Why I would pick up Livan Hernandez
by pbpsean on Aug 5, 2008 2:16 PM CDT
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PrintNo, Livan he is not a great pitcher, but the Rangers merely require average pitching to get the job done. Livan could be used to AT LEAST settle the rotation down and give the bullpen a little easier time. Sure it would be cheaper to wait for him to clear waivers, but then all the contenders can grab him. If the Rangers pick up Hernandez off waivers, his contract was only $5 million plus $2 million worth of incentives. That is a small price to pay for an innings-eater starter with post-season experience.
I would have no problem with a Padilla, Harrison, Hernandez, Mendoza, Millwood/Hunter rotation the rest of the way. Put Feldman in the bullpen along with Nippert, Hurley and Mathis when he returns. Get rid of Jamey Wright and send Madrigal down to Frisco for some AA playoff experience. Use a committee approach of Wilson, Francisco and Guardado to close out games.
Hernandez, 33, was 10-8 with a 5.48 ERA with the Twins, averaging almost exactly six innings in his 23 starts; he had allowed 199 hits in 139.2 innings, with 29 walks and 54 strikeouts.
Other than giving up too many hits and 25 HRs a year, he has pitched 200 innings for ten straight years and would make it 11 if plugged in for the wild card run. He has always been about a 2 for 1 K/BB ratio which is fine. He has a career ERA of 4.32. Anything under 4.50 will be fine for the Rangers of right now.
PLUS... He is 6-3 with a 3.97 ERA in nine post-season series in his career.
This is just an opinion, but it seems like the Yankees and White Sox are vulnerable. So lets give them a run for their money and have a fun final seven weeks!
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Who do you kick out
of the rotation and how do you make room on the 40 man if you bring in Livan?
"We live, we die, and the wheels on the bus go round and round." - Tony Romo
yes
I mean everyone gets hit hard in the metrodome, put him in the spacious RBiA and watch him flourish
I see what you did there
and it made me laugh.
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I'd much rather see
Hurley and Harrison take the final spot in the rotation and grow, rather than see an aged version of Hernandez, who is a shadow of his former self..
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the final spot?
those guys are like our #2 and 3 right now haha, you are forgetting about the injuries,
by blueballlefty on Aug 5, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Pick him up, I would rather see the kids back in the minors to learn more
about how to pitch, give him a shot, maybe he just needs a new start
IDEA
Hey we could pick him up to platoon him with Cat. As I recall he was a pretty decent hitter. Ya know, for a pitcher
micah owings!
remember when dontrelle hit 8th?
top hitting pitchers of the last few years (off the top of my head)
mike hampton
micah owings
dontrelle willis
...dont forget the great felix hernandez (GRAND SLAMZ OFF OF JOHAN!!! OMG HE SHOULD HIT 4TH FOR THE M’S!!!!!!!!!!!!!) [end sarcasm] ...but really could he do any worse than sexson did? ...i think not.
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
Also
Don’t forget the great Darren Oliver
by meatbonelefty on Aug 5, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
just a question
but is there anyone left in baseball who actually believes hes 33?
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
i would pick him up but
i would have a rotation of Livan,Padilla,Hurley,Hunter,Millwood. Hurley needs to get some rotation time so he will be ready for next year and if Hunter does bad then put harrison in and if he does bad go with mendoza
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
baseballs?
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The kids would still have a major role.
I see what you mean. Hernandez could get Wright’s place on the 40 since Millwood, Mathis and Hurley are already on the 40 when they return. However then you have a logjam of rehab projects.
Would Hernandez be better than Millwood? Do Mathis and Hurley come back to the majors when the rehabs are done? Other than Madrigal, I could only see Nippert or Hunter going back down. Maybe Metcalf if you are comfortable with Davis as your emergency third baseman. I say no to that scenario.
So how about this:
Padilla, Harrison, Hernandez (Wright released), Mendoza, Millwood (Madrigal goes down to AA)
Hunter, Feldman, Hurley (Nippert goes down to AAA), Rupe, Wilson, Francisco, Guardado
Mathis goes down when he is healthy.
Yeah, that Sexson at bat last night was pretty weak.
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
Wright
The guy has had a rough patch lately, which I blame on overuse, but he has been by far our most consistent reliever over the last couple years. My only wish is that we don’t overuse him. Last night for example. I see no reason he had to be brought into that game. It was the 7th inning and we had a one run lead. If you are not gonna use CJ as closer you can bring him in there. He did fine but its just another inning on his arm which has already been used enough for this point in the season.
As for Livan, I would rather trot out our rookies. The rest of the season is going to be fun to watch no matter what. Livan gives us no better chance of making the playoffs. So there is no reason to pick him up.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I actually like the idea of Livan
But it’s because he is stable. He will give you 6 innings every 5 days. That’s not to say they’ll be 6 excellent innings, but unlike Mendoza, Harrison, Hurley, etc., you can pretty much pencil in that he’ll get through 2/3 of the game. I’d push Blalock to the 60 man, send down Harrison (who has not looked like he’s ready for ML level, save that first start.. I’d let him finish the year, unless there’s an injury, in AAA), and offer them someone on the Ian Gac level if they pick up his salary, which they’d have to do anyways if he clears waivers.
That way you get a no-cost, decent reward risk, that will help keep the bullpen fresh.
by vfn on Aug 5, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree jamcadbury
I think he is a serviceable pitcher that could give us some innings, help take pressure off the bullpen and help us compete for the wild card. All while giving important time to the kids that are already here!
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
so you REALLY think the rangers have a chance at the wild card?
im just askin.
and you DO realize its not just the yankees and white sox.
basically its:
boston redsox
ny yankees
tampa rays
minny twins
chicago white sox
detroit tigers (never want to count them out)
my playoff picks:
boston
minny
angels
wild card: tampa rays
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
Boston sans Manny and possibly Ortiz
= wild card… if they can hold onto that.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Aug 5, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Livan Hernandez is a bad pitcher
I don’t think it makes sense to bring bad pitchers here.
Thus, I would not support adding Livan.
Well...
he can throw harder than 85mph.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
distinction
Livan is a bad pitcher… Ponson is a bad person and a bad pitcher.
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Hell no
All Hernandez would do is come to Arlington, post a 6.00+ ERA, and block the development of one of our young pitchers. Fail.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
exactly
lets see…harrison or hernandez for the rest of this year…easy choice
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
its interesting to think about
if we were closer in the playoff race it might be worth giving some consideration to him, given the uncertainty at the back end of our rotation. he might not be an upgrade over any of our young starters but he stands to give us more innings and is more of a known commodity at the major league level. i dont think two months would stall anyone’s development too much; the odd man out can always go back down and pitch in AAA.
but when it’s all said and done, the benefit would really be very marginal, and with the amount of games we need to make up he’s not going to make a big enough difference for us.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 5, 2008 6:27 PM CDT reply actions
Why discuss pitching around here?
This is definitely not a pitching think-tank.
I Stole The Red Finger !
by Clueless on Aug 5, 2008 9:13 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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