3 trades to make before next spring
by The Ahmad on Aug 7, 2008 3:13 PM CDT
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I want to propose the following trades and see if you would make those trades and if you think it would improve your Texas Rangers in 2009 and beyond.
Trade Uno
Marlins and Rangers..
Marlins get: Elvis Andrus, Eric Hurley, and Nelson Cruz
Rangers get: Hanley Ramirez
Trade Dos
Reds and Rangers..
Reds get: Gerald Laird
Rangers get: Homer Bailey
Trade Tres
Royals and Rangers..
Royals get: a pick of one of our top pitchers in the minors NOT named Neftali (sp?), Blalock, Salty, and another top to med minor leaguer
Rangers get: Zack Greinke
That would give us two solid arms and an All-Star SS for years to come. We can then move MY to 3rd and have an infield of MY, Ramirez, Kinsler, Davis.
Our Catcher would then be Teagarden
Our 5 would be Greinke, Bailey, Padilla, Millwood, McCarthy with Harrison and Hunter ready to step in in the minors. We could then move Feldman and Mendoza to the Bullpen and let Eddie walk in the off season and try and trade Benoit.
It would weaken our minor league system no doubt but we would greatly upgrade our MLB team with young and proven talent.
I would also resign MB only if he can play the OF 70% of the time next year and beyond because I want MaxRam as my backup catcher and everyday DH.
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I like them,
but what would be the TRUE possibility of those trades even comming close to going through??
High
We are trade good young talent for these guys. Elvis I think is the next Hanley Ramirez and Florida is getting a SS, Pitcher, and Nelson Cruz whom I believe is a good player and will develop into a very nice everyday OF for years to come.
Free Palestine!
Enjoy
Aikman and Bradshaw?
Please. They are in the same league as Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahon as QBs who were taken to the SB by great Defenses and great Running Games.
-DJCahill
by SarasotaRanger on Aug 7, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope
Cruz is 27 or 28 years old and has never shown he can hit MLB pitching. He has no trade value. Hurley is a mid-rotation starter and Elvis has not shown anything to suggest he is the next Hanley. I realize that Hanley never showed much power in the minors, but just because he went from little power to 40 bombs, doesn’t mean that every skinny Latin SS can do the same thing. There is no way Florida makes that deal.
Cruz...
...I believe he will be a ML FA.
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Depending on who the mysterious minor leaguer is in the KC deal
that one might fly, though I fail to see why they’d agree to take on Blalock when they have Gordon at 3rd and Butler can play 1b. Something like Salty, Borbon, Holland and Poveda would probably get it done. Think about the Dan Haren deal when thinking of Grienke.
That Hanley trade is just f’ing ridiculous. May as well ask them to throw in Uggla and Maybin.
Who knows what Bailey’s value is at this point. My guess is the Reds are just going to hold on to him. There’s no way they could get real value for him at this point.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
If it was Salty, Borbon, Holland, and Poveda
I don’t think I would do it. IMO, I think Holland can be a future ace and Salty will eventually figure things out.
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for HANLEY RAMIREZ?
you wouldnt do salty/borbon/holland/poveda
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
oops misread
grienke
my offer would be:
would salty/poveda or phillips/holland get it done though? would YOU do it?
(fwiw, i dont think it would get it done for KC)
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
That's almost as ridiculous as Ahmad's Hanley offer.
Well, okay. No it’s not. But, still…
Anyone who wouldn’t deal Salty/Poveda or Dutch/Phillips for Grienke is crazy.
He’s worth far more than that.
Even if you don’t like him you’d have to do those deals just so you could flip him to another team for a package of better prospects, cause he’d bring back a much nicer package than either of those.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Greinke
I’m not sure why everyone is on the dude’s jock.
He’s not been that good outside of an outstanding start. He pitches in a pretty pitcher-friendly park with a decent defense behind him, but he’s HR prone and lacks great stuff.
He seems like a 4.50 ERA guy in Arlington to me, and he only has 1 year of team control left and is a headcase.
Where’s the great value in a guy like that?
Well he has 2 years of team control left after this one, so that's one thing
Plus he has great pure stuff and he’s still very young (only 24) so there’s reason to believe he could improve. He’s shown flashes of greatness, or at least very-goodness. He has a very nice k/bb (131/42 in 146ip this year). There aren’t any big injury concerns. He’s apparently put all his psychological issues that made him a “head case” behind him. His FIP the past two year have been 3.74 and 3.80, which are both really pretty darn good. I think he’s better than you think. A pitcher like that has serious value, whether you want him for your team or not.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
+ 10000000
thank you sir!!
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-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
To tell you the truth
I think a healthy McCarthy could equal Greinke.
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
by LSJ on Aug 7, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
4.50
Oh, if we could only find 3 or 4 guys who do that.
And, while I think that some people are going a little crazy over him here, he’s a little better than you are making him out to be.
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by badradiorules on Aug 7, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Another trade
You forgot these:
Juaquin Arias for Tim Lincecum
Marlon Byrd for Josh Beckett
John Rheinecker for the reanimated corpse of Ted Williams.
Fire Ron Washington
Wow
That Hanley trade is just so ridiculously not enough. Like, wow.
It’s funny that you included Nelson Cruz in there.
Funny “Ha-Ha”.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Not a bannable offense
Anytime you read “x trades we should make before next year by The Ahmad”, you should open the thread only for the comedic qualities that it will no doubt contain.
If click on it looking for intelligent baseball opinions and thought provoking concepts and you’re frustrated by the content, its your own fault. You should know better by now.
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 7, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
it pushes down decent threads that we might actually want to read
and when the extent of your contribution is “hey guys, let’s all watch me rosterbait”, I’d argue it is very much a bannable offense.
+1
you should have at least a minimal understanding of baseball to post on lonestarball, much akin to the “you must be X tall to ride this ride” at the carnival.
I'd argue that there's not a whole lot of meat
in the fanposts section these days. I’m not sure that if something gets pushed off the page that you’re missing a whole lot anyway.
These types of posts have become the norm this year.
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 7, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
The hanley trade is surely cause for a ban.
And I wouldnt give up 2 top pitching prospects, salty and blalock for 2 years of greinke. hes not THAT good.
the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is
Nah
What we really need to do is trade for Pujols, A-Rod, Webb, and Santana.
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The Hanley trade
is seriously the worst trade I have EVER seen.
It’s so bad that if you proposed it in a video game, a hand would come out of the tv and smack you silly.
Worst trade ever
and cause for my first sig. was burnett for gold, arias, and a middling prospect
I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.
oh and that was made a couple of months ago
and on second thought it wasnt my first sig., just my first that was quoting someone else on this page.
I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.
No worst trade proposal ever
was when the Rangers were in Cleaveland and some guy in the newspaper said Andy Marte and 2 other late 20’s prospects, I think, for Josh Hamilton. And I remember TAG’s reaction.” You know I’m pretty sure the Rangers wouldnt even take 2 of those guys if the Indians just gave them to them, and you expect the Rangers to do this.”
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Hanley Ramirez
Maybe if we substituted CD for Cruz AND threw in Main or Beavan. Seriously, dumb.
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t ball
hanley
davis, andrus, feliz, teagarden + throw in arm (young latin kid, holland, beavan, main) might not be enough to get the guy
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
please
that’d be enough to get pretty much anyone.
Aikman and Bradshaw?
Please. They are in the same league as Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahon as QBs who were taken to the SB by great Defenses and great Running Games.
-DJCahill
by SarasotaRanger on Aug 7, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
*I don't know who'd be worth that though
not Hanley. This teams needs effing pitching. You make big moves for a young star pitcher like Lincecum or Liriano. However, I wouldn’t give up all of that for either of those guys either.
Aikman and Bradshaw?
Please. They are in the same league as Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahon as QBs who were taken to the SB by great Defenses and great Running Games.
-DJCahill
by SarasotaRanger on Aug 7, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
How many drugs
would you have to give their GMs to make this happen?
"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain
i think everyone has hurt the poor guys feelings!!
but after that, hahahaha!!!
Think we should trade for Rusty Greer, Will Clark, Micky Tetleton, Bobby Whitt for Hamilton, Kinsler, and Feliz!!!
to show my giant wanker, bro!
duh!!!
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
With the contract Hanley just signed...
There’s no way the Marlins trade him. I’d put the over/under at about 2.5%, and take the under without hesitation.
For a team that has a reputation of alienating their fan base by trading off elite young talent once it becomes to expensive, there’s no way they’d be able to justify trading off Hanley Ramirez at 24 years old signed through 2014 for what looks to be below market value…
By definition, if YOU choose the over/under, that means you think the number you chose is 50/50
Thus, you can’t set the over/under and then choose one of them.
Pet peeve.
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
No
by definition where you pick the over/under is where you think the majority of betters will balance out.
Oddsmakers and bookies are free to take one side of the line or the other if they feel the betting public will be on the wrong side.
"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain
For this particular situation, semantics
As someone who spent countless saturday and sunday aftermoons in his early 20’s with a 5 o’clock shadow,a gold sheet, and a nervous tic, I can assure you that I am well aware of that distinction. Totals were my favorite bet.
But when using this particular gambling metaphor to make your point, I think it sounds oddly ridiculous. Usually the person making the comment is trying to convey that they think the odds are really low (in this case), not “I think the odds of this happening will be perceived as quite low by the general public, and I am personally much, much more bearish than them.”
If that’s what he meant, fine.
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
i would only do the homer bailey trade
we shouldn’t trade any young pitching, especially eric hurley. i wouldnt do the hanley trade and the marlins wouldnt either. depending on which pitcher we give for greinke then i might do that
Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future
No
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
WHY are people in love with eric hurley
what did he show at AAA?
5.74 era, 24.7 ip, 9:13 bb:k, 5 HR allowed, allowed 9.49 hits/9, 1.42 whip, 77 era+ in 5 starts in the majors
5.30 era, 74 ip, 29:72 bb:k, 15 hr allowed, allowed 10.37 hits/9, 1.54 whip
last year at AAA:
4.91 era, 73.1 ip, 28:59 k:bb, 13 hr allowed, 1.27 whip
over his career: only topped 8 k/9 once (2005 in clinton – 155 IP and 2008 in oklahoma city)
2007 AAA: 3.44 bb/9
2008 AAA: 3.50 bb/9
2008 MLB: 3.28 bb/9
over his last 171ish IP the guy has allowed 33 HR.
WHY does anyone think he is more than a #3 at BEST?
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
I don't get it either.
He got clubbed in his first stint in OKC. He got clubbed even worse in his 2nd stint in OKC, yet still was subsequently called up. If someone isn’t ready, don’t call him up. This is reminiscent of us calling up Volquez in ‘06 even though his control was horrible (he had the worst BB-IP ratio in all of minor-league baseball among all starting pitchers with 75 or more IP, even worse than Thomas Diamond’s and fellow walk machine Radhames Liz). What a surprise that Volquez got destroyed and that two years later his control is still pretty bad. He was rushed to the bigs unfinished.
#3's at best
As a Ranger fan, I place a high value on those, especially the cheap and under long term control variety.
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
Yup
Consider that if we had a team ERA of around 4.50 we’d probably be leading the WC race right now.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
the issue is that some
think hes gonna be a #2 or even a #1 – see some signatures around here
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
Classic
This board needs a “Classics” section so idiotic and moronic threads like this one can be held in the glory they deserve.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
+1
there ought to be a hall of fame for posts like this. specifically, posts of a serious nature with high unintentional comedic value.
So who do we put in your starting five after the first week when...
McCarthy blows out his arm putting his fork in his mouth, and Millwood slips stepping out of the shower and pulls his groin?
On a semi-related note
I’m all for getting Bailey. I have to think that a change of scenery would benefit him.
But….I hope that no one who wants to bring him over thinks that he’s necessarily going to step right in and be a cog in a good rotation. He’s kind of a mess right now, and he’s still really young.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
Bailey
I brought up the idea of a Bailey for one of our catchers deal to Will Carroll last weekend, and he said he could see it. Will also said that the stories about Bailey not being very responsive to coaching are also true, and that the Reds question whether or not he really wants to play baseball.
Bailey might be a good “buy low” candidate, but yeah, he’s apparently a real mess at the moment.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
Bailey
Same here. We should move a catcher in the offseason, and Bailey as a buy-low arm. The guy has a low 3 ERA in his career at AAA. If we could get him for Laird + low level prospect I’d be ecstatic.
Plaschke: Scioscia, the former Dodgers catcher, is the model manager who has created an atmosphere of winning.
Junior:It's that simple. Mike Scioscia brings a Glade Plug-In labeled "Winning™" into the clubhouse and everyone who breathes it in gains 15 points in average.
“Royals and Rangers..
Royals get: a pick of one of our top pitchers in the minors NOT named Neftali (sp?), Blalock, Salty, and another top to med minor leaguer
Rangers get: Zack Greinke”
Why would the Royals want Blalock? To play 3B? Nope, Alex Gordon is there. 1B? Nope, stud prospect Kila Kaaihue is going to be their starting 1B next year if not by September. DH? Nope, not with Billy Butler there.
Why don’t we just keep Blalock until Andrus is ready to go and Young subsequently has to be shifted to 3B? Pick up Blalock’s option for next year, let him play until Andrus is ready, and if Andrus is ready by the deadline, deal Blalock then. If Andrus isn’t ready until late next season, just keep Blalock for the whole year and hopefully he’ll have performed well enough to be deemed a Type-B FA after the season (even though he didn’t/won’t do much this year) and get us a draft pick.
Except
MY’’s range is going to continue to deteriorate after this year and honestly, who knows if Blalock’s shoulder is going to hold up to play 3rd base for the entire year.
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Kila Kaaihue is a stud 1b prospect?
Not to be mean, but he’s the Nate Gold of KC. As in, he sucks.
He’s a 23 year old 1b who has posted a sub-.800 ops in A+ and AA this year.
Brace yourselves, Kansas City! Your savior is coming!
Though I whole-heartedly agree that no one wants any part of Hankles this off season. Why would they? He officially sucks.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Huh?
Maybe you’re looking at the wrong year.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/statistics/players/cards/?pl_id=63397
2008:
Between double-AA Northwest Arkansas and AAA-Omaha, Kaaihue has a combined:
30 HR;
85 RBI;
84 BB’s;
46 K’s;
.321 BA
.464 OBP;
.641 SLG;
1.105 OPS
Hmmm
Two good stints, one in the Cal league and the other in the TX league. I’m suspicious that it’s park aided, and his overall minors numbers are definitely not stud-like. A 24-yr. old repeating AA might not be a stud.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
Ah, I was indeed
I just looked at the most year on firstinning.com and assumed it was ‘08.
Though I still hesitate to call him an elite prospect.
The numbers are unreal, but he’s never done anything remotely like this before. If the production is real, then he’s a stud prospect. But good God he was putrid before this year, and he’s a 24 year old 1b who needs to hit or perish.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 8, 2008 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
firstinning.com
Sometimes I think that site only displays year-old player pages. I think it may be when they are updating after the previous night’s games because they are often fine shortly thereafter.
Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.
did he get traded from the braves or have a brother who plays for the braves
i always thought that kid had some decent potential if its the atlanta kid
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
heh
Yah, I’m too lazy to track it down and provide a link, but the two guys I absolutely had to have when Tex was rumored to the Braves were Kala and Neftali.
I’d say JD did a pretty good job of choosing from among my two man crushes.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 8, 2008 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
stud prospect
thats pushing it. isnt that guy like 25 already?
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
I almost missed
the part where he said he wants MaxRam to be his backup catcher and everyday DH.
Either this means we are carrying 3 catchers on the 25 man roster, or he plans on risking losing the DH every night by taking the chance that our starting catcher doesnt get hurt.
it almost bit us the other night when Laird was DH’ing. Theres a reason you dont see teams do that. Its called common sense.
I'd have no problem dealing Andrus or Borbon for the right price
I wouldn’t be surprised if Vallejo or Lemon end up better than Andrus, and I think it is pretty obvious that they wouldn’t retrieve nearly the same ballpark in return (I so punny).
Borbon is fool’s gold.
Sell high, baby.
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
Good trades
for the Rangers.
Why they wouldn’t happen:
1. Ramirez is a horrible defender at short. Infield defense needs to improve if we want to have groundball-type pitchers.
2. If it didn’t happen at the deadline, it won’t happen during the offseason.
3. Does Blalock still have any value? Will his option be picked up?
tell me youre joking
your reason why the trade wouldnt happen is because Hanley Ramirez is a subpar defender? REALLY?
my head is absolutely spinning right now. cannot compute.
I can see that
The Marlins call JD and offer Ramirez for Andrus, Hurley and Cruz. JD giggles and tells them no thanks because the 24 year old SS with the career .900 OPS isn’t a good enough defender.
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by LSBUser on Aug 7, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course it's not the only reason it wouldn't work
Hanley is an young cheap MVP-caliber player (offensively) . I know that. 2 prospects and a 4-A will never be enough to get him. I just didn’t want to point out the obvious.
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
None of those three are realistic
And Ramirez would be the guy to change positions, not Young. He’s a worse defender than Young.
Yeah, you think our mid-inflield defense is bad
Between Ugglan and Hanley, the Marlins might have the worst defensive double play combo in the majors. Good thing they can both hit kinda good.
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
Three trades I'd like to see
Frank Catalanotto for Cliff Lee
Gerald Laird for Carlos Quentin
Drew Meyer for Tim Lincecum
I think that would be swell.
"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain
i like where youre going
but dont you think that would leave us a little thin at the chubby white guy spot?
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 8, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't like the last one
Giving up a guy with Meyer’s versatility for someone that only plays once every 5 days sounds like a bad idea. I mean, come on, he can play like 4 different positions!!!
by CS3 on Aug 8, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Good point.
Maybe they should throw in Cain just to make it more even.
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