Sickels - Where Did This Guy (Holland) Come From?

by willamos2 on Aug 27, 2008 11:38 AM CDT Comment 27 comments

Pretty good article on everyone's favorite prospect (at least...these days).

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/8/27/602324/where-did-this-guy-come-fr

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Holland is a Grade B+ prospect at a minimum right now and perhaps an A-. If he stays healthy, he could be an excellent pitcher.

wow VERY high praise

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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

A grades

So with Holland perhaps being an A- and feliz definitely being an A- and Smoak I would assume being an A- would we be the only team with 3 A prospects?

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by bigsteve on Aug 27, 2008 12:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I would think so

The A’s could challenge, and the Giants could as well with their two stud arms and that 1B.

by clark on Aug 27, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Personally, I don’t see Smoak as an A- player (on Sickles scale). He’s a great prospect, but lets not forget that he was probably the 3rd or 4th best college hitter in the draft last year. Sickles hands out only a few dozen A’s or A-‘s – I don’t think he’d automatically give one to Smoak at this point.

by JBImaknee on Aug 27, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

Smoak gets a B+, I’d imagine.

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by willamos2 on Aug 27, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

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by hightowersmith on Aug 27, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i dont think posey is an a- prospect but then again i didnt think teagarden was either…

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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He may not be

But Posey will probably rank as the highest rated 2008 draft prospect. He was the best college hitter last season, and plays a premium position. Whatever he is, I think Smoak is one grade lower.

by JBImaknee on Aug 27, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

they do have a ton of SP at the middle to upper levels

the difference is that a lot of our arms are in the low to middle levels lol

but who are their position prospects/guys?
gonzalez?
donaldson?
cardenas?
c carter? (up and down season)

i tinnk we have the edge in position players…
teagarden
maxram
smoak
davis? (probably not included on minor league rankings)
JMJ (interesting to see where he is rated this offseason)
DREW MEYER!!!

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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Our edge in position players

is far, far greater than their edge in pitching…

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by hinduplaya on Aug 27, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Possible A- prospects from Sickels

I would agree that Feliz is likely an A- and that Holland has a shot at the same grade. Two other Ranger minor leaguers who are candidates for an A- are Andrus and MaxRam.

Sickels rated Andrus a B+ in his 2008 book based largely on projection and a good 2 month run with the bat in the Cal League and AFL. All things considered, Andrus has had an outstanding year in AA with a combination of excellent on-base skills (nearly 360 OBP), base-running (50+ steals), and defense. Sickels would be justified in bumping Andrus up a grade to A-.

MaxRam received a B in the 2008 book based on his excellent bat (300/400/500) and questionable glove. MaxRam’s offensive numbers in 2008 have been staggering (370/450/600+) and he is beginning to quell concerns about his ability to provide serviceable defense behind the dish. Max’s offensive output should bump him to at least a B+. If Sickels believes that his catching has a chance to be slightly below average in the majors, then an A- should result.

by spurdynasty on Aug 27, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

holland

he starts in frisco tomorrow, and im really torn here…. holland on thursday or feliz on friday!?
tough choice trying to decide which game to see

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by rentz on Aug 27, 2008 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

both?

if your in DFW?

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by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fridays game is on Ch.21

if you live in DFW

by Kinslerhomer on Aug 27, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Friday

I’m quite sure that I will be out there Friday to watch Senor Happy pitch.

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by hillcrest on Aug 27, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

...the guy that doesn't have a pitch count.

by oc on Aug 28, 2008 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that was my thought

if i went friday i’d leave as soon as feliz was done, which could be no more than a few innings

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by rentz on Aug 28, 2008 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Go ye over there

and post comments. It looks pathetic with only 3 so far.

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by t ball on Aug 27, 2008 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

people generally only post

to voice differing opinions. I think the Rangers masses largely agree (or want to agree) with Sickels’ largely positive and optimistic eval.

by clark on Aug 27, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

besides

all this will inevitably happen is a post war between Rangers and A’s farm junkies about who has the stronger farm, and frankly, we as Rangers fans usually lose that battle.

by clark on Aug 27, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ouch

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by chrisR on Aug 27, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Meh

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by slc ranger on Aug 27, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The A's

are easily in the top handful of systems.

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by t ball on Aug 27, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are the Rangers in that group of 5

Will the rise of Holland and Feliz offset the slight decrease in value of Andrus (doubt he makes it as the BA’s 19th best prospect next year) and the graduation of Davis to the major leagues?

by chrisR on Aug 27, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rangers...

easily in the top 5 imo. The system is just loaded. I don’t think Andrus will drop as far as you think and there is plenty of other talent to keep them in the top 5.

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by slc ranger on Aug 27, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs