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what JD had to say

I'm not real good with prose, so I'll just scattershoot the parts of the session that I remember...

JD started by remarking that the Q&A event w/ the Newberg crowd is one of his favorite days of the year. Nice touch and good way to warm the crowd.

My favorite anecdote was when JD answered my question about the reaction in the draft room when Houston made their draft pick, which sealed the fact that Smoak was going to fall to the Rangers. He remarked that within the industry it is generally pretty well known what each team is going to do going into the draft, so once the first few picks played out, it started to become obvious to them that they would be able to land Smoak. Then he told a story about how the 2006 draft unfolded in the Rangers draft HQ. He said that going into that draft, the one team that was unclear on their intentions was SF. The Rangers had eyes for Tiny Tim Lincecum, and if he had made it past SF, then the braintrust was confident that he would be a Ranger. JD said that Lincecum's five digit draft number was something like 00605, and when the Giants announced their pick, they started by saying "six" and JD admitted that he was feeling elated, not realizing that the first two zeros are commonly ommitted.

He said that the evaluation of Galaragga was flawed, but he does not think that the Rangers evaluation process is flawed. I understood his answer to mean that he believes the team had a poor evaluation of an individual pitcher, but that it was an isolated incident. This was also my question.

Hambone extension talks have been tabled for the time being.

When Grant Schiller asked what he would guess the rotation would be in 2010, using only current members of the system. JD asked him what he thought and he said Feliz, Hurley, Hunter, Harrison, and Kiker. JD responded that those sounded good to him then remarked that some young pitchers currently in the bigs could also hold their roto spots.

Remarked that he is hopeful CJ grows into the closer role, and he said he knows that fans have been getting uneasy when the Ceej enters a game and remarked, "if you are getting uneasy when he is coming into the game, just try and imagine how I am feeling". Got a roomfull of laughs there.

When asked what advice he would give to others that could be used in coaching, leadership, business, or life in general he said, "Be brutally honest".

Said that Jon Hart is around a few times a year and admitted that he solicits opinions from him at certain times. Remarked that even though Hart had a rough go in Texas with media, fans, and on-field results, but he still has a wealth of knowledge that JD like to tap into at times.

From Will Carroll...

Said that JD is one of the GMs that he most respects in the game, but said that he has "grave concern" about the hiring of Colburn as bullpen coach. Carroll has a very low opinion of that guy.

Regarding Brandon McCarthy (my question), Carroll said that he doesn't expect him to recover. Said something about a chain of injuries from fingertips to forearm to elbow to shoulder that is rarely ever recovered from. Said some guys just aren't cut out for the act of pitching in the bigs and every time one part of the body is strengthened, another weak link in the chain brakes. He sounded very discouraging about any expectations of McCarthy lasting any length of time in a major league rotation.

He also mentioned that he has serious concerns about Clayton Kershaw's mechanics. (Gasp...the cornerstone of my keeper team!)

He has known Tommy Hunter since he was 15 years old and has always been high on him. Says he thought Hunter would end up a closer, but now thinks he may have been selling him short. He says CJ is no closer, he's a LOOGY.

Believes that if Teagarden stays healthy and hits .260 that he will be the most valuable of that group of four.

Joe Sheehan said...

When asked what pitcher would be the best FA target for the Rangers in the next few years - he said King Felix.

He also said that he thinks the talent on hand could easily lead to a run of 3 divisional titles in a 5 year time frame, beginning in 2010 with Feliz heading the rotation. Also cautioned against expecting Feliz to pitch in the big leagues before then. I guess he is saying that Feliz could top a rotation from the moment he gets called up.

Anyway, the event was great - big props to Newberg for another quality program.

 

 

 

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Great stuff

thanks for posting this

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by hinduplaya on Aug 3, 2008 10:03 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks a lot

I appreciate the summary.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 3, 2008 10:07 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nobody responded to my offer

and I worked a deal w/ the g/f.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Aug 3, 2008 10:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

kershaw

I saw him in high school, and it kinda looks like he short arms the ball.

by cashman on Aug 3, 2008 10:08 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I went 2-2 against Kershaw in high school

sorry I have to brag about that whenever I get the chance. :)

thanks for the summary tricer…hopefully I’ll be able to make next years event.

by Butters on Aug 3, 2008 10:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's the #1 prospect in baseball

and you’re commenting on this blog…life isn’t far.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 3, 2008 11:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice

So that isn’t you in that picture then, ah.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Aug 3, 2008 11:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

King Felix.

Like Seattle’s going to let him go.

by LiamP on Aug 3, 2008 10:12 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he didnt say let him go

he said trade him for a big haul, there is a difference there

by blueballlefty on Aug 3, 2008 11:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just going by what Sheehan said (via tricer).
When asked what pitcher would be the best FA target for the Rangers in the next few years – he said King Felix.

Either way, you’d have to give up the mother of all trade packages to get him if you were to deal for him. He’s about as close to untouchable as there is. He’s all they got up there, and he’s still young enough for them to be able to build around him.

by LiamP on Aug 3, 2008 11:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah he was asked what free agents

but when he talked about King Felix he said he said, that the Mariners would have to make a decision on him soon and if he were the Rangers he would try to trade for him, because he thinks the Mariners should/will end up trying to trade him. I didnt read all of Tricers post, but he did a great job from the parts I read. The initial question was about the free agent pitcher he would sign and then he turned it to he would try to trade for King Felix

by blueballlefty on Aug 4, 2008 12:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

jd is such a beast
The Rangers had eyes for Tiny Tim Lincecum, and if he had made it past SF, then the braintrust was confident that he would be a Ranger.

a change in philosophy most definitely.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Aug 3, 2008 10:18 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

even with that

man, what a great draft JD’s first could end up being.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Aug 3, 2008 10:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

Putting Lincecum with Davis, Holland, Lemon, etc. would be something.

I’ve mentioned before that in addition to Lincecum virtually every pitcher who went before Texas was a slam dunk pick and has been successful. Just unfortunate in their slot and hopefully Kiker will come through.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by Brett Perryman on Aug 3, 2008 10:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why is that so great?

A lot of people though highly of Lincecum. Some people only questioned his weird mechanics and whether it would be able to hold up…I don’t think anyone ever questioned the fact that the kid has a lot of talent.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 3, 2008 11:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks tricer

I disagree with both Carroll and Daniels on Wilson. He is clearly more than a loogy, but I have no idea how Daniels thinks that he’s going to "grow" into the closer’s role. He doesn’t have the stuff to dominate RHB, and closers have to dominate RHB. If he had that, he might as well be in the rotation, because with his other stuff he’d be a legit #2 or #3 starter.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by Brett Perryman on Aug 3, 2008 10:22 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh no.

Zywica/LSB/SBNation exploding.

by LiamP on Aug 3, 2008 10:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nevermind.

Saw him post that 7 times in succession, refreshed, and it’s normal now.

by LiamP on Aug 3, 2008 10:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just accidentally said “agree” rather than “disagree” so I deleted and replaced it since I can.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by Brett Perryman on Aug 3, 2008 10:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So...

zywica what do you feel CJ’s best place is on the team?

by clinton33 on Aug 3, 2008 10:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably LH setup

I’ve thought that he should get a shot in the rotation, when they were pretty low on candidates. That seems like will be less and less the case moving forward, though.

I don’t think he’s a playoff caliber closer, but you need at least two excellent late guys anyway, preferably three, and I think he can be one of those.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by Brett Perryman on Aug 3, 2008 10:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So, the role he played last year

If he could perform like that again, I’d be ecstatic with him.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739

by BudLight on Aug 3, 2008 10:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thats what i figured....

CJ would be best just facing lefties in key situations late in games.

I was wondering if you felt he should be in the rotation, but that won’t change his inability to get right-handers out or throw strikes.

by clinton33 on Aug 4, 2008 5:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks Todd

Really wish I coulda made it this year. Will Carroll is greatness, no?

What was that, two years ago mebbe, when Will was kinda bashing JD…and JD was waiting on the entrance ramp to walk in? lol

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Aug 3, 2008 10:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

* sore subject for him I'm sure

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 3, 2008 11:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the trade

was adressed and he just said that they thought Bmac had gone through his lumps and was prime for a break out year, he did thank the kid that asked it and was very open for any questions and answered them the best he could, he obviously was very hopeful that BMac would come back this year and really contribute!

by blueballlefty on Aug 3, 2008 11:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gracias Tricer

I completely agree with the what the principles had to say about both McCarthy & Teagarden.

McCarthy’s body is rejecting the notion that he’s a pitcher. Said so back in March.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Aug 3, 2008 10:52 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks for the post

how long does seattle have control of him?

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 3, 2008 10:55 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he will be arb eligible

the next three years then eligible for FA at age 26.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Aug 3, 2008 11:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+Rec!

Only 6 so far…huh???

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Aug 3, 2008 10:58 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One other thing

JD said that he voted against an international draft at last years GM meetings. Feels that the Rangers have a competitive advantage that would be mostly negated if the international guys were subject to a draft.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Aug 3, 2008 11:23 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did anyone ask him

how they managned to whiff on this years international free agents despite this competetive advantage? Did he comment on Oakland’s Inoa swindle or the Suero near-swindle last year?

Oh, and thanks for the transcript- great stuff!

by Goyogringo on Aug 4, 2008 12:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes he commented on Inoa

he was obvioulsy very peeved about it, and said that the rules where very easily bent and in some cases (Inoa) Shattered. It almost was like they were just learning all the “ropes” down there.

by blueballlefty on Aug 4, 2008 12:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JD

he is so AWESOME, I truly feel we are very lucky to have him. He is truly the anti-john hart when it comes to public relations. The guy was sincere and VERY attentive to all questions, when you asked him a question, he looked you stright in the and gave you the whole answer. I have changed my opinion in the last two years, but after tonight I am a JD SUPPORTER!
The Carroll opinions on Jim Colburn are VERY TROUBLING, he said he didnt agree with what he did in Pittsburg with there pitching staff and said he thought he really hurt some of there young arms in a number of different ways (SCARY SCARY SCARY). and AJM and the rest of LSB is so worried about Nolan, looks like they have another guy that is scarier!

by blueballlefty on Aug 3, 2008 11:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for the notes.

VM!

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Aug 3, 2008 11:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks

I think we can safely say thad jd will get grienke this winter. What jd wants in a trade, jd gets…

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Aug 4, 2008 12:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good stuff!
4 is interesting, the summary of their strategy for using pitchers in Extended as well as the presence of strength/cond coaches at each level; maybe that will quite down compaints about the Ranger’s being more injury prone than other teams…

by Goyogringo on Aug 4, 2008 12:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Any word from JD

on how the draftee negotiations are going?

WC’s comments on BMac – weird considering those very thoughts – BMac’s TOAST – sat down to camp out in my mind just a few hours ago.

by shroomer on Aug 3, 2008 11:47 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carroll on BMac

Still thought that was harsh.

Seems like a weird time for the wheels to fall off, 24 years old, but going back on thebaseballcube there are conspicuous low-inning years. I don’t know his Minors injury history well.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Aug 3, 2008 11:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just can’t see him going into this offseason with very good memories of the 2008 season. Perhaps in the final weeks he can grit together a decent short outing as a tease. But, when opening day 2009 hits I don’t know how you can expect much out of a guy who has strung together back-to-back disaster seasons – or a poor season followed by a disaster season. I’m thinking the looming glory of the Ranger future has passed him by.

by shroomer on Aug 4, 2008 12:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i wonder if its a balance thing..

.. he’s so tall and lanky, i wonder if he learned to land the front foot in order to have better control. Whatever the reason, this isn’t the first photo that shows the “landing-the-front-foot-before-the-arm-going-forward” problem.

by mattrpav on Aug 4, 2008 12:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe you've misunderstood something.

It’s physically impossible to move your arm and shoulder forward (in relation to your body) with any kind of force while you only have 1 foot on the ground.

It's filed under 'D'... for donut.

by NoNameOnCard on Aug 4, 2008 3:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His arm appears to be in line with his shoulders.

You can argue that his shoulders shouldn’t have that huge angle to them, but there’s really nothing wrong with his arm.

It's filed under 'D'... for donut.

by NoNameOnCard on Aug 4, 2008 3:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we should send Beverly23 out on assignment...

...close up photos of McCarthy’s pitching motions during his next rehab start.

by oc on Aug 4, 2008 4:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doesn't look like an arm slot problem...

His elbow is above the shoulder which puts less stress on the shoulder and it appears his hand is outside his elbow which puts less stress on the elbow. Maybe he would benefit from more of a 3/4,sidearm slot (Randy Johnson) as long as he keeps the elbow up.

by slimshadty12 on Aug 4, 2008 10:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Elbow above the shoulder is bad. Hand outside is bad, too.

It puts stress on the labrum and the biceps tendon while preventing the rotator cuff from rotating. This is especially bad when a pitcher has a pronounced scapular load like McCarthy does. The only time the elbow should be above the shoulders is shortly before and shortly after release when the shoulder is essentially done accelerating the arm.

As for the hand, it’s all about leverage. The further the hand gets from the body (outside the elbow), the more work the shoulder and elbow have to do to accelerate the ball. For example, throwing with a completely stiff arm gives the elbow no flexibility and completely removes the triceps muscle from the acceleration process.

If you bring your hand too close to the body (inside the elbow), your triceps muscle has to do too much work to maintain good acceleration. This often leads to triceps tendinitis, even when pronation occurs, because it stretches the tendon around the elbow and then rapidly contracts.

If you’re spitting out what a pitching coach has told you. It’s time you get a new pitching coach.

It's filed under 'D'... for donut.

by NoNameOnCard on Aug 4, 2008 12:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah and it is a forearm injury

and a pretty weird one too. Doesn’t sound like it would be a chronic thing. But then, I thought the same about Blaclock and his weird syndromes….

by Goyogringo on Aug 4, 2008 12:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not A JD Fan

I wish I could agree that JD knew what he was doing and the future looked good for this team. But I think JD has proven repeatedly that he is not up to the job. I believe it is because he has been so bad in his trades and his free agent signings mostly unproductive that he has retreated to the “plan” of buidling for the future. So we see lots and lots of really young prospects who are supposed to take us to the promised land in the same way that the DVD trio was supposed to be the core of the 2008 rotation. The good stuff is always going to be just around the corner. Any example you can site in his favor is marginal in terms of seeing a contending team. Will it happen in 2010 – don’t think so. It’s true the farm system is much better, but it’s at about the same level as the A’s and the Angels. But the A’s will develop their pitchers in a way the Ranger’s never have. The Angels will use their top prospects and make strong trades and free agent acquisitions in a way the Rangers, again, never have under JD. How does any of this translate into the Rangers being a contender in 2010 or beyond. I wish it were not so but I think what you will see is a continuation of the frustration we have seen for the last several years until JD is ultimately fired and we begin again. Don’t forget, JD got this job by convincing Hicks that he was going to build the new Rangers around pitching and defense – how’s that working for us? I do admire JD’s survival skills. He didn’t deliver on his promise to Hicks and every time he makes one of those “this is a must win for JD” decisions like Danks/McCarthy or hiring Washington he just seems to be able to ride it out. I don’t dislike JD, I’ve met him and he’s a nice and smart young man, but he’s not GM material and organizations usually don’t prosper when weak at the top.

Foolish consistency is the hobgobblin of little minds - Emerson

by RangerEddie on Aug 4, 2008 12:01 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, JD's survival

skills are to be admired. Very good post, Ranger Eddie but they may not elect you mayor in here for saying the emperor is not wearing any clothes.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Aug 4, 2008 12:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep in 2010 we'll be talking about 2012

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 4, 2008 12:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

please....

you guys deserve each other.

by Goyogringo on Aug 4, 2008 12:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I actually think

2012 is about the earliest time we can make plans for success and that’s IF…..IF some of the magic bean pitchers prove to be close to as much as they have been hyped.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Aug 4, 2008 12:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I actually think you're not like others here

who try to be negative to piss people off. While I am a fan of what JD is doing I do believe you have some legitimate points. Specifically “But the A’s will develop their pitchers in a way the Ranger’s never have”. This is absolutely true and this is a fear I as well as a few others possess. I think firing Connor was the right move and a good step. They need to find a solid replacement thought…one who has experience in working well with you pitchers.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 4, 2008 12:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the thing about

"But the A’s will develop their pitchers in a way the Ranger’s never have". is what pitchers has JD brought in that he hasn’t developed. the guy hasn’t been here long enough with his GUYS developing pitchers to be labeled that way.

by blueballlefty on Aug 4, 2008 12:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blueballlefty

well you could throw out Volquez, Galaragga etc. That isn’t my point though. What I’m saying is that the Rangers organization does not have a good track record of being able to do that, while Oakland and Anaheim have done it insanely well. As for JD’s tenure, yeah we haven’t seen the big names (who are in A or AA) try to do it, but until we see a guy like Hunter, Harrison, Mendoza, Hurley, McCarthy, etc. perform well in the Majors, it is difficult to believe that this organization is suddenly capable of having a high success rate in regard to these pitchers doing well at the major league level.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 4, 2008 1:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't even know

what an organization needs to be successful at doing that. Great pitching coaches? Great strength and conditions coaches? A Blake Beavan mentality :)? I’m sure a combination of all of those. But given what happened with Danks, Volquez and Galarraga, I’m nervous that Texas isn’t that great at doing that…and I’m not sure what has changed in the past year…besides Connor now.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 4, 2008 1:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you are right

the Rangers as an orginization have a terrible track record as far as developing pitchers, who’s the best ever developed by the Rangers? Helling? Witt? But my confidence in JD is growing day by day, I predict in 5 years JD will be regarded as the by far the best baseball mind in the history of this organization, right up there a head of the Great Johnny Oates and Doug Melvin along with Nolan (front office Nolan that is).

by blueballlefty on Aug 4, 2008 1:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm in agreement

he has improved greatly with experience. However because of the lack of track record I think it’s legitimate for someone to not be totally convinced that despite building a great farm system, we won’t necessarily have an amazing rotation in 2011 even. Hopefully that happens but if someone says to me “I’ll see it when I believe it.”, I’ll say, “fair enough.”

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 4, 2008 1:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ranger pitchers

I’d probably go with Kevin Brown or Kenny Rogers, though Helling and Witt would make the short list as well.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Aug 4, 2008 1:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was all prepared

to argue my case for Kenny and the stats say your right, although if I needed a starter in game 7 I would probably take Kenny at the top of his game, b/c I really dont remember Kevin ever making players look as silly as Kenny did when he was on top of it!

by blueballlefty on Aug 4, 2008 8:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Both of them

were fairly notorious for spitting the bit in big games.

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Aug 4, 2008 9:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rogers had

big brass ones v. the MF Yankees in Game 4 ‘06 and I remember Kevin Brown staring down an in his prime Randy Johnson (with Astros) in a playoff series (‘98?).

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Aug 4, 2008 9:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Spitting the bit?

What are you, a freaking cowboy?

I don’t even know how to respond to that cause I have no idea what it means.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 4, 2008 12:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you've ever lived in Denton

you should know what spitting the bit means

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by Brett Perryman on Aug 4, 2008 1:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This city boy...

Currently living in Denton has no idea what it means either.

Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.

by TheBZA on Aug 4, 2008 1:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was born there

and I don’t know what that means.

by cashman on Aug 4, 2008 2:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Spitting the bit

Basically the same thing as choking or folding under pressure.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Aug 4, 2008 4:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pitching coaches

Will, Jamey, and I had a short discussion about the possibility of Rick Peterson coming to Texas. Will said he wasn’t 100% sure of the fit, but didn’t discount it entirely, especially after Jamey noted that Wash and Peterson worked together in Oakland.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Aug 4, 2008 12:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I strongly disagree

no matter what you think of me I can spot talent and like there of when I see it. Will Carroll and Joe Sheehan are two guys that know baseball, more than me, and probably more than you. Those guys said the Rangers have a REAL shot at winning 3 out of 5 divisional titles starting in 2010. They said it is still up in the air for next year.If you cant see the DRASTIC turn around in our system in the last two years then you are blind. JD has been here three years and already has PLENTY of players he drafted contributing in the majors (Davis, Hunter, Mathis to name some off the top of my head). JD might have lost a couple of trades early on trying to WIN NOW, but I think he learned from that. I dont think you have to be very smart to “WIN NOW” all you have to do is spend money and get lucky. But to build a franchise that is solid YEAR after YEAR ie the A’s, Red Sox, etc.. To do that you have to be VERY INTELLIGENT, you have to do every thing well from drafting, to scouting central america, to scouting Asia, scouting other teams YOUNG players and signing the right free agents to the right deals. For example, most people dont like the Millwood deal, though I’m not a fan of Millwood, I think anybody on here would be LYING if they wouldn’t have signed the American league ERA leader from the year before to a deal for 11 million a year. JD has given HOPE to true Rangers homer’s, now whether we ever get to see the fruits of his labor is still in the air, but I for one think the future is even brighter then the DVD era, now we have the DFHHHHKM rotation to look forward to and there seems to be a lot bigger room for error in that rotation.

by blueballlefty on Aug 4, 2008 12:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JD

Will and Joe told me that they thought JD was somewhat similar to Kenny Williams, in that he made some bad deals early on, but had vastly improved as a GM once he’d gotten his feet under him.

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by RCCook on Aug 4, 2008 12:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep

I dont want to over rate Will Carroll, and I dont think I am, but when he says you are one of his most RESPECTED gm in the game, I think that means something

by blueballlefty on Aug 4, 2008 12:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with so much of this

JD takes a lot of heat for some trades he made early in his tenure, but rarely gets credit for the great drafts he’s handled.

-- Micah
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"If I buy this team, Chris Davis will end up suing me for sexual harassment." - Me
"Oh, but it will be worth it. a few million to you at that point will be pocket change." - LAMuscleFag

by baseballismyboyfriend on Aug 4, 2008 12:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so so true, the guy is turning into a draft SAVANT in my book

I think his problem early on in the trades, was it seems like he was a little unsure in himself and relied too much on other people’s opinion (Buck, John Hart) now that its HIS TEAM I think he is doing fine and just bounces stuff off the other people, but ultimately goes with HIS gut

by blueballlefty on Aug 4, 2008 12:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I Agree and Disagree

You are certainly right that the farm is much improved. I also think that JD is very intelligent. But I don’t he has baseball smarts and there’s no reason why he would given his background and lack of experience. He will always be up against other very intelligent GM’s who also have a wealth of experience to draw from. Surely you are not surprised that Carroll and Sheehan would be optimistic in room full of Ranger fans. And I’m sure they believe that there are a lot of positive signs…I think that too. I think there have been several hits so far and I really like Davis and think he’s the real deal. Will he ever be Tex, doubt it. And JD lost more than a couple of trades and lost some significant trade chips in the bargain. But there is no evidence that we will be a winner at all, much less a consistent solid team year after year. The examples you use of the A’s and Red Sox illustrate two teams that do things the Rangers haven’t been able to do. The A’s have some crazy uncanny ability to construct great rotations and they’ve made some trades the have brought them quality prospect arms. For whatever reason the Rangers are not in the same league as the A’s in pitcher development – nobody is really. The Red Sox are also different from the Rangers in that they have a top tier manager and will spend what it takes to be a winner. Neither of those things are present in Rangerland. I agree on Millwood, it hasn’t worked out but it was a good signing at the time. I don’t think everything JD has done is wrong – I wouldn’t trade Hamilton back for Volquez and I think the Bradley signing was great although we are told it was mostly due to Wash. The problem with having hope for “tomorrow” is that it’s always a day away. You never really know what will become of some of our hot young pitching prospects…we all know that. Injury, make-up, topping out on talent. Who knows? But what I think I do know is that the Angels will continue to dominate and the A’s will re-emerge with pitching. I have HOPE as well, I’m a hard core Ranger fan and would love to see them win. But I think we are being sold a lot of smoke and mirrors in the guise of the “plan.”

Foolish consistency is the hobgobblin of little minds - Emerson

by RangerEddie on Aug 4, 2008 12:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's interesting...

that you talk about the Red Sox and how they are able to do what we can’t, when earlier you were complaining about JD’s lack of baseball experience… which hasn’t really hurt Theo Epstein much. I also don’t think the manager of the Red Sox has much to do with their winning.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Aug 4, 2008 1:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you

Really want to be striving to be what the A’s have been the last 10 years? I get that they had a streak slightly longer than ours where they got to have an extra week or two of losing after the regular season, and they won a lot of games earlier in the decade and they’ve developed a lot of players and sold them off and Beane’s a genius and all the rest.

I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch to say that as a franchise, we’re probably at least equal to them right now, after experiencing one of the worst decades a franchise could have. Personally, I think it’s kind of pathetic that they couldn’t do more than get swept in the ALCS with the amount of talent that’s passed through there.

At the very least, Daniels has taken the franchise in a very positive direction very quickly. If the Galloways of the world can’t at least give him that, then I don’t know how much any argument they can muster should be heeded.

by brettgardner on Aug 4, 2008 1:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe

the difference between us and the A’s is that if we were the A’s right now our rotation would be Haren, Zito, Harden, Hudson, Mulder, Lilly so on and so on because we have the money to resign the RIGHT guys!

by blueballlefty on Aug 4, 2008 1:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

also, yes the a’s can develop pitching but can they develop hitting? we have developed kinsler, young, davis, teixeira, derosa(rudy), pudge, juan, etc.

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 4, 2008 2:03 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IDK

M. Tejeda, J. Giambi, J. Damon, E. Chavez, J. Dye, N. Swisher, E. Byrnes, M. Kotsay (not sure if he was developed there), K. Suzuki isnt bad, these are just a few, and good gosh you have made me feel like a freaking A’s fan I am going to stop supporting them in this argument!

by blueballlefty on Aug 4, 2008 2:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

j.damon???

drafted by the royals and played there for 6 years then played for oakland 1 year

j.dye not drafted by the a’s and played for kc for a while then went to oakland for a couple of years

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 4, 2008 2:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok got them backwards dont know why I thought he was in Oak. first

but Swisher for his career has an OPS of .810 and OPS+ of 114 not bad for ages 23 through 27 Chavez career OPS of .830 and OPS + of 117, Byrnes on the other hand is a little lower in .790 OPS range but he steal’s a lot of bases and scores a lot of runs when healthy, Kotsay came up in FLA, oh yeah I left out Ramon Hernandez he was a pretty good hitting catcher, and Travis Buck has backtracked a little but he has still been realy good for his age! again I’m sorry about the Damon mishap and clearly Oakland doesnt have a bunch of T. Hafner’s, or even C. Pena’s out there but they dont focus on Offense they focus almost SOLELY on pitching which is what a team with that payroll HAS to do, luckily we wont HAVE to do that!

by blueballlefty on Aug 4, 2008 2:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its all good

neftali feliz and holland will put all of the “we cant develop pitching” people to shut up

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 4, 2008 2:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dye

started with the Braves, I believe

by naropean on Aug 4, 2008 10:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah yeah,actually it was ATL/KC

I’m quitting this argument because I really dont care/know about A’s young hitters for the last 5 years

by blueballlefty on Aug 4, 2008 1:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree on Wash

one of my biggest fears is that we sign Bradley to a long term deal and then we realize that Wash isn’t the man to take us to the promise land! I think there is a connection there that Milton hasn’t had with ANY other of his managers. PITCHING, I believe where JD has done so much right is that he has a GREATER MARGIN FOR ERROR now. We have stockpiled SO much young pitching talent that if Hurley bombs, theres Harrison if he bombs, there’s Mendoza, then Mathis, then Hunter, then Feliz, the Holland, then Kiker, then the 17 and 18 year olds we have all over our system, also we are SOOOOO strong up the middle in Arias, Andrus, Vallejo, Lemon, Borbon, Beltre, all 4 catchers, not to mention Young, Kinsler, Duran, Murphy and Hamilton. Those are all guys that play up the middle which is the most COVETED players in trades, so those guys value is so great when we decide to make a trade for a young, proven, front of the rotation guy, and by the way when we get guys that produce like that I believe we WILL SIGN them, and now at least if we dont, I am getting confidence that we have the right GM to trade them for the right package, or make the right picks with the picks we get in return. Oh yeah how about that deal JD got from Shuerholz last year, thats a pretty good GM to fleece like that.

by blueballlefty on Aug 4, 2008 1:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More on JD

Well Brett, I only mentioned the A’s and Red Sox because those were the two teams sited by Blue as what we are going to become down the road. But, as I noted, both are very different from the Ranger situation. Theo Epstein comparisons don’t hold for several reasons: Theo is a lot better at his job and had a little more experience (not much). But he was also surrounded by a lot of good baseball folks (which I think is also now more true of JD). And, of course, Theo had a big big budget to work with.

I don’t think JD is satan, Blue, and I agree that he is getting better. But he is definately a low tier GM. An article in Fox Sports (I think, it was about a year ago) ranked the GMs and JD was 28 out of 30. Even the best deals he has made are qualified. You site him fleecing Shuerholz last year and I think most would agree that was his best effort. But consider: if this team had had Tex all year and Mahay in the pen isn’t it possible they would be closer on the wildcard? Maybe even really challenging for a wildcard play-off spot. Even this “fleece” of the Braves is questionable. I remember last year a local sports writer pointing out that the Braves are the best in the business as knowing their own prospect talent and what seems good at the time may, or may not, prove to provide the major league talent we need. Salty was the big chip. I have heard from someone I respect that the Braves had come to the conclusion that he lacked the heart to be a front line catcher. Surely, he has not impressed here and of our four catchers I think you have to rank him third. He will probably never be the Ranger’s catcher of the future and eventually be turned into a trade for who knows what. the other prospects (Andrus, Harrison, Jones, Feliz) have some talent and great potential…but that’s all it is. I think everyone knows the filtering process for prospects is pretty brutal. Some have said that if one in ten good prospects becomes a good major league player that’s about the norm. the high ceiling guys (Andrus, Feliz) are still a long way from the majors. Will any of these players who pitch ever contribute as much as Mahay did from the mound in his four years, or Tex in field? Maybe. But to suggest that you can say this is proof of JD’s skill in fleecing another GM is way way too premature. Frankly, I doubt that you will see any of them attain the “star” status of Tex. I’m not a Ranger hater, I love the Rangers but I fear the “plan” we have been sold on is merely an attempt to postpone a decision about what to do with a GM who has failed to do what he promised and failed to put a contender on the major league field. Hope I’m wrong…really.

Foolish consistency is the hobgobblin of little minds - Emerson

by RangerEddie on Aug 4, 2008 11:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What RangerEddie said...

...very well written and difficult to disagree with anything.

I do think Salty has a chance to be a pretty good hitter but catcher, not so much.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Aug 4, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think...

... that Chris Davis is better than Tex! There I said it and everyone will hate me for it, but I think the dude is just as good at defense, I like his swing better, and I think the guy is all about this team. It does worry me that the freaking DOUCHE bag Scott Boras is his agent, but hopefully we will win some games and Chris will want to stay at home, HOPEFULLY!

by blueballlefty on Aug 4, 2008 2:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well done

Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.

by Brian Thomas on Aug 4, 2008 2:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I might bookmark this post

as a rebuttal to anyone who blindly criticizes JD and the Rangers.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 4, 2008 4:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Missed the Mark

Well thanks for the input. Actually, I only posted due to the comments about what a good job JD is doing, not because I hate him. My hope would be that our Rangers are in the play-offs every year and I’ll be on here saying how great JD is. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt in your comments as you badly misanalyzed and misrepresented what I have said in a couple of posts. I think your comments fall far short if they are an attempt to prop up JD.

You give a summary of my points:
1. JD is bad because….Well, actually the point I was making is that he came to the job with very limited baseball background and I do believe that was the foundation of his poor trades. I think his staffing has improved, particularly if you include Nolan as part of the staff. So….you’re pretty close on this one.
2. Hicks won’t spend. Well that’s not exactly what I said even though he is clearly a little gunshy after the CHoP disaster. I was saying that teams like the Angels, and the Red Sox (not to mention a few others) will spend what it takes. The Torii Hunters of the world will be heading elsewhere even when targeted by the Rangers as the first priority in free agent acquisitions. Hicks won’t spend is a gross oversimplification.
3. We cannot develop prospects….Not what I was saying at all. Actually I think we’ve done as well as others in developing position players. But we have not developed pitching prospects as well as the A’s or most other teams. It’s a comparison. Many of our player prospects have panned out and even a pitcher or two. The truth is, as I stated, the vast majority of prospects for all teams never pan out. Prospects are a gamble at best. Even first rounders- I know you know that.
4. You repeat #3 again. What you have to consider is how will our quality prospects (if they develop) prove to be better than the A’s and Angels. All three teams are about even on the farm. However, the difference in the past has been the Angels effectively add with free agents and the A’s with uncanny pitching development and trades. That’s the question you have to answer.
5. JD is bad – a writer said so. Is your comment really that weak. My position on JD is based on the points I made. Simply citing someone (it wasn’t even Galloway) is just additional support for my point.
6. We are not winning now. I don’t now if Tex and Mahay would have given us another 4 or 5 games or not. But both would have helped I’m sure if your goal every year is to make the play-offs you want your best team on the field

Next. You say my arguments are based on two assumption. First, the lack of baseball knowledge on JD’s part is not an assumption, it’s a fact when you compare him to his peers. Doesn’t mean he isn’t smart, or know a lot about baseball now, but he is still below others in his skill/expertise. It’s a simple fact. I think his staff has improved, but if he is to be the GM he is the one who makes the final decisions.
You say my position is that we cannot develop prospects – not at all what I said. See above. We have a long sad history of failing to develop pitching prospects here.

So, I’ll answer some of your addtional points, but it’s a little tricky when you miss the point at the outset on your summary of most of my points and your alleged assumptions.

The logical problem issue (I think you meant to say logical inconsistency). Your point seems to be that you can’t criticize relying on prospects and then be unhappy when the prospects are traded for established players. If only thing were that black and white. You shouldn’t trade quality prospects for vets that aren’t that good. Every trade situation is different and must be evaluated on it’s own merits. You can’t lump it all together and say its always good or bad to put a priority on your prospects vs. vets. That’s not the standard. Every good GM must do three things well (doing it well is the standard). they must make good trades, they must make good free agent signings, and they must develop home grown talent. You seem to agree with this in your next paragraph. The problem for Ranger fans is that JD has not done well in two of these three areas based on the merits of the specific actions he has taken. He has restored the farm system. Good for him. It won’t get us to the play-offs. Actually I wasn’t much of a Tex fan for other reasons and think the deal may prove to be a good one. But it doesn’t stand as right now as proof that JD “fleeced” the Braves. Hope it turns out that way and we see some starts emerge from that group.

As to your comments on rebuilding I mostly agree. This is the most agressive rebuilding plan we’ve seen. But the problem is, as I have stated, you won’t rebuild yourself past the A’s and Angels unless you get really really lucky. The GM must be able to do his other job functions better than other GMs to get to play-off land. I just don’t think JD has what it takes and based on his current body of work. Hope I’m wrong, don’t think I am…we’ll know in a couple of years.

As to your point onTex, I think we agree the team is stronger with no deal, at least for this year. And I think at some point it has to be about the team you put on the field for the fans. If you increase our chances of getting the WC spot by 17% I’d like to have that chance. We are losing fans, attendance, and credibility in the eyes of potential free agents. When Tex walks you get the draft choices or sign him. Sometimes you have to pay for a top talent. Again, I think this may prove to be a decent trade….my point is that is wasn’t proof of JD’s ability to fleece a more experienced GM.

As to your comments on the “facts”. Well I really didn’t think my opionions on a blog post were elevated to level of alleged facts. I am glad to support my own positions, and think I have. I was merely adding some additional information on my side of the ledger. I know a lot of writers are sold on the “plan” and think JD is doing a good job. We know that JD’s background in baseball is very limited, I think that’s a fact even if you think he has improved a lot and has a better staff – points I would agree with. Do you really think that Salty will be our front line catcher in 2010? I’m pretty sure you know the difference between a fact and an opinion and all the variations thereof.

On your fourth para: I’m sorry my opinions are being characterized simply as JD is bad. I like him, he’s smart. I think he’s moved up a little on the GM scale in the last year. He lacks baseball experience and that is a fact. You misquote again…I never said our prospects never amount to anything. On the DVD, as I said in my post, I wouldn’t undo the HamiltonVolquez trade. As to McCarthy…bad trade. As to TD…I don’t know that we’ll ever see him in Arlington now…neither do you.

Finally, I don’t dislike JD. Maybe he should head up the farm system. I don’t know. I certainly don’t “hate his guts” as you say you did. I’m afraid I can’t agree with your young developing baseball player analogy. First, even young struggling baseball players have many years of a baseball foundation under their belts upon which to build. And, more, importantly, many struggling young players never become the real deal…most of them. A smart organization knows when to fish and when to cut bait on them. I agree that’s its pointless to dwell on the past trades and mistakes but in the real world if you screw up enough it costs you your job. I think he is better, but nothing he has done in the last year or so has won me over. We were told his choice of manager would have to be a big win….don’t think it has been. Same with the Danks/McCarthy trade. What do you think has been his best deal? Trade? or something that would give me more hope. And finally, you missed my point that JD got his job by promising Hicks he would develop the team around pitching and defense and that’s not what has happened. Now I wouldn’t have expected him to turn it around overnight but here we are mid 2008 with the worst rotation in the AL. Yes, I know…wait for those wonderful pitching prospects to be developed by the Rangers and we’ll have the pitching in a year, or two, or three. How long do you give JD to deliver on his promise?

Foolish consistency is the hobgobblin of little minds - Emerson

by RangerEddie on Aug 4, 2008 7:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know what you have said

Your points are straight-forward.
1) JD doesn’t have the baseball knowledge and experience as do other GMs
2) We will not be able to develop players on our farms as well as the A’s, and while we might develop enough talent to match the Angels, we won’t match them in free agency
3) We cannot develop pitching prospects
4) JD did not delivery on his promise when he was hired
5) You are worried that despite last year, JD will again make terrible mistakes as he did pre-2007 at a later time.

You have made point one a tacit fact, and from this you say that this is the reason for the bad transactions he has made. So what is your point here? Has he gotten better? If he has gotten better, why would this be a problem? If not, how has this lack of knowledge and experience hurt him last and this year?

While we have not matched the A’s in their pitching development, there is no reason why we cannot narrow the gap. We are also better than the A’s at developing positional players. Why is it considered an automatic loss? The Angels do not have a better farm than we do, and have they developed more MLB-caliber players than we have in the last couple of years? Why can’t we add useful pieces in FA? They have been really good this year so far this year by having good pitching and being lucky, not because of Torii Hunter.

We have not developed top of the line pitching prospects for a while, and have not done too well in general. This is a fact so no arguments here.

JD failed on his promise, and if they had booted him before the start of the 2007 season, the only argument to save him would be that he had not been given enough time and chance. However, moves that he had made since have been good overall. The pitching is still terrible, but most of the prospects are just getting here very recently, and the defense has improved in the outfield, while worsened in 3/4th of the infield (MY, 3rd Base, and Kinsler). I don’t think there was much that could have been done this year about the infield defense. Some of the prospects that we have acquired are good defenders.

Alright, additional points.

You bet you can’t lump all of the trades together, but what do you think you are doing? You don’t trade quality prospects for vets that aren’t that good? Well, do you have a problem with the first part or the second part? As prospects, how do you think Adrian Gonzalez and Chris Young compare with Salty, Harrison, Feliz, Andrus and Beau Jones? Are they similar caliber prospects? Yeah, the CY/AG trade sucked because they were getting that much in return (or not as much as they thought they were getting), but what about the Lofton deal? Gagne? Did we not get quality prospects in return for “not that good” vets? The reason the Tex deal is such a good one is because it turned a commodity which is useless to us (if you judge anything short of making the playoffs as failure). If Tex stayed here for the 2 years, and improve our playoff chances last year by 0% and this year by 17% at most. Instead, we lose out on 5 prospects (at least 3 of them must be deemed as high quality), and instead get 2 picks back. Which sounds like a better way to go to you?

GM must do three things well… Okay, JD has traded poorly up until last year, but did he do well last year or not? Did he turn pieces that have no long-term use into prospects that might help later? He has not used the FA well, yes, but FA is a dangerous place to go. Most GM lose when they go to the FA. I believe you have acknowledge that he is doing okay building up the farm. Is your point that he has not been a good GM, what about now?

If you keep Tex to win, and you have a 20% chance, and no prospect of improving upon that odd in the near future… and that’s okay with you? Why? Because we will never be able to succeed by going to the development route? You know well that these two routes are mutually exclusive at this point. Do you think FA will be enticed more by a team forever wallowing in mediocrity or one that has an abundance of young talent with a chance (but no guarantee) to be really good? (i.e. Tampa Bay) I have seen this 20% type crap for too many seasons now. It has never won you anything and it never will.

I do believe that the baseball player analogy is apt. Last year was JD’s good season. He has sucked at his first plan- “win now”, but he has been pretty good at the second -“rebuild”. He has at least turned a franchise around from an Astros-like state to one where there is a legitimate shot (again, not guaranteed). Yes, he is partially responsible for creating the Astros-like state, but now he has steered the team out of it in one season. That’s a pretty damn good turnaround to me, and until he steer the team back into one again, I won’t call for his head.

You spent an awful lot of type claiming that you don’t hate JD and don’t think he is bad. This doesn’t make any difference to me. I will hate his guts if he is terrible at what he does, not as a person but certainly as the GM. If he is doing good, then I will defend him from any undeserved bashing. You are free to bash the pre-2007 JD, as long as you are not boring like some others around here, but if you want to say that he is not up to his job – ignoring the improvements that he has made so far, that is not acceptable. Sure, there is no telling how the next couple of years will unfold. It could be that the prospects will fall flat again – a worst case scenario, or it could be that a lot of the prospect blossom and we get in playoff contention for a long time – a best case scenario. I argue from neither extreme. I am simply glad that in the past year, the best case scenario has gone from 20% chance of making the playoffs to what it is now, and that is a damn good piece of GM work.

by Telegraph on Aug 4, 2008 8:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One more time

I really do respect your point of view and I think there are a lot of things in these lengthy posts we have agreed upon.

I think we agree that JD got off to a bad start and much of that can be attributed to his lack experience. And while I do agree that he is better you have to consider that he still has not impressed in terms of making big trades that have helped the team be a contender. I don’t know how you evaluate the Hamilton trade given what EV has done. I still think it’s a good trade and I love Josh. But it does go against JD’s stated priority of building the pitching as his first goal. Right now its a push but a push I like for us.

I think the major issue we have is whether or not JD is now the man. First, I don’t want to dwell on past mistakes too much but I think you have to take everything into account as you evaluate him. Your point seems to be that the post 2007 JD has done well and, if so, there is reason for hope. I’m just not seeing his success at the same level as you. I asked you to tell me his best deals so I could consider them as part of his new GM skills. You ask what about the Lofton deal, Gagne? JD got the better on both I think, but neither will have much impact on the future of the Rangers and that’s what I’m interested in. Getting Max was nice, but I think he is he number four catcher in the system. He may eventually be the back up and part time 1B and DH. Those guys are pretty easy to come by and it hardly qualifies in my mind as the proof that JD is doing what it takes to make the Rangers a winner. Same with Gagne, which I think was an even better deal. But the truth is that Gabbard may never really be a contributor. He seems pretty average an a little fragil. I like Murphy a lot, but will he be in our outfield next year and is he really much more than a fourth outfielder. How will he fair when the competiton is Hamilton, Byrd, Boggs, Mayberry, and Borbon. I like the deal but if these are your proof that JD is the change agent for Ranger pennants then I’m not convinced. Getting better at a job in such a highly competitive field won’t get it done, particularly when you start wih the bar as low as it was set by JD early on. I think I would put him somewhere in the low middle of the pack now. I don’t think that gets us to where we want to be. We’ll see.

As to your comments on the trades. Actually I don’t really consider the CY/AG deal a really an example of prospects for vets. Young had a decent season and I considered him a vet. As you say, its done and over and let’s move on. Do I think Young/Gonzalez compare with Salty, etc. I really don’t know. You really don’t know. Young is a good, not great pitcher. AG an all-star. We’ll have to wait to see if there are any all-stars in the Salty group. As we have agreed, each trade must be considered solely on its merits and not whether or not it is pro-vet or pro-prospect heavy. Either kind of trade can work or fail.

As to what would influence a free agent, I don’t think the farm system is at the top of the list. I think money is at the top of the list. I think number two is wheether or not they think the team is poised to win them a ring. As you suggest, it is impossible to accuarately gauge any of this. We do know we have lost a lot of good players with little return at the major league level so far. Some of this is pre-JD, some early JD, and some of it current. Since the signing of Wash and the McCarthy deal were deals for last season I consider that the recent past and put it in the what have you done for me lately category. I guess if you want to move the line to his last deal and say you can’t criticize anything before that then that’s your choice. Again, I don’t see anything earth shaking for last season or this. We are putting most of our eggs in the prospect basket and that’s risky, particularly as I have said given the good farms in Oakland and LA. When you add the other things they bring to the table I’m not as confidant in the future as you are.

I hope it works out for us. I’ll gladly commit to come on here and say I was wrong about JD if the Rangers become winners in the future. I guess we seem to be putting the due date at 2010 and that’s ok with me. You feel he has done a “pretty damn good piece of GM work.” I think he’s done a pretty damn average piece of GM work. We need more.

As I said, I respect your opinion and you may well be right about the future. I think we’d have a great time getting a beer and cigar someplace and kicking the tires on the Texas Rangers for a few hours. Take care.

Eddie

Foolish consistency is the hobgobblin of little minds - Emerson

by RangerEddie on Aug 4, 2008 9:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hamilton

I would think improving the CF defense would help all of the pitchers… kinda like he just helped Guardado get out of that inning.

by smalls on Aug 4, 2008 10:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...

that was in response to JD’s first goal of building pitching. It does seem that his 2nd goal (which may actually be more of a 1B) was to improve the defense.

by smalls on Aug 4, 2008 10:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guys these are some seriously long threads

maybe its my ADD, but there is no way I am going to or will read those threads. At first it started out that you just didnt space out your argument and it was one long paragraph, which as a writer is terribly frustrating, then it just got to be what had to be over a page worth of response.

Im not trying to rag on you, because after skimming some of it and of course the shorter responses, it sounded like valid points/arguments were made which can be a rarity on a blog. In the future however, you might want to listen to that tiny bit of wisdom and your life will change completely for the better. Or not, I dont really care either way.

I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.

by rchawk12 on Aug 5, 2008 12:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't be shy

be sure to let us now how else we can serve you.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 5, 2008 10:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok then,

you can start by using proper grammar when trying to out sarcasm me, “be sure to let us Know how else,” and as your supposed king, you can serve me best by relaxing… and wearing a funny hat jester.

No, but seriously I know the last line might have been a bit over the top, but hey I was out of it and kind of thought it was funny so I kept it in. Not trying to be a douche here, and I was trying really hard not to be in that last post, which in retrospect was all for naught after that last line.

I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.

by rchawk12 on Aug 6, 2008 5:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Andrus and Feliz are a long way away from the majors?

Andrus has spent all year at AA and more than held his own. His defense is said to be ML ready NOW. He will start next year in AAA and could easily be a September, if not earlier, callup in 2009. Thats not a long way away at all.

And Feliz. Well he only made a huge leap this year from Low A to AA and hasn’t slowed up yet. He will probably start next year in AA but move up to AAA by June and like Andrus could be a September callup.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 4, 2008 3:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

angels are too old

and what exactly have the a’s done in the playoffs?

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 4, 2008 2:00 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is why baseball is so special

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 4, 2008 1:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there is a very easy solution to JD's problems

DONT EVER, NO MATTER WHO IT IS, TRADE PITCHERS UNDER THE AGE OF 28

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 4, 2008 1:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did he say anything about what happend

with the Marlins and Laird? I’m curious to see what was offered or if there was even close to a deal on the table.

by Hull Fan on Aug 4, 2008 12:12 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol i got banned from halos heaven

they are all mad because i said “hilarious game ” about their 4-error one today

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 4, 2008 12:19 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stop trolling.

You’re giving LSB, and Rangers fans at large, a bad name.

"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer

by ghtd36 on Aug 4, 2008 12:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol, yep every ranger fan now has a bad name

because a guy posted something remotley negative on an internet angels forum once

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 4, 2008 12:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're doing something that is universally reviled.

That makes the people you associate with (Rangers fans) look bad. Stop. It’s not cute, it’s not funny, and it’s not adding to any conversation.

"One man, five scoops." -- shroomer

by ghtd36 on Aug 4, 2008 1:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a thing

Called maintaing a good reputation, whether you care about what others think or not. You probably do need to care what people here think about you.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Aug 4, 2008 2:07 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks Tricer, BBL and Txstar

we normally have to wait until the offseason to hear all this good stuff

by Goyogringo on Aug 4, 2008 12:32 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JD's opening line was my favorite.

“Somebody just paid $600 bucks to hang out with Josh Lewin.”

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:) - Obligatory smiley showing I don't mean whatever mean
spiritedness is likely contained in the preceding post

by jtts on Aug 4, 2008 12:34 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd pay $10

to hang with Knox.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 4, 2008 12:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 4, 2008 1:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would have asked him...

“If you knew that Volquez was going to have the season he currently is having, would you still have made the trade for Hamilton (not knowing what Hamilton would do in Texas)”? I bet AJM would want to know the answer to that too.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Aug 4, 2008 12:37 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JD's talk

One other note that I hadn’t seen mentioned- Daniels did address the comments made by Ramon Vazquez after the game the other night. He said that management did talk to Vazquez, and let him know that they weren’t acceptable. He also said that they believed it to be a “heat of the moment” thing, but noted that as the fans are paying customers, they have the right to boo or cheer as they see fit.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Aug 4, 2008 1:42 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

2 things of note

1) i ate WAY too many shrooms tonight

2) i am never missing another Newberg night

signing off

If there were no rewards to reap,
no loving embrace to see me through this tedious path I've chosen here,
I certainly would've walked away by now... Be patient

by trident on Aug 4, 2008 4:52 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

atta boy Journey

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 4, 2008 7:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mmmmm...

shrooms…

I miss my college days.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 4, 2008 5:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, shrooms...

....”i always liked watching a chair turn into a bunch of angry snakes…”

I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA

by ivysafety39 on Aug 9, 2008 12:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did any1 ask?

JD whether the rangers had any1 investigated under the Buscones FBI Latin American Free Agent Fraud case?

im assuming that is a touchy sybject, but the NY TImes published a story that says they have suspended their head scout of DR, Boston just fired their head scouting director for “violating team policy” the same week he spoke with FBI investigators. The ChiSox have already fired 2 scouts.

How far does this FBI sting go?

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Aug 5, 2008 10:03 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think any1 asked that...

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 7, 2008 8:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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