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Pirates, Alvarez, and Boras

Man things are getting really ugly.  I'm surprised it hasn't been talked about on LSB yet.

Here's the article on mlbtraderumors.com

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/08/drama-over-pedr.html

Here's a paste of an article from a blogger within the article.

Full press release here. Absolutely beautiful work by the Pirates front office and PR staff.

"At the Pirates' request, the Office of the Commissioner today placed Pedro Alvarez on Major League Baseball's Restricted List. The Pirates were forced to request that Pedro be placed on the Restricted List because we were informed by his agent, Scott Boras, that Pedro will not sign the contract to which he agreed on August 15. Boras further informed us that Pedro will not report to the Club unless we renegotiate his contract and agree to pay him more than the $6 million signing bonus to which he agreed.

"The Major League Rules provide that a player who refuses to sign a Uniform Player Contract to which he has agreed and report to the signing Club shall, upon a report of the signing Club, be placed on the Restricted List until he signs a contract reflecting the terms to which he has agreed. Such a player may not sign a contract with or play for any other Club. While demanding that we renegotiate his contract and pay Pedro more than the $6 million signing bonus to which Pedro agreed, Mr. Boras has contended that the contract we reached with Pedro was consummated after the Aug. 15 deadline. This claim was not raised on the evening of the 15th when we informed Mr. Boras that Major League Baseball had confirmed that the contract was submitted in a timely fashion. Mr. Boras asserted this claim several days later, after all of the draft signings had become publicized.

"The Pirates are confident that the contract reached with Pedro Alvarez was agreed to and submitted to Major League Baseball in a timely fashion and properly accepted by Major League Baseball. In fact, the contract between the Kansas City Royals and Eric Hosmer, another Boras client, was submitted to the Office of the Commissioner after our contract with Pedro was submitted. Mr. Boras is apparently satisfied with the $6 million bonus that he secured for Mr. Hosmer and has not challenged the validity of that contract. Mr. Boras has been informed that if he pursues a claim that our contract with Pedro was not timely he puts Eric Hosmer's contract with Kansas City in jeopardy.

"The Pirates made several attempts to commence negotiations immediately following the draft and were willing and ready to agree to pay Pedro a $6 million signing bonus from the very outset. Predictably, however, Mr. Boras refused to engage in any negotiations at all until shortly before the August 15 deadline and even then an agreement was reached only after Pedro took control of the negotiations.

"Regrettably, we are not surprised that Mr. Boras would attempt to raise a meritless legal claim in an effort to compel us to renegotiate Pedro's contract to one more to his liking. We are, however, disappointed that Pedro would allow his agent to pursue this claim on his behalf. Pedro showed tremendous fortitude and independent thinking when he agreed to his contract on August 15.

"The Office of the Commissioner has assured us that we have a valid contract with Pedro and that it will vigorously defend any claim to the contrary. Despite our disappointment, we continue to believe in Pedro Alvarez the person and the baseball player and remain excited to add Pedro to our system. We will sit down with Pedro and his family as soon as Mr. Boras' claim is rejected to chart a new and much more productive start to Pedro's career with the Pittsburgh Pirates."

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Boras

This guy just doesn’t know how to avoid coming off as an asshole. He is ARod to the nth degree.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Aug 27, 2008 2:11 PM CDT   0 recs

BUT

he is damn good at his job…

getting the most money for his client.

douchebag or not.

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 2:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

im not sure he's good at his job though

MLB will run him out of the game if he doesnt clean up his act and then how good a job has he done?

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Aug 27, 2008 4:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

IMO his job is to get the most money for his client…seems like he does that well to me

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

True for FA

But for a draft pick getting the most money isn’t always the best long-term strategy. Take Matt Harrington for instance… I’m sure he wishes he would’ve taken the first offer he got rather than ending up as a grocer at a 7-11.

Even when you talk about the high end, very low-risk guys (like Alvarez or Smoak for that matter) A lot of them I personally believe would’ve fared better if they would have taken a couple of 100k’s less but signed right away. This way they could acclimate themselves to the minors faster and end up getting to the major leagues faster – thereby starting their service time quicker… and possibly reaching arbitration and FA a year quicker.

Considering he’d have to go back in the draft if his contract is voided Alvarez will lose a whole season if Boras gets his way. I don’t care how good of an agent Boras is, there’s no way he’d be able to make up as much money in a new contract as prolonging Alvarez’s pre-arbitration years an extra year will cost Alvarez. No way.

I just don’t see how this can be in the best interests of Alvarez.

by TRanger on Aug 27, 2008 10:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

G'agree 100%

The time value of money needs to be considered here also.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Aug 27, 2008 10:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But for a draft pick getting the most money isn’t always the best long-term strategy. Take Matt Harrington for instance… I’m sure he wishes he would’ve taken the first offer he got rather than ending up as a grocer at a 7-11.

harrington was an idiot. he made his choice to go after “more money” all 30424 times he had the chance and look where it got him…

I don’t care how good of an agent Boras is, there’s no way he’d be able to make up as much money
in a new contract as prolonging Alvarez’s pre-arbitration years an extra year will cost Alvarez. No way.

to me the reason the draft/signing bonus is such a HUGE deal is because there is a LARGE amount of draftees who flame out and never make it to the bigs – for them this is their (one) shot at a payday.

there are VERY few guys who are guaranteed to be solid MLB players right out of the draft. these days everyone plays some at the minor league level (lincecum is a great example of this – look at his minor league stats)

Considering he’d have to go back in the draft if his contract is voided Alvarez will lose a whole season if Boras gets his way

alvarez was hurt this year (hamate bone) and did not play as good as he did his first two years IIRC. he may get more money next year (more than strausburg? probably not) but this is a good point

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 28, 2008 7:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So 6M isn't enough?

I understand if it was like 1M and trying to get more. If 6M was on the table from the beginning, you should sign it and get your ass to the minors as fast as possible to move up each level quicker.

Seriously, you talk about how a player is most likely a bust and wants to cash in on a huge payday (which is true) but cmon, 6M? That’s not a big enough payday if you become a bust? He should’ve signed the 6M as soon as Beckham signed his contract if that was on the table.

by Coolbean04 on Aug 28, 2008 8:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Senior
to me the reason the draft/signing bonus is such a HUGE deal is because there is a LARGE amount of draftees who flame out and never make it to the bigs – for them this is their (one) shot at a payday.

there are VERY few guys who are guaranteed to be solid MLB players right out of the draft. these days everyone plays some at the minor league level (lincecum is a great example of this – look at his minor league stats)

Ok you do have a point, but I will definitely say that I don’t see much evidence that going back to college as a senior is a very good idea if you want to increase your signing bonus. If he fails to get what he wants as a senior what can he do now? Play for an independent league against inferior competition… and get another year older in the process. Well that’ll make his offer even worse the next go around. He just doesn’t have much leverage as a senior, so if you’re already a great prospect that got offered a lot of money, why take the unnecessary gamble just to attempt to squeeze more money. If the gamble doesn’t work out and the next draft comes around and you get offered a similar amount as the year before then you just wasted a year of your career without anything to show for it.

Does anybody have a list of players that actually got a better draft bonus as a senior than they were offered as a junior? I can’t imagine it’d be a huge list… and the ones that it did happen to where probably players that just didn’t get drafted high at all the first time. Off the top of my head I can think of Hochevar that fits in the same situation as Alvarez would be… but I can’t imagine there were many that were already top prospects who really got a MUCH better deal that would offset the year of developmental time they lost.

I completely agree with your thoughts in regards to high schoolers and community college prospects as they have all the leverage and should not sign unless they are absolutely happy. I just don’t think this applies to college juniors.

by TRanger on Aug 28, 2008 8:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i wonder if hosmer gets cought up in this too...

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 27, 2008 2:11 PM CDT   0 recs

Actually,

it has been talked about a little, fanshot below.

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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Aug 27, 2008 2:20 PM CDT   0 recs

can some1 explain what pedro has to gain from this?

they had to know this would happen. and now he is tied to a team. the league recognizes his contract and any attempt to change that threatens another boras client who signed for the same amount?

please explain how there is any possible gain from this action im lost.

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Aug 27, 2008 7:26 PM CDT   0 recs

Nothing

But I seriously doubt Pedro is orchestrating all this either. Pedro went ahead of Hosmer right? So Pedro agrees to a 6 mil bonus and then 15 min later Hosmer agrees to the same bonus. Boras probably went to Pedro and said “Hey this guy drafted after you and Posey both got the same or more than you. Im gonna file some papers and get this cleared up”

Teams can’t just negotiate directly with the player if they have an agent. They have to go through the agent. As the press release sounds the Pirates are basically saying “we know pedro is a good guy and wouldn’t be doing this without Boras”. Im sure Pedro just wants to get to playing and get closer to the big leagues. But his agent is being a douche-galore and is potentially really fucking up his career.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 27, 2008 7:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pedro

he may not be orchestrating it, but Boras works for him, not the other way around. If Pedro wanted to be a Pirate right now, all he would have to do is tell Boras to F off and report to his team. There are reports that Mike Moustakas signed against Boras’ wishes last year, so it is not unheard of for a draftee to go around Boras. Since Alvarez is the boss, I blame him just as much as I blame Boras. If he wants to play, he should be a man and honor the contract he agreed to.

by uthornfan on Aug 28, 2008 12:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

All of Boras’ clients should be on the same team, based in the Caymans where they do their banking. They should only play home games, because they don’t like to travel. And if they ever run short on pitchers in extra innings, they have the option of calling the game a tie and just going home.

"The path you choose, you also choose its destination..."

by pro82 on Aug 27, 2008 8:28 PM CDT   0 recs

A quote on the original link...

…sorry I left this off the above post.

"The path you choose, you also choose its destination..."

by pro82 on Aug 27, 2008 8:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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