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Is anyone else here as beaten by Victor Rojas as I am?

Nadel and Grieve are obviously greatness.  Lewin is a little too gay (for lack of a better term) for my liking a lot of the time, but at least he comes across as enjoying himself during games and he has good chemistry with Grieve, so I can handle him.  To me, Rojas just comes across as a whiny know-it-all.  He's overly critical of the Rangers (and their opponent) when something wheels-off happens and he spends too much time editorializing instead of just describing the action.  When I'm listening on the radio, I mainly want to get a good picture in my mind of what exactly is going on, not hear Victor Rojas' two cents on everything.  I don't have to have Lewin-Grieve level homers (Nadel certainly isn't), but I would at least like a guy who acts like he's having a good time during games.  Besides, isn't that what Vince Cotroneo got fired for?  To me, Rojas is more negative than him.  Plus, he seemingly has no chemistry with Nadel.

Rojas reminds me of one of those bitter former players you sometimes hear who think the game was ten times better back when they played, only he doesn't even have the credibility of actually having played.  He just got to go to the clubhouse with his daddy back in the day.

Also his "big fly" home run call sucks, he uses the phrase "oppo-taco", and "middle half of the Xth inning" doesn't make any fucking sense.

Rant over. Who's with me?

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i thought he did

a solid job filling in for TAG earlier this year. i rarely listen to the radio broadcasts but when i have i havent been too enamoured with victor. he does come off as a little arrogant and maybe almost bitter sometimes.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 8, 2008 9:40 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Gagree

And I listen to about 70% of games on the radio.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Aug 8, 2008 9:44 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Victor is just fine...

...the radio team works well individually and together.

Physician: Primum non nocere

Batter: First, make no out

by Chad Crudup on Aug 8, 2008 9:46 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Gay?

That’s stupid and homophobic.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Aug 8, 2008 9:47 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Not sure why

But that makes me think of this:

A Lonestar in California

We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.

by lonestarJon on Aug 8, 2008 9:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

huh?

We can’t use the word ‘gay’ anymore?

Seems like the English language is getting pared down to only a few boring, generic phrases that we are allowed to say without offending somebody.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Aug 8, 2008 9:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm just saying

It’s not cool. Like it wouldn’t be cool if someone said Tom Hicks was trying to “jew” a player in arbitration, or whatever.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Aug 8, 2008 6:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah, Gay

Gay in the Bad Radio “Gay or Not Gay” sense. Obviously not in the having sex with other guys sense.

by Jeff Lebowski on Aug 8, 2008 10:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Seriously

go get a thesaurus if the best term you can think of is ‘gay’. Using ‘gay’ as a catch-all derogatory term is moronic. It’s right up there with ‘I know you are but what am I.’

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Aug 8, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

dude

did you get blown by a bitter male chimp one time or what?

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Aug 8, 2008 11:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

don't bring up bad memories of our trip to Bangkok, dude

I have things I could tell about you too..

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com

by WhipSmart on Aug 8, 2008 3:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

Using “gay” as a synonym for “bad” is as stupid as someone saying, “Don’t be a Jew.”
Hopefully in the coming years people will stop seeing homosexuality as a bad thing, and thereby stop using “gay” as a derogatory term.

by naropean on Aug 8, 2008 12:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

"gay"

you could say flamboyant or pansy or even girly (which I guess would offend an even larger group).

But I agree that using the term “gay” is not cool. No reason to offend people and it’s not very descriptive to begin with. I get what you mean (everybody gets it) but you are going to make people mad and you’re always going to have to come back with “In the BaD radio sense of the word” and it’s going to be more trouble than it’s worth.

BTW, I’m not going to take my language cues from radio DJ’s. As a whole, they could all drop dead and the world would be a better place. Losers – all of them.

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Aug 8, 2008 1:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

huh?

Using the word “gay” is offensive, but stereotyping everyone that performs a certain job function as “losers” and saying that the world would be better if they dropped dead is OK?

The irony of the PC police strikes again. You rush to defend one demographic you kick another in the face. Remember, there is no reason to offend people, even if they are straight.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Aug 8, 2008 2:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Um

using the word “gay” or the phrase “what a jew” or any such thing in any manner reflects one thing…

Immaturity.

Some people grow up, others dont.

Respect is a quality not everyone aquires in the process of growing up… Too bad.

Its time...

by PM Productions on Aug 8, 2008 4:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Never was a big fan

of Rojas on the Radio. Always thought Nadel deserved better, but I may have been irretrievably spoiled by Holtz/Nadel.

"And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago." -John McCain

by DJCahill on Aug 8, 2008 9:49 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Well if we're going to talk about the good old days...

...put me down as a huge Holtz/Nadel fan.

Obviuosly it was a sad day when Mark died but it was also a sad day when they broke up that team.

Physician: Primum non nocere

Batter: First, make no out

by Chad Crudup on Aug 8, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Recomended

I don’t really agree with it, but I like a good rant

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-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Aug 8, 2008 9:49 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

ROFL

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Aug 8, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Rojas does seem a bit arrogant

to me, i have not listened to the radio team since Mark and Eric in the 80s when we did not have as many tv games, but when Rojas filled in for Tag this year i did feel like he was not all that good at this.

by TRFAN on Aug 8, 2008 9:52 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I like Victor okay on the radio

He needs to have somebody like Nadel there to keep him in check, but I like him just fine. On the TV side though… yeesh. He and Lewin did not make a good team at all.

A Lonestar in California

We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.

by lonestarJon on Aug 8, 2008 9:52 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

The great thing about Nadel and Grieve

is that those guys are so knowledgable without a trace of ego.

Rojas has worn thin on me because his ego has grown to the point that I don’t really enjoy listening to him anymore. And I liked him a lot during his first couple years.

Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.

by tricer on Aug 8, 2008 10:01 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I just don't get all worked up

about this kind of thing.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 8, 2008 10:01 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Yes

that is exactly what I was trying to say. (eye roll)

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 8, 2008 11:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Agree for the most part

especially about the negativity. It’s telling that he’s critical only when something goes wrong. I prefer analysts that point out plays (bad or good) that don’t work the way their supposed to. I do think he and Nadel do have some chemistry and it seems like they have a good time hanging out. I think Victor’s a good guy but needs to ease off on the curmudgeon thing.

by jcAustin on Aug 8, 2008 10:04 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

+1

Victor comes across as whiny sometimes. I listen to the radio while I am at the ballpark and sometimes I wish he would just SFTU and tell me what actually happened.

"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08

by lisa w on Aug 8, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Not a big Rojas fan

I can stand him with Nadel only b/c Nadel is so good at what he does he seems to keep Victor in check. But next time Grieve has time off, get Steve Busby in that booth instead of Rojas. That was not a fun few weeks…

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com

by WhipSmart on Aug 8, 2008 10:21 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Busby? Really?

You must not be old enough to remember when he and Sundberg were the TV team. That was some seriously bad broadcasting.

Physician: Primum non nocere

Batter: First, make no out

by Chad Crudup on Aug 8, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

more than old enough

But when Busby was in the radio booth with Nadel, he just seemed to not fit well with Nadel, but sounded very much like he would make a great foil for Lewin.

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com

by WhipSmart on Aug 8, 2008 10:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

A Lonestar in California

We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.

by lonestarJon on Aug 8, 2008 10:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

"great foil for Lewin"...

...there’s some faint praise.

So do you remember how awful those Sunny/Busby broadcasts were?

Physician: Primum non nocere

Batter: First, make no out

by Chad Crudup on Aug 8, 2008 11:00 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That was my 1st exposure to the Rangers

I’ve been a homer ever since. No one in my family liked baseball, and I grew up on the fringes of KC/STL turf…basicly BFE.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley

by Rodney on Aug 8, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Did Busby touch you as a child or something?

yes, I remember those days and they didn’t have the slick FSN produced broadcasts they have now. I think you’re confusing ‘local with no budget’ with ’’awful’

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com

by WhipSmart on Aug 8, 2008 3:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think that Victor

would be better suited for either the play-by-play role on television or play-by-play on the radio. He seems pretty knowledgeable about the game, and he always has random knowledge about the game, sort of like Lewin and Nadel. That being said, I don’t want it to happen here in Texas. When Lewin and Rojas were working together, there were a lot of times where I was thinking, man they’re talking a lot, I wish one of them would shut up. The thing I like about TAG is that he keeps his comments brief, short, to the point. I think that TAG is a good color commentator, even though some of his statements are well-duh (but aren’t all color commentators like that?). TAG fits well in the booth just because of his knowledge of the Texas Rangers franchise – same with the great Eric Nadel.

by aggierangerfan00 on Aug 8, 2008 10:37 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

credibility

Did Rojas play minor league ball? He like to make definitive statements about plays. I just have a hard time believing him.

"An effortless 98" - Scott Gardner after Neftali Feliz's first AA pitch

by RangerMad on Aug 8, 2008 10:41 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

He did actually

Pitched in the Angels org for awhile and was also a minor league pitching coach at one point.

http://rangersannouncers.mlblogs.com/about.html

A Lonestar in California

We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.

by lonestarJon on Aug 8, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

He is?

Then he should really mention that more often during games…..

"I want to marry Chris Martin." - Miley Cyrus

by DaheelzCM on Aug 8, 2008 5:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Heh. That never gets old...

Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.

by Brian Thomas on Aug 8, 2008 5:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Victor's really not one to name-drop

He’s grown up with the game and knows it quite well.

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"If I buy this team, Chris Davis will end up suing me for sexual harassment." - Me
"Oh, but it will be worth it. a few million to you at that point will be pocket change." - LAMuscleFag

by baseballismyboyfriend on Aug 8, 2008 6:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Rojas

Is a beating, plain and simple. Nadel is greatness and he needs a better partner. If Rojas wasn’t all about Rojas, he might be tolerable.

Although, I do like oppo-taco..didn’t know that was his creation…

What's the rumpus?

by Hypo-Luxa on Aug 8, 2008 10:46 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

You know, as we sit here and discuss this

Look what I noticed on the Rangers site this morning:

http://rangersannouncers.mlblogs.com/

Josh Lewin is making dorky blog posts.

A Lonestar in California

We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.

by lonestarJon on Aug 8, 2008 10:47 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Dorky? That was pure awesome

but the Bowel Locker? Seriously?

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
ElectricOkra.com

by WhipSmart on Aug 8, 2008 10:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hey, I didn't say dorky was bad

A Lonestar in California

We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.

by lonestarJon on Aug 8, 2008 10:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hahaha

Touche.

A Lonestar in California

We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.

by lonestarJon on Aug 8, 2008 10:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

ROFL

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Aug 8, 2008 11:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

you idiots are forgetting that Rojas is a color analyst...

...it’s almost imperative he act like a “know-it-all”...

Nadel’s job is to paint the picture… Rojas’ job is to critique it. he does a damn fine job, if i may say so…

also… don’t give me this shit about how negative he is. Rojas bleeds Ranger blue. he picked them to win the West this year.

by oc on Aug 8, 2008 12:42 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

well

he doesn’t have to be like that. I like Grieve and he isn’t all that “know-it-all”

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Aug 8, 2008 1:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

A buddy of mine sent me a link telling me I was getting crushed over here…that’s cool. Broadcasting is subjective…so it’s virtually impossible to please all the people all the time. That being said, I respect your opinions…good, bad or indifferent. I’ve tried over the years to not get emotionally involved with every pitch or play but I just can’t do it. I’m a die-hard fan at heart and my reactions on the air are the same as they would be if I were watching the game at home. It can be good and it can also be bad. Either way, I want this team to win…plain and simple.

Two things…the blog that was referred to here is something we’re all trying out through the end of the year. Josh and I will be blogging while Tom and Eric will be answering questions…it’ll be alternating through September and maybe into the off-season. Just one of the many new initiatives the Rangers are trying out. Secondly, I’ve said this before and will reiterate it here…if you have any questions or comments about the team or want to take a shot at me, feel free to email me…I won’t take it personally and I’m interested in what Rangers fans have to say. I’ve answered every email sent my way and would be more than happy to continue the trend. vrojas@texasrangers.com is the address.

vr

by VRojas on Aug 8, 2008 12:55 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I'd also like to add

That I love the radio broadcast and appreciate hearing criticisms as well as praise for the Rangers.

by jwiscarson on Aug 8, 2008 1:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

appreciated

thanks for checking in.

Personally, I like a little less bias but plenty of people don’t and like you just fine so keep doing what you’re doing.

I do agree, “middle half” doesn’t make any sense.

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Aug 8, 2008 1:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I enjoy your work Victor but here's a tip...

...the on deck batters aren’t always “awaiting on deck.” Sometimes they’re just “waiting.” ;)

Physician: Primum non nocere

Batter: First, make no out

by Chad Crudup on Aug 8, 2008 2:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Thanks, Victor...

Nice of you to respond. I do, however, agree with the original post. I tend to grit my teeth whenever Nadel steps away from the mike. The irony is that I remember the organization saying that Cotroneo was let go because they needed someone with more enthusiasm to be the #2 guy. Well, Vince had it, Victor doesn’t. What does come through is arrogance, something that we don’t get from Nadel, and that sure does make me fish for the on/off switch.

II Cor. 4:17-18

by TedFord on Aug 8, 2008 1:06 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

funny thing is

I think Victor is actually better now than when he started on the Rangers broadcast.

Maybe there was some adjusting period going from Vince Cotroneo, who I liked, to a new voice and style – but over time I think it seems to work.

All announcers talk too much, so I would not say that is unique to Victor or anyone else. He seems to work in his comments within the flow of the broadcast

Besides, at least he mostly talks about the game.

No one talks as much as Lewin does about nothing in particular – I’ve started to think Lewin just likes to hear himself talk since he can barely shut up long enough for TAG to do analysis. And they need to quite showing him on TV – those wide open eyes and freaky eye brows make him look like puppet – plus his head shaking maneurisms etc just make him hard to watch – but I do like his schtick.

Team chemistry trumps all!!!!

by simplesimon on Aug 8, 2008 1:15 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

i like victor on the radio

but he was quite bad as the grieve replacement on tv.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DSheppard on Aug 8, 2008 1:37 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I didn't think he jelled with Lewin very well.

Not sure how many people really can

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Aug 8, 2008 1:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don't envy anyone that task

Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.

by Brian Thomas on Aug 8, 2008 5:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Josh Talks Non Stop

and it really can get on the nerves at times, especially when the rangers are loosing, it’s almost like he is a Radio Broadcaster since they have to talk more to fill air time, that is not needed on a TV broadcast, Tom is right on and for me he and Nadel are the best at what they do, Tom and Busby i think would team well together.

by TRFAN on Aug 8, 2008 1:43 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I remember Eric Nadel

guesting on a call-in radio show a few years back, and he got a bunch of calls from people saying they wished he would give less stats during the bro