OT: McCain-Palin
by t ball on Aug 29, 2008 9:43 AM CDT
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All major news sources are now reporting that McCain has picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. Interesting choice, and I like it. She is probably more of a 'maverick' than McCain, so fits the outsider image that every politician craves.
I do find it interesting, though, that a campaign that is trying to paint Obama as too young and inexperienced would pick someone even younger and less experienced in foreign policy for the VP. Each campaign seems to have gone the shoring up a weakness route, with Obama choosing the older, more experienced Washington lifer, and McCain choosing a young woman (hi there, Hilary supporters!).
I don't know a whole lot about Palin so I'll be looking forward to her speech next week. Call me wierd, but I kind of like the conventions and the major speeches they feature. I thought the Dems put on a pretty good show this week and I'm looking forward to seeing how the GOP counters...
Keep it civil, folks.
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just saw the breaking news on tv, interesting indeed. they labeled her pretty much as an ultra conservative.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Which channel labeled her that way?
I don’t doubt it, since he might be using her to further placate the religious right, but the source is relevant.
5 kids, she doesn’t need foreign policy experience
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Foxnews.com listed her as fiscal conserative
Although history has taught us that those that were fiscal in the past don’t stay that way.
Myself I would have thought it would be Huckabee to shore the Religious right and southern voters but if Palin can do the same and bring some Hillary voters then it’s a great choice. Just wonder how she’ll fare against Biden.
you wish
As soon as it turns to foreign policy, Biden will smash her on live tv.
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by DerekSTheRed on Aug 29, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
and then she'll get all of the sympathy votes
and make Biden come across as an asshole.
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There's no crying in politics!!!!
but maybe you’re right. It worked for Hillary after all.
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by DerekSTheRed on Aug 29, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Hell, it worked for Bush in 2000.
Gore ripped his ass off in their first debate and the media buzz after the event was all about Gore being a bully and that W won because you really couldn’t expect a dumbass to look any better than he looked that night. I’m still amazed by that to this day.
Was that
the “biased media”? I thought they were all part of a left wing cabal?
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
i think the difference was that
Gore was condescending throughout the debate. Several times, he audibly sighed and rolled his eyes while Bush was speaking.
While he did win the debate, he came across looking like at an asshole based on his own actions moreso than how he made Bush look.
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I agree.
The media focussed more on the appearance of the candidates rather than the substance of their arguments. But even coming into the debate they were all about low expectations for Bush.
In retrospect, maybe they should have focussed a little more on the substance of the debate and a little less on the then golden child’s ability to look affable while speaking like a dumb shit.
Predictably long on glib bullshit ...
and short on substance.
Were you W’s debate coach or something?
nbc
said shes very conservative and has something like an 80% approval rating in alaska
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
5 kids
10 total people in Alaska. So 2 of the four people who aren’t in her family approve of her.
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 29, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Pro life
and shoring up the conservative right. Interesting that regardless of the outcome, we will have either a black president or female VP.
PS
i doubt all HRC supporters only supported her because of her abortion stance
also i bet a few would have voted for her simply because she was a woman (gasp!)
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
And gasp gasp gasp!
Some might even have supported her because they just plain thought she was the best candidate.
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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
God help us.
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
I'd do her
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
On that note
Was that Biden’s daughter to his left last night? Not too shabby….
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
Zing!
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I suppose that's smart
People like Sacha Millstone (Dem. delegate from Boulder who refused to vote for Obama because she was too big of a Hillary supporter) now have another opportunity to vote with their vaginas. Fantastic.
And now if McCain wins I’ll have another reason to burn Sacha Millstone’s house down.
Experience
Remember, Palin is running as the VP behind McCain’s experience. Obama shares Palin’s experience (lack thereof), but is running for the #1 spot. It will be tough for Obama’s camp to criticize her lack of experience. A little to akin to the pot calling the kettle black African American…
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Aug 29, 2008 9:55 AM CDT reply actions
Not true
Palin is not at the top of the ticket.
Also, she has been a mayor and is currently governor. This counts as experience, you know, actually running something. She’s not just listening to speaches and voting along party lines all day.
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Aug 29, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Considering
the Crypt-Keeper’s likely to kick the bucket at any time, electing anyone with Palin’s lack of experience would be reckless.
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wacko liberal talk...
is back.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
wacko fascist talk...
is back.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Thank you for proving my point...
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
dumb.
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by ivysafety39 on Aug 29, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Intelligent political dialogue...
…still in hiding.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 29, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
So...
if voting for anyone lacking experience is reckless, then you cannot vote Obama either. So I guess it is Libertarian time!
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
How so?
McCain has tons more experience than Obama. The fact that his VP choice has very little is pretty immaterial. Meanwhile, on the flip side, the leader of the Democratic ticket is the one with no experience and had to pick a VP to add gravitas to the ticket. Doesn’t that sound a lot like Bush/Cheney?
he has to believe that Palin has the experience
to be a good president, so if he says Obama doesn’t he looks like a hypocrite.
Like Bush/Cheney
Well, Biden at least hasn’t shot anyone yet.
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nor had cheney in 00
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
That we know of...
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I never thought he could
Bush had no experience and he’s struggled with foreign and domestic policy, what was McCain going to say “Learn from the past eight years what inexperience will lead to?”
Wow
An inspired choice. I don’t like Obama or McCain, but McCain made a much better VP selection. At least she isn’t another old, washed-up retread like Biden.
I still won’t vote for either of them though.
--Brian
you're so cool!
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Anybody else wish it was Michael Palin instead??
Now THAT would liven up the campaign.
as far as VP's go...
i guess.
i can’t help but thinking how used up that “piece” is after dropping five kids.
nothing screams “piece” like a has-been miss alaska runner up from 24 years ago. i keep thinking of that song, 1985.
by sam in so cal on Aug 29, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
funny
It’s like the complete inverse of Obama’s Biden pick. The young, less-experienced guy chooses the experienced insider, and the old, Washington guy chooses the young fresh face without much experience.
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i really like the selection
1. It placates the true conservative base.
2. It’s someone with ZERO ties to the Bush administration.
3. It gives McCain a buzz that he hasn’t really had.
4. It steals some of the thunder away from Obama’s speech.
5. It carves into some of the Hillary supporters that wanted a woman and are indifferent on abortion.
6. It’s not some old, white guy where the opposition could continue to harp on it.
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I think its a smart move
when all the “name” Republicans have huge negatives, you might as well get a lesser known one.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Yeah
Like with all politicians, the ones you don’t know anything about seem much less noxious.
--Brian
I'm not sure
That there’s a gigantic bloc of women who are indifferent on abortion.
by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
i don't know about "gigantic"
but my wife is one of them. She leans pro-choice, but she’s voted Republican mostly.
I mean…I’m for gay rights, but it’s not an issue that is THAT important to me personally to overcome other issues.
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It's a bit different
I think you’d have to admit. Really not that close, actually.
by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
i don't know why it should be the case
they both affect a similar minority % in our country.
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Huh?
One affects every woman, whether she ever has an abortion or not, and one affects, what, 10% directly, and anybody else indirectly.
by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
i don't see how abortion affects every woman
my wife’s never had an abortion, and she wasn’t aborted.
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Gah.
It’s a restriction on liberty. Whether or not she ever has an abortion, the option is available to her. Nobody will enter into a homosexual marriage who isn’t homosexual. Why are you arguing something so obvious?
by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
people are free to do a lot of things they have no interest in doing
acting like they would fight for that right seems short-sighted.
There are plenty of women out there that would never vote for a pro-life candidate…I get that. I just feel there is also women out there that are probably pro-choice when push comes to shove that have other issues that they prioritize more heavily.
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Uhh
Huh? I wasn’t talking about “fighting”. I was talking about your horrible analogy.
by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
for example...
i have the RIGHT to own a gun. I don’t and have no interest in one. I don’t base my voting habits on gun control.
Some issues just don’t mean much to some people.
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You're not getting it.
You’re talking about “caring” and I’m talking about “affecting”.
by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
gun control
AFFECTS every American’s liberty to own a gun. However, not many people CARE enough.
I think you’re the one who’s not getting it.
Acting like zero women who are pro-choice would vote for a woman who is pro-life is incredibly short-sighted.
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When
Did I act like that? Seriously, what are you talking about?
by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
here
I’m not sure
That there’s a gigantic bloc of women who are indifferent on abortion.
While I agreed that it was not a “gigantic” bloc. Indifference isn’t just that they are neither pro-life or pro-choice, but that they are indifferent enough to vote across typical party lines.
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Right...
And what in that leads you to believe I had any opinion on the matter? You really need to cut back on the assumptions. You can care about something and not let it affect your vote. I don’t get what point you’re trying to make.
by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
i'll boil it down to 2 sentences and leave it at that:
1. there will be some pro-choice women who vote Republican (a small %).
2. If people are strictly basing their voting habits on one issue as specific as abortion, that is sad in my opinion.
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re: " people are strictly basing their voting habits on one issue as specific as abortion, that is sad in my opinion."
Couldn’t agree more.
Unfortunately, there are millions and millions of them out there.
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 29, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
But
I still don’t get why you’re preaching your beliefs. I never questioned them, just you analogy. Why is that hard to understand?
by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
since the analogy wasn't really "the point"
i don’t find it worth discussing much more.
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I don't blame you.
You spend a lot of time arguing a point not in contention. I’d feel stupid and want to move on, too.
by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
are you serious?
you just described yourself exactly.
You are always arguing unimportant BS to the point where you are speaking in semantics.
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Don't you mean
…because i’m better than you…?
by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Some of the women I knew who were pro-choice
hated the thought that men were creating laws telling them what to do with their bodies.
would it be more well-received if it was coming from a woman?
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No.
It really wouldn’t. In fact, the women I know who are pro-choice (even those like myself who would likely never have an abortion themselves) would in fact hate a woman telling us what we can/can’t do with our bodies moreso than a man.
yeah, i agree that it would make no difference
i just thought it was odd in Taylor’s comment…“men”.
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I would think ...
… that the word ‘men’ was chosen because in politics more often than not, it is a man you are talking about on the subject of abortion. Female politicians usually don’t spew about it one way or the other like some of the men do. At least, not in my observations.
Not my opinion
Just mentioning what those that were pro-choice used for their justification. Myself, I’m on the fence leaning towards pro-life (20 years ago I was 100% pro-choice) and can arguments made by both sides.
i understood
i didn’t interpret it as your own argument.
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lol
I love the “telling us what we can/can’t do with our bodies” defense.
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by thedirkatron on Aug 29, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Men can't possibly understand
What if the government told you that you HAVE to give one of your kidneys to your neighbor because you have two healthy ones and he does not?
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by The Best Micah on Aug 29, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not even remotely analogous
Like, really, it’s not.
I actually can’t believe how far that is away from being analogous.
It’s blowing my mind.
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by thedirkatron on Aug 29, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I happen to think it is.
It’s still the government making decisions about an individual’s body. I just think if our nation reverts to a time when abortion was illegal, it’s going to be very very ugly.
Also, if the government starts regulating this, what’s to stop them from telling people how MANY children they can have and what age is appropriate to have them?
-- Micah
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"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose."
by The Best Micah on Aug 29, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
You're really equating
the government’s right to force me to have life-threatening surgery so they can come into my body and take my kidney to whether or not the government sanctions you killing the nascent baby you knowingly and willingly created of your own free will?
Come on, you know that’s not analogous.
If you actually want to engage in a debate about abortion, that’s fine. But don’t start it off with that weak ass shit.
And the government makes decisions about what you can and can not do with your body all the time. Ever tried to sell an organ? Are you outraged you can’t?
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by thedirkatron on Aug 29, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
You won't change my mind
And I won’t change yours, so what’s the point?
I just don’t think, as a man, you can understand what it means to have your body legislated.
-- Micah
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by The Best Micah on Aug 29, 2008 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure
Everybody’s body is legislated. I don’t have the right to move my body in a way that damages another.
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Trying selling a lung on Ebay
I wonder if BBIMBF would take up your cause once you got arrested.
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by thedirkatron on Aug 30, 2008 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I do understand
I mean, I guess you’re right that I can never truly understand what it’s like to be a woman, but I have given this issue a ton of thought and really listened to all sides before I came to my conclusion.
And, fwiw, you don’t know how I feel about abortion. I don’t think I’ve ever said on this board.
I was never trying to change anyone’s mind. I mainly stay out of the political discussions on this board for exactly the reasons you mention. If I thought there was anything I could say that would change your mind about an issue this big, then I’d honestly think you were so weak minded as to not want to even bother changing it…. if that makes any sense.
I was simply saying that the whole “telling us what we can/can’t do with our bodies” argument is specious and stupid and ignorant. And then that your analogy was even worse. And I still do that feel that way. It’s a weak analogy. So in other words: I don’t necessarily disagree with or have personal views in contrast to your point, I just think your argument is specious and I think you should give it a long hard look.
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by thedirkatron on Aug 30, 2008 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions
dude dont argue with women over their body, its not a classy move
and i like you a lot. dudes just dont get to do that.
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-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
I think that's silly.
People say “right to choose.” Where’s the man’s right to choose? A man can’t force an abortion, and can’t force a live birth. A man can offer to pay for an abortion, yet still be stuck with 18 years of child support payments.
You can’t talk about abortion as if it’s the woman’s decision in isolation (her body). There are a lot of other factors, and a lot of other people affected.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
thats fine and i agree
but thats between you and your wife/girlfriend etc. its not something you just argue with your random female online.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
I don't see why not.
With rights come obligations.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
and its not your place to judge or dictate those obligations
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
ill give ya the 5:45am get out of jail card
that wasnt even the right tense of a sentence.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
what would you say if some1 told you what to do with your dick?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Depends...
on how hot she is. =p
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
People tell me that all the time
I’m not allowed to whip it out in public and press it up against a school bus window, I’m not allowed use it to have intercourse with little boys or to choke midgets, etc. etc. etc.
And if I knowingly and willingly put a baby in my dick (I’m white so it’d have to be a pretty small baby) then I’d expect there to be some rules to that too.
The whole “It’s my body you can’t tell me what I can’t do with it” argument is completely specious.
People’s bodies are legislated all the time and you know it.
Let me ask you this, are you okay with telling women that they can’t abort at 8 and 1/2 months? I’ve never seen anyone who’s down with abortion at 8 and 1/2 months. How is that not telling a woman what she can’t do with her body?
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by thedirkatron on Aug 31, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
i think you can
choke midgets with it in Nevada so long as its consensual.
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I feel that way, too
but on the other hand if I make a decision about my body that kills someone else, a law against that is probably ok. It really depends on how early into the pregnancy you define life. Very few women think it’s ok to abort just before birth, obviously, but beyond that there is nothing approaching a consensus, again, obviously.
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exactly, eh?
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
It will take a lot more than the Jr. Governor of the North Pole to steal Obama's thunder.
You are very nieve to think there are women who are indifferent on abortion. You must not know very much at all about women.
Actually he meant Nieves
as in that’s so “Melvin Nieves”.
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by thedirkatron on Aug 29, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
those were some extremely rare cards for their time...
…too bad this one is clearly not crisp around the edges.
by oc on Aug 30, 2008 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions
HA HA HA
I knew there was a reason I liked you OC, old buddy.
Of course you collected cards.
Cause that’s what the awesome kids did.
I still have copies of the old Team Pinnacle cards where Juan Gonzalez (my fave player ever when I was young) was on one side and Barry Bonds on the other side.
FWIW, the other side of this card was David Hulse. How’s that for a blast from our mediocre freaking past?
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by thedirkatron on Aug 30, 2008 2:29 AM CDT up reply actions
wasn't Frank Thomas in this series?
no, money down!
by oc on Aug 30, 2008 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions
i'm married to a woman
indifferent on abortion.
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Also...
….while most women may have a strong opinion on abortion, most are probably intelligent enough to realize that hiring a pro-choice vice is absolutely not going to effect their right to choice. It’s not like we’re going to be outlawing abortion anytime soon.
I’m as pro-life as it gets, but I fully realize that electing someone who shares my beliefs on that particular matter is not really going to accomplish a whole lot.
vice
McCain and his hired vice are Pro-Choice. If McCain chooses the next Supreme Court justices, then abortion will be outlawed soon.
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by DerekSTheRed on Aug 29, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
It annoys the hell out of me.....
that people act like abortion is an open issue. It’s not. It’s the ultimate red herring in politics.
Sort of
I agree that people vote on abortion and other issues to their own detriment. I was just countering his argument, “It’s not like we’re going to be outlawing abortion anytime soon.” In reality, we could be outlawing it soon.
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by DerekSTheRed on Aug 30, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Superb pick
Helps with pissed off women Hillary voters.
Helps with right wingers.
Very exciting pick.
54% of the electorate is women.
The much smarter McCain outmaneuvers Obama again..oh how I bet Obama wishes he could go back in time and pick a woman himself now..
by Sharky on Aug 29, 2008 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
i thought you said you would hate this pick
because of “affirmative action”?
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yeah, here it is
I think Pawlenty would be a great choice. Would help with Minnesota’s 10 EV’s, is a safe white male and not any of this Sarah Palin, Condi Rice (or fill in the politically correct minority here) affirmative action bullshit so many conservatives on message boards push.
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Don't try to get consistency
out of the Sharkinator. Just enjoy the stream of consciousness bullshit.
He flip flops more than John Kerry or Mitt Romney.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Well
It’s true I’m not enamored with the pick being female, she seems more right wing than darn near all the candidates including Mitt Romney. And I can definitely support that.
I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things. If 54% of the electorate is women, if Palin can swing 2-4% of that, thats 1-2%. In this election thats big.
I found out Pawlenty is for cap and trade too, and I hate that shit. And Mitt is dogged by Mormonism, so yeah, maybe not ideal pick from MY narrow view, but probably the best available.
Female liberals ...
… will not vote for Palin. For true female liberals (not the caricature of them that you make up in your silly little head), abortion is too big of an issue to excuse.
So why aren’t you enamored with the pick being female? Is it based on gender only? And if so, what was the name of the woman who snapped your little sharky fin so badly that you are letting it affect your political judgement?
ok you do understand that some people voted for hillary simply because she was a woman
some will vote for obama because hes black
some will vote for mccain because he is white
some will vote for palin because she is a woman
some will vote for biden because…he lives in deleware?
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I realize that ...
… but that is not what I was responding to. Sharky makes LIBERAL women out to be some cartoon character, hoping that they only care about whether the candidate is a woman or not. I simply set him straight. You are talking about the populace at large, I was pinpointing one group.
It's also kind of crappy
That she wont help with a specific state (besides Alaska which was already in the bag). But she probably more than makes up for it by helping in an overall way in many states.
Again, looking at the choices in retrospect, it’s hard to argue. Lieberman, Ridge etc would have ignited a war within the Republican party. Romney is great on TV and the issues, and had the most name recognition, but the Mormon thing is a problem. Pawlenty was too much of a “meh” no name.
God I'm torn
whether to keep my sig what it is, or change it to
“I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things.”- Sharky.
So much gold, so little space.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Make it a 2fer
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 29, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I vote you keep the current
That shit is priceless.
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
2fer
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
...
…i love that you denegrate the people you need to win the election. truly.
its like the you black conservative that cnn always flashes to after a speech. they did it twonites ago and my wife looks at me and says “doesn’t she know the republicans are only using her….”
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by ivysafety39 on Aug 29, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
seeing as minorities have been voting Democrats for decades
and still are suffering in ghettos, crappy schools, and low (or no) paying jobs, I’d look at it the opposite way.
What have Democrats done for the minorities that elicit such unbridled dedication?
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they dont build wall and they dont brun crosses?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Actually
they were southern baptists.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
who walked out and became republicans
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
whats so HORRIBLE about a wall?
and burn crosses? …really?
because there have never been any other groups that hate white people, only white people who hate other groups…
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
doesn't make either side right...
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by ivysafety39 on Aug 29, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
honestly...
…i’ll never understand how criticizing a group i am a part of makes me not like that group… be it america, whites, educated, southern…. i can’t understand what seems to be a conservative standard of “if you’re not with us, you’re against us….”…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
hawaii vs alaska
loser gets kicked out of the union
(i’m surprised mccain could find an alaska republican not under indictment, impressive)
I don't see how Palin helps with women.
I think McCain believes he’s got some of Hillary’s vote no matter what he does. Palin is a bone thrown to the right, but I have no feel for how the right might respond. To me, it seems more like a move to appease voters for then next few months than to bring in someone who can work as a partner, much like it would’ve seemed had Obama picked Clinton.
Go Rangers!
Palin may help with women
in general. But female Hillary supporters? I highly doubt this helps at all. if he was hoping to siphon a few Hillary voters with this pick, I think he made an error in judgement.
I heard Geraldine Ferraro's comments this AM
She didn’t say it explicitly, but that is one woman voting for McCain-Palin.
If she’s of that opinion, I guarantee many others are as well.
I doubt there are "many"
There is an Obama office in my building. They’re tight lipped, but there’s always this one guy out in the hall eating a sandwich when I come home for lunch. I ask him questions now and then. Today I asked if they had any numbers on the Hillary camp. He wouldn’t get specific but smiled and said “it’s looking good”.
And that would make sense. The people supporting Clinton weren’t supporting her just because she’s a woman. They were supporting her because of her record and personality. Very, very few of them are going to vote for John McCain or any Republican.
More people watched Obama’s speech than watched the opening ceremony at the Olympics. After seeing that, and if they saw both of the Clintons’ speeches I don’t see how the party is not more unified than it has ever been in my lifetime and beyond. I promise you there are a lot of Republicans who are scared shitless right now, facing the very real possibility of losing more seats in both houses and the White House.
To them, I say every now and then a party needs its ass kicked, and you’ll come out stronger on the flip side. But for now, yeah, it’s looking bleak.
by Black Francis on Aug 29, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I never understood the drama....
that was expected from the Clintons at the convention. Of course they were going to kiss and make up. I can’t believe anyone doubted that.
Palin is the WRONG candidate
McCain really dropped the ball on this one. McCain’s major weakness is understanding the economy, he should’ve brought in someone that’s strong on his weaknesses, not someone that’s a clone.
This just further pushes me to vote for Obama
and I’m a Republican.
makes no sense
Why must McCain’s VP choice be an expert on the economy? There are many cabinet positions to fill and lets not forget about advisors.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
Economy
The economy is most people’s number one issue. McCain said in an interview one time that he’s not as strong politically on the economy as he is on foreign policy. By not choosing an economic centric VP, he’s admitting that his ticket isn’t good with most people’s number one issue unlike the democratic ticket.
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by DerekSTheRed on Aug 29, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Would obviously be
the hottest VP ever. Maybe even hotter than Charles Dawes.
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She's got that
hot, bookish look thing going.
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I can ignore that
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TBALL!!! you hit the nail on the head!!
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Well, she just got the vote ...
… of all the guys who dig hot librarians. Don’t know how big that demographic is but she can certainly swing more votes from it than Biden.
you should try drinking more before
heading to the library.
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If I am going to drink ...
… to make people look better, I would rather have a better selection that a handful of schlocky librarians. Particularly because I know two of them who work in a college library here in town, and quite frankly, they both scare me just a bit.
I like the pick
-McCain just engaged (woke up) every moderate republican, who, to this point, didn’t care what’s been going on. I promise, there is a lot of us.
-Palin took on Big Oil and won. Took on government corruption and won. I like that she’s green because she probably thinks she can make a difference.
-I think Biden will eat her lunch on experience but do we like old pitchers to join the Ranger’s staff because they have great experience?
Anyone that thinks this doesn’t help McCain’s womens’ vote is on crack. I would be interested in any woman’s opinion on which is more important to them: a woman breaking the glass ceiling for the first time in history or that woman’s view on abortion since everyone seems to think that will have more weight in this election
I'll withhold judgement until I see her voting record
on the tech side (Yeah, I’m biased), but wow what a picture below!
huh?
How does an ultra conservative wake up moderate repblicans?
I think Biden will eat her lunch on experience but do we like old pitchers to join the Ranger’s staff because they have great experience?
What are you trying to say about McCain?
because when I think moderate republican, I think its someone that is tired of both sides of the isle and the fact nothing is getting done. What she has done with her state and big oil tells me she’s not affraid of how much money she’s not going to get in campaign dollars. That’s a welcome first. Once she gets in and sees corruption, instead of joining the party, she calls them out. Who calls out corruption in Washington these days?
I wasn’t trying to say anything about McCain. I was comparing qualifications of the 2 possible vp’s. Biden gets the nod.
by corbsclinton on Aug 29, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Who needs experience, When you have boobies?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Aug 29, 2008 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow
They dug that one up quickly.
fap fap fap fap
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
I'm voting Republican
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Is it just me ...
or does that photo look like somebody put Palin’s head on somebody else’s body?
I opened it up in Photoshop
…and in my humble opinion it’s a fake. I’ve seen more obvious ones and I don’t normally use PS for that kind of thing so I’m not an expert. The most obvious evidence I can come up with is that the earrings are not in the right place at all. If you look at it closely they seem to be hanging from her cheeks, not her ears. Plus the compression in the face looks different than the compression in the background, but I don’t normally work in compressed formats so I can’t be sure about that.
by Black Francis on Aug 29, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
it IS hosted on fuckin’ flickr.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Please let this be a joke....
I must be missing your attempt at humor right?
its definately fake, but its still funny
i do photoshop work a bunch (i didnt modifiy that one though) and its not real. you can see the edge on her chin.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Of course it's a fake....
I was just wondering if BF up there was trying to be funny with his seemingly serious attempt to uncover the fact that it was fake.
Fuck, I've become such a politics junkie
I love this shit. I cant wait until Nov 7. I know the swing states by heart lol.
I imagine some of you guys know, but did you see Nate Silver has a big politics site based on statistics? Here: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
That site rocks
and lots of cool charts and graphs, etc. He had some interesting thoughts on Palin:
I DON’T think Palin will have a lot of appeal to Hillary Clinton voters, as Palin runs squarely into some gender politics taboos, i.e. the younger, more attractive, but less qualified woman replacing the older one.
and
But as one of my commenters notes, “it may be the biggest gamble in political history”. A significant gaffe on an issue like foreign policy — whether in the VP debate or in some other context — could render the election essentially unwinnable for McCain.
If I’m McCain I’m worrying more about her lack of experience in national campaigns than her lack of foreign policy experience.
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i'd really like to see her speak in public
before saying if I think it will truly help or hurt McCain. Her resume looks pretty impeccable at this point, and again, if Obama wants to harp on her lack of experience, he’ll come across looking silly.
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Her resume looks pretty impeccable at this point
1.5 years as governor of a state with twice the population of arlington?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
i probably shouldn't have said "resume"
her background was maybe more apt
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what background?
mayor of wasila population 5,000? or runner up in Miss Alaska?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
5 kids
1 in Iraq
1 with Down’s Syndrome
not born with a silver spoon
took on corrupt politicians (Republican) in Alaska
strong female
etc.
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by willamos2 on Aug 29, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'd almost venture to say that out of all 4 of them
she may be the one that is most like the “average person”
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sooooooo that makes her qualified to be one heartbeat fromm the president huh?
i guess we have different qualifications for our commander in chief!
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
no, it means that they can't dig for dirt in her personal life
dumbass
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good call.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
maybe she can die soon
so that you can get excited about it like you did when Tony Snow passed.
if every person in that mold were to pass it would make this country better.
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naw she's a lot hotter than tony snow.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Meh, Chuck Todd already covered this
Apparantly, the cop husband was beating Palins sister his wife at the time
So yeah, pretty much a pass on that one, nobody will dare touch her for it.
What does her having 5 kids and 1 with Down's have to do with anything?
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 29, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
More human that someone who lost their wife and youngest child in an auto accident?
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 29, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
since when did I compare her to Biden?
the “more” in my comment was meant to contrast against Palin if she didn’t have the family.
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Well
I noticed quickly, if you look in the FAQ’s, Silver admits he is an Obama supporter, and as to whether that influences his sites results, says “I hope not”
So yeah, I think he’s looking for negatives on her because of his allegiances.
But you guys know how I’m always harping on Rasmussen as the most trustworthy poll, I thought this was interesting (basically one of the major hooks of Silvers site is that he gives different weight to different polls based on historical reliability) 
Yeah, rasmussen right up at the top (well, behind one outfit I’ve never heard of and surely doesnt do near the depth and frequency of polling Rasmussen does) and surveyusa (ditto more or less, though at least I’ve heard of them) and well above such left wing faves as Gallup, Zogby, LA Times/Bloomberg, CBS/New York Times, etc.
The crazy thing about this is
Given McCain’s age:
What if he dies
If he doesnt die, she’ll have to be a major frontrunner for pres in 4-8 years??
Assuming McCain wins I suppose, a foregone conclusion imo.
This basically makes her a major force in national politics for oh, the next decade..
Shes supposed to come TV any second, I want to hear her, hurry up..
What if he dies?
shouldnt that be question #1 for considering a VP nominee?
personally it scares the hell out of me that McCain could drop dead 2 days into office and the country would be stuck with a president whose main experience comes from 1+ years of a state half the population of Fort Worth.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
When he dies
She can be the first President ever to star in a remake of Van Halen’s Hot for Teacher Video.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
You better ...
… keep her away from Salty!
by Melmart1 on Aug 29, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
is there ANY doubt who will portray her on SNL?
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Tina Fey
Yeah this is great for SNL. Can’t wait till they start up again. Politics + SNL = comedy gold.
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by DerekSTheRed on Aug 29, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
didnt tina fey leave SNL a while back?
sorry i dont catch SNL much anymore, amy poler or whatever her name is.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
yes
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 29, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
oh, i thought she was still a writer
for them…my bad
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When she comes back to
host she can do it.
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true
She’s doing 30 Rock now. Forgot about that.
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by DerekSTheRed on Aug 29, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The RNC will be hilarious
Apparently they are having trouble filling the 18,000 seat stadium (that is after the DNC had a waiting list for their 85,000 seat stadium). Really smart move on the Dems’ part – making the RNC look like the minor leagues in comparison.
its not good either.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Sound
they need a better sound engineer, the feedback is annoying.
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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
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haaaaaaaawt
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Speech
Ok, is this intro music like the “Alaska” theme or something? The sound of it makes it seem she should walk out wearing chaps or driving a dog sled.
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i woulda liked Elvis, "North to Alaska!"
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
That was
Johnny Horton, but yeah.
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damn
i thought i knew my music history pretty good.
blew that one.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
one of my hero's
well, just about.
very very fond of Fela. my minor was african studies and one of my professors was a college kid in nigeria when the military dictatorship was in power, i heard stories of the young students getting ready for the daily protests and riots against the government while dancing to Fela.
Fela is greatness.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
relevance
to Alaska or Johnny Horton? I had to look him up.
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none at all
but he makes rage against the machine look like republicans.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
word!
fela was a badass
zombie is a good song to listen to to get into him.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Sorry, pal
I love discovering new music but I just can’t bring myself to give one of your recs a listen after that DJ Dill Picklez (or whoever) shit you inflicted on me last time.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 29, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
give me a chance then
stevie wonder and james brown traveled to nigeria to play with the guy, he ain DJ Picklz or whatever.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
This is a really smart move
McCain did a stellar job of keeping this under wraps, so it was a complete stunner this AM, taking Obama’s speech off the headlines.
It does dampen the “experience” angle a bit, but it was obvious that he had to pick someone young, and it wasn’t clear that that angle was working all that well anyway (it didn’t get Hillary anywhere).
The fact he picked a woman is smart, but made smarter by the fact that it was a shocker. Everyone just assumed it was going to be another generic rich white guy (Romney, Pawlenty), and they pull her out of the hat.
Who knows who wins this election, but at least none of the candidates are incredibly obnoxious (Edwards) or kind of scary (Cheney).
by JBImaknee on Aug 29, 2008 11:29 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
So...
there’s still a chance a woman can be president.
Good choice by McCain. Now he can get a good chunk of the “Lifetime” and “Oxygen” audience vote.
i want to see her on "the View"
i mean…Is the View still on TV?
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the accent's a bit annoying
at least to me.
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I like her
She’s cool.
McCain=home run VP
Obama=strike out
Women will like her cus shes a woman, men will like her cus she’s hot
Will be Americas sweetheart.
king of the flames. general of the feeble. defender of the LSB trolls... sir shark.
the funny part is how many people take you serious…
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by ivysafety39 on Aug 29, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm surprised
he’s not taking advantage of hitting up on Duff knowing her dad can’t come after him for 10 days
if obama nominates some1 similar youd be railing on how it was his doomsday b/c her experience is axactly Jack and Shit.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
thats because his experience is
jack and shit.
his = obamas
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
They were already talking about the Biden=Palin debate
1. He cant go after her hard with all his years of foreign policy experience or he risks looking like a bully
2. The expectations for her will be so low, it’ll be impossible for her not outperform them
LOL, poor Democraps..
re:
Palin has more experience in running a government than both Biden and Obama combined, yet, dems will say she is ‘inexperienced’…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
1.5 years of experience as governor of a state with 1/2 as many people as fort worth will get ya a title of inexperienced
dont ya think?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
about the same experience as Obama
considering Obama’s now spent 2 years of his term running for a different office.
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+1
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
since when are...
…the republicans sentimental about people getting bullied?
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
by ivysafety39 on Aug 29, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
low expectations
that’s a plus, but I have to think they are going to be prepping her nonstop with her lack of experience in this kind of thing.
And you’re absolutely right. It’s amazing how not a single Democrat in the universe has ever, ever had a good idea (that wasn’t stolen from the Aryan greatness of the GOP). What a bunch of bungling idiots.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
Patronizing
Oh, and you’re attitude about Biden having to go soft on the female is awfully patronizing.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
did you expect more from sharky?
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by ivysafety39 on Aug 29, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I need to see and read a little bit more
but this appears to be a phenomenal choice.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Aug 29, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Joe Biden will have no problem chewing up Palin and spitting her out in any debate.
He will have already done it with McCain by the time a VP debate will even occur, and she will barely serve as dessert. Your admitted narrow view of the world would keep you shielded from the fact that their are many many women serving in both houses of congress, and holding Governorships. Debating women in the political arena is nothing new to an experienced politician like Joe Biden. It is a typical bigoted view that women wish to be treated differently or are weaker and expected to be dealt with more gently than someone of your own gender.
Joe Biden is going to hurt
more than help Obama.
Why Dems continue to put eastern establishment types on either side of the ticket is beyond me because it doesn’t win elections.
Muskie ’68, Shriver ’72, Ferraro ’84, Dukakis ’88, Lieberman ’00, Kerry ’04 … on and on it goes.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Aug 29, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
lets see what they have to say
after biden gives us a good one liner in a week or two about mccain being old or palin being a woman lol
much like he did with obama lol
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Another point from Chuck Todd
The McCain camp was worried about the perception that somehow, by voting against Obama, people would be “impeding history”, ie the first black pres and all that.
Well now they have a reason for people to vote for them and feel historical as well.
Good thinking, I hadn’t even considered that angle.
Yep, McCain is just so much smarter than Obama..
Except Palin is NOT the first female white VP candidate.
McSame is just pandering to a small portion of the female vote he could not attract on his own merit. She helps more to shore up the conservative/evangelical wing of the party that McSame loathes.
except shes the first one
who has a chance to win?
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Poor Obama
Just hours ago the talk was all about his “masterful” convention speech, and now he’s been totally upstaged.
I bet his team is seething..
You do know that everyone has known all week that McCain would be announcing the pick today, don't you?
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 29, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
dont listen to OC, the north pole is very valid :)
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
I've notice how he is intellectually incapaple of replying to any of the comments made toward him.
Meaningful debate is just a little over his head. Facts seem to scare him off.
does anybody...
…think that mccain will actually ask palin her opinion on something?
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
Sarah Palin is going to be
featured quite prominiently in this election.
If I’m a Dem, I’d be quite concerned that they only received a 6 point bounce in the polls…because that’s nothing.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Aug 29, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Gore got a 15 point convention bounce in 2000. Still lost (narrowly, heh).
Not only that but Rasmussen shows exactly a zero point bounce, the bounce is only in gallup.
Then again it hasnt settled. Probably another week to see the true bounce or lack thereof.
It seems to me Palin will already blunt some of the bounce. I think it will help Repubs even more if they delay their convention because of the hurricane (later convention=later bounce=better).
I have to say, MSNBC lost all credfibility this weekend, Olbermann is really a monster. He’s literally now trying to censor every conservative viewpoint at the network, there’s a youtube video of him telling producers"alright wrap him up" about (conservative) Mike Murphy the other day in a very hostile way to an open mike because he didnt like what Murphy was saying.
Whatever you think of his politics, what a petulant child.
He's obviously far worse than O'Reilly and Hannity...
/tongue, meet cheek
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
Nope
O Reilly and Hannity are opinion shows, not alleged straight news coverage. Nobody at Fox behaves like that in straight coverage.
If Olbermann wants to do that on his own show, fine whatever. But he’s literally trying to take over the entire network now, and nothing he doesnt approve apparantly gets on.
I mean fine whatever, but MSNBC is really a loose cannon with Olbermann right now and it’s not going to end well. I’ve never witnessed such blatant partisanship as coming out of Olbermann/Mathews this Dem convention. They’re going to lose all credibility if nothing else. And we all know how this is going to end, after them telling us how incredibly wonderful Obama is for six months, how everything is going so incredibly swimmingly and all America loves Obama and he cant possibly lose, Olbermann and Mathews will have hung heads on election night in November. Credibility=gone.
Olbermann just cant control his censoring liberal urges, apparantly.
FOX News is the king of spin...
…from the stock footage they use, to the guests that appear on their show…
…from the way Brit Hume delivers his “fair, balanced, and unafraid” line…
the media is a hoax.
yea ALL media basically
are the kings/queens of spin one direction or another
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
People just hate Fox because they're moderate/left
Which stands out a lot in the sea of far left networks.
can easily say that about any show
people have XXX because it has been the propoganda machine of XXX for the past XXX years
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
They're biased
always going on about climate.
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You might find this funny
http://www.rage3d.com/board/archive/index.php?t-33781604.html
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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
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Mike Murphy is an idiot. Nothing he says makes a bit of sense but that's how conservative comentators talk.
MSNBC should have at least borrowed somebody from “Fox and Friends,” that way they would have been at least presentable.
Right
So, because you declare him an idiot without any facts, he must be censored.
Nice, can I do likewise? Olbermann is an idiot, therefore he should never be allowed on the air. Now we’re even.
You constantly
do likewise.
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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
They all have agendas, that's the nature of cable news programs.
If I had all the transcripts from the shows Murphy was on, I would be glad to go over them word for word with you, but i don’t have them handy.
I really just came over to see what LSB had on their disappointing loss to the Angels last night.
of course...
…next year, Vladdy will be 50. Anderson will be 51. Francisco Rodriguez will be gone. Teixeira will be gone. Matthews Jr. will still be terrible. Brandon Wood will still not get it.
and at some point Joe Saunders will come back down to earth.
meanwhile, we just continue to get younger and better.
GASP!
by oc on Aug 29, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
enjoy it now, because holy shit, in three years, your team will be in shambles.
by oc on Aug 29, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Keep dreaming.
Tony Regins is not going to let the team fall apart like you hope. How does a guy like Nolan Ryan not recognize the need for good pitching on his team? That question baffles me.
do your research, Nancy...
…this team has acquired enough depth in the minors to trade for a young front-line starter this offseason.
we also have the money to spend on Sheets if we so desire.
we have two future aces blooming in Double-A.
get familiar with the names Wilfredo Boscan, Michael Main, Martin Perez, Blake Beavan and Robbie Ross, because they are the next army of arms behind them.
by oc on Aug 29, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
on top of this, a slew of rookies are taking their lumps this season... and will no doubt mature with more experience next season.
by oc on Aug 29, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what rookies do, take their lumps. Angels rookies are no different.
Juan Rivera and Jose Arredondo are our outstanding highlights if you keep your eyes on the Angels. Arredondo will probably be the closer next year. Sean Rodriquez is showing signs of promise. Brandon Wood will probably get his act together and be good next year.
you do realize
that juan rivera is far from being a rookie, right?
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
meanwhile, Nick Adenhart continues to get pounded around...
…heh…
and between Stoneman and Reagins, your team has failed to spend on the draft the last two seasons.
yikes.
by oc on Aug 29, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
whose been a bigger flop this year
adenhart or hurley lol
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
'nuff said
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
rangers are out of it
there have been many disappointing losses…were used to it now
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Who knows what the magic number
for a convention bounce is but JCarter led Ford by 18 points in ‘76 and narrowly won. Obama makes for a very nice story but he’s not a strong candidate (and the meager 6 point bounce illustrates this). If he really was strong he wouldn’t have struggled as much as he did with HRC.
I think your numbers are correct on Gore in ‘00. Liberal pukes like to think differently but Dubya whipped his ass in the debates. The turning point came when Gore was walking around during the debate, invaded Bush’s personal space and then received unscripted “wtf are you doing?” glare from Bush.
At that singular moment, Gore fumbled in the red zone and coughed up his lead.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Aug 29, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Todays tracking polls
Rassmussen Obama+4 (49-45)
Gallup Obama +8 (49-41)
All in the 40’s..doesnt seem like anything McCain cant recover from.
Number really start to matter after both conventions.
Everything is very misleading after just one, regardless of the size of the “bump”.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
none of that answers my question...
….does anyone here actually see mccain asking palin her opinion on anything?… anything?
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by ivysafety39 on Aug 29, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
No. After today she is a place holder nothing more, nothing less.
She is window dressing to spark up McCains floundering campaign.
I bet Obama is smiling right now.
Not only did Obama make a fine VP choice himself, and not only did McCain clearly go regional with his VP pick (especially to shore up a traditionally red state), but this isn’t going to bring more female voters to McCain.
Obama is the “pro-female” candidate, and has harped on that for the past eight months. Pawlenty was the pick here for McCain, someone who could at least match up with Biden at the debate and help in a state that really matters.
Now? It’s a ticket of Old Man/Obscure Woman, which I don’t think is going to fly. Obama just won Pennsylvania, and just closed in on victory in Ohio.
I’m not saying this is a swing and a miss for McCain. She adds a little buzz, and the timing from a political standpoint is excellent. But really, I don’t see her bringing anything to the ticket.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
i think you're underestimating Palin's ability to attract women
do I think it will be a big , no? But even a 3-5 pull among women that weren’t going to vote for McCain beforehand would be huge, and I think it is something that is manageable.
If Obama wants to call himself “pro-female”, he’s going to look just silly – whether he’s justified by his pro-choice stance or not.
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I think politics can always be analogized to gambling
And a blackjack analogy fits this.
After the convention, Biden, and Hillary amends, McCain had a 17 and was facing a dealer showing an 8. Maybe the smart move was to play it safe (a Pawlenty pick), but McCain is a gambler, and wasn’t going to sit still and let Obama beat him, so he took a hit. Instead, he’d rather gamble, and go down doing something wild than lose being cautious.
Palin is a huge risk – there are any number of places that she can fail. But her upside is huge, and if she works out is enough to win this election no matter what Obama does.
Also, this isn’t a regional pick at all. Pawlenty would have been, but not Palin.
Well, as a compulsive gambler...
…you have to take a hit on 17 with an 8 showing. :)
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
obama is effed
he can’t say anything about Palin’s experience or he will be making an argument against HIMSELF…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
Wow, very very very interesting.
"Republican strategist Karl Rove called Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) late last week and urged him to contact John McCain to withdraw his name from vice presidential consideration, according to three sources familiar with the conversation."
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
yeah
that was the news the last few days.
Hearing that the other day, I went into this morning thinking that Lieberman was going to be the pick. But now I think that was a head-fake to throw people off the scent of Palin. It makes McCain look bold and independent, and distances him from Bush/Rove.
Supposedly
McCain gave Lieberman serious consideration as recently as a few days ago, floated the idea to the Republican infrastructure,, and got the message back loud and clear he’d better not do it.
Not surprising.
Liebermann or even Ridge would have been a total betrayal of the conservative base. While it wouldn’t have shifted people over to Obama, people definitely would have been more inclined to just not vote at all.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
Palin
It could backfire. Geraldine Ferraro selection did and the fact that McCain selected this person who has a little over 1 year in experience takes away this talking point. She’s going to get creamed by Biden in the debates. The new Dan Quayle should be the new talking points for the Dems because it’s accurate.
eh
Obama has to be careful attacking her experience and saying she’s a heartbeat away from the presidency. He’s not exactly Reagan/Bush running against her – he’s done a good job making experience NOT an issue in this campaign, because it is one thing that he really can’t win on.
GFerraro was a desperation
pick. Reagan/Bush steamrolled in that election and nobody was going to beat them.
This election is up for grabs and I think Palin brings in a lot of middle aged white cougars…I mean women.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Aug 29, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Finally someone figures it out.
McCain has someone in Palin to mentor and allow to be an understudy for the 2016 election. Do you really feel comfortable with Biden as next in line to the presidency? He got NO support in a couple of tries for the job.
This is where Bush made the mistake of putting Cheney on the ticket who would never run for Prez. Left a wide open race in 08. Although with Bush’s horrendous run, it is a moot point now.
Palin is a refreshing candidate and someone I will research ALOT more before selecting whom I vote for. Too bad for the Dems, a Hillary (prez) and Obama (VP and grooming for prz in 2016) ticket would have won a landslide. Now it is a tossup.
With the latest revelations, how stupid was putting Edwards on the ticket four years ago. Nobody wanted him as Prez.
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
Agree
Long term this is an ideal move for the Republicans, whose ranks were looking rather slim. Regardless of the outcome of this race, Palin becomes a major political figure so long as she doesn’t screw things up herself (a loss will just be attributed to Bush and McCain). She can go back to Alaska and we’ll see her again in 2012 or 2016.
I’ve always liked the vice president as basically a minor league system for running for presidency. It takes one of your best prospects (usually not your #1, but your #3 or #4) and moves them into the national scene.
Biden
I don’t think the fact that his campaign went nowhere means we should be “uncomfortable” with him being next in line to the presidency. I also don’t think Obama/Clinton would have been an automatic landslide.
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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
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Biden
I like the guy, and always thought that he was the most qualified Democratic candidate for the presidency. Of all the names on the ballot (Obama/Biden/McCain/Palin), his is the one I’m happiest to see there.
i know a lot of people who feel that way.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
I would be one of those people.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
mccain won't make it another 8 years... nice try...
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by ivysafety39 on Aug 29, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
If he does that...
..he may as well make a concession speech right then and there.
by Black Francis on Aug 29, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll take that bet
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 29, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, I'm sorry, I don't mean to blatantly attack one candidate...
…but McCain is a terrible speaker, and Palin isn’t exactly a natural orator. McCain’s got to come out strong at the convention and show some public speaking chops. He HAS to.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
yes
because if there’s one thing that’s been proven, it’s that this country will NOT stand for poor public speakers in high places.
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I'm only saying...
…that it doesn’t matter how great your policies are if you can’t enunciate them.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
Nah
People dont care about that shit.
McCain sucked at speaking all through the Republican primary, and still won.
Old people who vote dont care. People just gloss over it.
thats b/c all the other candidates were total shit.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
bull
Mitt Romney gave the best speech I have ever heard at CPAC
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
happy or sad about VP?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
happy
I love her, but I’m a big fan of delivering states, and I think Romney could have delivered Nevada and Michigan and Indiana.
I’m a creationist too, like her.
I don’t know, it could be great and McCain could roll on election day because of her, but he could lose by a state or two because she didn’t have any huge bump in any particular state while just adding a percentage or two in each state, while Romney may have delivered those states I mentioned previously.
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
and your point is you want a great orator as your pres?
Palin was more than fine by the way…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
Yo mama
is a joke pick.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
I did not know...
Will be interesting to see how that plays. It seemed to hurt Huckabee in the primary.
"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer
Of course she is
McCain had to cater to the inbred, hillbilly evangelical Christian nuts that are the heart and soul of the Republican party.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
sweeeeeet Jeesus
no experience in foreign relations, believes that a God magically created things, and had a 5th child while in her 40’s knowing the chances of birth defects in children born to mothers over 40 climbs exponentially, shows a massive error in judgement
"For those booing me. Take that, beeep." - Ramon Vazquez
Your first two criticisms are valid and fair.
The last is just mean spirited.
i'm not even sure the 2nd criticism is
i mean, i understand that politicians shouldn’t legislate via creationism, but since when is our country hell-bent on mocking the beliefs of others?
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difference between mocking and not funding its teachings
is massive!!!!!
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
When folks believe in flat earth
we should feel free to mock them.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
and go for it...
it’s comments like that and the post-2004 election map that depicted the red states as “Jesusland” that divide this country even moreso, pushing a lot of people further away from the Democratic party.
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those folks should sail off the edge of the earth and call it a day
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
so you could celebrate
and dance in the streets
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lets take that question up when it comes up, ok?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
What is Obama’s experience in foreign relations? Palin has been an elected official for 14 years, while Obama has only been one for two years. She’s led a state government, while Obama has no executive experience. And he’s a #1 on the ticket, she’s a #2.
God is the Creator. And He created and loves that fifth child.
isn't she a creationist?
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by ivysafety39 on Aug 30, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
wasn't reading the above...
….boy do i have egg on my face… at least its not dinosaur egg… cause we all know they weren’t in the bible… they were jusy made up by a giant conspiracy to debunk religion…
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by ivysafety39 on Aug 30, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Get your facts straight.
Obama has been an elected official for more than two years. Foreign policy probably comes up a lot more in the senate than in the Alaska governor’s office.
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Technically, yes
he has been in for more than two years, but he’s spent the rest of the time campaigning.
Palin may not have foreign policy experience, but she has executive experience that even the other three men don’t have.
He's been an elected official since 1997 you illiterate boob
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 30, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I stand corrected
Sorry, I was thinking of his time as a US Senator, and overlooked his time as an Illinois Senator.
I see that you’re a real champion of civil discourse.
What Brian said.
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you're being disingenous
to infer from that article that she is a “creationist” who doesn’t believe in evolution through natural selection.
by Randy Richardson on Aug 29, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
aren't creationists...
…pretty against the whole evolution thing in general…
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by ivysafety39 on Aug 30, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
From our good friend, Wiki...
“Creationism is the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe were created in their original form by a deity (often the Abrahamic God of Judaism, Christianity and Islam) or deities, whose existence is presupposed.”
My general understanding is that there are lot of religious people who believe that evolution is simply the path used by God to create.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
That's what I believe
But that’s not what I want taught in public schools. People are free to choose whether or not evolution is God’s tool…that’s for the home and church to talk about.
I don’t consider myself a “creationist” because most “creationists” don’t think anywhere near the way I do. Some may, but most do not. But I think it’s great you pointed out that you can be a man of both God and Darwin and it’s not a contradiction.
by Black Francis on Aug 30, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
The Bible doesn’t say how God created, it simply says that He created. The Bible isn’t a science book, but it matches up well with the scientific evidence that life came about through a miraculous act of the Creator God. At any rate, creationism should get equal time with evolution in the public school classroom – then let people decide for themselves.
Why should...
…public schools be required to give equal time to the Bible? Given I’m a liberal, but I’m also a Christian and I DO NOT want public anything screwing around with what’s in the Bible. These people can’t even teach math.
What you have to understand is that inserting religion into government will NOT help religion. It can only screw things up. Just look at history.
by Black Francis on Aug 30, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
What I said
was that creationism as an origin of life should be taught side-by-side with the theory of evolution in public schools, not that the Bible should be taught in public schools. And who are “these people” who can’t teach math?
Concerning religion and government, what you need to understand is that our nation has a strong Christian heritage. By its very nature, government is power-seeking and tries to generate its own moral legitimacy for its decisions. Yet history reveals that government needs an independent conscience, an effective moral resistance, and the church has been the institution that has best fulfilled that role. Government needs the moral vision of the church, and the church mustn’t abdicate its all-important role. As a Christian you should know that Christianity should be out in the marketplace of ideas.
Teaching
When it comes to teaching things in public schools, teachers should be guided by the consensus of experts in a field when determining what to teach. Almost all experts don’t agree with the planned creation idea. So many don’t agree you have a consensus that you can teach in public schools. If you want to teach creationist theories, teach them in Sunday School. Separation of Church and state ftw.
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by DerekSTheRed on Aug 30, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Who are these ‘experts’? Are they not Darwinists and anti-theists who want to dissuade true freedom of thought in this area? What’s wrong with allowing creationism and evolution to be taught side-by-side, and letting people think and choose for themselves?
Intelligent design simply teaches that “certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected (random) process such as natural selection.” That’s it. It does not actually attempt to define or describe that cause. Most scientists who subscribe to intelligent design do believe in some form of evolution. And some of them are not even believers in the Bible—they are secularists. They simply believe that Darwinism does not have all the answers, especially about how life originated. (Darwin himself never pretended certainty on that.)
You don’t need to follow the Darwinist line that everything you disagree with must be squashed. Dare to think for yourself. You might just learn what the Darwinists and the anti-theists do not want you to know…
Why creationism should not be taught in science class.
It’s not science. It’s that simple. It’s faith and should be taught at home/church.
Listen, do you really want the public school board deciding how your child is taught the creation story? As a parent, I’ll handle that and anything else about the Bible myself, thank you very much. The teachers can stick to the subjects they went to school for.
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Modern science arose b/c of the unique contribution of Christianity to Western culture. Up until the latter part of the 19th century, scientists were typically Christians who saw no conflict between their faith and their science. The idea that science and religion don’t go together is a relatively recently-developed myth. But during the last 30 years or so there has been a renewed interest in the relationship between science and Christianity. They aren’t adversaries, but rather allies in the search for truth.
Do you want your child to be taught that we came from apes as if that was fact, without an alternative viewpoint?
Wow...
“Modern science arose b/c of the unique contribution of Christianity to Western culture”…seriously?
If you want to learn about creationism go to church!
And to your last question. Yes.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Right back at ya...
Look at how closed minded you are being about science. Very sad.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Keep your silly (to me) faith off of my unborn children, jackass.
That’s the point.
If I had kids I wouldn’t want them getting lectured at school about talking snakes and magical kind-hearted zombies and massive global inbreeding and bearded men building arcs cause they heard the mystical voice of some flying spaghetti monster in the sky.
And I can’t even begin to tell you what’s wrong with this quote:
“Up until the latter part of the 19th century, scientists were typically Christians who saw no conflict between their faith and their science. The idea that science and religion don’t go together is a relatively recently-developed myth.”
Do you really believe this?
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by thedirkatron on Aug 30, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Ever hear the names
Kepler, Boyle, Maxwell, Faraday, Kelvin (among many others)?
The rest of your post is so shallow-minded that it doesn’t deserve a response.
Weak sauce
I mean, of course scientists back in the day were typically Christians… cause up until then pretty much all learned Western peoples were Christians. Doesn’t prove shit. And it doesn’t mean their faith based beliefs weren’t at odds with their scientific beliefs.
And I don’t know how the rest of my post was shallow minded. I’ll admit I’m a pretty hardcore atheist so I’m not to up on the bible, but I thought that was a pretty accurate description of the shit I learned back in Sunday school.
But all of that isn’t even the point. The point is that this is supposed to be a country of free religion so we shouldn’t teach any one particular faith’s crazy views of how we all came to be in public government-funded schools.
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by thedirkatron on Aug 30, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
If you would read and study those scientists, you would discover that their Christian faith actually inspired and informed their scientific endeavors.
Sounds like your Sunday school had some pretty crazy and bizarre ideas about God and faith. Such false ideas distort your image of God into something that the Bible doesn’t teach at all. I wouldn’t believe in the kind of image of God that you described, either.
The question of how we came to be is a philosophical one. If you say that religious thought should be totally banned from the classroom, then what philosophy are we left with? Atheism. Should an atheistic worldview be taught at the exclusion of all others?
President John Adams once said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." The US was founded on Christian principles and has a rich Christian heritage. That reality should be acknowledged in our society, and certainly on the question of the origin of life the Christian viewpoint should be taught. Whether people believe it or not is up to them.
I’ll need to run now, but I’ll check in tomorrow (if there’s anything to check).
You seem to be under the assumption
That moral people are only those who subscribe to a religion.
Religion being totally banned from the classroom falls under the belief in seperation of Church and State. Evolution is a scientific theory that is supported by large amounts of evidence and is not formally associated with religion, so it is taught in public schools. As earlier stated, Creationism isn’t supported by evidence but solely by faith which falls under the category of “Church” while public education falls under the governmental institution of “State”. Once/If creationism is supported by evidence, I wouldn’t mind it being taught as an alternative view to evolution. However, until that time, it should be considered a religious viewpoint and be taught only in private schools.
by hiafex on Aug 30, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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+ fact
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Two questions for you
1. Where do you think the concept of separation of Church and State came from (and what was its original purpose)?
2. Is creation by Darwinist evolution more observable than supernatural creation by God?
2. yes
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
It really
Doesn’t matter where it came from, or what its original purpose was, does it?
Also, how can one observe a discrete event in the past?
by brettgardner on Aug 31, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
It matters because
the phrase separation of Church and State is traced to a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists in which he reassured them that their religious freedom should be protected. The “wall of separation” was erected to protect the Church from the domination of government, not the other way around. Nowadays you hear it used as people are on this blog – that it was meant to keep the Church or religious thought out of government. Nonsense!
Christians were at the forefront of living out the concept of separation of Church and State. They believed that since the State can’t transform the human soul (only God’s Spirit can do that), government shouldn’t try to establish or interfere with the Church. But to suggest that the purpose of the Church and State separation was to keep religion out of politics reveals ignorance of our history.
As I argued above, government actually needs the moral vision of the Church, b/c public policies have to emerge from a moral consensus. That’s why for over 200 years Christians have actively pursued Biblical justice and righteousness in society: the abolitionist movement, the establishment of public education and public hospitals, prison reform and civil rights among many other examples. Christian values have been at the cutting edge in shaping our national character.
Sigh...
“government actually needs the moral vision of the Church”. No it doesn’t. My morals are just fine without religion, and so are many others.
You love to talk about all the great things Christianity has done, fair enough. How about all the horrible things it has done as well? Your “biblical justice and righteousness in society” is just crap and has never applied to everyone in a society but rather those that you feel deserve it.
And as for your seperation of church and state argument, that’s just your interpretation or the writing. Like many things with Jefferson and the founding fathers it could be interpreted in many ways. Of course someone of faith is going to interpret it that way. You can spin that to your beliefs all you want. My religious freedom should be protected as well. From people like you, that want to force it down everyone’s throats.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
one thing about this whole evo. vs creationism debate
theory of evolution says nothing about life’s origins, merely how it develops over time. So it is possible to believe in both without conflict. creationists should really be debating over the theory of abiogenesis
This is where it becomes important to actually define evolution, b/c Darwinists who believe in naturalistic evolution do argue that the theory encompasses the origin of life as well.
Natural selection certainly occurs, but no one has evidence that it can accomplish the creative acts that Darwinists claim it can. As an explanation for changes in populations, Darwinism is a verified doctrine. As an explanation of how complex organisms came into existence in the first place, it is just another philosophy.
wait a second
are you calling believing in evolution, a whole seperate religion? This is where I stop arguing
Here is how Darwinist George Gaylord Simpson defines “the meaning of evolution”:
"…all the objective phenomena of the history of life can be explained by purely naturalistic or…materialistic factors. They are readily explicable on the basis of differential reproduction in populations and of the mainly random interplay of the known processes of heredity…Man is the result of a purposeless and natural process that did not have him in mind.
In the Darwinist view (the official view of mainstream science), God clearly had nothing to do with evolution.
What is actually at issue
is not the specifics of evolution vs. the specifics of Genesis. Rather, at issue are two worldviews: the claim that life is the product of impersonal forces vs. the claim that life was designed by an intelligent agent.
As you said above
separation of church and state is about protecting the church as much as the state. The two worldviews above are indeed different but perhaps not irreconcilable. Many scientists believe that God created the universe and set in motion the process of evolution as part of that.
Whatever you believe, evolution is science, creationism (of any religion) is faith. Keep the faith stories out of the classroom and keep the science out of the church whenever possible.
Nothing is gained by teaching creation in the school. Who’s account of creation do you teach? It is ridiculous to choose Christianity’s account simply because of majority. What about in school systems featuring large numbers of other religions? Is it ok to teach all of their creation stories as well?
To say that kids of other beliefs must sit and listen to the Christian creation story in a public school is nothing more than religious bigotry. To pretend that you can create some sort of curriculum that is completely ecumenical and/or interfaith and still effective — and not have individual teachers bend it to their beliefs (or lack thereof) is laughable.
There are a million problems with teaching anything religious in a public school setting. Teach it at home and at the church and you don’t trample on anyone’s rights, and you make sure your kids hear the things you want them to taught in a way you support.
Keep religion out of the science class for your own sake. Evangelism should not be a matter of forced education or left up to any random science teacher.
I just cannot believe that any Christian would want a science teacher – who in all likelihood does not share your beliefs — to teach their children about God’s creation.
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Whatever you believe, evolution is science, creationism (of any religion) is faith.
This statement is much too simplified – be careful about using labels. The effect of saying something like this is not very different from saying that the former is true and the latter is fantasy. When the doctrines of science are taught as fact, then whatever those doctrines exclude can’t be true. By using labels, objections to naturalistic evolution can be dismissed without a fair hearing.
Concerning what to teach in schools: you don’t teach any particular religion. You teach intelligent design. As mentioned above, intelligent design simply teaches that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected (random) process such as natural selection." It does not actually attempt to define or describe that cause. That can be done outside the classroom.
Umm, what your point?
just because people think god doesn’t have anything to do with evolution, doesn’t mean they are non religious.
I guess you missed the all-encompassing nature of the justice and righteousness in the examples above – those changes transformed all of society, not just “those who I feel deserve it.”
So government doesn’t need the moral restraint of the Church? Well, the record of atheistic regimes is, shall we say, less than inspiring. The Soviet Union, Red China, and Cambodia killed tens of millions of people. For men like Stalin and Mao, people were expendable b/c they were not created in the image of a personal God. Instead, they were objects being manipulated by impersonal historical forces.
One atheist understood the moral consequences of his unbelief: That was Nietzsche, who argued that God is dead, but acknowledged that without God, there could be no binding and objective moral order.
Where do you think your morals actually come from? And in what way do you think I want to “force religion down everyone’s throats”?
My morals...
come form how I was raised. What I was taught is right from wrong. I feel like you want to foce religion upon people by saying things like it should be taught in school.
I would hardly call the 3 examples you used as “atheistic regimes” as well. They are just non-Christian regimes. Christian regimes have killed more than any throughout history as well, so that is not a valid argument either.
Look, we just see things very differently. I feel like many religious people, you claim to have all the answers. Sorry, but I don’t think you or religion does. I will stick to scientific and historical fact and you can stick to religious mythology. Neither one of us is going to change the others opinion so I think this discussion ends here for me. Nice debate, sorry if I offended you in any way. At times I can be rather crass when discussing religion as I feel just as strongly about my beliefs as you do about yours.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Those regimes were definitely anti-God and even claimed that God doesn’t exist, so they were atheistic. The Crusades were certainly terrible, but even there they were ‘Christian’ in name only. When you say “Christian regimes”, I don’t know what you are referring to, but to claim that they “killed more than any throughout history” is a bold-faced lie.
When did I say that religion should be taught in school? What I’m saying is that if evolution is taught in school as an origin of life, then creationism should be given equal time. That’s not shoving religion down everyone’s throats. What is happening in schools today (and it’s been happening for many years) is that students are being force-fed a Darwinian worldview with no competing viewpoint.
I wanted to talk to you about morals, but as you said, it’s probably best to leave it here. I will say that Christianity is based on historical facts, and I hope that someday your eyes will be opened to the truth. At any rate, I appreciate the tone of your last paragraph, and thanks for discussing.
I dont know about the others
But I wasn’t taught that the Natural Selection theory was what created life. In fact, the title of Darwin’s book is “Origin of Species” not origin of life. Those who have translated Darwin’s ideals into that of a creation theory are interpreting it wrongly. This is why I understand why evolution is taught in schools, whereas creationism is suggesting how life began without any concrete proof. I feel that you’re confusing the origin of life with evolution/natural selection. I don’t believe in teaching about the origin of life because there aren’t any scientifically valid theories.
Fair enough
You must have gone to schools that were quite different than the ones that taught some of the rubbish that I and many others received. But see above in the response to cashman concerning the Darwinist definition of evolution and the “clash of worldviews”.
Does this mean that you believe in microevolution but not macroevolution?
micro and macro are the same
just on different time scales.
That’s what a Darwinist would say. But it’s only a working assumption, not a proven proposition. Feel free to make the unwarranted leap from changes within species to changes from one species to another if you like, but don’t pretend that the scientific method has anything to do with it. In other words, it’s an unproven notion.
per wikipedia
The attempt to differentiate between microevolution and macroevolution is considered to have no scientific basis by any mainstream scientific organization, including the American Association for the Advancement of Science.2
No
I’m well aware of where it came from. You’re not the first smug churchie to point out that little gem.
But it doesn’t matter where it came from. The point remains the same whether it’s 400 years old or 40 minutes.
by brettgardner on Aug 31, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
The point
That others were making is that they want as little cross-over between the two as possible. The historical significance of that desire, the background, context, and quotes—-they’re all irrelevant. It’s an instant desire, not one that need be seeded in a rich tradition.
by brettgardner on Aug 31, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Historical context certainly is important – why do you think we have a written Constitution?
Christians shouldn’t go around ‘imposing’ their beliefs on others, but separation doesn’t mean that religious truth shouldn’t ever influence public policy (as mentioned, the Church has historically been instrumental in positively affecting public policy). Christians have the right for their voice to be heard as well as anyone else in the Republic.
God...
You really have poor comprehension skills.
For one, I don’t need a lecture on context or especially the Constitution from you.
Second, I said others wanted to see as little as possible, not a complete elimination, which is impossible.
I happen to agree with your underlying premise. I just think you’re annoying and aggravating.
by brettgardner on Sep 1, 2008 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you not say
that context is irrelevant? I don’t know what kind of comprehension skills you’re looking for if you don’t mean what you type.
I’m not lecturing you , but rather seeking to exchange ideas. I don’t mean to annoy you. Communication is already difficult enough in this type of forum.
Well
Context is not important for people who want to see as little interaction between the two as possible. That requires no background. The church and the state could each be a day old with that mindset. History and context are irrelevant in that case.
So you’re saying that context isn’t important if some of us don’t want it to be important. That’s not a very good prescription for order in society. “Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.”
Look, it was Christians who first formulated the principle of separation of church and state, beginning with Augustine’s distinction between the City of God and the City of Man. God has ordained government as a separate institution with its own distinctive purposes. Government is a civil function, not a church function. But that doesn’t mean that the Church should abdicate its role as the conscience of society and as a restraint against the misuse of governing authority.
Well
People disagree with you. There’s no reason for you to assume that your premises are correct.
Also, please please please try to understand what my point about context is. I can’t keep explaining it over and over again.
If you’re referring to things that I’ve mentioned from history, then those aren’t just premises, they are facts. But you’re certainly free to disagree.
No...
Your problem is that I’m following your bogus argument too well. The fact that you actually think science is where it is because of religion rather than in spite of it amuses me.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
So be amused
Here are more scientists who were Christians: Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Pascal. They believed that the world had an orderly structure that could be scientifically studied b/c it was created by an orderly God.
Only one civilization produced the experimental method we call science. That civilization was Europe at the end of the Middle Ages – a culture that was steeped in Christian faith.
Science writer Loren Eiseley says, “Experimental science began its discoveries…in the faith…that it was dealing with a rational universe controlled by a Creator who did not act upon whim.”
Science historian A.R. Hall insists that the idea of ‘laws’ in nature came from “the Hebraic and Christian belief in a deity who was at once Creator and Lawgiver.”
Sociologist R.K. Merton says that modern science owes its existence to Biblical moral obligation. God made the world, and we have an obligation to study it for His glory and for the benefit of mankind.
Those scholars are not Christains, yet they are expressing a consensus among historians that Christian faith actually propelled the development of modern science.
God created and sustains the natural laws that scientists appeal to in their theories. So scientists who reject Christianity are actually cutting off the branch that they’re sitting on.
Your missing the point...
as usual. Just because someone was a scientist and happened to be Christian doesn’t mean jack shit. Most people were in that time. Many were because they had to be or they were persecuted. I don’t think you really want to talk about history and Christinaity, especially in th Middle Ages. People had to be Christian then or else. Remember the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Hundered Years War, the list goes on. Many people didn’t have a choice in faith in Europe. that’s why religious freedom and seperation of church and state or important now. History has taught us to learn from our mistakes. Unfortunately there are still sheep like you who haven’t learned that.
And this statement… “God created and sustains the natural laws that scientists appeal to in their theories.” Is just ridiculous.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
So, is it your contention that "creationism" is science?
Because, you know, the entire scientific world considers evolution science.
Creationism, on the other hand, not so much.
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 30, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
No, creationism is not science. And no, the entire scientific world does not considers evolution science.
A ‘creationist’ is simply a person who believes that the world (and esp. mankind) was designed, and exists for a purpose. The Darwinist view (the official view of mainstream science) is opposed to the possibility that the natural world was designed by a Creator for a purpose. Evolutionists believe in naturalistic evolution, a purely materialistic process that has no direction and no conscious purpose.
If it's not science...
…then why the hell should it be taught along side science???
I just don’t understand people like you. Your very own forefathers (and mine) came to this continent so that the government would not interfere with their faith. Many, many decades later and the Constitution was written, complete with the establishment clause.
If you let religious ideas into publicly financed schools, you’re going to have to give them ALL equal time. I say leave them all out. It’s not the schools’ job to teach this stuff. That’s exactly what parents and churches are for, and when you get down to it, schools and school districts are bureaucracies and I don’t think you realize what would happen if they started teaching this stuff. No thanks.
And, yeah, the entire scientific community considers evolution a science. Evidence and data are collected, observations are made, experiments are devised and executed. It’s a subject of widespread and continuous study and will be long after you and I have departed this mortal coil.
by Black Francis on Aug 31, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand your point about not wanting to allow all religions into schools, but again, that’s not what I’m arguing. By that same reasoning we shouldn’t allow naturalistic evolution (and the Darwinian worldview that stems from it) to be taught on its own without the Creationist viewpoint as well.
Concerning the origin of life, is Darwinian evolution any more scientific than Creationism? Answer: Absolutely not.
Absolutely it is
There is a lot of evidence that supports micro and macro evolution. Basically, the strongest survive. Those organisms which acquire traits that are advantageous in terms of reproduction, self-defense, hunting, or what have you will thrive and continue to evolve.
If you think God created these changes by divine intervention, that cannot be tested and is not science. We can, however, observe and test gene mutations and all sorts of things. What you hold is a belief and there’s nothing wrong with that, but if we start teaching it in public schools we’re going to have a lot of problems.
Take your kids to church. Teach them yourself. Be a parent.
by Black Francis on Sep 1, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Natural Selection
Doesn’t/shouldn’t involve the origin of life. I don’t think anyone has come up with a scientifically valid theory for the beginning of life. This is why some believe in creationism while others (like me) choose to believe that life came from somewhere/something that hasn’t been explained.
Origin of Life
I seriously doubt it’s given anything more than a passing mention in high school biology. I’m sure they devote a chapter or maybe two to natural selection, but most of it is DNA and “what’s a nucleus?” and photosynthesis. Really basic stuff.
by Black Francis on Sep 1, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely not
Darwinian evolution can’t explain the origin of life, so concerning this issue, how can it be more scientific? It can’t.
Further, while there is certainly evidence of changes within a given species, there is no evidence of changes from one species to another (birds to mammals, apes to humans, etc.). There are no transitional (intermediate) forms.
The advance of science is not raising new challenges to Christian faith, as we are often told. Rather, it fails to support any naturalistic theory of life’s origin. What it does support is the idea of intelligent design. And that is what should be taught (maybe without even using the word ’God’) in schools.
Take your kids to church. Teach them yourself. Be a parent.
I do all these things – what does this have to do with the issue at hand?
I said it because
Natural selection and faith aren’t all that hard to reconcile, and parents are the best people to do that. If you leave it up to the school you’re asking for trouble whether or not God is ever mentioned, because God is exactly what’s implied. And it’s implied very strongly.
Darwin never attempted to explain the origin of life itself. There are people who have theories about that as I’m sure you’re aware, and it’s trying to be replicated in research labs across the world. If they pull off creating a simple organism out of the building blocks they think existed in the primordial ooze, then I still fail to see how that’s a threat to religion. God could have triggered that.
There is evidence of changes form species to species.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions
So when Darwinian evolution is taught, what is implied (if not explicitly stated)? There is no God. You’d rather that students be taught only that, without even being given the opportunity to hear about Intelligent Design? Sure they can be taught at home, but many of them aren’t, and even the ones that are constantly bombarded with the message of naturalistic evolution.
I repeat: There is no evidence of one species changing into another species. Darwinists use bad philosophy to cover up the problem. If our philosophy demands that small changes add up to big ones, then the scientific evidence is irrelevant. They need to provide not a philosophical principle, but a scientific theory of how macro-evolution can occur.
There is a lot to disagree with in this post.
There is no God.
Why does it mean that? Could God not have created evolution? Why is your view of Christianity so small and defensive? It is not necessary to believe that God created the world exactly as it is today anymore than it is necessary to believe it was created in 6 actual days Monday – Saturday, so to speak.
Sure they can be taught at home, but many of them aren’t, and even the ones that are constantly bombarded with the message of naturalistic evolution.
If they aren’t taught at home it is not the school’s responsibility to play parent and pick up the slack. It is also not the school’s responsibility to make sure kids’ faith isn’t tested. What kind of weak faith withstands no test or can’t reason out thoughts about evolution?
As for your second paragraph, you are confusing both faith and science with knowing all the answers. Some things are just unknowable, or at least close to it. That is why both faith and science exist.
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Evolution
as it is typically presented in textbooks and museums, confuses science with naturalistic philosophy. Many secular scientists even insist that only naturalistic explanations qualify as science. The naturalistic worldview claims that the universe is the product of blind, purposeless forces.
wow...
…i don’t see natural selection as blind and purposeless…
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Curious
How many Biology textbooks have you combed through? I happen to have a lot of experience in that area, and I’m curious where your great weight of authority lies.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Evolution and God
It absolutely does not imply that there’s no God. It is what it is. People got scared of the whole theory a long time ago and deemed it heretical, though.
In my mind, God created the whole system. Science attempts to explain how it works. I don’t see a contradiction there.
There is evidence of in the fossil record of sea animals with leg-like appendages as well as a growing body of evidence that the birds of today are descended from dinosaurs.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
You are incredibly stupid
Who are these ‘experts’?
Richard Dawkins comes to mind.
Read this book and reconsider your position: it’s truly laughable.
I want to persuade the reader, not just that the Darwinian world-view happens to be true, but that it is the only known theory that could, in principle, solve the mystery of our existence.
http://www.amazon.com/Blind-Watchmaker-Evidence-Evolution-Universe/dp/0393315703/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220141744&sr=8-1
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by inactive lsb user on Aug 30, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I see
that you’re another champion of civil discourse.
Richard Dawkins? An expert on the origin of life? Admittedly he is one of the most influential figures in evolutionary science, but he is a rabid anti-Christian who religiously promotes atheism. The Blind Watchmaker talks about biology, but its main thrust is a sustained argument for atheism.
Since we’re into recommending books, may I suggest Phillip E. Johnson’s Darwin on Trial, Michael Behe’s Darwin’s Black Box, and also Behe’s latest, The Edge of Evolution: The Search for the Limits of Darwinism.
Btw
What makes you think that the Darwinian worldview is true? And how does it solve the mystery of our existence?
hey 4Him
I have essentially the exact same views as you, you’re the first one like me on here. Do you know of Bryan College in Tennessee? Should I consider going there?
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
…was that creationism as an origin of life should be taught side-by-side with the theory of evolution in public schools, not that the Bible should be taught in public schools. And who are "these people" who can’t teach math?
Concerning religion and government, what you need to understand is that our nation has a strong Christian heritage. By its very nature, government is power-seeking and tries to generate its own moral legitimacy for its decisions. Yet history reveals that government needs an independent conscience, an effective moral resistance, and the church has been the institution that has best fulfilled that role. Government needs the moral vision of the church, and the church mustn’t abdicate its all-important role. As a Christian you should know that Christianity should be out in the marketplace of ideas.
Those people who have a lot of trouble teaching math are obviously math teachers. I don’t want someone that’s gone no further than an undergraduate degree in education to teach anything to do with God or Faith. Some would evangelize, some would mock it, and it would turn out to be a big mess in general.
Don’t be so arrogant as to imply that I do not understand that this nation is largely Christian and always has been. Our government is elected, and nobody said politicians can’t base their own morality on their faith, whatever their faith may be. The church IS in the marketplace of ideas.
Institutionalizing faith is another matter entirely, though. Keep it out of the law, and preserve freedom of speech. We’ll be fine. Seriously.
Anyway, you know as well as I do that BOTH government and churches are power-seeking, so I sure don’t know why you’d want them to get all mixed up together. The worst of both would come out on top.
by Black Francis on Aug 31, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
We seem to have been talking past each other somewhat.
My “What you need to understand” was in response to your “What you have to understand” from above (no arrogance intended). Concerning government, I’m not talking about some kind of “moral majority” power play, but rather approaching the State on the basis of principles that stem from a Christian world view (as has happened throughout our history).
You are correct in saying that the Church is in the marketplace of ideas, but there is a very powerful movement to eradicate its influence in all areas of society. You can sense that desire in many of the posters on this very thread.
…the Church is in the marketplace of ideas, but there is a very powerful movement to eradicate its influence in all areas of society.
I wouldn’t agree with that at all.
by Black Francis on Sep 1, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Neither would I
Actually I think their is a hugely misguided movement to dramatically assert the church’s influence in public life.
There has never been a time in history when religion dominated government that there wasn’t massive opression, murder, torture, wars, persecution, etc. This is true of Christian goverments as well as any other religion. Religion and government just do not mix. You are putting the entire country in the hands of a few fanatical people with extreme views and giving them power to force everyone to share their views. And it’s pretty foolish to think that’s ok as long as they share you views. If the country were to become more of a plurality of religions and Muslims started calling for more Islamic facets to be included in government the Christian Coalition would be forced to reexamine their stance on religion in public life.
It’s a slippery slope. Are things like prayers over the PA system before a football game really that important? Would 4him be ok with that prayers if it was led by a Muslim? A Pagan? You cannot have the government ok a prayer from just one religion.
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War on Christmas
The assertion that there’s a movement to eradicate religion from our culture is just a way to force religion into the public dialogue, and it’s not a very good way to do it in my opinion. Why do some people (Bill O’Reilly Jr’s) think they have to set up this straw man? What’s wrong with the old way of evangelizing? You know, helping people out and stuff like that. I know that most individual churches do help those in their community, and what the regional and national leadership of these denominations should do is promote and highlight that activity to show the rest of the world that Christians are kind and generous people. This “culture wars” nonsense pisses me off. It does nothing to serve God and in the end will actually drive people away from the Church. Like me. I don’t go to church because of this kind of bullshit. I don’t want to put my offering in the plate having no idea what it’s ultimately is used for, and I don’t want to hang around with a bunch of people who don’t even question it
End of rant..
by Black Francis on Sep 1, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
BF
If you don’t recognize that secularists are systematically seeking to drive Christian influence out of society, then I don’t know what to tell you. There are too many examples to enumerate here.
P.S. If you are a Christian then you should go to church – for your sake and for the sake of others (and for God’s glory). You can surely find a good, Bible-believing one. And if you don’t know what the offering is being used for, then find out – church leaders need to be accountable to their people. In short, if you see hypocrisy or other negative influences in the church, then be a change agent in that place, but by all means don’t stay away.
4H
You’ve been watching too much Bill O’Reilly and Pat Robertson.
As for going to church, perhaps when I have a family. My mother got kicked out of a church when I was little and she was far, from from a rabble rouser. She simply asked why the pastor got a new car and a Hawaiian vacation every year. Then it was suddenly a huge issue that she was divorced and was harassed until she decided not to go anymore. Later in life I was sitting in a church service and suddenly the preacher started telling people who to vote for. On the way out I talked to several people about it and it wasn’t long before I got some flat-out threatening answering machine messages. So a few months later I started going to another church, and everything was fine for a while. It so happened that my cousin, who I was very close to, died of AIDS on a Friday and that Sunday I was greeted with an “all gays are going to hell” sermon.
You advise me to go to church and be an agent of change. That doesn’t work when you’re dealing with faith, at least not when you’re an outsider. And I’m not going to sit through a whole bunch of crazy sermons so I can make friends in a church for the sole purpose of leading an ideological coup de tat.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry to hear
about your bad experiences with churches. I know that can be very discouraging. There are good ones out there. Having said that, no church is perfect, as each one consists of fellow sinners (albeit saved by grace).
I’m not suggesting being an agent of change should be your primary reason for attending somewhere – that can only happen when you’ve been somewhere for awhile and really feel at home there.
Btw, I never watch Bill O’Reilly or Pat Robertson. :-)
Each church consists of fellow sinners.
Exactly why I don’t want religion taught in the school. If taught in the home I know who is doing the teaching. If taught at church, at least I can pick the sinners teaching it. Most people have to rely on simple geography for schools and have no choice in teachers.
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Hmm?
The both have the same root.
For what it’s worth, most people don’t learn anything in school, and rely on their parents, culture and own curiosity to constitute their education.
Why can’t we stick to real science in public school, and keep fairy tales where we store most of the dregs of society—private school?
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
you want to...
teach MY kid intelligent design?!… if so, then i think your kid should have to read the koran in church on sunday for two weeks a year… it seems like decent trade…
just so they get THE IDEA of other religions…
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Exactly
and Intelligent Design is religion and doesn’t belong there. They are not two different things, although people pushing ID like to pretend they are.
As I’ve said before, ID, prayer in schools, etc. these are NOT the things Christians should bo focusing their attention on. Invite people to church instead of trying to inject church into the school.
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well...
…the point i was making is that if you are MAKING my kid listen to something i’d rather he didn’t somewhere he shouldn’t… i wouldn’t mind you doing the same… find a cheap private school that teaches what you want… or find a public school systems that teaches what you want… but changing public schools nationally is just ludacris…
at that point the responsiblity is on the parents to teach their children anything outside the scope of whats taught in school, which should remain scientific in nature…
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huh
Btw, I never watch Bill O’Reilly or Pat Robertson. :-)
Well, if you don’t, then you listen to people who do.
I wouldn’t expect any churches to be perfect, but these that I went to had elements of EVIL in them. Yeah. Evil. Bigotry is evil. So forget it. Maybe if I move north again I’ll try, but down here it’s been a swing and a miss every time. So I’ll keep things personal. There’s no way I can get comfortable in that environment.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Who wants religion to dominate government? What “Christian governments” are you talking about? We’re not talking about trying to create a theocracy here.
As mentioned above, government is a civil function, not a church function. That’s why Christians have often been the greatest defenders of religious liberty – for all faiths.Compare the Western model of government, shaped historically by Christianity, with an Islamic model of government, which recognizes no distinction between Church and State and which often greatly oppresses and persecutes religious minorities.
The point is that the Church needs to be able to maintain its voice – as the conscience of society and as a restraint against the misuse of governing authority.
Concerning prayer at school-sponsored events, there are definitely bigger issues than that. But if there was opposition to someone saying a public prayer, then having a moment of silence (so that everyone could pray to whomever he/she wished, or not at all) would probably be the way to go.
Erroneous
“That’s why Christians have often been the greatest defenders of religious liberty – for all faiths.”
No, much more frequently, they have not been.
“Compare the Western model of government, shaped historically by Christianity, with an Islamic model of government, which recognizes no distinction between Church and State and which often greatly oppresses and persecutes religious minorities.”
True, Islam recognizes no distinctiion between Church and State. However, Islam has historically been very tolerant of the other faiths. The Koran mandates this. Witness the Ottoman Empire or the Moors in Spain.
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too bad...
…i missed the acceptance speech… i was trying to stop hurleyhurler from spiking the punch.
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No, much more frequently, they have not been.
Please explain.
However, Islam has historically been very tolerant of the other faiths.
You’ve got to be kidding. That’s why Muslims are killing Christians, Jews and fellow Muslims in many countries of the world, right?
yeah...
…a christian has NEVER killed a muslin… for being religious you sure are pretty short on your history… there was this little thing called the crusades where christians killed muslims just for being muslim…. but hey… they deserved it… they were on our land before we thought it was ours…
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You use the term ‘Christian’ very loosely. When I use the term, I’m referring to evangelical Christians. Those involved in the Crusades were ‘religious’, and the Crusades were certainly a terrible time in history. But that was 1000 years ago – is that the best you have?
alright...
first i don’t use the term losely at all, i think you shy away from being pinned for something you personally didn’t do based on what you belief to be a GOOD association with religion… just like its kinda silly to paint all muslims as killers of jews and christians just based on their muslim belief…
just as you see the crusades as a “catholic” thing… there are many different sects within the muslim religion and they aren’t ALL to blame for violence perpetrated against the entire world…
and just because something 1000 years ago… and not within the last two years doesn’t mean its not important, don’t be a short sighted american… at least open up to that…
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That's right
most Muslims aren’t like the radical ones who do the killing (I guess I should have put the word ‘radical’ before the word ‘Muslims’ in my comment above). And as I said, the Crusades were a terrible time in history.
Now how about evangelical Christians of the contemporary world – are they not for religious liberty of all faiths?
T Ball gave several good examples for me.
If you want more a recent one, I’d point you to the consistently and systematically intolerant behavior Christians have displayed towards Jews in most of the Western world until pretty recently.
And you seem to use the term Christian only in manners that suit your myopic agenda.
You condemn all Muslims for the acts of a few, and then turn around and cry foul when the transgressions of a few Christians are equated with the same.
You seem to get most of your history from the pulpit.
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by Brian Thomas on Sep 2, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Re. Muslims – see above
What Christians have been consistently and systematically intolerant toward Jews?
Ugh. The ridiculousness of that question floors me.
Are you SERIOUSLY denying that Jews haven’t been subjected to overt bigotry and discrimination by the Christian majorities they resided with?
Really?
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by Brian Thomas on Sep 2, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
There are countless examples
of Christians not upholding religious liberty in history. Have you not heard of the Protestant Reformation? The Crusades? The Inquisition? Anti-Semitism?
You cannot be an honest Christians if you’re not willing to acknowledge the faults of its more radical practitioners.
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I’m not following you here: The Protestant reformation was a reformation of the Catholic Church. The Inquisition was exclusively within the Catholic Church. The Crusades – see above. Anti-Semitism – what do you mean?
Wow.
So, Catholics aren’t Christians? The Protestant Reformation included a lot of intolerance from both sides, and was only necessary because of the church’s own corruption. If you want protestant intolerance look at your own statement above, which seems to imply that only Catholics have behaved badly withint Christianity.
Also, protestants burned witches in Salem, lynched blacks in the south, discriminated liberally against Jews in Europe and America for hundreds of years, and frequently insult every other religion.
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I'll go with
Ben’s answer above. I don’t know much about the topic myself. But, I did read the link and didn’t get the impression that she wanted to discredit the teaching of evolution. She was just open to a classroom debate. I don’t think that’s bad thing.
by Randy Richardson on Aug 30, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay, there is way too much to respond to
on this post already, but I skimmed it.
First of all, you have to be dumb to really think that the McCain campaign is putting all of its hope of winning this election on this pick, and her bringing in the disenfranchised hillary vote. No VP is really going to make that much of a difference, we all know that.
What this will do, is give McCain more of a bump than Obama got from Biden, and I’ll tell you why. Biden is a guy that, for people who are even susceptible to being swayed by the VP selection, isn’t that interesting to people. They’ve seen him, they’ve seen that he wasn’t picked by his party to be their nominee, he’s just not that impressive to them. Palin is someone that people don’t know about, and the sheer curiosity about her will cause people to take a closer look at the Republican ticket.
She is well spoken, fresh, young and someone that people should be able to trust. Isn’t that the most important thing in a VP? You just have to trust that they’re going to be capable in case they’re called to serve the highest office. She has 60+ days to earn that trust, and she will be fine.
I think she’s just as good, if not a better pick than Biden. Democrats would be really dumb to make too much of an issue out of the “inexperience” thing. Sure, she’s a “heartbeat away from the presidency” (as some Obama spokesman just said), but there is a huge difference between the inexperience of the no.2 and the inexperience of the no.1. Hell, she has more executive experience than all 3 of the other guys, right? There was a reason that Obama didn’t talk about experience in his speech last night.
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+1
I think she’s just as good, if not a better pick than Biden. Democrats would be really dumb to make too much of an issue out of the "inexperience" thing. Sure, she’s a "heartbeat away from the presidency" (as some Obama spokesman just said), but there is a huge difference between the inexperience of the no.2 and the inexperience of the no.1. Hell, she has more executive experience than all 3 of the other guys, right? There was a reason that Obama didn’t talk about experience in his speech last night.
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Good points
I think both Biden and Palin shore up weaknesses (inexperience and age, respectively), and thus appear to admit that they were weaknesses to begin with.
I don't think Palin can hold a candle to Biden's 26 years on the foriegn relations committee.
Biden personally know and has dealt with every head of state in every country in the world. He has negotiated with them in times of crisis and has worked to maintain the integrity of the US on the world stage for the past three decades.
would he negogiate with the leaders of iran with no preconditions?
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
yet obama will
hmmmm
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope so
as opposed to McCain who seems to want to bomb first and ask questions later.
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he won't ask questions
no second-guessing there
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you do know why that country hates us right?
they have pretty good reasons.
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-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
You know
that no country anywhere can possibly have reason to hate us. We can set up dictatorships in their countries, and arm their dictators, but it doesn’t give their people the right to hate us. We are the USA! We are allowed to kill other countries democratically elected leaders if we want to. People around the world should love us, and if they don’t, they are ungrateful bastards.
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by DJCahill on Aug 30, 2008 6:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay...
Can Obama hold a candle to Biden’s experience?
Can he hold a candle to McCain’s experience on the Senate Armed Services Committee?
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The experience factor is the obvious issue for Obama, and it is obvious that is why he choes Biden.
Obama has wisdom and judgement far beyond his years and I think that is his edge over McCain.
"wisdom and judgement"
good job pulling that one from Obama’s speech from last night.
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I think we could use a heaping helping of wisdom and judgement after the last eight years
of incompetence of McCain/Bush and their failed policies.
i think we could use someone
who is not the least qualified nominee in the history of our country
…but thats just me…
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
how could bush have less experience than the least qualified nominee in history? if your agreeing its a given
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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
judgement and "temperment" was the speeches line
temperment was a very interesting word to use. it touched on something i think a lot of people have seen in mccain.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
This already has like 300 comments
Insane, I think this place gets more comments than Dailykos.
Whats next in Adam’s blog empire, Cowboys and politics blogs??
What's the address
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by oc on Aug 29, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
You made your bed, you have to lie in it!
I think HH is one of the hardest blogs to get banned from, LL the easiest. You must have rubbed a certain Rev Halofan the wrong way. LOL
see... but, Jeff forgives and forgets.
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I really have no idea why you were banned from HH, I don't recall you commenting there.
if you have been banned from HH once and LL twice, it seems you must have a pattern of bad behavior? After you refered to me as “Nancy” in your previous comments, I really don’t have much sympathy for your case. Just saying.
Think he got banned
for posting a .gif of Hitler eating a watermelon. Unless there’s more to the story I’d call that a very weak reason for banning.
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This is too reminiscent of the Dan Quayle pick
If I’m a Democrat, I can’t wait till the vice presidential debate, which Biden will completely overwhelm her in.
I can see it now, she tries to compare herself to Hillary Clinton. Biden responds “Governor, I served with Hillary Clinton. I knew Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton was a friend of mine. Governor, you’re no Hillary Clinton.”
FWIW, It didnt work for Mondale, and I dont see it working for McCain. I would’ve rather seen him pick someone like Romney, but this takes away their strongest argument on Obama about inexperience.
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meh
she could respond with…
“Mr. Biden, you’ve been a leader on the Foreign Relations committee for years, yet other countries are now viewing the US as an unapologetic bully. While I am new to foreign relations policies having come from a governorship, I cannot help but help think that things could not be much worse than they currently are under your watch in the Foreign Relations committee.”
Mondale was a complete chump going against the People’s Champ in Reagan. Mondale could have run with Jesus H. Christ, and he would’ve lost.
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Biden's response: Maybe you should share that sentiment w/ your running mate.
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 29, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
and i'm sure
Palin would say to direct his “lack of foreign relations experience jab” at his running mate.
It’s an odd election where both VP’s actually are weaknesses that negate the candidates’ abilities to go after the other candidate.
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whats biden's weakness?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
his weakness is that
Obama’s whole message of change and something new in Washington is dampened by picking a career legislator. I understand WHY he picked him (just like I understand why McCain picked Palin), but both of the choices hurt them in a way in their ability to attack the other candidate.
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or she could also just say
John McCain isn’t responsible for the Foreign Relations committee’s shortcomings.
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Hopefully, you understand what a weakass response that would be
Seriously, McCain is the biggest hawk since Ghengis fucking Khan.
McCain = pro-unapolegetic foreign policy bullydom.
That line of attack would get her skewered, and justifiably so.
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 29, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
McCain may be a war-hawk
but Biden IS the foreign relations committee. He HAS to take some responsibility for the image of America due to that position and his role in backing Iraq all along.
At the end of the day, we are talking about foreign relations.
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Heh.
Mondale could have run with Jesus H. Christ, and he would’ve lost.
Nice to hear a conservative finally admit that the most liberal thinker of His day would run as a Democrat.
by Athos on Aug 29, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol.
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You would make a piss poor political adviser.
Mr. Biden has been a leader in the senate for thirty years, but not the leader of the Foreign Relations committee any where near all that time. He is certainly NOT responsible for the “worse” situation things currently are in.
The Republicans have had the majority in congress since 1996, and until 2006. The majority party appoints members of its own party to head all committees in congress. The head of these committees decide what will be discussed and ultimately which legislation will be forwarded to the floor for a vote. The senate majority leader (Republican last ten years) decides if the bill will even be allowed on the floor for a vote. If the bill passes it goes to the President (Republican last seven years) for signing into law or veto.
So don’t go trying to pin the failures and incompetency in policy of the Bush administration and his rubber stamp Republican congress on the Democratic Vice Presidential Candidate from Delaware.
I think Biden's been on that committee for nearly 10 years
and in a leadership role maybe 1/2 the time.
Note that I said “a leader”…not “the leader”, you ignorant fool.
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ha
you are pathetic. No response so you answer like a 2nd grader.
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so i just want a little acknowledgement that you understand that biden was lead or SFRC since 2006.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
i want you to just shut the fuck up
he was the minority leader on the committee for some time as well (pre-2006). That is why I said “a leader” and not “the leader”.
Don’t you have a funeral somewhere to be dancing about? You are no different than the terrorists who danced in the street after 9/11, you worthless piece of shit.
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by willamos2 on Aug 30, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow...
…and we’ve now delved into “you’re no better than the terrorits” hour… i dunno how that became such a go to for republicans… you don’t agree with MY fundamentalist ideals, therefore you must be the other BAD fundamentalists…. awesome.
and you are horrible debater.
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sorry, you guys evidently don't have the background
Jayslick was celebrating Tony Snow dying…saying that it was a day that we should celebrate.
Anybody that has that little respect for human life deserves the comparison.
It has nothing to do with politics.
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Well
It’s also the same thing as celebrating Hitler dying. Do you have a problem with that?
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
?
It’s really not even much of an analogy. You’re talking about celebrating someone dying. I think any celebration of death is pretty sick. So my question is: would you celebrate a horrible person’s death? If so, I don’t see how you have the moral high ground.
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
no, i'm talking about celebrating death of someone
who is not a horrible person.
I would think that Tony Snow would fall more in line with victims of 9/11 (innocent) than Adolf Hitler (horrible person).
I thought that was self-explanatory, but I forgot that you have to spell EVERYTHING out for you or else you just nitpick and argue in semantics.
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Hmm?
You completely did not get my point. Go back and try again.
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
oh, sorry...i'll answer literally then
No, I do not really even celebrate horrible people dying, but that is much more easy to stomach then seeing people getting excited about a guy like Tony Snow dying.
If you think I wouldn’t be saying the same thing if someone had been celebrating George Stephanopoulos’ hypothetical death, you are mistaken.
It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with being a decent human being.
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x
I never said anything about politics or the partisanship of the person’s death being celebrated.
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
then just deal with my response
above to your question about celebrating the death of a horrible person and move along.
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You're right
its more like celebrating Joseph Goebbels dying.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
I know....
you’re just trying to be funny, but that’s just wrong. Please stop it.
his quote RE: Snow (among others):
trample on the dead? shit! dance in songs of joy.
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FWIW i also wasnt too proken up when jesse helms passed
into a world we dont have to deal with.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
there's a difference between
not mourning or feeling sorrowful and dancing in songs of joy.
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well lets just say
there are these things called euphemisms.
duran duran wasnt literally “hungry like a wolf” and lionel richie didnt literally mean “dancing on the ceiling”
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
I think this is a pretty good pick for the GOP...
certainly better than Romney, Huckabee, Giuliani, or Lieberman would have been.
Those that think Palin will bring the “Hillary voter” over though are mistaken. Also doesn’t help in any crucial state to the election. The reason I think it will help the Rep ticket is because she is new, fresh, and without scandal. It will be interesting to her her speech at the RNC.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I think one of the interesting things
is the whole “deliver a state” with your VP obviously didn’t come into play. Obviously, Alaska is as safe as they come for Reps.
She definitely will win the bathing suit competition against Biden.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
maybe for pres.
but stevens isn’t winning his re-election bid
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Well
there’s a damn good reason for that one, too.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
So we have the least-healthy presidential candidate in God-knows-how-long
and he chooses some woman a decade removed from heading PTA meetings in bum-fuck Alaska as his running mate? It’s so horridly irresponsible, I don’t know where to start.
He’s 72. Presidents age twice as fast as the general public. He’s had cancer surgery on several occasions, and cancer 4 times. And his presidential running mate is a woman who has been governor for a year and a half for a state with a population 1/4th that of LOS ANGELES?
Only the most shallow Hillary voters on the planet…total morons…would choose her instead of Obama on the ‘female’ argument, since they are total opposites.
And for God’s sake, if McCain so desperately wanted a female, it’s not like there isn’t an experienced female in the entire damn Republican Party. Kay Bailey Hutchinson, for example, comes to mind.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 4:00 PM CDT reply actions
OK...
your first sentence…“some woman”. I mean come on, she is a Gov for crying out loud, lighten up.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I know who she is
unlike 90% of America, I also knew who she was BEFORE today…which says about all that need-be-said. She’s a political nobody, like it or not.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
And McCain has like 60 days to get the nation to become acquainted and comfortable with her who
will be a heartbeat away from assuming the presidency. Good Luck! It took Obama 19 months to even get as familiar as he is with the voting public. This is a huge gamble and quite likely a big mistake by McCain.
i don't think
Kay Bailey wanted it. She’s lined up for governor next term.
I just don’t see this “NO EXPERIENCE” argument really sticking…even coupled with the “MCCAIN’S HALF-DEAD” argument. If Obama was more experienced, I could totally see the trouble for Republicans, but Obama’s been a Senator for 4 years, 2 of which he’s spent campaigning.
People acting like the country would spontaneously combust if Palin had to fill in McCain need to look in the fucking mirror.
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Well
when you say “people acting like…” “…need to look in the mirror,” it certainly implies that I was overlooking my own candidate’s short comings, since I am one of those “people acting like…”
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
it was a reply to you
but it was more of a reply to everyone who keeps questioning her inexperience while ignoring Obama’s.
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her experience makes obamas look like he's tip f'n oneill
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
or teddy kennedy.
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
I'd also like to say
that Obama’s inexperience was an obvious issue before now…one that the Republicans DID NOT need to make an issue for themselves with their pick…but they not only made it an issue, they actually went out and found maybe the ONE pick they could have possibly made that is LESS experienced than Obama.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Considering where our season is
and what midseason trades we made,
its all we got to talk about.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
At least you are not as bad as the Mariners or Athletics, which is'nt saying much.
And the Rangers are more fun to watch than either of those teams.
Thanks for the backhanded compliment
I am overcome by your magnaminity…
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 29, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
The M's and A's
are probably the two most boring teams to watch in baseball, though the Padres and Giants may give them a good run.
except I don't think she's less experienced
and it’s not any greater of a mistake than Obama trying to “change” Washington by naming a lifetime DC politician.
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Let's see
just under 4 years as a United States Senator, preceded by 8 years as a state senator of one of the largest by-population states in the country.
vs.
just under 2 years as governor of the 49th-ranked by-population state (about the size of Fresno, California), preceded by 6 years of being mayor of a town the size (literally) of my high school.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
i would think that being a governor
counts for more than being a legislator. You actually have to make decisions as a governor…you can’t just show up and vote.
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Pffft
It’s alaska, you got about less folks than some Mayors, you got money flowing in from the Oil Companies, and give rebate checks, rather than taxes to residents.
Dallas Mayor is a tougher job.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
"Dallas Mayor is a tougher job."
Somewhere around 150 million Americans have better jobs than mayor of Dallas. That just sucks.
Mayor of Dallas
I wish we’d go for a strong Mayor here. The job as it is now is impossible.
by Black Francis on Aug 29, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
So the governor has to
“make decisions” and a senator just has to “show up and vote?”
sounds like you’re just wording the same thing, two different ways to suit your own point.
She makes decisions that effect a state’s population the size of a mid-tier city. Obama, at the very least, works in conjunction with others on the national level, making decisions that change the face of our entire country, and works with/meets with foreign officials to steer decisions that have consequences for the entire world. Not 500,000 lumberjacks and fishermen.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
i think you are overstating Obama's
“meetings with foreign officials to steer decisions that have consequences for the entire world”.
I’d ask for examples, but I’m not even sure there is 1.
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Okay
the Lugar-Obama bill, expanding the Lugar-Nunn plan to help Russia and the United States reduce their conventional and nuclear weapons programs.
Or his 2005 meeting with Russian officials about matters of national and economic security to the region when Russia turned off a gas line supplying Ukraine with a large portion of its national gas, and threatening economic balance in the region (also with Lugar).
Or his trip to Kenya, in which he called on the public to do its part to turn back the effects of years of government corruption, practically saying to President Mwai Kibaki that he should be held accountable for his government’s irresponsibility in leading.
He was also THE sponsor for legislation signed in 2006 by President Bush that aimed at promoting security and democracy in the Congo.
I’m not saying this is THE guy to go to for experience, foreign or domestic, but Jesus…he’s done a hell of a lot more than some person who’s spent 2 years signing legislation to expand salmon fishing quotas.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Guess Mccain
never had to do anything but show up and vote.
And get shot down.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
Well, I'm pretty sure that
Obama’s been a Senator for 4 years, 2 of which he’s spent campaigning.
counts for a little more than being mayor of a small town and Governor of Alaska for a year and a half. I don’t really see the latter as being in the same ballpark. Throw in Obama’s 7 years of experience in the Illinois Senate and I really don’t see it.
I’m not saying Obama is the most experienced guy in the world, but saying his experience is comparable to Palin’s is inaccurate at best and intellectually dishonest at worst.
I think when you throw in the fact that
Obama is asking to be the President (while Palin – just the VP) more than makes up for any slight edge Obama has in experience.
I just really feel like Obama would have been better served waiting 4 years (or 8 years if Hillary had the overall election) before running so that he’d have something to run off of in terms of a track record. Even if his experience is more pronounced and lengthier than Palin’s, focusing on that as a weakness only calls into question his own lack of experience.
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“Obama is asking to be the President (while Palin – just the VP) more than makes up for any slight edge Obama has in experience.”
The problem, again, with this is the INCREDIBLY REAL (more real than in any election in the recent past) possibility that McCain could very well not live to the end of his first term.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
which will seem
incredibly macabre for Obama or Biden to insinuate.
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You don't have to say
what everyone is already thinking.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, Obama should have waited
If he had stayed in the Senate until 2012 as a non-conforming senator, he’d easily have won in 2012. With one huge problem – Hillary Clinton would have been president, and he wouldn’t have been able to unseat her. That means he would have to wait until 2016. His entire politics of change approach would be awkward coming from a guy who’s been in Washington for 12 years. 2008 always made sense. It’d have been nice if he’d done more in those four years though.
That said, you shouldn’t require your vice president to be as experienced as a presidential candidate, but they should have enough experience in an emergency – and she barely passes that test. The “its only Alaska” comment is stupid – if Alaska shouldn’t count as a real state, take away its star and give make it a territory again. (also, if Katherine Sebelius was chosen by Obama, I doubt anyone would say “Its only Kansas.”) And Alaska, while small in population, is a logistics nightmare. One can argue that governor of Alaska is a heluva lot harder job than governor of Texas.
But the 2 years in widely elected office is worrisome, not because its irrelevant time, but because everyone is loved after their first two years. Most politicians are clean as a whistle when first elected, and few of them have been challenged with dire situations. Most politician like Biden or McCain have had scandals, but they lived through them because they are strong. Obama hasn’t been vetted by time, but Palin really hasn’t been vetted by time.
FYI: Mary Kay Bailey and McCain detest each other
Also, she is a devoted Bush loyalist, which would kind of hurt his “I’m nothing like Bush, really I’m not” campaign strategy.
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 29, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly...
she was never a realistic option for McCain.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
that and she's old enough
she may have fit with Romney, who is a young man. But McCain/Kay Bailey would look like most voters grandparents. Not a good idea.
Palin
Ballsy pick by McCain. The pressure is on Palin to prove herself worthy to the task. Makes for a more interesting campaign.
by Randy Richardson on Aug 29, 2008 4:36 PM CDT reply actions
Drilling
This pick will make the oil companies cream their pants, that’s for sure. I bet that’s a big reason she’s on the ticket. McCain thinks he can appeal to voters with this “drill here, drill now” bullshit.
Ironically there’s a hurricane bearing down on the gulf coast and the last two mornings speculators have tried to push the price up and it hasn’t worked. Crude closed down $.19 today. But it still illustrates the point that drilling off-shore isn’t without a lot of risk.
And it’s not a solution. If the Democrats can just teach the American people a little bit about how the real oil market works, they’ll know drilling isn’t an effective strategy in the short or long term. I think they can do that, and that’s one of the biggest pillars of McCain’s campaign.
In other news, I was reading around on McCain’s site last night and it looks like he’s trying to build his networks state-by-state. It’s a little late for that, and he doesn’t have the churches to do it for him this time. Meanwhile Obama has STRONG organizations in all important states because of his long battle with Clinton. A blessing in disguise. The Democrats are really going to get out the vote this time.
I don’t care what the polls say or what the most recent bounce is. This is a Democratic year, and unless Obama screws this up it’s his election to lose. Too many things are working in his favor.
There really is no reason McCain should win this election
I think Schumer’s description of the Palin pick as a Hail Mary is apropos. It is possible though that she can win him the election, something that I doubt Romney or Pawlenty could have done. If she is charismatic, if she shows to be knowledgeable on foreign policy (heck, and domestic policy, if she can hold her own against Biden, if she is broadly appealing to women… then yeah, she can swing the election. But that is a lot of ’if’s
Given the political climate, the Democrats would have trounced the Republicans in a traditional white male governor /white male vs white male vice president/white male election. Things have gotten really mixed up though, with the first black candidate, the first female candidate with even a slight chance of winning, a guaranteed Senator president. Its going to be an odd election.
Agreed
You can’t really rule anything out and it’s definitely different, but McCain and Palin and their campaign people are going to have to work some real magic to be on top by election day. All those little things that the news doesn’t report but are VERY important are all working against them (on the ground organization). The GOP doesn’t sound like they’re thrilled with McCain and the evangelicals certainly aren’t, so they have to be asking themselves “how in the hell can we get this done?”. Both sides have plenty of money for advertising…the difference may very well be mobilization which has always worked in the GOP’s favor until now.
by Black Francis on Aug 29, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Sigh.....
“speculators have tried to push the price and it hasn’t worked.”
How do you know these evil speculators weren’t trying to push the price down?
If the folks that taught you how oil markets work are the ones you want to “teach the American people” then I’m sure they’ll end up as confused as you. Not a good thing.
oil experts have testified before congress this term that the price of oil would drop immediately 50% if they corrected the oil speculation laws.
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-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
are these the same...
….“oil experts” that say the profits the oil companies are earning are completely justified by the “years” they spent on r&d to “get to this point”…
exxon-mobil is making $5 million an HOUR right now… tell me how that makes sense?
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Then buy some XOM.
If you think the company’s a cash cow, obviously you can take part in the profit-taking.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Wow....
$5MM and hour? I didn’t realize it was that much. You have proven me wrong. Shame on them. Let’s redistribute that wealth!!!!
isn't it reasonable
that if the price of a commodity goes up while the price of producing stays the same, the seller will reap greater profits? This is also true for farmers who are currently making lots of money from the rising price of corn, wheat, etc. I don’t hear any calls for removing the subsidies for farmers or raising their taxes.
by Randy Richardson on Aug 30, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Those damn farmers!
Let’s put a windfall profits tax on them!
I don't like farm subsidies
One of the few instances where I would break with my party.
by Black Francis on Aug 30, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Both parties
should be hanging their heads in shame over the farm bill.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
Wrong way to measure
You cannot talk about dollar amounts with such a large company. Is their profit MARGIN excessive?
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
When a hurricane is approaching a bunch of offshore rigs
what I said makes perfect sense. It’s not that they TRY to make the price higher, but that’s exactly what happens when they all freak out. Fortunately other market forces are at play and the USD is a little stronger these days so even though there was some freaking out in the morning, things got more sensible as each day progressed.
by Black Francis on Aug 30, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Can we all at least agree that she should not be the president of child-naming?
Track, Trig, Bristol, Willow, and Piper
Lord.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 5:30 PM CDT reply actions
Maybe she plays video games
Those sounds like video game names to me. Or maybe dog names. Or, hell, some of them even fit as nicknames, but not one of them make sense as a given first name. Weird.
Oh well. The VP’s job isn’t to name shit.
by Black Francis on Aug 29, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
those are their christian birth names im sure.
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-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Man I sure am glad SBNation linked up all the sites
cause I just can’t get enough of all these butt sucking Angel fans coming over here and droping big wet juicy gobs of enlightenment all over us.
Tell me more of your awesome opinions, won’t you, douche bag?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 29, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Already have several times in the discussion
thanks for playing.
Game Over
Insert Coin(s)
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh my god that was stupid
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by thedirkatron on Aug 29, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
You're an idiot
Nothing is worse than dolts like you. You add nothing. You exist just to try to get a rise out of people and you’re proud of it. Well… Congratulations on being stupid and worthless, I guess.
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by thedirkatron on Aug 29, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
My point was
I’m not posting here to get a rise out of people. Above this one (very obviously joking post), I have repeatedly made completely valid, legitimate points that had nothing to do with getting a rise out of people.
Making jokes about some (insanely) bad name choices for the woman’s kids isn’t generally the type of topic one goes for when “trying to get a rise out of people.” In fact, if anything it’s a unifying joke in that it says nothing argumentative about politics or divisive issues, and instead makes fun of something you don’t have to be a democrat or a republican to be united behind.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
But what makes it funny
is how, without knowing me, you’ve made about 10 generalizations about me based on one post that had nothing to do with partisan politics.
And also how you’ve labeled me the enemy because I made a slight against a candidate that I can only assume you will be voting for based on your above posts…with you not even knowing my political allegiances, or who I will be voting for. But what do I know? I’m just, as you said, an idiot…based on your astute observations. Labels sure are easy to give, huh?
Good times, good times.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Awww.... look at the poor lil' Angels fan.
I hurt his lil’ feelings and now he’s sad.
Here’s hoping he goes back to Halos heaven where he and Rev can live happily ever after with their collars gloriously popped.
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by thedirkatron on Aug 29, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Feelings hurt?
In order to do that you’d have to probably say something truthful, meaningful, or remotely accurate.
You seem incapable of all three.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
you’ve labeled me the enemy because I made a slight against a candidate that I can only assume you will be voting for based on your above posts
no… we just don’t like you because you’re an Angels fan.
by oc on Aug 29, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Hate me for it all you want
but it’s not what he lashed out at me for.
Not that I particularly care, what since he seems to be the dumbest guy in this thread so far.
And since my team actually wins from time to time.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Lemme think
A shitty logo, but lots of playoff appearances and a world title, or a mediocre logo and a near-decade of mediocrity with the worst pitching in baseball.
I’ll have to think about this for a bit.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
if you haven't figured it out yet...
…life works in cycles…
the Rangers and A’s are set to run the West now for the next four or five years.
meanwhile in Disneyland, things are getting older, fatter… bad contracts are just getting longer and longer…
money isn’t being spent on the draft… the picks you do get aren’t scaring anybody…
enjoy it while it lasts, friend.
by oc on Aug 29, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
That's one way of spinning it
another would be to say that 4/5ths of our staff is under 30 (3 of them under 26), and producing the third best ERA in the American league, and under contract for fairly cheap. And that we also have one of the top second basemen in the league going forward, money coming off the books at the end of the year (G.A. and Garland take off almost 30 million alone), and lots of draft picks coming our way if Mark and Frankie walk. Oh, and a farm system that has either found its way into the major leagues already, or is about to in the next couple years. I don’t think a decent sports mind in the country would agree that the Angels are in any danger of falling hard in the next few years.
I’ll act scared when Texas gets ONE starting pitcher who I don’t absolutely love facing…let alone five.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Look...
The Halos will remain a contending team. You have a owner willing to spend $ and a decent farm system. Every Ranger fan knows they are the team to beat in the West…for now.
However if you don’t think the A’s and Rangers are comin’ starting next year you better look at their farm systems again. You have every right to be skeptical about the Rangers pitching, but help is on the way. Feliz, Holland, and Co. are not far away.
The Halos days of ruling the West with little or no competition is fading away. The A’s and Rangers will both challenge next year but the Halos will still probably pull it out. After that all bets are off. You’ve been warned.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
That's all well and good
but that’s not what HE was saying…his implication (hell, not even implied…DIRECTLY stated) was that the Angels are fat, old, and working their way out of contention with bad contracts.
And the Angels, other than this year, haven’t exactly been ‘running away’ with anything in the last few years. It’s always been close with someone nipping at our heels.
But I am familiar with the farm systems of all teams in the west, and I can safely say that pinning your hopes for the future on pitching PROSPECTS, in terms of division contention, is not the safest bet for success going forward. Sure, at least one of them is likely to become something…or end up traded away for another Josh Hamilton…but I’m not going to entertain arguments from the OTHER guy that the Angels are done-for in the near future merely because the Rangers have a couple of good arms in AA and AAA.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I said nothing...
about OC’s opinion. He knows tha Halos are still going to contend. He just hates them, like myself and every other Rangers fan on LSB.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Thing is
I think even the word “contend” is an understatement. The Mariners were “contenders” at the beginning of the year.
Until the Rangers have a bona-fied pitching staff…one performing to potential at the MAJOR LEAGUE level, I have no reason to be scared…particularly with the track record Texas has over the last 6+ years of making horrid pitching related decisions. Pitching prospects are the least-sure thing in all of baseball. The Angels basically already have (in Saunders, Santana, and Weaver) the best that the Rangers can absolutely, under any circumstance, hope to get out of any three of your prospects…and that remains highly unlikely.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Totally a fluke
not like he was a first round pick with a career 3.70 ERA in the minors.
Oh wait, he was.
That totally must mean his 3.67ERA this year is some insane aberration.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, wow, ERA!
This isn’t an Angel board, broseph. Don’t come around here and quote minor league ERA and expect us to “Ooh” and “Ahh” cause “whoah, he’s like totally one of those science guys who like knows numbers and stuff”.
Saunders’ success this year is extremely fluky. His K9 numbers are kind of shitty (I know you’re kind of dumber than hell so I’ll go ahead and tell you a 4.33 k/9 is not good at all), meaning he’s getting by based on his crazy low BABIP.
The real Joe Saunders is probably much closer to the one you saw last year. He’s a LAIE, which ain’t bad, but it’s a lot worse than what you think he is with your fancy minor league ERA knowledge.
Basically a good rule of thumb for you to try to learn with your dumb-dumb Angel fan brain is that a pitcher with a higher FIP than k/9 is probably a bit of a fluke.
Okay?
Should I repeat that?
Was your collar too popped to understand that little lesson on fluky pitchers who will almost definitely come crashing back to earth next season?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 29, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
heh...
…he boasts about Saunders ERA in the minors, and then suggests that neither Holland nor Feliz will pan out.
by oc on Aug 29, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
No I didn't
I said that pitching prospects are not sure-things. That’s it. That simple. Nothing more, or less. Then I said that we have pitchers on the major league level who already are performing to the best of what you could expect of Feliz of Holland IF they pan out.
So what if his K/9 is low. It’s as much a bullshit stat as anything else. It was 6.3/9 in the minors, which isn’t very exceptional either. Calling a guy a fluke for performing at roughly his minor league levels, who is also a first-round draft pick, is bullshit.
He has exceptionally good control…not necessarily in his K/BB ratio, but CERTAINLY in his BB/9 ratio. He also keeps the ball on the ground with a good defensive infield behind him, which doesn’t require one to get crazy-lucky with BABIP in order to perform…and he gets the double play ball…and doesn’t give up too many home runs. And even if he is ever-so-slightly overperforming this year, everyone and their fucking mother (if they have something resembling a brain) knows the word “fluke” does not mean “the real Joe Saunders’ ERA and other peripherals should be a little higher than they are now.” It’s a loaded, bullshit word in his context that shows extreme ignorance of the guy he’s talking about.
But excuse me, I guess Saunders sucks because he’s discovered that it’s possible to get batters out in ways not involving the strikeout. Clearly if you’re a low K/9 pitcher, it’s just impossible to ever be good.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh he's a first round pick!
LOL LOL LOL LOL!
I can’t believe part of your argument was that he’s a former first round pick!
LOL LOL LOL LOL!
I guess by your “logic” Trevor Bell and Joe Torres are also super duper stars!
Yay!
Being dumb is fun!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 30, 2008 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, being condescending
when you have a lot of intelligence left to prove yourself…not the best way to go.
I mean, you can pretend to be high and mighty because I’m “on the road” right now by being here, but you’re not fooling anyone, and certainly not capable of inflicting true insult against me simply by acting tough. We all know it’s a thin veil for your likely sheepish timidity to confrontation in real life. I’m sure you also don’t know half as much as you pretend to…so please, continue. Continue to inform me of how vastly superior you are, oh great e-debater.
If you’d like to continue this discussion, come on over to HH sometime. I’ll gladly ignore the rest of what you have to say over there in the future.
Please don’t take this out on your keyboard though…it didn’t do anything to deserve the beatings you no doubt give it.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Alright...
I was trying to be nice, but it’s pretty clear you’re just going to come over here and talk shit and be a assclown rather than actually discuss baseball.
Yes the Halos are the best team ever and the Rangers will never be anything. Now go back to HH and stop trolling the Rangers board. We would be more than happy to ignore you as well.
Your smarmy and asinine comments about the keyboard are funny though as you actually think you have some kind of effect on us, and please stop commenting on the intelligence of others when you have clearly shown none.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
LOL
And after the ownership comes the personal attacks. I soak your hipster ass in cold hard stats and what do you do? You start in with the weak personal shit.
“Yah, well I bet you’re a loser in real life!” the mental midget says on the message board when ownershipped super hard.
It’s Friday. I’ve been drunk pretty much all day since the mid afternoon and I’ve still ownershipped your ass up and down this board.
Go back to Halo’s Heaven where at least you have a shot. The level of discourse I’ve seen at HH makes me believe having a GED and knowing how to do long division makes you a real big dick over there.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 30, 2008 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
They come into hostile territory and then they’re like, Wait, how come everyone is so hostile in this territory???
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 29, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Hostility is fine
and expected.
Likewise, it is expected that someone will respond in kind when the hostility comes from a rather fucking dumb mark.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh man you are so awesome
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 29, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
Did you not think people could see my avatar?
And what’s your point anyhow?
I mean, I tried to get one of those uber-cool hipsterrific self-sketch avatars of myself like you, but apparently I have a little too much viable male genitalia to pull something like that off.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 29, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm such a hipster
hipsters loving arguing over sports on the internet.
I didn’t even draw it, nor is it of me.
I just think your avatar goes perfectly with a comment of you being OUTRAGED AT MY STUPIDITY RAWR ANGRY SMASH BAD
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It's so cute when the dumb-dumb's try to throw down
The funny thing is I bet this guy is an intellectual giant among Angel fans.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 29, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I read their board...
from time to time, but shit like this is why we shouldn’t comment there and they shouldn’t do so here either.
This dumbass clearly thinks he’s some kind of mental giant. I’m sure that stuff like making someones avatar larger is cool over there though, so to each their own I guess.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
That's got to be
The second most disgusting thing I’ve ever seen on the internet, going back 16 years of constant use. Only the tub-girl exceeds its nauseous charachter. Hopefully someday the dirkatron will use a photo of himself, not this awful travesty of a graphic.
Hehehehehe.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Aug 30, 2008 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Damn you, Ed!
I’m trying to ownership an Angels fan here. Cut me and my huge sexy man-tongue a break here, would ya ;)
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 30, 2008 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Obama The "Cool"
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Seriously...
are the 10-15 of us LSBers that like to debate politics going to let Miles and the beastliness of that little puppy out rec a semi-serious thread?
Come on peeps…Wreck it up.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
So, her speaking voice is atrocious...
she doesn’t know what a VP does, She’s a frosh Alaskan governor…
Lets hope if McCain is elected, he doesn’t die in office… yikes.
But then again, let’s hope McCain doesn’t win.
which is funny, because Palin has more experience that Obama
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
because she actually made
executive decisions everyday as governor not cherrypick issues like Obama has and indirectly reaps the benefits if the legislation passed was successful (if that ever really even happened)
now, how does Obama have more experience that Palin? Because he’s a great ‘orator’?
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
Wrong...
look at how long each has been in office. Just a stupid statement to say she has more experience than Obama.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Well...
it’s clear that she has more executive experience than Obama. She actually has more executive experience than Obama, McCain, and Biden combined. Being a Senator doesn’t really have anything to do with being an executive.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Come on Ben...
She’s a first term governor of Alaska. Technically yes she has more executive experience than all those you mentioned since they weren’t governors. However I hardly think that means she has more political experience than any of those 3.
As I stated above I think it was a decent move for McCain and much better than many of his other options. I sure how the GOP tries to ease up on the Obama experience shit though after this chioce, because they have no leg to stand on now with that argument.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
First term governor of Alaska...
she was also mayor of a small town.
Being in the Senate and actually occupying an exectuive position are two separate things. She has more experience being an executive than any of the other three.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Experience as governor
is not necessarily indicative of good leadership skills.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose."
by The Best Micah on Aug 30, 2008 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Looking at what she did...
she tried to do something about a culture of corruption in her own party in Alaska. She has an 80% approval rating. I see some positive things in notes about gay/lesbian legislation and her involvement therein in Alaska.
Looks indicative of reasonable leadership skills to me.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Approval rating?
Really? Yes her approval rating in Alaska was very high at one point. Wasn’t Bush’s at 90% or so at one time, does that mean he has great leadership skills as well. People usually aprove of someone after a corrupt politician is out of office.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
As I said...
my point was merely that she has more executive experience than the other 3 principals.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
I know what your point was...
and I didn’t disagree with it. You can’t disagree with it. However I think you are missing my point.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
executive experience is one thing
running a state with a budget surplus and a population half the size of fort worth is a different thing.
the executive experience of running that state for less than 20 months is less of a qualifying executive experience than what the mayor of fort worth has. that doesnt make the mayor of fort worth qualified to be pres.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
"a population half the size of fort worth"
I don’t like how people keep pointing to the population of Alaska as a critique. Give me a break.
Sure, governing people is an important part of being governor. But so is governing land.
Alaska’s 680K people are scattered over 650,000 sq miles. Think that is as easy as policing and managing Arlington? A large percentage of those people live in towns reachable only by plane or boat. Whole segments of the state are isolated half the year. Its capital is around 500 miles from where most people live. Its economy is huge, due to oil, and she doesn’t have the same bureaucratic system to help manage it as larger population states have. You don’t exactly share interests with neighboring states to help rally support in Washington (you do have corrupt senators though) That is not an easy state to govern.
its not just population, its demographic too
70% of alaska are white people.
3.7% are black
5.6% are hispanic
4.6% asian
the rest are indians and the total population of the state isnt twice as big as arlington.
how does governing that demographic relate to the demographic that most americans live in?
its like a different world.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Joe Biden's Delaware
isn’t exactly diverse either.
by Randy Richardson on Aug 30, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually Randy, like every state on the n.eastern seaboard, it is
"The five largest ancestries in Delaware are: African American (19.2), Irish (16.6), German (14.3), English (12.1), Italian (9.3). *Delaware has the highest proportion of African-American residents of any state north of Maryland, and had the largest percentage of free blacks (17 of the state) prior to the Civil War.*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware#Demographics
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 30, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I wasn't aware...
of those #’s. Very interesting.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
it's diverse in its own way,
but under-represented when considering hispanics and asians.
by Randy Richardson on Aug 31, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Under represented
Is there a quota for being considered diverse?
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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
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Nunchuck skills...
computer hacking skills…
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Executive experience...
is not all that’s needed to be President or VP and you know it. She also has as much experience in foreign policy and with the economy as you and I do.
I’m aware of the difference between the senate and being a governor or mayor. I never said anything about executive experience, I was talking about political experience.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Someone at Fox News
made the argument that she has foreign policy experience because Alaska is so close to Russia..
Der…
actually they showed the clip on the Daily SHow last night
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
yeah, the daily show
okay…get the context there too?
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
context wasnt necesary
it was verbatim
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
I also saw
a lame reference to her being commander of the National Guard in Alaska. Uh, ok, real heavyweight there.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
I don't really care...
about the VP’s foreign policy experience, personally. All in all, very smart political move on McCain’s part. Check out the action over at www.hillaryclintonforum.net
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Ok...
you don’t care about a VP’s experience in FP, the ecomony, or other issues but you do about 1 1/2 years of executive experience in one of the smallest states in the country and of a tiny city? That just makes very little sense to me.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I don't actually care...
about the qualifications of the President, either. Fuck, they can select presidents based on penis size or Pictionary, for all I care. Just pointing out that the experience issue isn’t as cut and dried as Obama fans would have it.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Alright...
fair enough. I usually like your commentary and agree with you on many things, but we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I don't think who's President...
really matters much, outside of a certain symbolic way. And, personally, I support whatever party for President that currently doesn’t control Congress.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
I didn't care much about the VP choice
until Cheney came along.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
What a bizarre thing to say
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 31, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
i care about president's exp
which obama has NONE of, kinda pathetic…everyone quickly being hypnotized by his substance less, rockstar type speeches.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
substanceless?
whats his position on capital gains taxes?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Rock Stars
They don’t make many speeches. And I thought Obama’s speech the other night had quite a bit of substance. It’s not like McCain’s been that substantive, either.
Provided that they don’t just try to bludgeon each other to death, we’ll see more substance from both in the coming weeks.
by Black Francis on Aug 30, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
She'll be blown away in the debates
whether Biden looks like a bully or not.
The DNC will be able to play the “qualifications” card once Palin looks like a complete flop of a choice in the debates.
Biden...
will just smash her in any debate on any number of issues. I’m really looking forward to seeing that.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I doubt it.
They said the same thing about Bush / Kerry (and Bush / Gore). Debates are judged on a curve.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Bush had a terrific smear team
I don’t think any level of smear will dull the smashing she’ll receive in any of the debates.
That sounds like...
wishful thinking.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
I know quite a few dems
Myself included, who were completely disenchanted with John Edwards after the 04 debates… He was taken to school, and yes, it matters.
The people that care...
give me a rough estimate, percentage-wise, who are going to be swayed by the VP debates?
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Will the VP debates alone sway anyone?
Probably not. I do think it’s a rather relevent issue this time around, as McCain isn’t exactly a young man anymore.
Do you think...
there’s a possibility that if Biden comes off as condescending or bullying, it may hurt Obama?
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Yes, I think so...
My line of thinking is that Biden will crush her so badly, his bullying won’t be the only focus.
If thier really is a liberal bias, her poor showings will be shining brightly in the news.
Well, what about Gore / Bush?
Do you really think that Biden will outperform Palin to a greater extent than Gore outperformed Bush?
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
What's funny about that statement...
and not to bring a sore subject for myself or anyone else…
but Al Gore won that election ;)
Al Gore *should* have won the election.
It’s frankly ridiculous and indicative of what a poor campaign he ran that it was as close as it was and that he didn’t end up president… which, again, leads back to the debates. A lot of people think they were a turning point.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Hard to say...
I haven’t seen her speak enough to know a answer to that question. I definitely think it could happen. I’m a huge Biuden guy though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
There's the male / female dynamic...
to take into consideration, as well, though.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
McCain stripped Obama of his biggest weakness
He will no longer be able to use the “lack of experience” argument.
That (so far) has been McCain’s biggest attacking point. It’s moot now. I feel like he hurt his chances with this pick.
I don't know...
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=26179&page=5
If she motivates the base, and attracts even a decent percentage of irritated Hillary supporters, she’s helped him.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Heh
I love how every conservative blogger is linking to that same thing. The internet knows no lies.
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a conservative blogger.
But I found that particular link quite fascinating. If it’s indicative of any kind of larger trend, it’s a problem for Obama.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Conservative
And blogging as we speak. Commenting? Whatever you prefer.
There are also some white people who detest black people. If that’s indicative of a larger trend, it’s a problem for Obama, too.
You can find any opinion anywhere you want.
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think...
“conservative” is a label I would use for myself.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Libertarian?
I guess it doesn’t really matter. “Anti-Obama/Pro-McCain” is enough for the point I was making.
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
I said this before and I’ll say it again. Pallin is going to be beat in a debate just like Dan Quayle was. Granted, Bush still won, but I would think it would be harder for McCain to win.
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How old were you in 1988?
-1?
Drawing a Quayle analogy here is absurd.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Oh ben
Why do you always have to pull out the age issue as a substantive matter? People can actually comment on things that happened when they were very young or not born.
They replay debates on the CSPANs all the time.
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
uh....
I want even born, but I’m pretty sure that from having watched videos in my gov class of the VP debates, that Quayle was outperformed big time, and it doesnt take a genius to find out that the same thing is going to happen to Pallin and the Republicans again.
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We'll see, I guess...
don’t think the analogy is very good, though. The knock on Quayle was that he was an affable doofus with an empty resume. That doesn’t seem to fit, here.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
The knock on Quayle
Was that he would be a bad president. That’s the same criticism here. Fair enough analogy.
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I do...
but not enough to cost him the election.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
McCain
not when you factor in his Military experience and decision making…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
He's made
some questionable decisions. Keating 5.
I liked McCain in 2000 when he was actually his own man. Now he’s just changing all of his positions to please the party hacks. I suppose that’s a good decision politically, and I understand it, but it doesn’t make me respect him.
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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
I agree with your point
to an extent. But, I think it’s naive to think that any politician, especially at the national level, is their own man/woman.
by Randy Richardson on Aug 30, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
john mcCain has never in his legistlative career voted against escalating a conflict in 26 years
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
anyone know where there is a rundown of the votes
and what the overall vote was?
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Aug 30, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
atually, that was a stupid statement to say
obviously you are blinded by your hate
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
I love it...
when neo-cons think it’s me that’s blindind by hate. Great point Sharky Jr!
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
typical
why am i not surprised by that answer by someone like you. have fun.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
And another...
one sentence reply with zero substance or fact involved. Why am I not surprised by that out of you? Are you even capable of debating your point of view or do you just resort to letting someone else say something and then agreeing or disagreeing with it. Let me know when you’re actually capable of discussing an issue, then I’ll be your huckleberry.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
You were post #666 in this thread.
Further proof, if any were needed, that Obama is the devil. Or you are.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
I'm sure many...
on this board would agree with that assessment. I’m a dirty far leftist after all.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
If I had to pick a state to be governor of...
…it would be Alaska. Easy gig.
For one, it’s a one party state. Two, finance is no problem. You’ve got all that money coming in from the North Slope, and nobody lives there so you don’t have to be so damn concerned with how you’re going to fund schools, public safety, and on and on. They have to build some pretty long roads and stuff, yeah, but they have more than enough cash to do that.
Someone above made a comment saying she has blah, blah number of years in elected office. Yes. She was a councilwoman in a town of 5000 people. I think freaking Pantego is bigger than that. Then she was mayor of the same town. Then she’s governor of a state that has about as many people as Fort Worth does, if I’m not mistaken.
I think it’s safe to say that if you did a blind “taste test” kind of thing and asked most people what they thought of their experience, most people would pick Obama’s. Especially now that he’s ran a nationwide campaign for how many months now?
I will say this about Palin: she does seem to be something of a reformer. From what I’ve read she’s went after some corrupt Republicans up there. But you know, that’s kind of like Texas when it used to be solidly Democratic. They were going after each other all the time. It’s just what happens when you have only one viable party. Then again, she has gone after corruption and it’s not a point any of us can really argue against, so I guess good for her. Is it enough? I don’t think it will be.
by Black Francis on Aug 30, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I see all my points were made above
I guess I should read before commenting.
But I disagree with sentiments like “Alaska’s population is spread out all over the place and that’s a challenge for the state government”. Most people either moved there to get the hell away from government, or are there to work in industries that are remote by their nature. I think Alaskans are used to this problem and don’t expect their state government to solve it.
They don’t have to provide the number of public schools that other states do. They don’t have to have a huge university system because nobody lives there hardly. There are no large cities and so there’s not much of a crime problem, which means they don’t have to invest huge sums of money into corrections.
I mean, seriously, I may pick Hawaii over Alaska just because Hawaii rocks, but that’s about it.
by Black Francis on Aug 30, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
size of state
Dude, it’s like way harder to govern when people are far apart, don’t you know? Being able to govern a state where people are so spread out is way harder than being a U.S. Senator.
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i honestly
don’t hear anything “atrocious”. Sounded decent to me.
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by dstar442005 on Aug 29, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
sounded like my PTA president when i was in elementary school if ya ask me
she didnt blow it though.
but if any1 thinks all those bitter 50+ year old bra burning pro lifer, pro gay, women who have repeatedly gotten passed over jobs and pay raises for the hot cheerleader beauty queen are gonna suddenly rush to her, they need to stop by Boo Boo’s in Arlington at lunch and get a better look at that crowd.
she didnt do bad though.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Wow...
lots of balanced and nuanced opinions you’ve posted.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
first impressions are never balanced or nuanced
you know that as well as i do.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
I don't think she's a poor speaker.
Either way, she’s suitably experienced to be President… she was a beauty pageant contestant.
Honestly, the President or Vice President isn’t all that relevant. And the press aren’t going to be able to treat her like Quayle, because she’s not just another privileged white man… she’s a woman who hunts and fishes, and if Biden tries to push her around in debates he’s going to look like an asshole.
I think it was a smart pick by McCain.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Until McCain dies.
Then it becomes a dumb pick.
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions
well, that automatically makes Obama an ever 'dumber' pick
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
HUH?
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
Either way, she’s suitably experienced to be President
“President Palin, The russians just invaded the baltic states, what are your orders? We have a meeting with CentCom in 2 minutes”
that doesnt terrify the shit out of you?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
It would terrify the shit out of me...
if being president were like running a country in Civilization. Alas, it’s not.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
what does that vague reference mean?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
If the president were...
sliding little pieces that represented troops across a map, yeah, maybe I’d be concerned about Palin.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
at any given second the presidency can turn into that.
any given second of any given day.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Do you really think that?
Really?
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
the month that russia invaded georgia is not a good month to say
the worlds nations cant turn into a foreign policy chess game of epic proportions at any second.
for example, the korean war was looking pretty good until that one day when 500,000 chinese army regulars crossed the north korean border.
at any second, the worlds military and foreign affairs can change, any second, and the idea that the oldest candidate in US history with a history of cancer would select a VP who not only lacks foreign policy experience but had to get a passport (meaning she hadnt left the country in 10 years), in June of 2007 is a scary concept. the only time she left america in over a decade is to see the troops in iraq a year ago.
mccain dies and she’s sitting negotiating a georgia crisis?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Negotiating a Georgia crisis...
but that’s not what I asked. I asked if you really thought that any second, the President would be playing a game of Axis and Allies.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
you asked if it was possible.
and the answer is with out a doubt yes. dont you remember waking up sept 11th 2001
i certainly wont ever forget that day. it started like every other.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
yeah
you got excited and threw a party afterwards.
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If you're not going to say something useful/adds to the discussion
Then don’t say anything. Hearing you rant about one of Jayslick’s messages from a month ago is really getting annoying.
and how was this post useful?
other than letting you have another reason to whine about something.
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Ummm
What did I whine about again? You didn’t add anything to the discussion, that’s all I was saying. You really should wash that sand out of your vagina, it seems to be really irritating you.
'is really getting annoying'
aka whining.
You would think that someone who was sick of someone ranting in a useless post wouldn’t counter with a rant in a useless post.
Just a bit ironic.
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It's just getting old hearing it over and over
Dunno how many times I’ve heard it brought up. I was trying to get you to stop ranting, I wasn’t countering anything.
i get sick of a lot of people's schtick on here
Sharky’s, Josey Wales, DJCahill’s, etc.
Nobody ever changes.
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Well
Everybody else has only opinions and options. Only the President has the authority to make a decision.
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
not. not really at any second.
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
Civilization IV...
I’m hooked on that damn game. I can sit and play it for hours at a time.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I love it...
but it’s addictive as shit!
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I need to get with the times
I love Civilization, but am still on III. It’s been out for like a decade or something, haha.
I’m not much of a gamer. Well, really I’m not a gamer at all. I’m not even sure if my desktop would run CIV IV.
by Black Francis on Aug 30, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Still on III
I’m kind of burnt out, I’ll get IV when it’s in the bargain bin for like $10.
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my fav has always been
civ II
never got into civ III and civ IV im meh on (burned out maybe? lol)
but im gonna start playing again i think…
any other good games like civ worth playing?
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by knockoutking on Aug 30, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Ages of Empires...
isn’t bad. Haven’t played it in a while though.
It has been pretty much Civ IV and and MLB The ShoW for the last 2 years for me.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Civ 2
May have been the pinnacle of video games, imo.
That, Starcraft, Sim City 2000 and Diablo 2 are the only three computer games I still play with any regularity.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 30, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
D'oh! Meant 4 in that last sentence, obviously.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 30, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Excellent taste sir
Have you seen the videos of Starcraft 2 / Diablo 3?
I think I’ve played Starcraft more than any other game in my lifetime. Of course, what better time than to sit on your ass and play games than 7th/8th grade.
So
The real question becomes: Are you a zerg man?
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Playing Zerg is fun
But it’s too easy to rush with the Zerg. Games that last 5 minutes are kind of a letdown. I haven’t actualy played SC in a few years, but I used to be really into it. I was a Protoss man.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 30, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Same here.
Haven’t played in years, but it was Protoss all the way.
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
So many ways to win. Zerglings, Hydralisks, and Mutalisks each had some insane buffs, and I love being able to crank out an army for cheap. Once you learned how to time your secondary Hives, it was really hard to stop a Zerg army. Of course each race had their strengths, but the incredible balance of the three races is why the game was so great.
Yah I've seen the videos
And I’m eagerly awaiting SC2. It looks great. Some are disappointed they didn’t try to reinvent the wheel, but imo the wheel in this case was already pretty freaking good. A big shiny new Startcraft with fantastic new graphics, a fast new engine, together with a slew of new enhancements and little touches makes my pants fit a little tighter in the crotch zone, if you get my meaning.
But I’ve been massively disappointed by the early video I’ve seen of D3. It looks all light and bouncy and cartoony. The Diablo series was always about darkness, doom and gloom. The videos I’ve seen make it look like WoW, which I hate with a passion. Although this is Blizzard so the game isn’t likely to see the street for 2 or 3 years so there’s still time for them to give it the Diablo feel. I think Diablo 2 is my favorite game ever though, so they’ve got to really bring it to impress me with the 3rd one. I still play online in d2. It’s greatness.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 30, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I loved Civ 2...
a lot, but I enjoy Civ IV just as much if not more than the II.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
My problem is that I didn't enjoy 3 at all
granted I didn’t give it a whole lot of play time, but I didn’t enjoy the few scant hours I did spend on it. Is 4 better than 3? Was I too harsh on 3? Give me the 411, dude.
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by thedirkatron on Aug 30, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I've enjoyed III quite a bit
but Iiked II better. Right now I’m hooked on OOTP9.
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I've never really understood what that game is
Never played it or known anyone who has, but apparently it has quite the devoted cult following.
Is it a straight sim?
How does it work?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 30, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
OOTP?
It’s a very detailed baseball sim where you basically play GM. Downside is it can take almost as much time as running a real club if you really use all the details available.
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Nerd
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 31, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
OOTP is like crack for minor league prospect dorks.
super cool game, but like tball said, for the time invested i think you could conquer and run a real baseball team of some sort.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
What does...
OOTP stand for? Is it on a system or computer?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Out of the park
for computer. I way prefer strategy games to shoot em ups, so I like stuff like this and the Civ series.
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Yeah...
I’ve liked all the Civ games though, I think you probably gave up on III a little too quick, but it wasn’t as good as II.
IV is great with the new religion aspect and the different map options and all the leaders available with the expansion packs. There is certainly a lot more to it than II. Some of the scenerios are pretty cool too. I would definitely recommend it if you liked II.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I'd be more concerned
if Obama was going to the meeting than Palin.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
core conerned with obama over palin?
please explain in depth why?
i dont understand that thinking.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
*more
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
you understood, i corrected myself and your dodging the question.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
I actually posed that question to a Swiss guy at work yesterday.
What if Russia invaded Poland, our NATO ally. What do we do? Who do I want in there?
Well…
Obama, for all of his nice talk and claims to have a worldly foreign policy outlook, has no experience with this type of thing. No one here can say that he does. And no one here would have any idea of what he would do.
McCain, we all have a pretty good idea what he would do. Everything he has indicated over decades in public office is that he is incredibly hawkish, so we’d better prepare for a major response. Kind of scary. But at least the Russians would also know that, which would probably deter them.
But Ben’s point is really true – Obama, for all his lack of executive preparation, would never be formulating a response alone. McCain, for all his bluster, would never be acting on his whims. They’ll each pick competent secretary of states and defense secretaries. They each have an established State Department and Pentagon to consult with. And you know what, those guys would be there if a Vice President Palin were suddenly thrust into the situation. Worse case scenario the VP becomes the P – but the rest of the administration stays in place.
The first thing she should ask...
…is why the hell are we having a meeting with CentCom if the Russians are invading the Baltics? Is our response going to come from our forces in the Middle East?
by Black Francis on Aug 30, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
RE: Abortion - found some interesting #'s from some polling (per Time)
73% of ‘likely voters’ said they would “still consider” a candidate even if they did not support the same stance on abortion. Only 20% said they would “not consider” that candidate (6% were unsure).
That seems to me a pretty clear-cut indicator that while abortion may be an important issue to a lot of women, it’s not to the level that they would strictly base their voting decision on who is pro-choice.
My first thought was that the 20% had to be all women who were pro-choice, but that 20% would also have to represent the religious pro-lifers that would NEVER vote pro-choice under any circumstances.
I think this supports my stance that abortion as an issue just isn’t that important in the mind of a majority of voters. It gets blown out of proportion because both sides are so loud and ravenous, while the media plays it up because it’s an easy issue to pick a side on.
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I think you are right on this issue
Only the fringes make one issue their sole deciding factor of who to vote for, be it abortion, Iraq, guns, etc. That doesn’t mean they are indifferent – I think all intelligent people have some opinion one way or another – it just doesn’t weight as the most important for most (which why should it – it is one of a dozen or so major issues).
The point is Palin’s pro-life stance won’t completely ruin her credibility with Hillary supporters. But I also think that Hillary supporters tend to be a lot more liberal on just about everything else than Sarah Palin is. She’ll get a few of the Hillary women – and I don’t believe it takes many to be a smart pick (even 5% could swing a really tight election).
The Dems had better be smart though – I think Palin alone doesn’t swing them away from Obama. But if they don’t treat her with respect or make a gaffe or two, they’re toast. I think the “do you really want that woman 2nd in line for president” critique is dangerously close to being patronizing and sexist. It isn’t quite there yet, but its very close. “that woman” (a phrase I heard commentators use a lot yesterday), is not a smart term.
The only
Women she could steal away from the Democrats are the sows who are so sexist that they’d rather see ANY woman win than worry about anything else. I happen to think that’s not a large number, and that’s good. Those women are doing more to set back equality than any ass-slapping, cigar-smoking CEO.
Also, I really don’t think people (men) are giving women enough credit. Most women do realize that Palin is just a token pick designed to help win an election. Calling her inexperienced or unknown or unintelligent isn’t sexist, any more than saying those same things about Obama is racist.
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree that saying she's inexperienced isn't sexist
Its more how they are saying it. And it is a cynical argument for them to make, considering that by most measures, Obama is also quite inexperienced as well, and he’s running for the #1 job, not #2. Obama is walking a fine line in critiquing her experience, because it does highlight his own, and it was also an argument Hillary made about him that he said wasn’t important. It can appear like a double standard, especially to an angry Hillary supporter.
I also agree that anyone voting because she is a woman is not helping their cause. But you know identity politics exists, and to deny it is unrealistic. More likely, I think there are a significant number of feminists who may just not vote for Obama now. They probably cannot bring themselves to vote for Palin & McCain, but they cant’ vote against her either. Obama’s loss is McCain’s gain.
Obama should be attacking Palin on her very conservative political stances. That is the smart move, not inexperience. Saying someone is radical right-wing can’t be interpreted as sexist, and it doesn’t highlight Obama’s drawbacks either.
Being an independent
I thought it made a really interesting campaign situation, and I like the choice. I sent this email to all my regualr correspondents earlier this evening.
"Let’s see. Degree in Communications. Knows harder than hard work (commercial fisherman). Not a DC insider. Same age group and demographic as that part of the population we count on most. Knows politics at the lowest grassroots level (mayor of a town under 10,000 with anonymity issues). Governor of a huge natural resurce state (Alaska). In part, aligned with the most conservative right (not neocon, the old school religious right). Family person with one of four kids volunteered into regular military. Healthy and inconspicuously tough. Sarah Palin.
Brilliant selection by McCain’s team or not, she brings some clear choices into play in this election. "
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Aug 30, 2008 12:11 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Since when
Is the religious right the “old school”? 1980 is old school?
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions
That may be a vogue impression
But there has been a religious right since the late 1700’s. Those who left Nantucket and founded New Garden and Guilford in North Carolina, those who left Maryland to colonize southern Ohio and Kentucky in the 1820’s, some who left Tennessee to go to Texas and Indian Territory about that same time. I suppose religious right has been redefined two or three times. Maybe my perspective is lacking, but I associate 1980 with ’greed is good" in terms of persuasion grouping.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Aug 30, 2008 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I would also submit that the extreme left
in this country is a more dangerous, hypocritical and hate-filled group than anything on the right.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
you would.
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by ivysafety39 on Aug 30, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Like the KKK or abortion clinic bombers or Fred Phelps?
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 30, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
You're
Talking about something completely different. You’re really making the assertion that Palin is a follower of Founding-era conservatism? If so, that’s going to be a gigantic problem for her.
The “religious right” that I was talking about was, of course, the infusion of greed, hypocrisy, and faux-Christian values that entered mainstream conservatism in the late 1970’s.
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, that's so
It may indeed become a spotlight problem for her, and I honestly doubt that the latter 20th century faux-Christian (as referenced) group en masse will be able to separate rhetoric from actual value systems. I don’t know enough about Palin to truly assign her to the older, more traditional conservatism, but it’s a take that got my attention on first notice of the VP candidate selection. For now, I’m going to wait and see what tone is taken in actual campaigning. And hope I can separate marketing from myth from misleading mantras.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Aug 30, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Religious right
as I think of it emerged in the late 60’s and early 70’s as a reaction to the civil rights movement and radical hippie stuff. All of those anti-war protests and flower children were so in your face they scared a bunch of moderates into conservatism. I think the pendulum is just beginning to swing back in response to the neocons/Iraq/the wilting of supply side economics and deregulation’s appeal.
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slightly OT politically, but not really
The Democrats have got to dissociate themselves from Michael Moore
"I was just thinking, this Gustav is proof that there is a God in heaven," Moore said, laughing. "To have it planned at the same time – that it would actually be on its way to New Orleans for day one of the Republican Convention, up in the Twin Cities – at the top of the Mississippi River."
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080830000004.aspx
Awful
Check the satellite view of this monster. I don’t think hurricanes have a political persuasion.
http://weather.myfoxtampabay.com/maps/WTVT/custom/storms/gustav_satellite.html
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Aug 30, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
No they don't
We can only hope that that map is correct in its estimation of the strength of the storm when it makes landfall. Looks like they have it weakening in the middle of the gulf, which seems unusual to me, but I guess they know the water temperature.
by Black Francis on Aug 30, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
but ed, its invading cuba as we speak ;)
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Heh
Yeah, in the cigar sector too. Also, stopped in the Caymans to pick up the cash for the Cuban cigars. I think the only missile crises here is from stuff that isn’t tied down or set in concrete.
Besides, all the foreign policy approach commentary ignores the real major question. WWCD. What would China do? They are the elephant in the room, both economically and militarily. It’s getting to the point where that answer would be, “anything they choose”.
Anyway, it looks like we’ve got family coming in from Mandeville, as much to avoid the mess as for their own safety. Watch out for flying cigars from the southeast!
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Aug 30, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the only missile crises here is from stuff that isn’t tied down or set in concrete.
thats rec-worthy right their. maybe even sig worthy, although i try to keep my sig ranger-related
good stuff.
PS: we start a job in NO on tuesday…
good times. looks like we wont know whether its on until the second we leave. best wishes for your fam.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
there, there, they're
bah!!!
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Michael Moore...
an entertainer who’s bit is politics, he’s no different than Stephen Colbert. He doesn’t really believe the populist schtick, but it pays the bills and gets him invited to all the right parties. Colbert plays his role with a knowing wink to the audience, Moore plays his straight, but they’re really no different.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Maybe so
I don’t really have any idea if he believes this or not. The point is different. In 2004, John Kerry allowed him to be sitting next to Jimmy Carter at his convention in Boston. That’s stupid.
People wonder why the Republicans win national election, why McCain isn’t 20 points behind Obama. It is because the rational progressives don’t denounce this type of garbage and throw him out of their party.
Pretty close
I think. But I think that role he plays is very comfortable for him, he is really pretty far left. The more he is in the news the better McCain’s chances.
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whats the difference between ann coulter and michael moore?
both like to make money?
both earn a ton of money?
(and i knwo someone is gonna throw out the “theory” lol)
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by knockoutking on Aug 30, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
What's the difference...
About 300 pounds. Seriously, Ann Coulter I think weighs 75lbs. Obviously I can’t stand to listen to her for very long either.
Both are to the extreme though, you’re right.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
bigger twat:
Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham?
no, money down!
by oc on Aug 30, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Ohhhh...
That is a damn good question.
I’d have to say Ann by a small margin. However I’d really like it if both of them just fell off the face of the earth altogether.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Ingraham hands down
Coulter is smarmy, Ingraham is a shrill shout down artist. Coulter throws outrageous barbs. LI is a ballbusting harpy.
I’ll take smarmy barbs any day…
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 30, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
the more i think about it...
i think the move has it positives and negatives for mccain…
positive:
-makes sure the christian right comes out to the poles and ensures the republican base which doesn’t like mccain doesn’t feel disenfranchised
-adds the same dynamic to the ticket that obama does to the dems, only as woman, its nontraditional and adds energy
-brings youth to balance his age
-reaches out to the mid 40’s hillary supporter who isn’t rep or dem just votes with the eyes and since she’s like them (a PTA/soccer Mom) so it might sway a bit of them…
-“cleaned up” dirty republican politics in alaska, so is reinforces mccain’s “maverick/reformer” platform
negatives:
-she hasn’t been vetted through long primary season like the rest of the options so all the bad stuff thats old news about most of the canidates will be new about her…
-doesn’t bring any real democratic hillary supporters cause of her staunch prolife stance
-lacks a lot of big state/ big population governing experience
-not ready to be president, which is risky with an aging #1 on the ticket
-palin’s never really been involved in international politics
and even though i gave points to both sides i’m sure someone will get fired up and wanna agrue all the points for one side or the other… whatever…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
haha, poles vs polls.... i just caught that...
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
by ivysafety39 on Aug 30, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
i actually agree with all of them
very evenly balanced
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
pretty much all are right
the only question is which positives and which negatives will dominate, and which will fade away.
I don’t see this pick as an inconsequential VP choice. I think it goes a long way towards winning or losing the election for John McCain. His age makes her a bigger deal than most VPs. That is a lot of pressure to put on a political novice. I don’t know what will happen in this election, but I think it’ll have a lot to do with her.
I agree with that
If I were him I would’ve went for a safer pick. Certainly there’s another Republican woman out there, you know? I really think a lot of this has to do with the drilling issue, though.
by Black Francis on Aug 30, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh
now, find a matching one with a kid Obama wearing a cape or something sitting on Biden’s lap.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
Then
why aren’t you laughing?
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
Do you know what a paragraph is?
It’d be nice if you used one, to say… prove that your IQ is higher than 20.
again
thanks for all of these useful comments. It’s like the Age of Enlightenment all over again.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Going after Palin on experience.
what about the idea that instead of feeding her to the wolves at the VP debates or making obama be the guy to criticize her on her experience and positions on policy, they have hillary hit her hard like a linebacker on both?
you may not even have to have one of the democratic candidates say a word and pull off everything thats needed.
first impression, thats what i’d do.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Not a bad
Idea, actually. It’s an equally obvious ploy, but I bet it’d be a better move.
by brettgardner on Aug 30, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a little curious
How so many know so much and can take such firm positions on somebody they don’t know in a public sense, or on events that are neither likely nor opportunistic to happen? I haven’t been showered with this much wisdom since the 2000 year guessing about vifgin birth and the real motive of the three (or was it five?) wise men. Were they bringing samples of myrh to start petroleum speculating? Who was the father of Christianity’s central figure? Did he marry and have a family? Do Scottish descendants today watch over encrypted codes to the wealth of the Templars? Is a Swiss repository the key to all world politics? Will a true conseravative reinstate compulsory military service? Was Excalibur a written grant of authority, not a sword? Who were the receptor leaders who paved the way for William the Conqueror?
Suppose if I stayed tuned to this thread long enough, I’d learn most of the above! :-P
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Aug 30, 2008 5:25 PM CDT reply actions
God
was the Father.
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on Aug 30, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Ed, did you get into my scotch?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
No
But if I hung on to this thread tightly, I might take it up :-)
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Aug 31, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
i'm going to do some major laughing come election day
forget the money…the “I told you so’s” will do just fine
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Wow...
800 comments, and this after a couple other political threads that easily went over 500 a piece.
I think it’s safe to say some of us are very opinionated about politics right now!
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
and that
Palin really shook up the election…
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on Aug 30, 2008 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Concur...
Not sure if it’s for the good or the bad for the GOP yet. Time will tell, but it was very unexpected.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
agreed
but i still dont think this isnt anything more than the perfect opportunity for Hillary to unite the party and put herself in a position to be the 3rd most powerful human in america
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
It's funny listening to these morons over and over again on the elite networks
Keep comparing Palin to Obama…i love it.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
so what do you guys think of the rumor over on Kos
that Palin’s son is not her son, but her grand-son?
A. interesting rumor but evidence is way too flimsy
B. this will blow up nationally in Palin’s face
C. shouldn’t matter anyways – who cares?
D. typical Internet conspiracy theories at work
E. (insert your own response)
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
people
start thinking it’s true, but is proved not to be true. Dems look like jerks, McCain wins.
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on Aug 31, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't read Kos
what is the rumor? Link?
I abhor unsubstantiated rumors, interested to see if there is any substance.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
I'm telling all you left-leaners
don’t feed the fire. This is going to bite you guys in the rear and y’all will shoot yourselves in the foot for the umpteenth time. I’m a Republican and I’m giving you guys advice, crazy huh?
Palin can destroy you guys if you don’t handle her correctly… y’all all about to be labeled sexist, and it will become a loud theme among the Republicans at the RNC… linkie to where I got this idea: http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/08/stop-prying-into-other-peoples-vaginas.html
via
http://hotair.com/
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on Aug 31, 2008 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Back off
I abhor unsubstantiated rumors
What did you think I meant by that? I just checked out the rumors and I think they’re bullshit posted by an overzealous liberal blogger.
On the other hand, I have no problem with Palin being a woman, I just have a problem with her being McCain’s choice for VP. If he was going to make completely patronizing choice of a woman (patronizing to Clinton supporters, I mean) why not pick a more qualified woman? There were some available.
I don’t get it. I used to like McCain and I wanted him to win the nomination in 2000. He is a shell of his former political self. He wants to win so badly he’s losing his soul.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
first off
I’m glad you didn’t buy the rumors, those comments were not directed at you if you didn’t buy the rumors. I was suggesting you don’t buy them. I apologize if you felt I was attacking you personally…
secondly you say it was “completely patronizing choice of a woman”. So basically you’re saying there is no way a Republican would normally pick a woman, cause of course, only Democrats can sincerely do that;) those conservatives, they can’t be sincere, because, you know, they’re sexist and all
also you say, “…why not pick a more qualified woman?” Maybe because he actually liked her the best? Ever think of that? She exemplifies his “Maverick” image and is a woman of action, not words.
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on Aug 31, 2008 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
You cannot honestly tell me
that you think she is more qualified than some others like Snowe and Hutchison. And those and other women are also friendly to the core of the party (read socially conservative). I think women who are democrats are very likely to feel patronized since they don’t see her as qualified AND she does not share their views. Polling is supporting my stance. Men have a much better opinion right now of Palin than women do.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
doesn't matter...
she’s the VP candidate and has more executive experience and leadership than your PRESIDENTIAL candidate. You can’t honestly tell us that is not the case.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
I can indeed honestly tell you that is not the case.
First, don’t assume Obama is “my” presidential candidate. I’m leaning towards voting for him but mostly because the GOP has lost credibility over the past few years and not because I think Obama is anything great.
Second, I have not once seen you actually state a position other than “liberals suck”. That makes you no better than someone like slcranger who basically posts “conservatives suck” every other post in these threads.
Third, if Palin was a democrat you would not have one good thing to say about her. You only support her because she is the GOP VP pick, and for no other reason. McCain could have had a VP with all of Palin’s good qualities, but who also had much more experience in national politics.
She might be qualified, but you cannot honestly say you or anyone else really knows that. Hell, we don’t even know if McCain is qualified, or Biden, despite their many years in power. The presidency is a singular job and you just cannot tell who can handle it until they get in there. Lincoln didn’t have much experience and he turned out to be pretty good.
But to say she has more experience than Obama is patently ridiculous. You are nothing but an automaton, blindly spitting out venom against Democrats no matter what the circumstances. Just once I’d like to see you actually post detailed, reasoned thoughts about anything. Anything at all.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
umm, okay captain obvious
if Palin was a democrat you would not have one good thing to say about her
duh. She’d be a liberal, and thus she wouldn’t have the same views as me…come on now…
You can’t be serious when you said that…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
Again, I'll say
Just once I’d like to see you actually post detailed, reasoned thoughts about anything. Anything at all.
You are incapable of doing anything other than spit out GOP-approved talking points.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
game... set... match...
winner: t ball.
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
huh?
did you even read what i said?
SHE WOULD BE A LIBERAL. How hard is that to understand? I would not like her because of those views…it’s really quite simple.
S I M P L E.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
fundamentalists
….when everything is black and white. it makes the a lot less interesting…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
well, there you go
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
He's
Clearly talking about the apolitical aspects of her. There’s no reason to be so dense.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
if that's the case
i wouldn’t have a problem if a dem had the same ‘issues’ as palin…i would have a problem if that dem advised her 17 yr old daughter to abort the baby though…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
adoption?
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
Hmm?
He’s talking about experience and qualifications.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
if a gov
did what palin did and is a dem…i would say she has more experience than Obama…yes.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
That's not the issue
Does he or she have enough experience to be President, if necessary?
Don’t give some bullshit about Obama. That’s not what I’m asking at all.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
Heh.
That’s fine. You get what you pay for, though.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
Thanks for that lengthy essay on her qualifications. You’ve swayed me completely.
If the circumstances were reversed, and a 70+ Dem picked a Palin clone for VP the GOP would eviscerate her. It is completely disingenuous to say Obama is unqualified and then hold up Palin — who has zero experience in national politics or foreign policy — as somehow more qualified.
I have serious reservations about Obama’s lack of experience, and fear the Dems are supporting someone who basically has a few great speeches to his credit. I also have serious reservations about McCain, whose temper scares even other Republicans, some of whom even call him psycho. Obama seems more sincere about reaching across the aisle and willing to listen (a major Bush weakness). McCain has done that in the past, but has lately pandered a bit more to the core.
See, those are examples of thought and analysis backing up an opinion.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
And, now i ask you
Does Obama, who actually is the Presidential candidate, have ‘enough experience to be President’?
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
Well
Of course not. He doesn’t have the necessary City Council bona fides.
I hope you’ll be endorsing John Wiley Price for the next cycle.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
that's the type of answer i expected.
not surprising at all.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
Why's that?
What do you know of my views?
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
you know...
…why that answers great… it makes you look like you know everything and we know nothing… like we are playing this little game thats gonna unfold just like you know it will…
yet, you didn’t actually say anything… brilliant!… i’m so gonna start doing that!
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
i'd do that...
…just to get JWP out of dallas…
though, apparently, he needs more time being mayor in TERRELL first…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
Longhorn
and yet again you reply with brief pat answer. You appear to be incapable of reasoned thought.
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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
I've been pointing that out for years
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Sep 2, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
so because
women think that…. it makes it right?… and they think that because of the liberal propaganda machine…
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
Who said anything
about right or wrong? If women think that they won’t vote for McCain and it won’t matter if it’s “right”. I don’t think he did it be patronizing, I think he did it in a calculated political move like any other politician would. And if you think millions of women blindly follow the liberal propaganda machine, then it is you who are being patronizing.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
good response
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
I don't think
Anybody needs advice from a dumbshit. Thanks though.
by brettgardner on Aug 31, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
wow
you just lost your credibility…
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on Aug 31, 2008 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I had no
Credibility, and neither did you. Still don’t. Nothing’s changed.
by brettgardner on Aug 31, 2008 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
ok
fair enough
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on Aug 31, 2008 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Mainstream?
I wouldn’t call Daily Kos mainstream. It has a huge and broad audience, and not all of them are mainstream.
Palin’s 17 year old daughter got herself knocked up, though. I couldn’t care less but it will be interesting to see what the hard right has to say about that.
by Black Francis on Sep 1, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm sure the spin will be that
she’s doing the right thing by keeping the baby and marrying the father.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
marriage at 17 always works out.
and babies at 17 do great things for your career and not only your future, but your childs.
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
re:
instead of 17, u should have said ‘any age’
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
just cause...
…mccain’s first marriage didn’t last, doesn’t mean mine won’t…. happily married, and no, that doesn’t make me a shill, delusional, dumb or even naive…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
Here, I agree with you.
This is personal. I think they should have announced this right away, though, instead of being forced to do so in response to rumor. That looks like they were trying to hide it. Just announce it and be done with it.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
probably the same thing obama is saying
it’s a family issue.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
Good to see the Republican ticket
pushing the family values of divorce and raising your daughters to be drunken sluts.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
"JD is a great GM if you ignore the giving away pitching and handing out horrible contract stuff."-Tricer
Absolutely clueless
Q: Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
PALIN: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, it’s good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.
- From everything I’ve read about this woman, I am really beginning to think that she might be, if not the dumbest, at least the most clueless woman to ever run for national office.
Her stupidity or naivety, whichever it is, absolutely mystifies me.
Also
She may or may not be an Alaskan separatist (who knew they even existed?)
by vfn on Sep 1, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
She's probably a terrorist.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
Huh?
In Palin’s answer, what makes her “dumb and clueless”?
How would you answer the same question if it were put to you?
Because
…the founding fathers had nothing to do with any sort of “pledge of allegiance”. In fact it’s a 20th century thing.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions
The “under God” part was a late addition to the Pledge, but maybe she was simply saying that the founders believed in the “one nation under God” concept, and she does as well.
they did...
…believe in the one nation part, but the under god part was kinda left up to the individual… which is pretty obvious when edited drafts of the declaration of independence were found to have “sacred” removed from the preamble, supposedly at the behest of ben franklin….
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
Nice spin
The concept of one nation under God originated with the Founding Fathers, just as Palin said.
yeah
she should have used the ’above my paygrade" answer instead…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
yeah... well....
[inserted cheap-witty-jab-about-snippet-of-news-thats-not-truly-meaningful-just-makes-whoever-is-on-the-otherside-look-bad-without-addressing-the-discussion here]…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
lol
truth hurts, huh?
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
you cut me deep.
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
Biggest LSB thread since the relaunch?
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
easily.
…my comp takes forever to load this page now…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
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