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So Neyer has another post up about AAAA players: Other possible '4-A' players  I'll cut and paste some of the article at the end. 

Needless to  say before the article the following thought has popped into my head and many other Ranger fans over the years.

So is it just luck or just perception that the Rangers seem to be abandoning more than their share of high level minors players that end up being productive or better MLBers or is it reality?

Ludwick, Cruz, A. Gonzalez, C. Young, Laird, Botts, D. Davis, etc.  I'm sure y'all could add many names to this list.

Now I don't mean to start an argument over who should be on the list.  And yes, a lot of these players are very different from each other, but they all are guys who performed well in the upper minors even early majors for the Rangers who the Rangers seem to have misevaluated.

The most damning thing to me about this is that the Rangers have not had the kind of talent in the majors while this has gone on to make it difficult for these guys to get the proper look.  It'd be one thing if we were the Red Sox and just had no room for these guys, but obviously we haven't really had any serious road blocks in place.

So is it perception or reality that the Rangers have fared worse than most ML teams in this regard.  If they have fared worse, have they fared worse more than what random luck would predict?

From Neyer:

In response to Monday's post about Ryan Ludwick and his realness, a reader asks, "Any current '4-A' players you think fans should watch out for in the future?"

... And by the way, "4-A" belongs in quotes because I'm not entirely convinced that 4-A players actually exist. ... What I'm saying is that if you find a player who puts together a run of good Triple-A seasons, the only reasons he's not in the majors is usually bad management or bad luck.

Ryan Ludwick was one of those guys. ...

I'm convinced that Nelson Cruz is one of those guys, too. ...this season, he hit ... .342/.429/.695. ...he's been raking Double- and Triple-A pitchers since 2004. But in 442 plate appearances in the majors (before Monday night), Cruz hasn't hit for average. So, everybody sort of gave up on him.

Are there more guys like this [from the Rangers than any other team, my insert obviously]?

It's long been a truism among nerds like me that, at any one moment, there's plenty of free talent available.

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4A players

you have to remember that the Rangers offense has been very, very strong the past decade or so. Other than a few recent years with no outfielders, the reason that many of those guys were held back were because there was no room for them in Arlington. Adrian Gonzalez was traded because Teixeira was at first and didn’t want to move. Laird was benched because we had a decent offensive catcher in Popup Barajas.

As for Cruz and Botts, they were quite simply BAD PLAYERS at the major league level. What should Texas do, keep playing all their guys at the ML level if they have good AAA numbers? Some guys can’t make that last jump, and every indication was that Botts is one of those guys.

Now, as for Davis and Ludwick, I don’t know what to say – Buck probably just didn’t like them. And I doubt anyone ever thought Chris Young was a 4-A player, it was just a stupid trade.

by JBImaknee on Aug 26, 2008 11:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ludwick

If I recall, he was considered a decent prospect, but very injury prone during his time with the org. And it is not like he blossomed the second he left the org. After 3 middling years on the Cleveland/Buffalo shuttle, he spent all of 2006 in Toledo (Det’s AAA team) with an OPS 100 points lower than it currently is this season. I have been critical of this org for letting the wrong players slip through the cracks, but Ludwick is not one of them.

Interestingly, look at Ludwick’s numbers in 07 and compare them to David Murphy’s this year. Very similar. You never know when a player will make a jump, but ultimately they almost always revert back to their career norms.

Ludwick’s career stats.

by clark on Aug 26, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm reminded

of some of the wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth when Scott Podsednik ( http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/podsesc01.shtml ) had his breakout year.

What's the secret to a long life? "I masturbate a lot"-Ernest Borgnine. http://www.bestweekever.tv/2008/08/14/icymi-ernest-borgnine-reveals-his-secret-for-everlasting-youth/#onepage

by DJCahill on Aug 26, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why are Laird, A-Gon, and Young

on that list. None of those 3 were ever considered AAAA players. Laird was the team’s starting catcher last year and this year. He hasn’t been hitting as well as he did in 04 or 06, but his production as a catcher in each year but 07 has been very good. Young was never thought to be a AAAA player at all, the Rangers just believed that he had a limited ceiling (and rightfully so). A-Gon simply didn’t have a position here and were dumb to think that they had a DH good enough to not let A-Gon be the DH and I assume they also felt like they wouldn’t be getting good enough value from him if he was only used as a DH. Stupid move, but he wasn’t a AAAA player. Additionally, none of these guys you’ve mentioned have been in the minors until their mid-late 20s which is generally the age a player is considered a 4A player.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 26, 2008 2:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That whole "you cant move an All Star" thing

was just dumb, especially when Teixeira was pretty much not saying anything about re-signing here.

They should have just pushed Teixeira to the OF and been done with it. He had already said he’d move to the OF for Delgado.

What's the secret to a long life? "I masturbate a lot"-Ernest Borgnine. http://www.bestweekever.tv/2008/08/14/icymi-ernest-borgnine-reveals-his-secret-for-everlasting-youth/#onepage

by DJCahill on Aug 26, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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