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So, is Josh still the MVP?

I heard on the radio broadcast tonight that Hamilton is hitting something like .260 since the AS break, and at game's end tonight, his average had dropped to .300 even.  I'm wondering if, despite all the wonderful publicity and the jaw-dropping home run derby, he might be slip-sliding out of the favorite's spot in the MVP race.  ARod did win the prize hitting .298 recently, I might point out.

For awhile, it appeared that Kinsler might be his chief rival, but Ian has also cooled considerably.  Justin Morneau is lurking in the shadows, and he has nice hardware already on his mantel.  Can Cliff Lee swoop in and carry off both the Cy Young and the MVP?  The last AL pitcher to win an MVP was Dennis Eckersley in '92.

Is Josh going to have to step it up a bit offensively or do you think his feel-good story can suffice?

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Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 8, 2008 9:10 PM CDT reply actions  

welp

that concludes this thread…....

It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......

by red shoe ranger on Aug 8, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

double NO

"Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle." - Nolan Ryan

by hurlerhurley on Aug 8, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh btw... steal home

I just noticed your 1-2 punch. I like it!

"Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle." - Nolan Ryan

by hurlerhurley on Aug 8, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 8, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

if none of our arms are better than hurley

were screwed.

a team can NOT compete in the playoffs make the playoffs with hurley as its #2

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on Aug 9, 2008 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Should read...

Feliz and Dutch. The 1-2 punch of the future.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 9, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Or Feliz/Main.

A Lonestar in California

We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.

by LSJ on Aug 10, 2008 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

not at this point

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Aug 8, 2008 9:19 PM CDT reply actions  

No, he shouldn't be the MVP.

Yes, I think he’s still the favorite. Writers love RBIs.

That said, he’s not at his lowest point this year if I’m not mistaken. A while ago I’m pretty sure he was around 9th in VORP, and last I checked he’s in the top five and only a few runs from first. And his +/- fielding has gotten closer to average (though it’s still below average).

In other words, a couple weeks ago when discussing the MVP I said he wasn’t even near the top of my list, even though I want him to win, and was getting to much credit. Since then, I think his case has actually improved (though possibly because other players have regressed).

by philkid3 on Aug 8, 2008 9:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Do you

Ever miss an opportunity to point out that you despise all the basic statistics and embrace the typical stathead types? It’s enough already.

by brettgardner on Aug 9, 2008 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm?

I don’t care that you enjoy more informative stats. That’s fine. It’s just that you seem to be arrogant about it for some reason, which gives me douche chills.

by brettgardner on Aug 9, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry about that.

Definitely just answering the question and including the information that has been relevant in arriving to my opinion.

by philkid3 on Aug 9, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't sense

any arrogance in his posts. Quite a bit less than many here, actually.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 9, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT: Mendoza

We have to stop starting Mendoza and his “sinker”. He can only throw that pitch and he cant even command it. I dont really care who starts instead of him but we have to give someone else an oppurtunity. I’d like to see Gordon start….....no but seriously we should give Nippert a try at starting. Mendoza has had 10 starts and in only one start was he anywhere near good, besides its not like hes a really young kid, hes 24. IMO hes just a worse Kam Loe. I dont agree with the idea of only getting ground-ball pitchers, everyone of them on our team sucks. Now the ones that aren’t groundball pitchers, Padilla, Hurley, Guardado, and Feldman have done well.

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 8, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply actions  

sorry... but Nippert getting a try at starting

is going to completly make me drink more and I’m not sure this is a good thing

"Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle." - Nolan Ryan

by hurlerhurley on Aug 8, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't fall off the wagon hurley

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Aug 8, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha

hell boomer.. I fell of the wagon long ago when we got rid of Chris Young and John Danks

"Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle." - Nolan Ryan

by hurlerhurley on Aug 8, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought you said you went to Cali for rehab

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Aug 8, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did...

what does that have to do with CY and Johny Danks?

"Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle." - Nolan Ryan

by hurlerhurley on Aug 8, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I meant don't fall off the wagon

now that you got back. You said Nippert would make you drink more.

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Aug 8, 2008 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay so i went away for several months

Yes the Cali program was costly, thnk goodness insurance paid a good bit. it did cost me some money to do this. But I wasn’t the drunk they said I was.

"Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle." - Nolan Ryan

by hurlerhurley on Aug 8, 2008 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

and

John Edwards doesn’t have a fun baby.

It's easy to lie with stats, it's even easier to lie without them......

by red shoe ranger on Aug 8, 2008 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

no fun baby here

"Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle." - Nolan Ryan

by hurlerhurley on Aug 8, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 9, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

k then gordon

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 8, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

MVP

Really is going to depend on how teams finish. It’s still too early to tell right now. A couple years ago Vlad won MVP based on his September, when he did a lot of damage against the Rangers. I think that’s what it’s going to come down to. If Boston makes a furious rally and overtakes Tampa a guy like Youkilis could win. He has very good numbers. If the Yankees come back a guy like Rivera might win. He has never won any major award and he is having one of his best seasons. Or Morneau could win if the Twins make the playoffs. Josh could still win but he is going to have to pick it up and finish strong.

As for the Cy Young I think you have to give it to Rivera or Halladay or Cliff Lee. I bet Rivera wins it, though, based on what I said earlier.

"We live, we die, and the wheels on the bus go round and round." - Tony Romo

by kentbenfer on Aug 8, 2008 9:54 PM CDT reply actions  

top AL mvp candidates at this point would prob be

arod- 70 RUNS, 67 RBI, 24 HR, .312/.397/.581/158+
youkillis- 69 RUNS, 76 RBI, 20 HR, .317/.385/.560/143+
hammy- 75 RUNS, 108 RBI, 27 HR, .302/.367/.551/142+
morneau- 69 RUNS, 89 RBI, 18 HR, .311/.387/.517/144+
kins- 94 RUNS, 62 RBI, 14 HR, 25 SB, .313/.374/.498/131+
quentin- 80 RUNS, 87 RBI, 30 HR, .287/.381/.562/145+
longoria- 56 RUNS, 71 RBI, 22 HR, .278/.352/.533/135+
giambi- 50 RUNS, 65 RBI, 22 HR, .255/.394/.516/142+
cabrera- 54 RUNS, 85 RBI, 21 HR, .298/.360/.513/129+
dye- 71 RUNS, 69 RBI, 26 HR, .304/.364/.569/141+

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Aug 8, 2008 10:07 PM CDT reply actions  

A lot of it depends on who makes the playoffs

Voters give considerable weight to team success and to guys who help their teams win “important games”, meaning the one ones later on the season. It’s myopic as hell, but that’s baseball writers for ya.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 8, 2008 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s myopic as hell?

ha… well, I do get tired of Evan Grant and his shortsighted writing about the Rangers. He does lack foresight or scope and has a short view of the problem.

"Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle." - Nolan Ryan

by hurlerhurley on Aug 8, 2008 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not right now

if he gets hot and the rangers start to win, maybe then

by TRFAN on Aug 9, 2008 8:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Morneau or Quentin as of today

neither have had a let down all year, and have been steady and hit in the clutch, can’t say that about Ham, he is still learning to deal with all of this i think, that all star game attention may have been more curse than it was a help, but man it was fun to watch.

by TRFAN on Aug 9, 2008 8:13 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

Agree with all you wrote. We have to remember, also, that basically this is Ham’s first full season in the bigs and that he must be going through a learning curve. But it bodes well for the future that he should do nothing but get better throughout the next five or six years.

II Cor. 4:17-18

by TedFord on Aug 9, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope...

He will finish in the top 5 but won’t win. If the Rangers were going to make the playoffs then both Kinsler and Hamilton may have a shot.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 9, 2008 10:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe it's just me

But Josh appears to have lost some weight, and looks a little fatigued. It’s been a six monthy whirlwind to this point, hope he uses time away from games to rest.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Aug 9, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

I haven't noticed the weight.

But it’s DEFNITELY not just you with the fatigue.

That gives me great hope, though. It allows me to believe he’s going to be even better in future seasons as he gets up his strength and re-adapts to baseball.

by philkid3 on Aug 9, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

ARod is the best player in baseball

Don’t see how you can make an argument for anyone else.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 9, 2008 5:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Pujols

is pretty good, too.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 9, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Word

But I give the edge to ARod cause of defense.

And to be fair I was saying that he’s the best player in baseball so I don’t see how you could make an argument for anyone else to be the AL MVP.

Other than Tom Sizemore’s black son, most of the other candidates for best player in baseball reside in the NL, imo. Hanley, Pujols, Berkman, etc.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 9, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Arod does not get it and not just because he plays crappy defense

his numbers largely come at non clutch times, in blowouts (either way) etc., on the same Yankees team if you want a guy who knocks in clutch important runs take a look at Jeater or Johnny Damon, they are clutch players in my opinion

by TRFAN on Aug 10, 2008 9:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Bad argument.

Really, that’s just such a bad argument.

by brettgardner on Aug 10, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's ridiculous.

Arod’s career numbers:
with RISP: .302/.403/.553 – God, he sucks.
Runners on base: .311/.397/.587 – who would want this guy on their team?
tie game: .298/.397/.574 – DFA him now, please
down by a run: .298/.398/.584 – new levels of suckness
runner on 3rd, late in game, 2 outs: .361/.396/.617

It’s a wonder he hasn’t been forced to retire now with such terrible hitting.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 10, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

-3...

There’s that word “clutch” again….ugh.

If you would rather have Jeter or Damon over A-Rod then you my friend are lost.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 10, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

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