need those…
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by Longhorn on Aug 25, 2008 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we could have sold him as a serviceable loogy
teams needed those at the deadline
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Aug 25, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could I have a Hot Dog with my Hamburger?
Please?!!!!?
by DCRanger on Aug 25, 2008 3:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Aikman and Bradshaw?
Please. They are in the same league as Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahon as QBs who were taken to the SB by great Defenses and great Running Games.
-DJCahill
by SarasotaRanger on Aug 25, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did yall....
Seriously expect to get something good for one month of Guardado. Seriously? I’m surprised we could get a Hamburger in exchange for him.
by erikj07 on Aug 25, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if you are surprised we could get a 21 year old rookie ball reliever with a 4.17 era for
a reliever in a tough ballpark with a 3.65 ERA and 11 fewer hits allowed than innings pitched…
well thats your problem.
at this stage its not about the month of regular season games, its about improving your team for the playoffs if you make it. there are enough teams that could use a solid lefty reliever that being a bit disappointed in this return is warranted.
but i certainly believe at this point it was the best JD could get. thats why much of the discussion is about the deadline…
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Aug 25, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"a tough ballpark"
ahem … tball?
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 25, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really liked eddie
but might as well get something for him since they obviously weren’t planning on resigning him.
where does hamburger rate in our system of prospects? 30, 35?
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 25, 2008 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
60-65 maybe?
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously? why even trade eddie then
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 25, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is the question
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Aug 25, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another bad move by JD.
CJ talked about how he was a leader in the bullpen and taught the guys stuff. that has to account for more than a bad prospect
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 25, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he talked that way about Gagne too
and look what we got for him.
by jcAustin on Aug 25, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a lot. but hamburger isnt even worth gabbard
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 25, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CJ is not one to quote
True Guardado was a glue guy that kept things lively in the clubhouse, but the clubhouse worry and team talent are two things completely.
by gamerabcd on Aug 25, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hamburger is not talent. he'll go no where
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 25, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
It’s possible that this guy has been showing more than we realize this summer, but his numbers certainly don’t indicate that.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How hard is it to see this team is going nowhere in last month of the year
Why not trade him, Millwood, Padilla, and Cat if we can get some value for them. Cat especially since he has done nothing of value but cost us a pick in his 3 yrs.
by gamerabcd on Aug 25, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we have somewhat of a shot at contention next year
we have to keep padilla
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 25, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
if he reverts to last years Padilla, not sure if he is worth the risk. But being it is a contract year, he surely will play his heart out. Yet, after next year would not offer a contract, rather trade him if he has any value next year.
by gamerabcd on Aug 25, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only way i do that
is if we get 2 major league ready starters, and we just hope andy hawinks doesn’t like to change pitchers deliveries
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 25, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I honestly think that’s generous. When I run through my minors rosters spreadsheet I count 69-70 who I would be pretty sure I wouldn’t deal for him unless there is more than meets the eye. And I’m sure there are a few of our guys I’m not considering that you’d probably prefer if you put them next to each other.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, way low
He is only in his first year, and this team is way too loaded to have a reliever in top 30.
by gamerabcd on Aug 25, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This may be the result of Nolan Ryan
not wanting to bum out fans and the team by trading EG at the deadline and handcuffing JD. Whoever decided to wait till now, it was a bad decision and one that worries me. If he had been traded at the deadline we may not have gotten Bonser, but we’re in a much better position to get something more than Hamburger. If moves are being dictated by motives like “not alienating the fanbase further” they will be reactionary and not forward thinking. Moving Gagne last year was forward thinking, moving EG now is reactionary, and if you add that mind-set to a few trades we go right back to where we were…suckland.
by jcAustin on Aug 25, 2008 3:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
x
“I would rather play for the Twins more than any other team in the Major League and I thank God that I get this amazing opportunity.” – Mark Hamburger
Today is the youngest you will ever be. Act like it.
by miles on Aug 25, 2008 3:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lol. well he wont get up here anyway
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 25, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder if the scouts considered that at all
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Aug 25, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he'll just join the group of sucky pitchers
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 25, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would they?
99% of baseball players have a favorite team that isn’t the one they play for.
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by Wes Cox on Aug 25, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im really suprised by this reaction
Had we traded away Cat for hamburger people would be jumping up and down. But trading Eddie, a 40 year old reliever who tops out at 88 mph on his fastball and has gotten progressively worse as the summer has gone along gets fans all riled up. Nobody knows if we were offered much for eddie at the deadline or not. Hell for all we know this is the same deal as at the deadline. until someone comes up with some evidence that we passed up trading Eddie for a legit prospect to trade him a month later for this guy then I am fine with the deal.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 25, 2008 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Im loving it
We have about 30 eddie guardados in the minors.
by SaltyGoesYard on Aug 25, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats the highest I have seen it
It usually sits around 86 from what I have seen
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 25, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference
of course is that you’d be getting out from under owed money if you dealt Cat for this guy.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
its not like Im happy about who we got but man the people on this board really do overvalue our own people. He is an old, wearing down bullpen arm that is useless to us now that we are out of contention and is a FA after the year. I can’t believe people really expected to get a major piece in return for him now or at the deadline.
by erikj07 on Aug 25, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
our bullpen is shit and now its shittier. next year it will be worse
I give up
by Steal Home on Aug 25, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can never....
really predict the effectiveness of a bullpen going into a season. Its a pretty big guess on what bullpens will be good most years.
by erikj07 on Aug 25, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No matter what kind of talent we have in the pen...
It’ll keep being shitty until we get some starters that can go longer than 4 or 5 innings a night… Does keeping Eddie Guardado another month change that? No…
Don’t see the problem with this trade at all… Take a chance on a young arm or keep Guardado for a month and get nothing out of it… For this team, it’s a no-brainer.
by N41D on Aug 25, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good call
I’m totally fine taking a flier on this kid. 21 years old vs. 40. one that MAYBE can help us over the next 3 or 4 years when we’re starting to compete vs. one that’s going to be here at MOST next year. one that can throw in the 90’s and strikes out a good amount of hitters vs. one that tops out at 87 and barely misses a bat.
is he the next Scott Shields? we don’t know that, but that’s doubtful. But the fun thing is we know what Eddie is, and we know he’s almost done.
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by Walter Sobchak on Aug 26, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's very cold in Virginia, Minnesota.
Kid has almost no miles on his arm and probably almost no scout log, outside of the Twins. I hope he popped off a few mid-90s pitches that caught the attention of someone in the Rangers org. There are worse things for the Rangers to get out of this trade than someone who might be similar to Garr.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Aug 25, 2008 3:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He was closer of the year
In a prospect laden league.
by gamerabcd on Aug 25, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think we scouted him
to see if he can become a starter?
by Coolbean04 on Aug 25, 2008 3:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well...
when you’ve got Hurley, Harrison, Hunter, Feliz, Holland, possibly Kiker all coming to the big leagues as major starting prospects within the next year or so, followed by an even bigger wave of standout starters, and your bullpen has been just about as bad as your starting rotation, I would say he’s just as valuable as a very good relief prospect as he would be as a good starting prospect. This team has to start churning out stud pitching on both ends of the spectrum from within, and move on from the disappointments.
Things would have looked a lot better this year, of course, if CJ had been fully healthy and Jack Benny would have done his part. Just those two alone doing what they can do would have been HUGE.
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by Walter Sobchak on Aug 26, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
couple other things to consider
1. The Twins are picking up the remaining $620K he is owed.
2. The Rangers have done very well scouting and drafting pitchers the few years.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Aug 25, 2008 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: #2
For every Beau Jones, there’s a Daniel Haigwood.
I’m not saying Hamburger is gonna be a flop, but it just looks like a give away at this point. Hopefully he’s challenged sooner than later so we can see what he’s really worth…
What's the rumpus?
by Hypo-Luxa on Aug 25, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
The pitchers the Rangers seem to have done well on in that trade, Feliz, Harrison, Jones, were all extremely high profile. Jones was a first rounder, and the other two had been ranked by major publications in Atlanta’s top three and were on those respective top 100s. The Rangers may have made a great call in the way they made sure to get him included in the deal, but again, that was something a-holes like us who had the scouting prowess equal to reading his stats and Kevin Goldstein were begging for. Looking across the organization, about the most successful sleeper type that they’ve traded for is Mendoza. Do you really want Mendoza as your big scouting success story?
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Young
would count as the “big success story”.
by clark on Aug 25, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Can you credit Chris Young to this leadership group and pro scouts? Not sure about that.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Madrigal
you have to think we were scouting pretty well there. wasn’t even a pitcher for a full year, and the theft aspect aside, our scouts knew what they were getting here…has he translated into consistent MLB success yet? no. but I’d argue that by this time next year, Madrigal’s looking like a path we’d all want Hamburger to follow.
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by Walter Sobchak on Aug 26, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have trouble believing
any minor league reliever is worth much of anything, unless its like a Huston Street.
A lot of Minor league starters become major league relievers.
A lot of Minor league relievers end up pumping gas.
Most likely Hamburer will be pumping gas.
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by DJCahill on Aug 25, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That concept is overstated
There are a lot of successful minor league RP prospects these days: Ziegler, Devine, Arredondo, Morrow, KRod, Sherrill, Street, Betancourt, Ramirez, Soria, etc., etc. There are quite a few promising relief arms knocking on the door as well.
I agree with the conclusion, though.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pumping Gas? No. Waiting Tables? Yes.
He doesn’t pump gas, but he does wait tables at Champp’s.
by Mister Naxal on Aug 25, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet, giving him away for nothing.
I got magic beans for JD.
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by DJCahill on Aug 25, 2008 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and you LOVED the Bmac trade.
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by Longhorn on Aug 25, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
Could this have simply been a way to White some playing time to see what he’s got? Granted, it’s stupid to give someone away that can provide some decent contributions and I think the Rangers should have gotten more for Eddie, but that’s all I got for a reason.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Aug 25, 2008 4:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to give the Burger a chance...
… but my view has always been that certain names just can’t be successful. Can you hear any announcer saying with a straight face, “The Rangers have Hamburger warming up in the pen?”
It’s the same reason a guy named George Tallywhacker couldn’t be president. No matter how smart or qualified he is.
by sggut95 on Aug 25, 2008 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This year?
I’d vote for Tallywhacker.
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 25, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could we have gotten
Anthony Reyes for him at the trading deadline??
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by hinduplaya on Aug 25, 2008 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it
I think if JD could have gotten anyone with that much upside at or before the deadline, he would have sprained his finger pulling the trigger.
by sggut95 on Aug 25, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
when you think of what the Cards got for him, and to think of how much St Louis was looking for bullpen help, I gotta think it had to be offered at some point.
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by hinduplaya on Aug 25, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JDs a lot of things
But I don’t think he’s an idiot. If he had that deal in hand, he would have done it.
by sggut95 on Aug 25, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if
we couldn’t have topped Perdomo though.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z, do you know how high he was ranked in the Clev. system??
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by hinduplaya on Aug 25, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn’t in their 60-70 prospect depth chart according to BA in the offseason. He throws hard, though, and was doing well in HA. In their tools survey he was voted the best relief prospect in the CL this year. I think he’s basically a mid-90s arm and little else at this point.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Seeing that, I’m pretty sure now that JD could have definately done something for him. Maybe not involving Eddie G, but if all Cle. had to do was give up cash and this guy, than I think it would have been very easy for him to get a better offer.
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by hinduplaya on Aug 25, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On another note...
.. who’s closing now? Did we cover that? Benoit has a 3.00 ERA since the break, with 10 K in 6 innings. Francisco a little over 4.00. Wright 3.79. The always popular “committee?”
by sggut95 on Aug 25, 2008 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hamburger
has been clocked by a Rangers scout at 96 mph in a recent appearance, and he has to be pretty raw still. He is 6’4" and 200 lbs, so he has a legit pitchers body. I would like to see him finish out the year in Clinton.
by clark on Aug 25, 2008 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mmm... raw hamburger.
Can the Rangers ask him to change his name?
by sggut95 on Aug 25, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
It doesn’t really add up that he’s added 4+ miles of velocity, moved up about a half step, and hasn’t really seemed to make any progress statistically, but whatever, 96 mph on the FB definitely makes him more intriguing. With his lack of background there’s probably decent growth potential on the rest of his game.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
I’m not too sure about that, a huge (7) jump in K rate and a equally large (10) decline in GB rate probably means he’s got more mph on the FB, and he’s getting it up as a result.
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Article also mentions Boof and Tyler Robertson in the discussion
I suppose both of those were more like monologues
by Telegraph on Aug 25, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is insane
this is eddie freaking guardado.
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by Longhorn on Aug 25, 2008 4:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What's insane?
The fact the Rangers gave up Eddie Freakin Guardado for nothing or the fact that people are spending so much time talking about Eddie Freaking Guardado? Either would be an acceptable answer.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Aug 25, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A variety of images.
And, of course…
Oh, hamburgers.
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by ghtd36 on Aug 25, 2008 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So
its not clear to me who anyone is really blaming, even with a few JD’s again an idiot statements.. Who were the Rangers going to get at the deadline? Is Hamburger someone whose stats are skewed by a couple of bad outings? Bonsor, a young starter for 2 months of an aging, if game reliever? Really? Anthony Reyes? Really ?
by mcgee48c on Aug 25, 2008 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All we can do is guess
No one has any concrete idea of what they could have gotten at the deadline, so all opinions are based on conjecture. Clark mentions above that there is an article saying that Texas clocked this Hamburger at 96. I think that pretty well explains about 98% of their interest in him. Personally I think they missed a chance to get more for him, but again that’s only a guess.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to the same clark article
Texas wanted a lot more for Eddie at the deadline. Something like Brian Duesing.
by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's
sort of what I was thinking they might get if they were lucky. Damn (not on Duensing in particular, but just the level of player in general).
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know if we covered this...
… but TR Sullivan says Franke Fran will close.
by sggut95 on Aug 25, 2008 5:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If his name is not Hamburger
I imagine there would be a lot more outrage over the deal
by Telegraph on Aug 25, 2008 5:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How bout a shift in conversation...
To how Frankie will do as closer?
by sggut95 on Aug 25, 2008 5:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Meh...
can’t expect much more for one month of Eddie. I’m sure the Rangers weren’t going to offer him arb anyway.
I think the Rangers just did this as a favor to Eddie after falling out of the wild card race (if they were ever in it to begin with is VERY debatable). Just wish they could have moved him a month ago.
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by slc ranger on Aug 25, 2008 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You know something
I’m not gonna miss Eddie. 37 freaking years old, can’t throw above 87 MPH and has stunk it up the last two outings… no big loss, even though the return is slightly underwhelming.
The only question I have is going back to that rumor about Eddie and the Cardinals for that SP prospect back before the deadline… whatever happened to that?
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
by lonestarJon on Aug 25, 2008 7:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Some info from Jamey's minor league board
After getting Jamey’s note about the Guardado trade, I emailed Ray Smith, who is (was) Hamburger’s manager at Elizabethton. I coached with Ray and Danny Clark (current Lumberkings pitching coach) at Milligan College in 2004. Ray is the A.D. at Milligan and is an assistant baseball coach when he’s not busy winning yet another short-season rookie league title with the Elizabethton Twins. Anyway, here is what Ray had to say about Hamburger and his team which is heading into the Appalachian League playoffs later this week:
Yah, Hamburger is our closer. Or, was our closer…good arm though. Tops out at 96 and throws 93/94.
We are playing guys out of position, guys are hurt, and now we lose our closer. We have no chance in the playoffs…..
Oh well, we’ll show up and see what happens. Danny Clark just called me up asking about Hamburger They might send him there (Midwest League- Clinton).
Hope that all is well. See ya soon.
Ray S.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Aug 25, 2008 8:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not bad...
Tops out at 96. Age/level is a concern but who knows.
I guess I would rather get something than nothing for Eddie at this point.
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by slc ranger on Aug 25, 2008 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I woulda missed that.
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