Still more C.J. stuff

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 6, 2008 12:23 PM CDT Comment 33 comments

After the jump...

Jeff Wilson offers his thoughts on the C.J. Wilson situation, and suggests that some of it could be a by-product of the firing of Mark Connor and Dom Chiti, two coaches who, Jeff says C.J. says, understood him.

Wilson also says that this is something that will be handled by teammates, and then everyone will move on.

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CJ

This doesn’t even compare to what Ponson did when he was here and it isn’t even close to the Steve Smith thing. He was completely wrong in comparing him to them

by meatbonelefty on Aug 6, 2008 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

?

Did Wilson say that it wasn’t as bad as those things?

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 6, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He said it wasn't as bad as those things

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Aug 6, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Video of the ball flip ...

Is up right here

by Eamus J Catuli on Aug 6, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Kudos

Great link. Completely different angle than shown on FSN.

I like the way Wash gave him the butt pat after all that.

The the best part was the OFers jump bumping after the win.

by T Coleman on Aug 6, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

butt pat

That was cool. Kind of a little “I ain’t mad atcha” moment.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Aug 6, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

one thing about this CJ situation

It really sucks that he is going through this rough spot like this. Because of someo of the things he said and the way he’s perceived, he’s going through this rough spot with no friends.

How many times have we seen terrible players being supported and lobbied for because they were deemed “good guys who play the game the right way?” I don’t think CJ is a bad guy at all and I think his priorities have always been about playing baseball and winning first and foremost. His only problem was that he was a bit more candid than other players.

I get that flipping the baseball wasn’t the smartest thing but it just seems like right now, there isn’t one guy willing to stick up for CJ and say, “kid’s going through a rough spot, he’s young, give him a break.” Seems like this animosity has spiraled out of control, almost to the point that I don’t think he’s ever going to be happy here.

Very sad. The guy actually wanted the Rangers to win and cared about the fans and the franchise.

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Aug 6, 2008 12:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

+1

Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."

by LBBRangerFan on Aug 6, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he's 28

not that young.

by 6th street on Aug 6, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Being 28 myself, I concur.

by rcreative on Aug 6, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not 28 yet

Until November

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by baseballismyboyfriend on Aug 6, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who

Would know better about what kind of guy he is—you or his teammates? If he’s consistently pissing off people he spends the majority of his time with, that’s not “how he’s perceived”, that’s how he is.

I really don’t understand why everybody here rushes to be the first to nurse the guy back to health.

What—you don’t think Millwood has had some problems the last two years? But when he sucks, nobody gives two shits about his mental well-being or his need for some time off.

Also, he’s not that young anymore. The coddling of C.J. Wilson is one of the greatest mysteries of LSB.

by brettgardner on Aug 6, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i wouldn't have said anything

if anyone had said “CJ’s a good pitcher and I think he’ll be fine,” then I wouldn’t have said anything. Except nobody has said anythign remotely close and it sounds like 24 players, managers, and upper management are bashing CJ. I don’t remember the last time there was that much animosity against one player – certainly not Millwood.

And, if I had any reason to think that Millwood was a nice guy and was getting treated unfairly, I would stick up for him too. Yeah, I only saw a few of CJ’s posts here buy I think I got a good idea of the type of person he is. A little arrogant, a little full of himself, and maybe a little attention grabbing but generally a nice guy who cared about winning.

I’m pretty sure I know what type of person you are from your posts. ;)

And forget the young comment. I just think 27 is still an age where you can expect people to change and grow up.

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Aug 6, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sorry

he’s 27. turns 28 in november. still, not that young.

by 6th street on Aug 6, 2008 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

28 is young...even in baseball years

trust me on this one, i would love to be 28 again…..lol

by TRFAN on Aug 6, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

27 is young to me!

by Bigfan16 on Aug 6, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

let's trade him to the Nats

for Lannan. They love toolsy troublemakers.

by jcAustin on Aug 6, 2008 1:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

CJ/Wash

I think this stuff is getting blown out of proportion, and I think/hope that CJ will be ok. But my big takeaway from this whole ordeal has to do with Ron Washington. I’m impressed with how he handled a very difficult situation last night. We’ve seen some coaches in the league act like buffoons, getting in fist fights with their players, calling them out in the media, heckling players on the other team from the dugout, the Ozzie Guillen school of management. The truly class managers, the Joe Torres of the world, command the respect of their players at the same time that they demonstrate loyalty to them. That’s the kind of manager Washington is. I think he showed it by going to bat for Padilla after the balks on Monday and for the way he handled the situation on the mound last night.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Aug 6, 2008 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

trza, on a totally different note

you reminded me of my first MLB baseball game.
Grew up in upstate NY and my father had a contract in NYC for two years. Times were tough and my father worked his ass to provide for his family. One summer I got to go to NYC for a week with him and he splurged far beyond his ability to take me to a Yankee game. I was shocked and felt like the kid in Willy Wonka’s movie opening his Christmas chocolate bar. The day came and my father just made it out of work to take me to the game in time. It was a great game but my father was very tired. I knew Sparky Lyle was going to close the game out and the Yankees would win so I asked if we could leave the game early. My dad looked relieved and we went to his apartment. The next day I found out that Sparky blew the save, the Yanks lst the game in extra innings and Billy Martin and Reggie Jackson got into a fight in the dugout (would had a great view of the fight from my seat.) While I got screwed in making the decision to leave the game early and missing the buffoonery, I did know I did the right thing by my father and to this day I am grateful for all the sacrifices he made to make my life better.

by Bigfan16 on Aug 6, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs

That's a great story

It’s funny, I imagine most people on here have their own dad-related baseball memory that they really cherish. I know I’ve got a few of my own.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Aug 6, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice

story.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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by Rodney on Aug 6, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

rec

love family stories about the game

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by Jayslick on Aug 6, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agree with trza

I certainly don’t agree with Wash’s history of strategic baseball moves, but this has indeed been the best week of his career. Jeff Wilson pointed out something that I’d been thinking about: Washington’s lightning quick, reflexive move after having the ball flipped to him said volumes about his self-confidence and control. CJ’s ball-flip told us everything we need to know about his current state of mind and Wash’s reaction left no doubts about his self-assuredness and posture.

II Cor. 4:17-18

by TedFord on Aug 6, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

true

by jcAustin on Aug 6, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Minor Point

But Wilson was wrong when he said CJ Wilson flipped him the ball before he’d ever asked for it. Wash was walking out to the mound with his hand out. Nothing wrong with that, of course. Like I said it’s a really minor point.

Maybe it wasn’t in Wilson’s post. I could’ve been that other blog in the other post. Whatever, though. Doesn’t matter anyway.

by Black Francis on Aug 6, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

First of all..

I bet C J was PISSED when he entered the game last night. It was confirmation that the closer job had/was slipping away from him. So when Wash came out he was pissed at Wash AND pissed about his effort. If he were just pissed about his effort or lack there/of he most likely wouldn’t have given Wash the attitude that landed him in the doghouse.

I've never seen a pitcher with "bone spur" issues throw 96 mph. The only spurs I'm aware of are the spurs that Wash has buried in C J's ass as he rides him. I love ya C J but welcome to Wash's DOGHOUSE.
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by LAMuscleFag on Aug 6, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Could one positive...

of all this be that they’ll strech him out and try him as a starter in AA/AAA when he’s healthy? Seems like that is where he’s always wanted to be and might help him move pass the mental issues.

by Captain Snappy on Aug 6, 2008 2:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

how would yall

compare this with the Prince shoving incident?

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 6, 2008 3:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Not the same thing.

Two players are on an equal level.

Players are not on the same level as managers.

by Bigfan16 on Aug 6, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and yet CJ didn't shove him

he tossed the ball up in the air. he was upset, frustrated, at himself, and maybe a little at Wash and a little at his health. was it OK? no. was it physically crossing the line? no. HUGE fuss about something that will either be taken care of appropriately by the team, manager and CJ, or won’t and he’ll move on. I’m betting on the former. too bad we can’t focuis on 3 wins in a row, 6 games over .500, and closing on the Yankees and AL Central’s wild card leader. if only we could pick up this steam and carry it over to the Boston series…what great opportunities lay ahead

"So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know... "

by Walter Sobchak on Aug 6, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs