A couple of random observations
Scott Feldman's line allowed by pitch count (before yesterday's game):
1-25 -- .293/.385/.526
26-50 -- .235/.333/.417
51-75 -- .250/.343/.422
76-100 -- .327/.364/.541
Makes you think that, as someone who has been relieving for a while, his big issue is running out of gas at about 80 pitches.
And then, a quick comparison...
Marlon Byrd in 2008: .295/.378/.473
Matt Murton in 2008: .186/.219/.229 (majors)
Matt Murton in 2008: .277/.368/.375 (AAA)
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Murton
Most here (including me) would have been ok with a straight up Byrd for Murton trade in spring training. I think Murton has been mishandled to some degree, but I’m glad that they didn’t do that. The outfield situation looks soooooo different now than it did a year ago.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on Aug 26, 2008 1:24 PM CDT 0 recs
Yep...
I was wrong about Byrd/Murton too.
Still expect to here a lot of rumors this winter about moving Byrd. Hopefully for a pitcher, we shall see.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Aug 26, 2008 11:45 PM CDT
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so uh...
told you so?
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
by gossamer on Aug 26, 2008 1:29 PM CDT 0 recs
i uh oh
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
by gossamer on
Aug 26, 2008 2:45 PM CDT
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Also, smart of the Cubs to keep Gallagher, who was part of the Harden deal.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Aug 26, 2008 1:38 PM CDT 0 recs
and so far, at least
smart of them to deal him for Harden.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
by t ball on
Aug 26, 2008 2:00 PM CDT
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Feldman splits
I’d be interested to see if his stats 76-100 have gone up recently, or if they’ve been steady the entire year. He has blown out his career IP and I’m wondering why the Rangers are not looking at shutting him down.
by mattrpav on Aug 26, 2008 1:49 PM CDT 0 recs
We have nobody to replace him in the rotation.
The Rangers tried to shut him down earlier this season.
by jwiscarson on
Aug 26, 2008 2:51 PM CDT
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He may get one more start
With Millwood, Padilla, McCarthy, and Harrison healthy I imagine when rosters expand mendoza will be back up and a priority will be to shut Feldman down. either Mendoza or Hunter can take his spot in the rotation.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Aug 26, 2008 2:53 PM CDT
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I think they've gotta think about shutting down Hunter, even though he has the body
of a bulldog. He is way above the IP he posted last year.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on
Aug 26, 2008 2:55 PM CDT
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re:
http://www.lonestarball.com/2008/8/25/601286/8-25-08-game-day-thread-2#8334875
thanks to bigsteve for the data…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
by Longhorn on Aug 26, 2008 1:52 PM CDT 0 recs
People here had annointed Murton as the next big thing
AJM had Murton pegged all along – a nice-but-unspectacular player with limited power and limited defense. Good non-move. Turns out the Rangers (so far at least) were correct in wanting more than Murton for Byrd.
Good lesson for those that like to say trades are “no brainers” (me included at times)… it’s not always that simple.
by Baider on Aug 26, 2008 2:29 PM CDT 0 recs
simply not true
the prevailing opinion was not that he would be a star. just that byrd was a fluke and murton was probably a bit better and locked up longer.
appears hes actually worse.
and while in this case I do think there was legitimate logic to saying it was better to keep byrd, you cant always confused the result with the decision with hindsight.. there are trades that would look bad now that would have been logically sound, good trades in the offseason.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Aug 26, 2008 2:34 PM CDT
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heh
you’re saying this to a fanbase that still self-flagellates over the Danks-McCarthy and Soriano-Wilkerson deals shep. Fighting a losing battle
by FirebatM3 on
Aug 26, 2008 2:36 PM CDT
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Hey that soriano deal is lookin pretty good now isnt it =)
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Aug 26, 2008 2:41 PM CDT
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Yeah, for the Tigers.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on
Aug 26, 2008 4:48 PM CDT
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I'm not confusing result with decision
I agreed with the minority who felt Murton was a nice-but-unspectacular player. Have always felt he left something to be desired in terms of corner power, and defense.
I don’t disagree with your assessment of the prevailing opinion here. Should have titled my previous post “SOME people here…” as I do remember some saying he was a breakout candidate and would look good hitting in the middle of the Rangers order.
by Baider on
Aug 26, 2008 5:04 PM CDT
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Murton v. Byrd
I think Murton has some value, and is better than what he’s shown so far this year…
On the other hand, I think that this was an instance where folks didn’t acknowledge the extent to which Murton’s value was dependent on his average, and underrated the defensive edge Byrd had.
I freely admit, initially, my feeling was that you make a Murton for Byrd move, no question…but the more I looked at it, the more I came to believe that Murton was a nice complimentary piece, but not someone who was likely to be a solid everyday major leaguer, particularly given his defensive limitations, and that Byrd had more short-term value. Murton for Byrd could be a positive move, long-term, mainly because of the service time issues, but the gain appears to be marginal, and I just didn’t see that that sort of marginal and very uncertain gain was worth it.
by Adam J. Morris on
Aug 26, 2008 2:39 PM CDT
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What Adam really wanted to say...
…but couldn’t bring himself to, was this:
“…but the gain appears to be marginal, and especially in view of the positive he’s been in the clubhouse, I just didn’t see that that sort of marginal and very uncertain gain was worth it.”
by Jamey Newberg on
Aug 26, 2008 2:48 PM CDT
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Agreed Jamey, But....
Not even sure “everything on Earth is quantifyiable, there’s nothing that can’t be measured by statistics” Adam could even think of such a thing, let alone type it.
by Topgun22 on
Aug 26, 2008 2:57 PM CDT
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LOL
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg1 on
Aug 26, 2008 3:11 PM CDT
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His tremendous leadership
might get them close to .500.
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by DJCahill on
Aug 26, 2008 3:18 PM CDT
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as I was scrolling down the thread
I could see this comment, but couldn’t see the author.
Turns out, I didn’t need to. But it is a valid point.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on
Aug 26, 2008 3:38 PM CDT
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DeRosa
talk of byrd reminds me of DeRosa again. .862 ops.. wow. nice. he was down in the 770s last time i checked on him.
Anyway, byrd….. ive actually been impressed by his defense quite a bit in addition to his offensive uptick. There is no reason for it so im probably imagining it, but when he was playing cf it seemed like he was just getting to more than he did last year.
id be curious to know if the stats reflect that.
id still deal him for a decent starting pitching prospect if anyone buys him as semi-legit this offseason.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on Aug 26, 2008 2:30 PM CDT 0 recs
BP has him as
being clearly above average and well above average this year in CF while last year had him hurting the team when he was manning CF. Based on which metric you want to use, he is anywhere from 3-12 runs above average and 11-12 runs above a replacement player in CF. Last year he was between 13 and 23 runs below average while being 3-6 runs below a replacement player.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg1 on
Aug 26, 2008 2:45 PM CDT
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great success.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Aug 26, 2008 2:46 PM CDT
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Byrd this year
Its awesome to be able to see him making a huge difference and knowing that it isn’t just a glimpse of greatness or anything, he is really doing an amazing job of manning CF this year and his bat is making him a great CF this season.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg1 on
Aug 26, 2008 3:12 PM CDT
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Byrd
The real FOTF? Nah, just the real LITCH*.
*=Leader In The ClubHouse
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by Rodney on
Aug 26, 2008 6:53 PM CDT
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Feldman-Millwood
I love the stats, Adam. Is there any such observational view you have on Millwood’s year? Just curious.
by 3Bagger on Aug 26, 2008 2:36 PM CDT 0 recs
Feldman...
Well his splits for pitches 1-25 aren’t pretty either. Not a good sign for a relief pitcher is it?
by Topgun22 on Aug 26, 2008 2:51 PM CDT 0 recs
I wonder
how much of that was the boston implosion
by FirebatM3 on
Aug 26, 2008 4:20 PM CDT
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There are some pitchers
who’s stuff just is better out of the rotation. Feldman may have had that problem last year as a RP. His stuff was no longer top notch like in the minors, his delivery was caught on to, and he wasn’t out there long enough in a game to set his off-speed stuff and breaking ball up much.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg1 on
Aug 26, 2008 6:45 PM CDT
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You know what scares me?
His BA/OBP differential. That is way, way too high. I could probably tolerate an opposing SLG in the .400s if his OBP line weren’t nearly 100 points higher in every category.
by jwiscarson on Aug 26, 2008 2:56 PM CDT 0 recs
Byrd
He’s about to turn 31. Has been terrible away from RBiA during his Rangers career, and he has a .388 BABIP since the AS break. Basically, he’s not this good – Murton might not be any better, but Byrd will probably make 2-4 million next year.
by Randy Richardson on Aug 26, 2008 3:07 PM CDT 0 recs
He may not be this good in the future, but he has been “this good” the past two years, regardless of why.
by Baider on
Aug 26, 2008 3:58 PM CDT
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Byrd
I’m probably not very objective about him, but he did have a .686 OPS just six weeks ago and most people were bitching about the playing time the he was getting. He’s very streaky and his numbers over the last two years are VERY inflated by the numbers he’s put up at RBiA. He’s alright but I hope the Rangers trade him in the offseason if they feel that Boggs is good enough defensively to back up Hamilton in CF.
by Randy Richardson on
Aug 26, 2008 6:01 PM CDT
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you bring up something that I've wondered
why hasn’t Boggs gotten any time in CF this season? Is it just because Wash prefers Byrd there, or is it that the club doesn’t feel he is suited for ML CF? It was my impression that he was a very impressive CF in AA, and obviously his bat plays better there.
If Boggs can play above average CF, then that opens up more possibilities for next years OF, and also eases the sting if Borbon is included in a deal.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on
Aug 26, 2008 6:16 PM CDT
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good questions
I would like to know the answers too.
by Randy Richardson on
Aug 26, 2008 6:20 PM CDT
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Boggs has been playing LF mostly.
In the Ballpark, LF is a pretty tough field to cover too. It might just be the Rangers putting a good defensive player there while having 3 above average guys to man CF in Hamilton/Byrd/Murphy.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg1 on
Aug 26, 2008 6:54 PM CDT
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Why isn't he this good exactly?
125 OPS+ on the season. Between May 17th (his first start since returning from injury) and August 2 (went 1-19 in his last 4 games with 4 BBs), he had a .792 OPS. On the season he has a .328 BABIP, far from unsustainable for a guy who has a career .326 BABIP. Every good player has hot streaks and during those hot streaks, you’re often going to find a great BABIP. It doesn’t mean that this is all a mirage, just the way baseball always evens out (remember that .174 BABIP in April).
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg1 on
Aug 26, 2008 6:52 PM CDT
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Byrd
Fair point about the BABIP. But there’s nothing about his past to suggest that 125+ is sustainable.
by Randy Richardson on
Aug 26, 2008 10:10 PM CDT
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Feldman
is not going to strike out a lot but won’t usually walk a lot either. A lot of his success depends on infield defense and if the ground balls he gives up find holes. He has a lot of movement on his fastball. He’s probably serviceable at the bottom of the rotation for a good team. That may not be a lot, but its about all we’ve found out about our pitching this year, other than several young pitchers who have been called up for a short time were not completely overmatched.
I’m not sure anyone is saying Byrd is a for sure world beater but the idea that he can’t be a serviceable ML outfielder has been somewhat debunked. Other than that, I don’t see why there’s some kind of debate going on.
by mcgee48c on Aug 26, 2008 4:28 PM CDT 0 recs
If you look specificly at his stuff...
He kinda reminds me of Ryan Drese in terms of how he just showed up outta nowhere pitching lights out. Here’s to hoping he doesn’t flake out the same way…
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on
Aug 26, 2008 4:53 PM CDT
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Spelling Nazi on self:
specifically*
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on
Aug 26, 2008 4:53 PM CDT
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Feldman's stuff
seems quite a bit better than what I remember of Drese.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on
Aug 26, 2008 6:17 PM CDT
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Feldman seems to have more than just a sinker
working for him. Also from what I remember of Drese, he didn’t have the velocity Feldman did but I could be wrong on that.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg1 on
Aug 26, 2008 6:56 PM CDT
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I think I was one of those advocating a Byrd-for-Murton swap
Looks like I was wrong.
Byrd has performed well beyond expectations, but at 31, I think this might well be his career year. Of course, I said that about DeRosa and GMJ, so there’s a 50/50 chance :).
Wonder if Murton might have been a PED-product. Or he could just have completely lost it.
Anyways, if we can get a goodly return for Byrd, I’m still for it!
But hopefully, we won’t Tejeda it and trade for someone else who only “looks good.”
R
by Requiem on Aug 26, 2008 5:57 PM CDT 0 recs
Marlon Byrd
What the hell.
Seriously?
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by Chase Irwin on Aug 26, 2008 8:25 PM CDT 0 recs








