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I am really surprised that so many people care so much about the game presentation for the Rangers. Go to a Mavs game with their overstimulating seizure inducing crap and then tell me you want more.

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by DaheelzCM on Aug 27, 2008 2:51 PM CDT   0 recs

Yep

Hear that really often, comparisons to the KC scoreboard etc. I get the entertainment value, but not ahead of putting good players on the field.

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by Ed Coffin on Aug 27, 2008 3:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't buy that argument.

Just looking at Ranger payroll versus other teams, it looks like they could sign pretty much most FAs they wanted, and plunk down for a High Def display, rather than their current embarassment of a display.

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by DJCahill on Aug 27, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It isn't an argument.

Just pointing out that I really don’t care about upgraded jumbotrons. didn’t mean to imply the expense was either/or. Attending games, the play on the field is sufficient.

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by Ed Coffin on Aug 27, 2008 4:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I dont think updating the videoboard has anything to do with the team on the field

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Aug 27, 2008 4:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought you were in agreement

with Evan that the $10 million for a Jumbotron was $10 million we wouldn’t see in players. If we were carrying a $90 million payroll year to year, I might buy it.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Aug 27, 2008 4:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Heh, no.

It was an agreement/reply to DaheelzCM when Chris made his point about fancy scoreboards. Thought that using reply made it clear. On payroll, I don’t think $10 million is either a hurdle or deal breaker if the ‘player specific’ guideline is in effect.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Aug 27, 2008 4:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Second Jumbotron

I would like to see them invest in a second jumbotron so that you could see it from home run porch. That’s the real downside to sitting in the right field seats.

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by DerekSTheRed on Aug 27, 2008 4:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

damn Grant

He is really pushing the “trade Elvis” rhetoric.

I realize that significant talent is going to depart if starting pitching is brought in, but I can think of other assets that probably have a higher trade value right now, and would be much easier to replace than Andrus. In fact of all the position player prospects, Elvis is probably the closest to untouchable in my mind.

Chris Davis, for one, would seem to make a much better trade chip.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Aug 27, 2008 3:19 PM CDT   0 recs

Evan loves him some MY...

…so getting rid of Elvis before he’s ML-ready will keep that plan of moving FOTF off of SS on the backburner.

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by Chad Crudup on Aug 27, 2008 3:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Chris Davis = I agree

His value is absolutely nutty huge right now. It’d be a near miracle for him to have a better sophomore year than this season has been.

I like the guy, and its always good to have long-term spots filled by local boys instead of guys aching to return home (Teixeira), but sometimes you have to trade guys like Davis to bring the arms back to Texas. He’s our best trade chip. You have to consider it.

by JBImaknee on Aug 27, 2008 5:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I mean, yeah...

if you’re talking about acquiring Kershaw, fine. Lincecum, great. David Price, dandy. But if you’re not getting a sure thing back, I don’t want any part of a Chris Davis trade.

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by Walter Sobchak on Aug 27, 2008 5:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I am not talking about trading for Boof Bosner

Obviously Chris Davis only gets traded for a premium pitcher. My argument is that Chris Davis happens to be peaking in value at just the right time for texas

Don’t you think that the Giants would like to have Davis in their lineup? Say they sign Sabathia this offseason – you think they may consider a Cain for Davis, or Lincecum for Davis + some others? Of course they consider it. They may say no, but they’ll listen about Davis longer than they’ll listen to just about anyone else.

by JBImaknee on Aug 27, 2008 6:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

do you think he hates Andrus

as much as he hates CJ? I wonder what Elvis did to him…

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by Walter Sobchak on Aug 27, 2008 5:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm still at a loss as to what makes Andrus untouchable

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by Brian Thomas on Aug 27, 2008 6:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Watching MY play defense...

is what does it for me.

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by slc ranger on Aug 27, 2008 6:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he's the only player in the entire system

that projects as an above average SS. And if you don’t have a SS, acquiring one is almost as expensive as acquiring a front of the rotation pitcher.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Aug 27, 2008 6:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and

probably one of only a half dozen or so in all of the minors.

Also, if you want to use Elvis to acquire pitching, you’d have to add some significant pieces to go along with him, because he isn’t “ML proven”.

I think you could get a damn fine SP for Davis. To get the same pitcher another way I think you’d have to package something like Andrus, Hurley, and Kiker.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Aug 27, 2008 6:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well that would be a bad idea

I’ve read that a few times here. Putting Hurley and Kiker in a deal to add pitching? That makes zero sense. That’s like adding Kinsler and Maximus in a deal to acquire hitting.

To answer your initial response:

- I disagree that adding a frontline SS is almost as difficult as acquiring a frontline pitcher, unless you and I have very different definitions of the word almost. I’d say it is more along the lines of securing an above average catcher.

- I think there is a good argument to be made that Vallejo may end up Andrus’s equal, offensively and defensively.

- We also have Lemon and Duran and FOFTFFFTF. The cupboard is far from being barren.

Here’s my trade proposal: Andrus, Borbon, pick Laird or Salts, and another mid-level fella or two. That ought to bring alot, wouldn’t mortgage any near ready hurlers, and still leave the big league club essentially intact.

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by Brian Thomas on Aug 27, 2008 8:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

frontline SS

I can think of several frontline SP that have been dealt in the last couple seasons, drawing a blank on frontline SS – they typically just aren’t traded.

I don’t think Lemon, Duran, Vallejo etc will be ML shortstops, so I guess we disagree there.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Aug 27, 2008 9:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hanley

but he was traded for a frontline SP. I guess that sorta proves your point. Teams just don’t really trade top quality SS.

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by Dirk Diggler on Aug 27, 2008 11:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well put

Davis is easier to replace in that sense.

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by t ball on Aug 27, 2008 6:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He is...

but I’d really like to see Davis stay a Ranger. I think the guy has 40 HR a year/middle of the order potential. That said if you can get a young ace for him you have to do it, but I wouldn’t give up much more with him to get that young ace.

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by slc ranger on Aug 27, 2008 6:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

if Andrus becomes Renteria

which seems like the “appropriate” comparison these days, and Davis goes on to average 30+ hr, 100+ RBI while hitting and getting on base at a good rate and providing at least average defense at 1B, I’d have to be damn sure Smoak’s going to be successful before trading Davis away. the problem is, Andrus could just as well flop in the majors as he could succeed, and Davis has already done nothing but succeed.

"So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know... "

by Walter Sobchak on Aug 28, 2008 8:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Already succeeded

the only thing about my post that gives me pause. But it is much easier to find a good hitting first baseman than a good SS. I think the Rangers will keep both unless the return is stunning. There is enough depth in the system that they can do that. Start with the catchers and add to one of them before you think about dealing either Davis or Andrus.

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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Aug 28, 2008 9:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What are your thoughts on including Saint SlapnScurry in a pitching deal?

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by Brian Thomas on Aug 28, 2008 10:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Uh,

what? Who? I don’t trade saints unless they bring back archangels.

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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Aug 29, 2008 12:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think any position prospects are untouchable

We’ve learned three things about the Rangers in 2008. 1> They can’t pitch at all. 2> They can hit very very well, 3> they don’t field very well. It only makes sense to boost #1 by dealing from #2.

Ideally you can improve #3 at the same time though – which means that I prefer to trade our offensive prospects (Davis, Salty, MaxRam) before our defensive prospects (Teagarden and Andrus). But I trade defense for pitching any day.

by JBImaknee on Aug 27, 2008 6:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

your fielding analysis...

that must be solely based on the “captain” of the defense? I see overall above average defense when taking into account Davis, the platoon we threw in at 3rd, the entire outfield and Laird plus the idea of Teagarden behind the plate. so we’re weak up the middle due to Young’s range and Kinsler’s error-prone ways. I personally still think Kinsler’s got some good defense in him. so basically the only weakness in our defense is at SS…is it a considerable weakness? I’m not so sure about that. I’d like to see some stats on how our defensive inefficiencies have cost us runs and games compared to last year and compared to the rest of the league…

"So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know... "

by Walter Sobchak on Aug 28, 2008 8:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think their fielding is fairly weak

across the board. A good SS and CF would help a ton though, because then MY and Hamilton go from average to below, to probably plus defensively at 3B and COF.

Just to ballpark estimate, the DIP% of the Rangers is 91, which means their DIPS ERA is 91 of their ERA. Had the Rangers allowed 91% of the runs they have allowed, they’d have allowed 731 runs rather than 803 Runs. Their Pythag currently is 62-72, with 731 runs it would be 68-66.

So as a rough, ballpark estimate, it appears their defense costs them around 6 games so far this year versus an average defense.

Obviously, all these numbers are fairly flimsy and not definitive, but I think it points out about the scale of what our defense is costing us.

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by DJCahill on Aug 28, 2008 9:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

never understood

how pitching was somehow exempt from the overload principle. we’d train our pitchers to max out at 90 pitches and then expect more come game time? meanwhile it appears feliz is being groomed as a 60 pitch bullpen long man. wonder if ryan will have the pitchers throw BP from the mound.

by SteveP on Aug 27, 2008 3:42 PM CDT   0 recs

You know...

when I was a kid, we threw 200 pitches a game, twice on Sunday, and the balls were made of lead. AND WE LIKED IT.

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by benmor78 on Aug 27, 2008 4:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Scoreboard

Whenever I go to RBiA with someone who’s never been, they ALWAYS make a comment about how dinky the “jumbotron” is and out-of-date the scoreboard features seem.

by Randy Richardson on Aug 27, 2008 5:40 PM CDT   0 recs

Out of Date?

Randy,
I would be interested to see what people would like to see us change.
First problem, use to be that I could tell sponsors what features we have to offer…now the sponsors tell us what they would like to do…and then when you get sponsors with 3 year or longer contracts, you get much of the same….there are a lot of things that I would like to change, but sponsors have a say in what we do now.
As far as being out of date…we do some things that other clubs don’t do….a lot of live stuff, wiffle ball,etc…..in the perfect world I would like to have more videos that showcase the players….but I am so strapped with sponsor committments, I don’t have the availability to do that
I have been to most ballparks over the last several years and we are doing pretty much the same that other parks do…..farm report, history stuff, a race, kiss cam, but I am always open to suggestions.
We have to be a little different because our video board is very small and is 100 feet up in the air…..
We have a very difficult scoreboard situation……….we are working and planning to correct that….but the baseball comes first……
The Mets were here about a month ago and were very complimentary of what we do………..
We only have 1 minute and 40 seconds between innings, not much time when you are trying to sell tickets and make sponsors happy……..
But I would like to do more features on the players……….
As always, any suggestions, feel free to email me at cmorgan@texasrangers.com or call me at 817 273-5006
Most times when teams get new scoreboards, the get a new ballpark to go with it……in Kansas City’s case, the county owns the ballpark and they get money from the county to make improvements…..any money to improve our ballpark, new scoreboards, roof, would have to come out of the owner’s bank account.
Always appreciate everybody’s posts….thanks
Chuck Morgan

by chuckranger83 on Aug 27, 2008 11:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it's safe to say

he wasn’t really commenting on your in-game presentation so much…meaning the videos during the breaks.

The problem is the jumbotron just isn’t impressive anymore. It was when the ballpark was built, but it’s been passed up by superior technology.

The thing that bugs me the most is the OF having panels that are 2 different colors. It’s just ugly, and makes it look kinda bush league. I can deal w/ the jumbotron because when I go, it’s for the baseball, not the videos…but then again I’m more hardcore than your typical casual fan that fills most seats at a Rangers game.

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by Dirk Diggler on Aug 27, 2008 11:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe about half the displays in baseball

are high def. The jumbotron definitely appears dated after going to the newer ballparks, or the retrofitted ballparks like KC.

Right now, believe it or not, RBiA is the 14th oldest baseball park. Next year it will be the 12th oldest. In 2011 it will be one of the 10 oldest.

Whether you like it or not, RBiA will be compared to other ballparks. That worked in its favor a decade ago, I’m not sure it does anymore with all the great new ballparks that have been built.

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by DJCahill on Aug 28, 2008 8:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

perfect.

so let’s get this team to finally start churning out top quality pitchers, start winning some pennants and build another new stadium – this time in downtown Dallas.

"So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know... "

by Walter Sobchak on Aug 28, 2008 9:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe by

2024 when the lease expires, according to another poster.

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by DJCahill on Aug 28, 2008 9:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We Know

I have mentioned this in posts before, but the original idea that I gave to Tom Schieffer and others during planning and design meetings for the ballpark, had the main scoreboard system right behind the leftfield bleachers, which would have been visible by the majority of the ballpark, including home run porch. Similar in design to old Sportsman’s Park in St. Louis, to fit the retro design of the ballpark, but with a video board right in the middle…..but when it was decided to add stories on to the office building……the scoreboard was sent to the top of home run porch, and made a little smalller due to the weight on the roof…….at one time, I had a heard a rumor that the architect didn’t want any electronic scoreboards in the ballpark, including any video board….imagine if we were left with that today……I love the ballpark, but I know more than anybody that we need some changes…I have to deal with the complaints, comments, etc. everyday about the scoreboard situation at the ballpark…..we have a tough ballpark to get the crowd into the game…..1/3 of some of the best seats can’t see a replay or the main scoreboard…seats that are covered from the sun, but can’t see a replay…….the few replays that we get to show………..so I know what needs to be done. In some cases we have 1992 scoreboards being driven by 2008 technology, doesn’t always work right, especially when you are trying to automatically count pitches.

For the one season that I was in Kansas City, I was involved in the designs and renovation discussions of Kauffman Stadium. They were trying to get voters approval in Jackson County, Missouri, to approve money to renovate not only Kauffman Stadium, but also Arrowhead Stadium right next door. When the discussion came around to scoreboards, my reponse was to do something where fans would say “WOW! Look what the Royals did.”…….they did that with the largest scoreboard in baseball. But they did that and are doing some other things to update Kauffman Stadium…with some money from the owner, but the majority is coming out of the tax dollars of Jackson County….the sports authority up there rents the stadium to the teams and they have a situation where if one stadium gets something, the contract calls for the other stadium to get the same treatment.

Each year since I came back from Kansas City, I have given upper management proposals to change the scoreboard system, all of the proposals include everything that everyone here has suggested….HD screens, ribbons panels, up to date out of town scores…color video everywhere……I have one right now that is proposed that would absolutely blow everybody away in pro sports…..but these types of systems do not come cheap…..thats why I said in an earlier post, that most clubs that get new scoreboards either get a new ballpark or a city or county is required to make some upgrades…that is not the case here…….in our situation, the money has to come out of the owner’s pocket.

We go to other ballparks…..we know what we need to do……may not happen all at once, but we will get something that I think all of you will be very happy with and will improve your trip to the ballpark. I hope y’all know that this something that is very important to me…..

On where the ballpark is….Dallas had a chance in the early 1990’s…..there were 2 different groups pushing for a Farmer’s Market location or a Loop 12/I-30 location…..but in the end Arlington came up with the best deal for ownership at the time….I am sure that somewhere down the road, Dallas will get another chance…..but who knows how things will change in the next 15 years in the sports world….but it will probably again be who gives ownership the best deal for the location.

By the way, speaking of scoreboards….those of you expecting to see replays in the ballpark of a play being reviewed by the umpiring crew…..We still have to operate under the rules that at no time can we show a replay of any close play on the ballpark video boards….so, you have the possibility of a play being overturned by the umpires that our fans in the ballpark will not get to see….

As always, feel free to send me an email or call me at any time.

I appreciate all of you and your support of Texas Rangers Baseball.

Chuck Morgan

by chuckranger83 on Aug 28, 2008 10:48 AM CDT   0 recs

By the way, that replay policy

one of the dumbest policies in baseball, just like the blackout rules that keep me from watching Rangers games in Houston.

That policy never made a lick of sense to me, especially since other sports will happily show 10 replays of a close play from 10 angles.

I of course am not blaming you, I’ve been to almost every ballpark in the majors, and I see that stupid policy everywhere. It is ridiculous.

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by DJCahill on Aug 28, 2008 10:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Replays

DJ,

We want people to come to the ballparks to watch the games, but if Josh Hamilton makes a great catch, there is a possibility that we might not be able to show it, if it was a close play. And what is amazing, most of the time the umpire made the right call.
We showed a play recently that I felt like #1 was a play our fans should get to see, #2 was not a close play. I was turned into the league for showing a close play on the video board…ended up in my favor, but my opinion of what a close play is and what the umpire’s opinion of a close play are different.
As sports fans today, we are use to seeing replays…..I just wish we could show more replays, especially if a guy makes a great play.

Thanks

Chuck

by chuckranger83 on Aug 28, 2008 11:15 AM CDT   0 recs

Chuck

Who turned you in? Is it umpires who report this stuff or opposing managers?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 28, 2008 1:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Probably umpires

I suspect it was the old, strong Umpires union who started the nonsensical policy of no close replays.

This policy is probably a holdover from those old times.

Since the Umpires crushed their own union by overplaying their hand, the Office of the Commissioner should rip up this policy, and shove it down their throats like they shoved instant replay down their throat.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Aug 28, 2008 2:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

bigsteve

the umpires turn us in.

what happens, if we do something that the umpiring crew is not happy with, they will call me down to the umpires room after a game, we discuss the situation, maybe we look at a play and then they tell me what they are going to do.
recently, it is the difference of a opinion on what a close play/exciting play is………
i try to visit with the umpiring crew at the start of each series to let them know who talk to if there is a problem….
we have taken a couple of lumps, but in all of the occasions where we have a problem, it was us trying to show a great play by one of our players, not anything that would cause a manager or a player to argue with the umpire….

by chuckranger83 on Aug 28, 2008 2:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's still a silly policy

and one that the NBA NHL, and NFL don’t seem to have to deal with.

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by DJCahill on Aug 28, 2008 2:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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