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CJ Wilson to disabled list with bone spurs

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as bad as he's been

I hope he gets better, takes his time and fixes what he needs to.

by Salman on Aug 5, 2008 11:09 PM CDT   0 recs

Not a surprise

Wouldn’t be the first time in the last 15 months the organization knowingly let a guy pitch hurt.

Baseball Time in Arlington

by jamcadbury on Aug 5, 2008 11:10 PM CDT   0 recs

if he's

consulted with a doctor and the doctor says that he can attempt to play through it, then there shouldnt be any fault on the organizations part. it should come down to the point where they determine how severely it limits his effectiveness, which it obviously has reached that point.

by 6th street on Aug 5, 2008 11:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wrong

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Aug 5, 2008 11:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and that is

very disingenuous, a lot of teams let their hitters and pitchers play hurt. It’s if they’re injured something is up. CJ is not the only pitcher in the league that is pitching with these bone spurs. He even said they tried to take care of it, meaning that something like that is done all the time in these type of situations. They’re pitchers right now that pitch with known slightly torn cuffs and pitch effectively, Pedro did it for a full 2 years with a completely torn cuff.

Maybe you don’t fully understand what bone spurs are and it’s treatment.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Aug 5, 2008 11:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Understood

And perhaps I should clarify that remark by saying that I don’t know how long ago C.J.’s bone spurs were diagnosed by Dr. Keith Meister and friends, or how long the organization has known that he was actually pitching with a significant issue. I’ll happily retract that if it is reported the team has only known about this for oh, say, a week or so.

But if this is something the team’s medical staff and coaches have known about for a while, and yet they continued to run him out there in high-leverage situations (even though it was painfully clear that his command had reached a point where he could no longer effectively pitch at the big league level), then a major disservice was being done to both the clubhouse and the fanbase. And that, ultimately, is something I’d have a big problem with.

I hope we find out that this was something the team just very recently learned about. But I’m not holding my breath.

Baseball Time in Arlington

by jamcadbury on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Only CJ can say how he feels

No one can determine how much pain someone else is in. The Rangers have to go on what their pitcher’s tell them. If they say they can go then they are sent out to pitch. Obviously CJ (and others) have been less than truthful or tried too hard to get out there with poor results.

Hopefully, CJ gets his arm taken care of and returns to be very productive for us again.

by ranger jim on Aug 6, 2008 9:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

bah, my centralized

CJ Wilson thread was a few minutes late.

"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2

by tdi1985 on Aug 5, 2008 11:11 PM CDT   0 recs

eh, the poll should add some value.

"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2

by tdi1985 on Aug 5, 2008 11:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed.

I would say the poll makes it a 3.4 VORT, which is at least good enough to keep up.

by philkid3 on Aug 6, 2008 12:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Value Over Replacement Thread?

Well done sir.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Aug 6, 2008 10:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You better send a link or the dirkatron will call you out for being first...

With that said I feel bad for CJ considering he does get on this blog. Now he has to read all the crap people were saying about him. Granted he should not of been out there and he has had a very questionable year. He is still very valuable to our future in some capacity. Get well soon CJ and GO FREAKIN’ RANGERS GET YOUR FIRST SWEEP AGAINST THE YANKEES.

by Ranger Capt on Aug 5, 2008 11:11 PM CDT   0 recs

And you better not expect a link in a fanpost about a news story that you claim has broken on the interwebs

or Ranger Capt will call you out for unfair expectations.

Because it’s all about being first, baby.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 5, 2008 11:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know

I wasn’t really trying to be mean the other night with Dstar, but he did quote TRSullivan’s blogpost too, which he very easily could have linked to.

This guy said he only heard it on the radio, which is hard to link to.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 6, 2008 6:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

damn

that was fast. How the hell does a guy go from pitching in the eigth inning to being diagnosed with bone spurs two hours later?

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Aug 5, 2008 11:12 PM CDT   0 recs

he knew

about it for a while, but was trying to pitch through it, he obviously couldnt

by blalock84 on Aug 5, 2008 11:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i think

this is something he really just wanted to pitch through and help the team, but he obviously couldnt. I feel sorry for the guy knowing that now, he just couldnt cut it when he was hurt

by blalock84 on Aug 5, 2008 11:13 PM CDT   0 recs

Get well soon CJ.

"Mr. Hicks, you watch, I'm going to be a leader on this team." Kinsler

by sprite on Aug 5, 2008 11:15 PM CDT   0 recs

+ 1 million

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Aug 6, 2008 4:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Angels being 1 hit in the 9th.

Too bad they pulled that one out of their ass last night, or we would be looking at a 4 game losing streak.

by Ranger Capt on Aug 5, 2008 11:17 PM CDT   0 recs

seriously

follow the red sox and and the twins

the angels have no shot to not win this division by 15 games

by kumizi on Aug 5, 2008 11:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Huh?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 5, 2008 11:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

seriously?

Tex, the ultimate cooler, as long as Tex is at 1st base in LAA we have a chance, more of a joke than anything

by blueballlefty on Aug 5, 2008 11:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's so dumb

Do you really believe that?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 6, 2008 12:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

IDK

every locker room the guy has been in there have been plenty of teamates that cant wait to get him out. The guy is 100% a ME guy doesnt care at all about team, all he wants is money, and thats fine if thats how you want to be, but I dont want players like that on my team ever, it never works out.

by blueballlefty on Aug 6, 2008 12:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They said the same thing about JD Drew

And then he hits an important post season HR, gets a sparkly diamond ring and now he’s a gamer.

History is full of similar stories.

Guys are never winners until they’re put on teams that win.

Funny how that works out.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 6, 2008 12:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Alex Rodriguez?

History is full of curses, my friend.

by oc on Aug 6, 2008 12:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Eli Manning and Kevin Garnett know what you're talking about

Huge chokers those two.

Huge.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 6, 2008 12:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1 MM

For every post in this string.

by philkid3 on Aug 6, 2008 12:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Are the bone spurs...

inside his skull? That seems to be where the real problem is.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Aug 5, 2008 11:18 PM CDT   0 recs

+2

I think the time off will be good for him mentally as much as anything physical.

by 6th street on Aug 5, 2008 11:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The timing of the move

less than thirty minutes after a big win, and a game that he was throwing 96, seems to me like the move may have had something to do with the obvious disrespect that he showed his manager and his teammates. I think Wash had his ass diagnosed as soon as he threw that tantrum on the mound. I mean, wouldn’t a normal injury with time on the DL just be announced in the papers?

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Aug 5, 2008 11:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

1000%.

Noone on his team wants him up there after tonight. They don’t want to go to battle with him. He has no guts.

by Ryin A on Aug 5, 2008 11:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no guts

you dont know him, where do you get off making such an indictment on somebody, pretty harsh to say that from your freaking couch

by blueballlefty on Aug 5, 2008 11:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

CJ is the only person who knew if he could play through it. There is no WAY they would let him harm himself or the team because of this.

"Purity of heart is to will one thing" - Kierkegaard

by outofnace on Aug 6, 2008 6:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

sorry dude

when someone shows up your manager and your teammates then yeah, you have no guts.

by Ryin A on Aug 6, 2008 6:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that was a response

for blueballlefty

by Ryin A on Aug 6, 2008 6:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 5, 2008 11:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I remember you being a pretty big CJ fan too...

what do you think should end up happening with him?

"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2

by tdi1985 on Aug 6, 2008 12:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Same thing I've said for a while

he should be stretched out into a starter.

He doesn’t have closer stuff.

Let him have a real shot at starting and if he fails there he’s a LOOGY.

He’ll never ever be a closer, imo.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

good call...

that’s sort of where I’ve been for a while now, when it comes to him.

"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2

by tdi1985 on Aug 6, 2008 12:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't really understand this

If he doesn’t have “closer stuff” - how can he have “starter stuff?” I mean, if you can’t get guys out in one inning - how can you get guys out over 6?

I mean, I understand the thought behind CJ in the rotation—he throws lots of pitches, when he commands them he’s hard to hit.

But, I don’t see how just stretching him out makes him a better pitcher.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 6, 2008 7:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Tru Dat

I also don’t see how someone that is a failed closer is going to have the stuff to get through the lineup multiple times. It would seem closers are usually found the reverse way(failed starter). He does throw something like 6 pitches, but how many of those are plus pitches that he can locate consistently.

Not saying a closer can’t become a starter but it’s generally the dominant type. I think ultimately CJ ends up being a setup guy that you can call in during high leverage situations. He can get out the occasional righty but I don’t want to see him out there facing three rightys in a row.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Aug 6, 2008 10:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not to your closer thats probably announced as soon as its known

and I think the ordeal on the mound had more to do with CJ being disappointed in himself than anything. where do you douche’s get off talking about CJ like this, if what he said was true then this is more Ron’s fault than anyones. a player in CJ’s position is always going to want fight through an injury and be a part of something special, like what this team has going, its up to the trainers and coach’s to not let him continue. so like i’ve said before get OFF his ASS

by blueballlefty on Aug 5, 2008 11:40 PM CDT to parent up   1 recs

Wow

I didn’t know CJ’s boyfriend posted on this site.

"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08

by badradiorules on Aug 5, 2008 11:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Surprise

There are people who actually still like C.J.

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"If I buy this team, Chris Davis will end up suing me for sexual harassment." - Me
"Oh, but it will be worth it. a few million to you at that point will be pocket change." - LAMuscleFag

by baseballismyboyfriend on Aug 6, 2008 12:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

huh

what did i say that makes me CJ’s BF the guy is a team player does all the right things and a lot of douche’s turn on him in a heartbeat, and now the guy is injured and it doesnt even matter its like F him, he has a couple of bad games and everybody is like screw him, its wrong to do a guy like that.

by blueballlefty on Aug 6, 2008 12:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

All of a sudden?

This has been building since spring training. First, he pisses off his teammates (maybe their fault for not having a sense of humor). Then, he is progressively worse as the season goes along, but manages to hold things together by a string to keep an acceptable save rate. Next, he decided to just throw a bunch of guys under the bus on the ticket for being bad teammates. The string breaks and he is utterly horrible. He pulls a dick move with Wash, whose ass he should be kissing for believing enough in him to keep throwing him out there.

That is far from a “a couple of bad games.” As for this injury, there are very few pitchers in baseball at this point in the season who aren’t pitching through some form of discomfort. I obviously don’t know the extent of his injury, but I’m sure most pitchers in the league wouldn’t mind having an injury that allows them to tune it up to 96 MPH.

"So you think the Celtics will beat Detroit? Hell will freeze over before that happens, mark my words." miles 5/20/08

by badradiorules on Aug 6, 2008 1:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+ 1 well done

Exactly….this is not about bone spurs, it’s about disrespect. this has been festering for quite a while. I love C J but let’s face it he got a little too full of himself starting with the spring training fiasco and it came back to bite him in the ass. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of his teammates were subconsciously wishing him FAIL.

There is no status, except for me. Because I am who I am.

MILES

by LAMuscleFag on Aug 6, 2008 8:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A couple of games? I generally consider “couple” to mean 2 or 3.

by aggierangerfan00 on Aug 6, 2008 7:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A gay joke!

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 6, 2008 12:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Too much blogging is bad for the arm.

Hopefully this doesn’t affect his Guitar Hero career.

by Hard8 on Aug 5, 2008 11:20 PM CDT   1 recs

hmm

he did start sucking once he left here.

Josh Hamilton is better than you.

by Longhorn on Aug 5, 2008 11:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It makes sense, sorta

I mean, he’s never had pinpoint control, but he’s been really wild since the ASB. An injury would explain it, I guess.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Aug 5, 2008 11:27 PM CDT   0 recs

CJ

I dont know how much bone spurs hurt his but he needs to fix that. They might be affecting him mentally more than anything. And Im talking about not just the walks but throwing bad strikes.

Even though he throws 95, his FB is pretty straight and he cant just throw it by guys when they know its coming. His slider is very mediocre and has been non existent recently. He has no curve or changeup that Ive seen.

Its hard to get by with just a fastball and a mediocre breaking pitch unless you can spot the fastball wherever you want.

by kumizi on Aug 5, 2008 11:32 PM CDT   0 recs

If he's really got bone spurs...

Seems like a poor decision in retrospect to send him out there day after day, running up his innings pitched and continuing to watch him struggle to get out of innings in fewer than 20 or 25 pitches. I can’t imagine they’d continue running him out there to watch him fail knowing he was hurt, but then again, this is the Rangers… It’s gotta be a tired arm and frustration more than anything, doesn’t it?

CJ’s biggest problem right now is his mentality on the mound. His emotions have gotten the best of him and he’s struggling to keep control of himself in games. Injury or not, 2+ weeks off should go a long way…

by N41D on Aug 5, 2008 11:37 PM CDT   0 recs

Ceej's biggest problem...

Is that the league figured out he doesn’t throw strikes… keep the bat on your shoulder, and let CJ do all the work… I think he’s also got another problem with the umps, and that’s having a rep as a guy who doesn’t have good command, so he gets zero close calls… it’s a syndrome that plagued Bobby Witt back in the day… as opposed to a Greg Maddox type who would get six inches on the outside of the plate because he could hit that spot consistently…
As far as the injury, I think you could take almost any pitcher with as many innings minor/major as CJ, give ‘em an MRI and find some signs of bone spurs… but I’m kind of with the guys who are saying if you have serious bone spurs, you’re not bringing it in at 95… but I’ll also allow as how minor bone spurs could affect his ability to throw breaking balls effectively.
For the most part though, I think the guy has a ten cent head when it comes to competing at the major league level… which isn’t saying he’s stupid… in fact he may have the opposite issue and be overthinking it way to much… Paralysis by analysis can be tough as hell to overcome…

by JReddog on Aug 5, 2008 11:47 PM CDT   0 recs

I bet we bring up

Yukinaga Maeda he’s left handed and hey who wouldnt want a bullpen of two lefty’s that when added together there age almost equals 80

by blueballlefty on Aug 5, 2008 11:51 PM CDT   0 recs

Benoit...

isnt this the obvious move?? Im not sure why nobody else is saying this

by blalock84 on Aug 5, 2008 11:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

or Littleton

last 10 appearances:

0.75 era in 12.0 ip with 4 bb and 17 k

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Aug 6, 2008 12:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

the post game show said benoit was coming back in his place

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Aug 6, 2008 12:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wow

benny has had one decent outing in AAA and has been ROCKED everywhere else, I saw him pitch in Frisco a week ago and he was T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E as bad as CJ has been he still hasnt been as bad as Benny this year

by blueballlefty on Aug 6, 2008 12:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It might be because...

He’s had two very good outings in AAA following an outing in AA where he looked like the old Benoit – throwing 93-95 with a late-breaking, mid-80s slider and sick change-up.

That’s probably why his last 4 rehab innings have this line: 4 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K

Not only have his results swung back to what we’d expect out him, he’s physically LOOKED like the 2007 Joaquin Benoit. He’s ready, and he should be pretty damn good.

It's filed under 'D'... for donut.

by NoNameOnCard on Aug 6, 2008 1:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Damn...

The Rangers ‘pen sure could use the ‘07 Jack right about now.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 6, 2008 5:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that leaves one lefty...

...having a pen with one lefty is bad…

see: New York Yankees

where’s A.J.?

by oc on Aug 6, 2008 12:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Where's Rheino?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Aug 6, 2008 1:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Throacic Outlet Syndrome (same thing Hank had last year).

He’s out for the year if I remember correctly.

"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin

by utlonghorn24 on Aug 6, 2008 2:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought

he could come back sometime after the AS break

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Aug 6, 2008 11:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think that's correct

However, I haven’t heard anything about him…I wonder what happened?

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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by Rodney on Aug 6, 2008 1:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yankees

Haven’t had a lefty until the deadline. It can be done but obviously is going to hurt you matchup wise, especially since it will now be taboo to use EddieG in a situation other than the ninth.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Aug 6, 2008 10:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just not sure what to think...

Very questionable timing. Wouldn’t they have checked this out in the last couple days when he wasn’t pitching and working on “mechanical issues”?

It sucks how BGL has fallen apart at the seams this year. I think many have forgotten how good he was last year. It still seems to me at least that the stuff is still there. I just think the guy has some issues with the mentality of closing. He has made