Mariotti Quits Sun-Times.
Mariotti told the Chicago Tribune he decided to quit after covering the Olympics in Beijing because newspapers are in serious trouble, and he did not want to go down with the ship.
"I'm a competitor and I get the sense this marketplace doesn't compete," he said in the Tribune story. "Everyone is hanging on for dear life at both papers.
"To see what has happened in this business. … I don't want to go down with it."
Mariotti can be a complete jackass, but it is a dying business and newspapers are simply refusing to radically adapt to the internet.
http://cbs2chicago.com/sports/jay.mariotti.quits.2.803995.html
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i happen to like mariotti
when he’s on around the horn. i think he can be abrasive at times, but all in all, i think he’s a good columnist.
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by kevzta on Aug 27, 2008 2:51 PM CDT 0 recs
hes my fav of the usuals
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by knockoutking on
Aug 27, 2008 3:17 PM CDT
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i like woody paige the best
He doesn’t know what he’s talking about half the time, but I find that he provides good comedy.
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by hinduplaya on
Aug 27, 2008 3:51 PM CDT
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That whole show is a colossal dick punch
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on
Aug 27, 2008 5:59 PM CDT
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I think he is dead on.
In his analysis of the newspaper business.
Printing out a centralized newspaper, loading it on trucks, and shipping it all over a city seems like a silly way of doing business in the internet age. Moving truckloads of paper isn’t particularly efficient, and, way back in the day, I was a paperboy, and my brother was a distributor, so I have a decent feel for distribution. Free distribution of content over the internet and selling ads online is likely to be more profitable than selling ads in papers, and charging for the papers. Most of the cost subscribers pay gets eaten up by printing and distribution anyway, so I could see how free distribution could be as profitable.
I used to receive the Morning News and the Times Herald. Now I get all my news online, or through TV or radio.
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by DJCahill on Aug 27, 2008 2:56 PM CDT 0 recs
well
i think there is still a substantial segment of the population that will still prefer the newspaper to a computer screen but definitely not going to have longevity past the baby boomers. But who knows – maybe some new technology makes internet news more accessible to boomers
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by ab03 on
Aug 27, 2008 3:18 PM CDT
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I believe you are right
that some folks prefer paper, but it’s a declining market.
If any technology “saves” newspapers, it will be portable reader that lets you download a paper and hold it in your hands in foldable plastic or whatever. Ive seen prototypes, but I’m not sure if it will ever be affordable.
Since the business is about selling ads, I just think the survivors will get better at selling ads online, and the old paper and ink companies who can’t make money that way will die. Distributing paper and ink for current event stories, whether its newspaper or magazines, won’t ever be growth businesses again.
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by DJCahill on
Aug 27, 2008 3:41 PM CDT
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newspapers
watch the final season of the wire and it pretty much sums up the problem with newspapers. unwillingness to adapt and trying to “do more with less”
the quality of papers has gone down due to layoffs and buyouts because people dont want to subscribe to a newspaper when they can read it online for free.
personally i still get the paper version of the dallas news because i prefer it, i find articles there that id likely never end up finding buy using their horrible website. i also like to support my local paper by paying for what i use.
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by rentz on
Aug 27, 2008 3:23 PM CDT
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/books/27reading.html
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by hightowersmith on
Aug 27, 2008 3:25 PM CDT
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Mariotti.
I’m not going to comment at length on the future of newspapers, but I will say that to say that “newspapers are simply refusing to radically adapt to the Internet” is just incorrect.
Anyways, very interesting from Deadspin:
According to two reliable sources, Mariotti, just back from Beijing, wanted to write a column on Barack Obama. But it wasn’t Jay’s turn to write — it was Rick Telander’s — and Telander also wanted to write on Obama. And we know how Mariotti feels about Rick. Sun-Times says no, Jay, wait your turn….
…And so Mariotti, showing the maturity he’s famous for, calmly assessed the situation and figured he was not going to let it bother him. Just kidding! He threw a fit worthy of a three-year-old. Then this bit of greatness: Mariotti resigned, and then headed to the Sun-Times office to tape his Around the Horn segment, only to find that his security pass had been deactivated while the paper was deciding whether or not to accept the resignation. They finally accepted it.
If true, it pretty much validates everything I think about Mariotti.
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by ghtd36 on Aug 27, 2008 3:47 PM CDT 0 recs
What does Around the Horn do then?
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by Chase Irwin on
Aug 27, 2008 3:57 PM CDT
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he probably stays
blackistone did after he left the dmn
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by rentz on
Aug 27, 2008 4:01 PM CDT
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From what I understand...
…he’s going to continue doing it, but just do it in front of a generic background, much like after Woody Paige left the Denver Post and Kevin Blackistone left TDMN.
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by ghtd36 on
Aug 27, 2008 4:02 PM CDT
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Continue sucking?
That show is unwatchable.
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by DaheelzCM on
Aug 27, 2008 4:12 PM CDT
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well, hes in front of the same background as always today
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
by DSheppard on
Aug 27, 2008 4:34 PM CDT
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Newspapers
I don’t think they are doing anything to radically change their business model. They’re scared to death to do anything more than put their feet in the water. I’m painting with a broad brush, but newspaper websites are: poorly designed, not easily navigated, cluttered by pop-up ads, etc, etc. Seems to me that they view the site as something they are required to have, not something that they view as a way for customers to use the product.
by Randy Richardson on
Aug 27, 2008 4:54 PM CDT
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this is a reply to you but also to djcahill and ed coffin
As is usual, my time zone difference is a little disadvantage.
I live in Turkey, but my ’news touch" extends back to Texas—every morning I touch either the starlegram or the morning nothing just as though I still lived there.
Randy, I believe your assessment is exactly correct—I have watched the “printed gang” slowly and reluctantly “evolve”—they are better now than 5 years ago, but think of the people who are probably “going along” with the changes—and “managing” the changes—they are trying to protect their turf, and they are really fighting a losing battle. When I was back in Texas from 1999-2004 I never subscribed to a newspaper—even THEN—yes, I would often buy a Sunday newspaper for the ads, but…
My wife WAS doing the same here—no subscription but buying a Turkish Sunday newspaper—then I showed her the online ads she could see from Turkish papers online .. And oh by the way I look at three English language Turkish newspapers online(and we think we have freedom of the press in the US-these folks can sometimes be merciless…)
In summary-forget the personality—he is probably correct but is also intent on making his own splash-understand. Printed newspaper is about to be history—-If the business managers want to stay in business they need to really leap forward.
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by oldcatsfan on
Aug 28, 2008 1:56 AM CDT
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As someone who works in newspapers...
…trust me when I say that 80% of the focus is now online. The print product is reaching the point where it is simply as important as the Web site. That’s why there are so many journalists with blogs, videos, podcasts, etc. Granted, there are some newspapers who are reluctant to adapt, but the great majority of papers are making their move.
I’m not saying that newspapers are there. There’s still a lot of work to do for a lot of papers. But to say that they’re not radically changing their business model is just simply incorrect.
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by ghtd36 on
Aug 28, 2008 11:27 AM CDT
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great
i will continue to not read that paper.
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by gossamer on Aug 27, 2008 3:57 PM CDT 1 recs
Some portals
Have an early hand of newspaper content. Any lagging behind seems to be the fault of the newspaper itself. For instance, my customized yahoo page includes realtime subsection posting, with mouseover content segments, from the Fort Worth Star Telegram. I’m assuming the portal pays the paper for immediate content delivery, and advertisers pay the portal. In the past couple of days, I get virtually real time presentation of traffic, police cases, city info on any city in Tarrant County, and only need to click once to expand and article I may be interested in.
I haven’t had a printed newspaper subscription since 1993, and haven’t had one in my hands other than what may be lying around in a gate lounge at an airport since then, either. The supposed ‘subscriber demographic’ has never applied to me.
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by Ed Coffin on Aug 27, 2008 4:00 PM CDT 0 recs
But Ed, your peers aren't as savvy
My parents know how to connect to and browse the internet, but I don’t think they’ve put it together that they can actually get newspaper-like news from it. Or “view the ads” as my mother is so fond of.
I still think we’re about a generation away from the business being as dead as Beta.
by chief on
Aug 27, 2008 4:39 PM CDT
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That's true, chief
Using AdMuncher, popup blockers selectively set to show only what I want, and browser enhancements to prevent unwanted redirects, plus firewall settings that block particular ports, is as far beyond lots of my friends and classmates as calculating an orbit to survey Neptune. My brother and I benefitted from having to apply technology as it advanced, from the 60’s up to today, both in the military and as part of our post service careers.
Want a laugh? I’m a telephone Luddite. Only use talk, and have at times turned off voice message features. It’s the one area where I want to choose and control what I do and don’t do. No games, no internet access, no text service, no calendaring, no camera,, no video utilization. The menu shows eight feature groups, I use one. But I do use cell only, no land line.
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by Ed Coffin on
Aug 27, 2008 5:49 PM CDT
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If it makes you feel any better...
I’m 25, and I do the same thing. Admittedly, I use my phones for text messaging and e-mail as well, but I primarily use my phone as a phone. I hate that the cell phone companies equate “progress” to adding in mp3 players, absurd backgrounds, annoying ring-tones, 3D icons, and other useless garbage (I don’t include the camera-phone in this).
Granted, I understand the purpose in unifying portable devices, and I know that a lot of consumers love these features. I just wish that there were some way to customize my phone to leave out all the junk I don’t want. I really, really despise the user interfaces on pretty much every cell phone I’ve touched in my life.
Also, before anyone asks, I upgraded my phone because calls on my old phone would cut in and out.
by jwiscarson on
Aug 27, 2008 7:25 PM CDT
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Adding in an MP3 player is "garbage"?
Having such an awesome array of my music with me at all times has to be one of my favorite tech inventions of the past decade or so. I have my music with me wherever I go now. I don’t know how that’s not awesome.
The iPhone is pretty customizable, fwiw.
I swore I’d never pay for a cell phone, but I love this thing so damn hard. I honestly don’t remember what it was like before I got it. The horror.
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by thedirkatron on
Aug 27, 2008 8:16 PM CDT
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iphone
2g or 3g?
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by rentz on
Aug 27, 2008 8:19 PM CDT
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I just jailbroke my 3G
it’s pretty much the greatest thing ever
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by Dirk Diggler on
Aug 27, 2008 10:39 PM CDT
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3g
i think i may finally be ready to bite the bullet and get one. It will require switching to att but i’ve been waiting for an iphone for a long time.
my holdup was a) couldnt find them
then b) read about tons of problems.
but everyone i know with one has had 0 issues
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by rentz on
Aug 28, 2008 7:52 AM CDT
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really
speaking from experience, the software is slow and buggy. I dont’ remember the 2g having nearly the problems the 3g does (whether that’s firmware related, who knows). Anyway, you shoudl prepare yourself for screen lags and a need to reboot every few days.
just annoying to have to treat your phone like a computer.
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by ab03 on
Aug 28, 2008 2:21 PM CDT
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I don’t have to treat my computers like that, but i dont run windows :)
it does seem like they released the 3g iphone prematurely though, large bug fix expected in sept.
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by rentz on
Aug 28, 2008 2:31 PM CDT
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Hrm...
My point, and I really should’ve been more clear about this, is that the stuff goes on phones that are woefully underpowered for the task. My phone lags navigating through the menus. I tested out the mp3 player with the handful of junk that came with it. I had to press the controls several times before the phone recognized my commands. That isn’t really convenience.
Maybe it’s better on the iPhone with its increased storage (and processing power, I assume), but in addition to the above problems, my phone has dick for storage on it. Which means I’d get to by the super tiny SD cards, and a custom USB cable to transfer the songs from my computer to the SD card on my phone.
Anyway, as I said, I didn’t buy this phone for all those features. When I’m somewhere away from my computer (or my work laptop), I just listen to music on my iPod.
by jwiscarson on
Aug 27, 2008 10:31 PM CDT
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MP3 on the phone
Big deal, the sound sucks. I’m ok with being without music from the time I walk from my car to my house or office and quality speakers.
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by t ball on
Aug 27, 2008 11:21 PM CDT
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Huh? Speakers?
Are you talking about playing music using the phone as a speaker? Of course that’s crazy. It sounds turrible, like someone is playing the song for you over a phone call or something. I actually have a buddy who gets drunk and tries to play music for us using his phone as like a portable stereo and we all have to tell him to turn it the fuck off. I’d rather listen to nothing than a bunch of garbled static that sort of sounds like the new Rihanna single. (He’s gayer than hell and he loves Rihanna. Apparently Rihanna is huge with the gays…. Rihanna sucks.)
But I use headphones and the quality of the sound from my iPhone is certainly comparable to that of my iPod.
It comes in very handy if you find yourself having to wait somewhere. It’s amazing how much faster a long wait in a doctor’s office goes by if you can kick back and throw on some relaxing music. It’s also great because my car has an mp3 jack so I always have a way to play music in my car. Before I had to either leave my iPod in my car permanently or remember to lug it in and out with me whenever I’d go somewhere.
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by thedirkatron on
Aug 28, 2008 3:52 AM CDT
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I dislike headphones
which probably makes my post less nonsensical. I also dislike talking on the phone much. I use my cell sparingly and only for phone calls, play CDs in my car or at home. At the Dr.‘s office I read. Oddly, even though I’m a musician, I’ve come to value silence a lot and don’t listen to music 16 hours a day like I did in college.
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by t ball on
Aug 28, 2008 10:13 AM CDT
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I like headphones
I also dislike talking on the phone much. Short calls / texts will suffice. Play CDs in the car because stupid iTrip = fail (surely there is a better option for that now?) Blast at home from the computer, obviously. Dr.’s office — stare at the ceiling or pick my nose. I listen to music 16 hours a day, preferably, but I also value silence. MMM.
Silence sounds good.
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by Chase Irwin on
Aug 28, 2008 8:12 PM CDT
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I'm in kind of a unique situation with newspapers
Well, I don’t know about “unique” but I work at a twice-weekly community newspaper doing sports. Ours is the type of paper that isn’t competing with the internet. People look to me for pictures and stories on their kids on the high school football team or basketball team or whatever. People look to my paper for things like a story today on a barbecue fundraiser for a local guy with a rare form of pancreatic cancer. Also, there are various things for which a legal notice must be run (foreclosures, fictitious business name statements, etc.) that we’re the paper of record for.
Advertising is tighter for us like for the industry as a whole, but our subscription rate is holding steady instead of dropping, whereas the large local daily is facing shrinking subscription rates as well as cutbacks in ad sales and is trying to get employees to accept buyouts and early retirements in hopes of avoiding another round of layoffs.
I asked for a pay raise a few months ago as my rent expenses went up, but I was turned down. Now I’m trying to move into a much less expensive place, even though it quintuples my daily commute, in order to live within my means. I think my job is pretty secure here, as I’m the only sports guy and the local sports are important to the readers.
So large metro daily papers might be a sinking ship, as they are in direct competition with TV and the internet, but community newspapers are still alive.
by Inkara1 on Aug 27, 2008 4:51 PM CDT 0 recs
Safe for now
but they’ll all go digital eventually. That’s unfortunate, as most won’t have the necessary traffic to generate the revenue needed to continue to distribute a product that is of the same quality as what you produce today.
I’m an old burnout — I’ve been out of the industry for 10 years after spending time at all three DFW dailies: the Times Herald when it folded (I still have a DTH vending rack in my garage), jumped to the Morning News, then the Star-Telegram before running the sports sections for the three papers in the Rio Grande Valley.
Most here probably won’t agree with me, but I fear for the loss of the fourth estate on a local level. There are many talented people who are not journalists that cover local issues via blogs and other digital mediums. But generally speaking, these are part-timers who don’t have the appropriate time to invest in enterprise stories that need to be written.
There’s a lot of venom on this board for journalists and — particularly in sports writing — these dinosaurs often bring the scorn on themselves. But there is more to journalism than having a satisfactory distribution method and an audience who is willing to read one’s work. I’m afraid there may be a time when we face some moderately severe consequences when the local dailies can no longer afford to keep their place in the order of checks and balances.
BTW — don’t judge my journalistic abilities on my current writings; you lose a lot in 10 years.
by robert_d_wilfong on
Aug 27, 2008 11:12 PM CDT
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I did
and the Valley Morning Star and The Brownsville Herald.
by robert_d_wilfong on
Aug 28, 2008 8:57 AM CDT
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my family is from the Valley.
…at a young age, i noticed the DFW papers were vastly superior than The Monitor. it always seemed like they never had their own writers… they would just cut-and-paste articles from writers in other cities. obviously, the Valley isn’t the same kind of media market… but, hey i was a kid.
i always thought The Monitor’s front page banner was “prettier”, though.
by oc on
Aug 29, 2008 12:12 AM CDT
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I think
the local beat writers and the like still bring a lot to the table.
Commentators like Galloway who never actually go to the ballpark, and have not much more access to information than Newberg or Morris don’t do a lot for me though. If they are bringing me facts, I see some value, I just don’t really care about the opinions of some 60 year old drunk though.
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by DJCahill on
Aug 28, 2008 4:08 AM CDT
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New song for MTV...
“Internet killed the newspaper columnists”
Gotta keep up with the times.
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by slc ranger on Aug 27, 2008 6:08 PM CDT 0 recs
not so catchy
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