Cryptic C.J. Wilson comments
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 4, 2008 5:37 PM CDT
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Richard Durrett has a blog post on C.J. Wilson:
Manager Ron Washington said C.J. Wilson remains the closer. But he added that doesn't mean he won't use someone else to close at times. Obviously, there's some concern about Wilson's performance of late.
Wilson hinted that he wasn't 100 percent, but wouldn't talk about exactly what that was. (Asked if he was healthy, Wilson replied "next question" and added, "I don't like to talk about my health issues in the media, which is why I haven't talked about them all year.") Washington thought Wilson was fatigued and that may be the cause of his arm slot not being quite right on his breaking ball.
Washington said new pitching coach Andy Hawkins was going to work with Wilson to see if he can get his delivery more consistent.
So, yeah...if Wilson is having injury problems, that would help explain some of his problems this year, and could be contributing to delivery consistency issues.
But it also leads back to the question of...why are so many Ranger major league pitchers getting hurt?
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C.J.
If he didn’t want to draw attention to his health, than a simple “yes” would have done.
by tyd3311 on Aug 4, 2008 5:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
fire the trainers next!!
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
by gossamer on Aug 4, 2008 5:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
something does seem wrong with him of late
probably worn the heck out
by TRFAN on Aug 4, 2008 5:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm really thinking it has something to do with the heat
TBiA is the only southern team with the heat the way it is that’s open….it just HAS to be an issue.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Aug 4, 2008 5:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was a pitcher and the heat was always a plus.
by mai on Aug 4, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you pitch 100+ innings for a few years at a place like TBiA?
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Aug 4, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Millwood last summer...
...consider he’s an average No. 3 starter… pitched just about every fifth day from June 1st to August 30th…without injury…
9 starts at home, 9 starts on the road. his record was 7-7…
averaged 6.1 innings at home in the heat… had an earned run average of 4.07…
averaged 5.3 innings on the road… pitching in Seattle, Detroit, Pittsburg, Cincinatti, Oakland, Hollywood, Kansas City, Toronto, Minnesota…
generally speaking, those are all pretty cool enviornments (with the possible exception of Kansas City)... but, he had an earned run average of 5.25…
...and most of those line-ups were pretty weak… Oakland, Kansas City, Pittsburg, Minnesota, Toronto. oddly enough, he was roughed up in both his Pittsburg outing and his Kansas City outing.
number of wins… 0.
by oc on Aug 4, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy crap, he pitched better in a steambox.
by oc on Aug 4, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, one summer is all you can look at...
you are right.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Aug 4, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Millwood '06
...from May 4th to September 30… (i’ve included May in this study because we were hitting 100 degree temps early that year)...
pitched just about every fifth day… did not miss a start…
14 starts at home… 7-5 record
14 starts on the road… 7-5 record
85.98 innings at home… (averaged about 6 innings a start)
52 earned runs… 5.44 ERA
91.99 innings on the road… (averaged just a shade under 6.2 innings a start)
40 earned runs… 3.91 ERA
eh…
by oc on Aug 4, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what don't you get about
a few years of the Texas heat taking a toll on a pitcher later?
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Aug 4, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Texas heat taking a toll on a pitcher later?
huh?
by oc on Aug 4, 2008 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta? Florida?
Maybe it isn’t 104 down there, but it is in the mid-’90s and more humid most of the time. And in the case of Miami, its 90+ and humid April through September. Texas isn’t the only hot place to play baseball…
by JBImaknee on Aug 4, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ATL and FLA are not even in the same zip code as Arlington's type of heat.
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Aug 4, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
u
r wrong…..
It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......
by red shoe ranger on Aug 4, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like to talk about my health issues in the media…
that’s straight-edge hardcore.
by oc on Aug 4, 2008 5:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of
deceiving actually.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Aug 4, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
C.J is just saying he’s hurt or hinting at it so people won’t really know he just sucks this year.
How's Dshep's ass taste?
by iorange555 on Aug 4, 2008 5:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not fair (however true)
remember these immortal words:
Jesus Christ peopleSome of yall are the biggest bunch of knee jerking motherfuckers I have ever seen in my life. Was it a bad decision to bring in CJ at that point with Francisco in the pen? Absofuckinlutely. Does this loss hurt more than most others? Absofuckinlutely. Does this blown save mean the guy should lose his job? Absofuckinlutely not.
This is a rebuilding season right? Why not let our 26 year old closer stay there all year until he starts showing continually that he cant close games. I could care less if he gives up 1 run in a 2 run game. I could care less if he gives up 2 runs in a 3 run game. As long as at the end of the day we have the W and not the L thats all I really truly want out of my closer. Would I like to have Mariano Rivera in his prime? Fuck yeah. But so would every other team in this league. Only a couple teams have closers that I would consider truly elite. CJ isn’t one of those. But he is in that second tier of closers that a majority of teams would love to have but don’t.
Give the guy a break on today. It sucks I know but knee jerking won’t help the situation long term. If CJ proves he can’t handle closing then fine make a change. But today didn’t prove that. And this year hasn’t proven that. Theres nobody else on this team I would be more comfortable coming in to close a game right now than CJ. Thats not saying CJ should have been the one to come in today. I think that should have been Frankie. But not because CJ sucks as a closer. But in that situation Frankie, as a righty facing a righty and being very good stranding runners, should have come in today.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jul 23, 2008 4:22 PM PDT
we must not be mean to cj.
by sam in so cal on Aug 4, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BGL...
I’m probably one of the last LSBers that has faith in the guy closing games right now. However I wouldn’t be upset if the closer for a game depended on the situation. A couple lefties in the 9th use BGL. All righties in the ninth use Fx2.
I don’t even want to think about him being injured as a possibility for his performance. I’m so tired of our pitchers being hurt right now.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 4, 2008 5:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so make CJ
a situational pitcher, like some on here have said he is all along
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
by gossamer on Aug 4, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the last, but not the last
I still want him going out there in the 9th too.
-- Micah
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by baseballismyboyfriend on Aug 4, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strange
It’s always a little strange when someone struggles for an extended time then later reveals an injury. It either means the person is a hardass that gave his all through injury without complaint, or the person is not really injured and is reaching for excuses. Not knowing CJ, but having grown to like him because of his posts here and on his blog, I tend to believe the former. I just hope it isn’t the latter.
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Aug 4, 2008 5:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees had this issue
last year or a few years ago…everyone kept getting hurt in ST. They fired their trainer.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Aug 4, 2008 5:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hamstring injuries
my first suspension is overstretching.
by SteveP on Aug 4, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
suspicion?
not being a spelling nazi, just wondering if that’s what you meant. if not, then i don’t understand what you are saying.
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
by gossamer on Aug 4, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CJ
“I don’t like to talk about my issues in the media, which is why I haven’t talked about them all year.”
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm….When he is on top of the world, he blogs all over the internet. Now he does not want to talk about issues that are important to Ranger baseball fans.
Strange!
by Trosey on Aug 4, 2008 5:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
human nature
can’t fault him for that
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
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by gossamer on Aug 4, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laird - DH, Salty Catching
Milton Bradley is still out, but is available to pinch hit. Gerald Laird was supposed to get the night off, but his hot bat has him batting second as the designated hitter. And Pudge is in the Yankees lineup, catching and batting eighth.
Here’s the Rangers lineup
1. Ian Kinsler
2. Gerald Laird
3. Michael Young
4. Josh Hamilton
5. Marlon Byrd
6. David Murphy
7. Chris Davis
8. Jarrod Saltalamacchia
9. Ramon Vazquez
Posted at 05:21 PM | Permalink | Comm
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Aug 4, 2008 5:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
pitching injuries
i’d be looking at the amount of non-pitching activities they’re doing, such as long toss, weight training, towel drills, etc. as well as overstretching prior to throwing..
by SteveP on Aug 4, 2008 6:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Something I mentioned a couple days ago...
This ongoing saga of Ranger pitchers getting hurt is absolutely assinine. Some of these guys have never had a history of the dl before.
Take Hurley for instance. Only twice had he been on the DL prior to this year in the past FOUR years. Both times were results of things happening in the weight room. One, someone dropped a weight on his pitching hand. Two, he strained an oblique while working out. Dropping the weight landed him on the 7-day DL. He missed one start. The other injury was during the last two weeks of the season and they just went ahead and shut him down.
How does a kid that never had previous arm problems land on the DL in less than a month? Here’s a question…. did that rehab start cause him all this grief he is having? He threw 87 pitches that night. It seems like all this arm stuff started up not long after the rehab start.
The pitchers that have been or are still on the DL, how many of them have been on the DL for arm problems before and how many of them is this there first time? I’d like to see that list.
Are they enforcing long toss like they should? Stretching properly? Running the right way (long distance, etc)?......
by sidebar54 on Aug 4, 2008 6:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hate to say it...
but I called it. It seemed like something was wrong with Ceej’s health from the start of the year and has gotten worse and worse.
Maybe he’ll get himself healthy and have a true breakthrough year next year.
by ghostofErikThompson on Aug 4, 2008 6:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did you get a tear in your eye...
...when your old namesake came out to pinch hit last night?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 4, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have...
but I kind of let my Mench feelings go when he was traded to the Brewers. Seriously, if you saw anything it was just Oakland gunfire in my eye…
Now I just imagine him as some kind of Canadian demi-god. Which, I’m sure isn’t true.
Also, I found out that he is pals with character actor Keith David. And also, those two are pals with one of my former co-workers. How completely bizarre.
by ghostofErikThompson on Aug 4, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do our guys pitch unhealthy?
seems like too often we have players who start sucking, and then they start hinting that they’ve been hurt for a while. Well… as soon as you’re hurt, do something about it. Playing like that a> makes you a less effective pitcher, b> makes you more likely to be injured later…
by JBImaknee on Aug 4, 2008 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From what I understand,
when you pitch, you ALWAYS hurt afterwards.
The question is can you differentiate between “normal” hurts and “unnormal” hurts.
R
by Requiem on Aug 4, 2008 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS THIS:
do our pitchers suck because they are injured, or are they injured because they suck?
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Aug 4, 2008 6:40 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Neither
They suck because they’re mostly not the best pitchers and they’re poorly coached.
Shit defense and pitching in a sandbox don’t help either.
by slimshadty12 on Aug 4, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
defense
I haven’t looked at any kind of numbers, but just watching it seems like the defense has been mostly pretty good during this stretch that the pitching has completely fallen apart.
In fact, with the plus defense that our outfield plays most nights, I think you could make a case that the defense is making the pitching look better than it really is.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on Aug 4, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
worst defense in mlb
#30 f pct
texas has allowed 3 more ER than pitt but 47 more runs
77 unearned runs = shit defense. not sure what you’ve been watching, but maybe you should check with your cable provider and/or your optometrist
by sam in so cal on Aug 4, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's been better as of late but...
Between Young’s zero range and Kinsler’s high error total, it makes it tough to have anything but a below average defense when you’re not solid up the middle. Outfield has been pretty good this year, but it’s not like we have Coco Crisp and Ellsbury out there either to make up for the infield.
by slimshadty12 on Aug 5, 2008 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe its more of a zack greinke
type health issue that he is obliquely referring to.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 4, 2008 7:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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