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All major news sources are now reporting that McCain has picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate.  Interesting choice, and I like it.  She is probably more of a 'maverick' than McCain, so fits the outsider image that every politician craves.

I do find it interesting, though, that a campaign that is trying to paint Obama as too young and inexperienced would pick someone even younger and less experienced in foreign policy for the VP.  Each campaign seems to have gone the shoring up a weakness route, with Obama choosing the older, more experienced Washington lifer, and McCain choosing a young woman (hi there, Hilary supporters!).

I don't know a whole lot about Palin so I'll be looking forward to her speech next week.  Call me wierd, but I kind of like the conventions and the major speeches they feature.  I thought the Dems put on a pretty good show this week and I'm looking forward to seeing how the GOP counters...

Keep it civil, folks.

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just saw the breaking news on tv, interesting indeed. they labeled her pretty much as an ultra conservative.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Aug 29, 2008 9:46 AM CDT   0 recs

Which channel labeled her that way?

I don’t doubt it, since he might be using her to further placate the religious right, but the source is relevant.

5 kids, she doesn’t need foreign policy experience

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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
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by t ball on Aug 29, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Foxnews.com listed her as fiscal conserative

Although history has taught us that those that were fiscal in the past don’t stay that way.

Myself I would have thought it would be Huckabee to shore the Religious right and southern voters but if Palin can do the same and bring some Hillary voters then it’s a great choice. Just wonder how she’ll fare against Biden.

by Taylor on Aug 29, 2008 9:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

she'll rip him a new one.

"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."

by Longhorn on Aug 29, 2008 9:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you wish

As soon as it turns to foreign policy, Biden will smash her on live tv.

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by DerekSTheRed on Aug 29, 2008 10:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and then she'll get all of the sympathy votes

and make Biden come across as an asshole.

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by willamos2 on Aug 29, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There's no crying in politics!!!!

but maybe you’re right. It worked for Hillary after all.

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by DerekSTheRed on Aug 29, 2008 10:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hell, it worked for Bush in 2000.

Gore ripped his ass off in their first debate and the media buzz after the event was all about Gore being a bully and that W won because you really couldn’t expect a dumbass to look any better than he looked that night. I’m still amazed by that to this day.

by Athos on Aug 29, 2008 2:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Was that

the “biased media”? I thought they were all part of a left wing cabal?

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2008 2:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i think the difference was that

Gore was condescending throughout the debate. Several times, he audibly sighed and rolled his eyes while Bush was speaking.

While he did win the debate, he came across looking like at an asshole based on his own actions moreso than how he made Bush look.

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by willamos2 on Aug 29, 2008 2:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree.

The media focussed more on the appearance of the candidates rather than the substance of their arguments. But even coming into the debate they were all about low expectations for Bush.

In retrospect, maybe they should have focussed a little more on the substance of the debate and a little less on the then golden child’s ability to look affable while speaking like a dumb shit.

by Athos on Aug 29, 2008 2:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

predictably wrong again

"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."

by Longhorn on Aug 29, 2008 2:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Predictably long on glib bullshit ...

and short on substance.

Were you W’s debate coach or something?

by Athos on Aug 29, 2008 2:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

nbc

said shes very conservative and has something like an 80% approval rating in alaska

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Aug 29, 2008 9:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

5 kids

10 total people in Alaska. So 2 of the four people who aren’t in her family approve of her.

by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 29, 2008 1:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pro life

and shoring up the conservative right. Interesting that regardless of the outcome, we will have either a black president or female VP.

by Parman on Aug 29, 2008 10:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

PS

I doubt Hillary supporters will jump on the Palin bandwagon because of her pro-life stance.

by Parman on Aug 29, 2008 10:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

PS

i doubt all HRC supporters only supported her because of her abortion stance

also i bet a few would have voted for her simply because she was a woman (gasp!)

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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 12:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And gasp gasp gasp!

Some might even have supported her because they just plain thought she was the best candidate.

O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Aug 29, 2008 12:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

God help us.

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Aug 29, 2008 9:48 AM CDT   0 recs

I'd do her

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2008 9:50 AM CDT   0 recs

On that note

Was that Biden’s daughter to his left last night? Not too shabby….

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Aug 29, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

McCain

Has some reaonably hot daughters, or at least one if I recall.

by Sharky on Aug 29, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Zing!

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by hinduplaya on Aug 29, 2008 2:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Heh

as long as you didn’t discuss politics before or after?

O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Aug 29, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I suppose that's smart

People like Sacha Millstone (Dem. delegate from Boulder who refused to vote for Obama because she was too big of a Hillary supporter) now have another opportunity to vote with their vaginas. Fantastic.

And now if McCain wins I’ll have another reason to burn Sacha Millstone’s house down.

by naropean on Aug 29, 2008 9:52 AM CDT   0 recs

Experience

Remember, Palin is running as the VP behind McCain’s experience. Obama shares Palin’s experience (lack thereof), but is running for the #1 spot. It will be tough for Obama’s camp to criticize her lack of experience. A little to akin to the pot calling the kettle black African American…

by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Aug 29, 2008 9:55 AM CDT   0 recs

likewise

McCain cannot now complain about Obama’s lack of experience.

by jcAustin on Aug 29, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not true

Palin is not at the top of the ticket.

Also, she has been a mayor and is currently governor. This counts as experience, you know, actually running something. She’s not just listening to speaches and voting along party lines all day.

by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Aug 29, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Considering

the Crypt-Keeper’s likely to kick the bucket at any time, electing anyone with Palin’s lack of experience would be reckless.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2008 10:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wacko liberal talk...

is back.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 29, 2008 10:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wacko fascist talk...

is back.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you for proving my point...

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 29, 2008 11:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."

by Longhorn on Aug 29, 2008 11:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

dumb.

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by ivysafety39 on Aug 29, 2008 11:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

missing

believed to be hanging out with Nessie and Santa Claus

by bushe on Aug 29, 2008 12:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So...

if voting for anyone lacking experience is reckless, then you cannot vote Obama either. So I guess it is Libertarian time!

Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!

by pbpsean on Aug 29, 2008 12:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Naw

Not enough experience.

by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 29, 2008 1:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How so?

McCain has tons more experience than Obama. The fact that his VP choice has very little is pretty immaterial. Meanwhile, on the flip side, the leader of the Democratic ticket is the one with no experience and had to pick a VP to add gravitas to the ticket. Doesn’t that sound a lot like Bush/Cheney?

by bking on Aug 29, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he has to believe that Palin has the experience

to be a good president, so if he says Obama doesn’t he looks like a hypocrite.

by jcAustin on Aug 29, 2008 10:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Like Bush/Cheney

Well, Biden at least hasn’t shot anyone yet.

O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Aug 29, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

nor had cheney in 00

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by knockoutking on Aug 29, 2008 12:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That we know of...

O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Aug 29, 2008 12:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I never thought he could

Bush had no experience and he’s struggled with foreign and domestic policy, what was McCain going to say “Learn from the past eight years what inexperience will lead to?”

by Taylor on Aug 29, 2008 10:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow

An inspired choice. I don’t like Obama or McCain, but McCain made a much better VP selection. At least she isn’t another old, washed-up retread like Biden.

I still won’t vote for either of them though.

--Brian

by BCanfield on Aug 29, 2008 9:55 AM CDT   0 recs

you're so cool!

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Aug 29, 2008 6:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I label her

As a nice piece.

by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 9:58 AM CDT   0 recs

as far as VP's go...

i guess.

i can’t help but thinking how used up that “piece” is after dropping five kids.

nothing screams “piece” like a has-been miss alaska runner up from 24 years ago. i keep thinking of that song, 1985.

by sam in so cal on Aug 29, 2008 11:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

funny

It’s like the complete inverse of Obama’s Biden pick. The young, less-experienced guy chooses the experienced insider, and the old, Washington guy chooses the young fresh face without much experience.

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by trza on Aug 29, 2008 10:09 AM CDT   0 recs

i really like the selection

1. It placates the true conservative base.
2. It’s someone with ZERO ties to the Bush administration.
3. It gives McCain a buzz that he hasn’t really had.
4. It steals some of the thunder away from Obama’s speech.
5. It carves into some of the Hillary supporters that wanted a woman and are indifferent on abortion.
6. It’s not some old, white guy where the opposition could continue to harp on it.

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by willamos2 on Aug 29, 2008 10:14 AM CDT   0 recs

I think its a smart move

when all the “name” Republicans have huge negatives, you might as well get a lesser known one.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Aug 29, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

Like with all politicians, the ones you don’t know anything about seem much less noxious.

--Brian

by BCanfield on Aug 29, 2008 11:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not sure

That there’s a gigantic bloc of women who are indifferent on abortion.

by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i don't know about "gigantic"

but my wife is one of them. She leans pro-choice, but she’s voted Republican mostly.

I mean…I’m for gay rights, but it’s not an issue that is THAT important to me personally to overcome other issues.

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by willamos2 on Aug 29, 2008 10:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a bit different

I think you’d have to admit. Really not that close, actually.

by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 10:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i don't know why it should be the case

they both affect a similar minority % in our country.

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by willamos2 on Aug 29, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Huh?

One affects every woman, whether she ever has an abortion or not, and one affects, what, 10% directly, and anybody else indirectly.

by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 10:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i don't see how abortion affects every woman

my wife’s never had an abortion, and she wasn’t aborted.

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by willamos2 on Aug 29, 2008 10:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gah.

It’s a restriction on liberty. Whether or not she ever has an abortion, the option is available to her. Nobody will enter into a homosexual marriage who isn’t homosexual. Why are you arguing something so obvious?

by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 10:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

people are free to do a lot of things they have no interest in doing

acting like they would fight for that right seems short-sighted.

There are plenty of women out there that would never vote for a pro-life candidate…I get that. I just feel there is also women out there that are probably pro-choice when push comes to shove that have other issues that they prioritize more heavily.

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by willamos2 on Aug 29, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Uhh

Huh? I wasn’t talking about “fighting”. I was talking about your horrible analogy.

by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 10:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

for example...

i have the RIGHT to own a gun. I don’t and have no interest in one. I don’t base my voting habits on gun control.

Some issues just don’t mean much to some people.

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by willamos2 on Aug 29, 2008 10:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're not getting it.

You’re talking about “caring” and I’m talking about “affecting”.

by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

gun control

AFFECTS every American’s liberty to own a gun. However, not many people CARE enough.

I think you’re the one who’s not getting it.

Acting like zero women who are pro-choice would vote for a woman who is pro-life is incredibly short-sighted.

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by willamos2 on Aug 29, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

When

Did I act like that? Seriously, what are you talking about?

by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 10:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

here
I’m not sure
That there’s a gigantic bloc of women who are indifferent on abortion.


While I agreed that it was not a “gigantic” bloc. Indifference isn’t just that they are neither pro-life or pro-choice, but that they are indifferent enough to vote across typical party lines.

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by willamos2 on Aug 29, 2008 10:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Right...

And what in that leads you to believe I had any opinion on the matter? You really need to cut back on the assumptions. You can care about something and not let it affect your vote. I don’t get what point you’re trying to make.

by brettgardner on Aug 29, 2008 10:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i'll boil it down to 2 sentences and leave it at that:

1. there will be some pro-choice women who vote Republican (a small %).

2. If people are strictly basing their voting habits on one issue as specific as abortion, that is sad in my opinion.

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by willamos2 on Aug 29, 2008 10:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

re: " people are strictly basing their voting habits on one issue as specific as abortion, that is sad in my opinion."

Couldn’t agree more.

Unfortunately, there are millions and millions of them out there.

Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.

by Brian Thomas on Aug 29, 2008 11:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But

I still don’t get why you’re preaching your beliefs. I never questioned them, just you analogy.