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Charting the organization - Catcher

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Catcher is a position that could hold a key for the development of the roster in 2009. With four viable players all ready for major league duty, Texas has a lot of versatility and some apparent excess value in a very valuable and limited market.  While we all watch with bated breath the pitching developments over the next season or so, the closely related catching position should provide multilevel enjoyment, with several exciting players in the majors and interesting talent behind them. 

Depth Chart:
Texas (MLB) - Gerald Laird, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Taylor Teagarden
Oklahoma (AAA) - Max Ramirez
Frisco (AA) - Manny Pina
Bakersfield (A+) - Chris Gradoville
Clinton (A) - Jose Felix, Carlos Dominguez
Spokane (A-) - Doug Hogan, Zach Zaneski
AZL (RK) - Leonel De Los Santos
DSL (RK) - Tomas Telis

Top C prospects:
1. Taylor Teagarden - rare guy who is a pleasure to watch run a game, off to fantastic MLB start
2. Max Ramirez - pure right handed hitter - a valuable commodity in baseball these days - and has improved his defense to respectable level
3. Cristian Santana - took a year off from behind the plate and struggled offensively...what will 2009 hold?
4. Manny Pina - excellent defender, strong finish gave him respectable AA numbers in 23 games
5. Tomas Telis - showing promise in DSL, has two-way potential

Star-divide

Top C prospects in baseball (loosely ordered): 
Matt Wieters Bal, Buster Posey SF, Wilson Ramos MIN, Taylor Teagarden TEX, Carlos Santana CLE, Pablo Sandoval (1B) SF, Max Ramirez (1B/DH) TEX, Lou Marson PHI, Angel Salome MIL, Tyler Flowers ATL

Top C organizations:
1. Minnesota - Joe Mauer, Wilson Ramos, Jose Morales
2. Atlanta - Brian McCann, Tyler Flowers
3. Chicago Cubs - Geovany Soto, Balanced Henry Blanco, Welington Castillo
4. Cleveland - Victor Martinez, Kelly Shoppach, Carlos Santana
5. San Francisco - Benji Molina, Pablo Sandoval, Buster Posey 

Where the Rangers fit:
The Rangers have as many potential starting caliber catchers as any team in baseball. What separates the top catching organizations from Texas is that one guy who stands above the others. At the least, the organization should be one of the few in baseball that can get quality play at the position for several years to come without dedicating a large portion of the payroll.

2009 outlook:
There are as many prevalent opinions on how the organization should proceed with the four catchers as there are permutations. Gerald Laird has had his retrenching year and  should now be viewed widely as a solid-average two-way major league catcher. Jarrod Saltalamacchia has had a season to forget in 2008 but did finish by again showing a glimpse of his ability to contribute to a good team before an arm injury shut him down. Taylor Teagarden had a season not to forget, winning an Olympic medal and hitting for power in the major leagues after a slow start in the minors. Max Ramirez lit the world on fire in his AA debut, took up residence on early season Hot Sheets and lept into the major league picture, showing improved power and defensive skill.

Thousands and thousands of words have been spent on this blog predicting, discussing and hotly debating what should and what will happen next. Personally, I like all of these players. I'm not sure which will turn out the best, and they're quite hard to compare, given their varied abilities. My only caution is that this situation should not be treated like a curse, but a blessing. Jon Daniels and the Rangers have worked very hard to develop catching depth, and I think that they would be quite foolish to let it go away without getting full value - and without themselves having a good idea of which of these guys will turn out to be a quality catcher for years to come. If one or even two of these four can be used to substantially upgrade a spot on the pitching staff while hanging onto good enough players that the position is still a strength, terrific. If not, Gerald Laird can cool it and accept giving up some more playing time (besides, he has generally played his best when he has split time), and one or two of these young catchers can receive more developmental time in AAA.

Sneaking up behind this group is another promising defender in Manuel Pina. Pina will go back to Frisco next season and handle a very important group of pitchers, while trying to take another step forward offensively, after holding his own at two levels this season. Pina looks stronger, and if he can turn that into just a little more offense, he is another quality catching prospect. Cristian Santana could be at either A-ball level and, as far as I know, playing either catcher or outfield. After arm trouble contributed to a slow professional start for Santana, the decision was made to play him in the outfield this season. To my knowledge, the decision to keep him there has not been made, and he has much more value as a catcher if his arm can hold up. Max Ramirez's and Manuel Pina's countryman Tomas Telis was moved to catcher this season, reportedly after some added bulk made him a less than ideal fit at shortstop, and hit well in rookie ball in the DR. He should hit the States shortly and looks like someone to watch next summer once the short season clubs start up again.

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Balanced Henry Blanco

LOL…that never gets old.

he’s still hitting better than Saltalasuckia—while playing vastly superior defense...Athos

by Escher on Sep 12, 2008 1:34 PM CDT   0 recs

Trading competition

Great read! Who are the Rangers competing against primarily this off-season as we attempt to deal one or more catchers? On a side-note, I always think of catcher as the cerebral position in baseball, and I have always had trouble seeing Laird as anything other than a meathead. Teagarden looks like someone a rose-colored glasses-wearing, story-telling old-time catcher would say reminds him of himself. And that’s a lot of hyphens.

by 3hacks on Sep 12, 2008 1:55 PM CDT   0 recs

I really think that

it depends on which guy the Rangers are looking to trade. If it’s Laird, there are a handful of guys who you could argue are expendable. If we’re talking about trading Saltalamacchia or Ramirez, someone like Sandoval or Iannetta could match or trump what they could offer, if those teams wanted to deal their guys.

At any rate, I could see Cleveland being able to move one of two of their guys if they saw fit, and those would have quite a bit of value. Houston might give up on Towles, Philadelphia might decide to move Marson, who knows. But I don’t think that there is another team that could move someone like a Teagarden or Ramirez and not even notice, so that does put Texas in a good spot, if they find a match.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Sep 12, 2008 4:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I love...

reading about the depth at the catcher position.

Second to none in all of baseball imo.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 12, 2008 3:08 PM CDT   0 recs

i dunno...

…san francisco’s pair might have higher ceilings…

"He wont have anything. 1 man, 0 tools."~ hiafex bout longhorn...

by ivysafety39 on Sep 12, 2008 3:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

excellent

at the end of the season i’ll make a post comparing all 4 of the rangers catchers this year. i’ll look at hitting, how well the rangers win when one of them plays, passed balls, wild pitches, fp, staff era etc… i’ll be sure to link back to here too

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Sep 12, 2008 4:01 PM CDT   0 recs

Benjamin Hastings Petralli...

Draft History:
2004 – LA Dodgers – 26th round
2005 – Detroit – 15th round
2006 – Detroit – 17th round
2007 – Texas – 47th round
2008 – Texas – 33rd round (signed)

Yes, he’s the son of long-time Ranger catcher Geno, who had the unfortunate honor of being Charlie Hough’s personal catcher (hard to tell if this was because Hough liked Geno or hated him). Ben was drafted out of Weatherford (TX) High School the first time and then after each of his three seasons at Sacramento City College, including one where he redshirted.

The younger Petralli transferred to Oral Roberts University and played for the Golden Eagles in 2008. John Sickels participated in a 2008 Shadow Draft and selected Petralli in the fifth round, citing Ben’s “defense, plate discipline, and developing power.” As it turned out, Petralli, as stated above, lasted until the Rangers picked him in the 33rd round. Sickels speculated that this might be due to signability concerns (Ben did go to Oral Roberts University, so maybe he said that any team that drafted him would have to pay him enough or God would “send him home.”)

It’ll be interesting to see where he fits in with an organization that has several other catchers considered to have very high ceilings.

Profile:
http://www.orugoldeneagles.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17000&ATCLID=1372527

From Sickels:
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/6/7/547860/shadow-draft-review

Republican or Democrat? You mean I have to pick just one? But what if I love violence AND hate liberty?

by YourNameHere on Sep 12, 2008 5:04 PM CDT   0 recs

Felix

might be another strong defensive catcher with a middling bat, though not as strong behind the plate as Pina. I’ll be watching to see how he does in his second year in the states. If Santana can somehow get righted — and do so at catcher — and Telis shows he’s for real stateside…Texas could end up having a reputation for catching that’s as good as its rep for pitching is bad right now. Other teams might start to assume that if it’s TX, the catcher needs to get the benefit of the doubt in assessment.

At least, that’s what I tell myself in hopeful moments.

O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Sep 12, 2008 5:11 PM CDT   0 recs

Definitely a Name to Remember...

Jose Felix was an 18/19-year-old in 2007 while playing for Tigres de Quintana Roo of the Mexican League where he hit .247/.284/.302. Not exactly impressive, but the Mexican League is often seen as equivalent and Felix’s defense did raise enough interest for the Rangers to sign him before the 2008 season.

Catchers get more slack in their development, so the fact that Felix is now 20 and hit just .262/.300/.305 in the Midwest League shouldn’t eliminate his name from conversation amongst catching prospects. And it looks like he was the primary starter for the LumberKings as he played 88 games this year, as opposed to the 57 that Carlos Dominguez got into. And, for what it’s worth, this year the Rangers named him their Minor League Defensive Player of the Month for July.

Republican or Democrat? You mean I have to pick just one? But what if I love violence AND hate liberty?

by YourNameHere on Sep 12, 2008 5:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ooops...

I didn’t finish what I was saying about the Mexican League. It is often seen as the equivalent of Triple-A.

Republican or Democrat? You mean I have to pick just one? But what if I love violence AND hate liberty?

by YourNameHere on Sep 12, 2008 5:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

AAA equivalent

I remember reading exactly that in April when trying to ind more info on Felix. I’ve also read (from Scott Lucas, maybe?) that that league depresses offense a bit. Considering that I expected a little bit more from him this year, but he’s still pretty young for a catcher, as you said.

O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Sep 12, 2008 7:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought it was the other way around

he is a poor defensive catcher with a bat…?

by Goyogringo on Sep 13, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think so

That was how Grant described him, and he won defensive player of the month from the Rangers once or maybe even twice this season IIRC.

O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Sep 14, 2008 8:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice job, Zebra Cakes

Question: When you rank the top orginizations at this position at the end, do you mean “other than the Rangers”? Or are we in the 6-10 range iyo?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 12, 2008 6:36 PM CDT   0 recs

No

For example, I ranked 2B like second I think. My opinion is that the Twins and Braves have the best situations with the best long term major league catchers and at least one real nice prospect, and after them there are about seven or eight orgs that are all pretty close. I didn’t include Texas, but I also didn’t include Baltimore, who has a catcher that BP ranked as like the 30-somethingth most valuable player in baseball. I would have liked to have ranked both, and I think you easily could. I also didn’t include Colorado, who has the catcher with the best OPS in baseball, and a second year guy at that, or Pittsburgh who also has an excellent offensive catcher who isn’t all that bad defensively. And maybe most controversially, I didn’t rank the Dodgers, since they seem enamored with the idea of Martin at 3B, and they’ve got so much behind him that they may have Varitek catching for them next season.

But with the Rangers, for me, it just came down to the fact that you can’t point to one guy and say you really expect the Rangers to have one of the best catchers or even catching tandems in baseball because of him. I think that puts a few of these others ahead of them until one of their guys emerges like that.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Sep 12, 2008 7:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"running a game"

Can someone go into detail about all this business concerning Teagarden’s ability to “run” a game? This connotes more than just pitch selection…and even that is signalled from the bench, isn’t it? I know the occasional talk with the pitcher is part of it, but what else? What should I look for in Teagarden that indicates how well he runs a game?

II Cor. 4:17-18

by TedFord on Sep 12, 2008 8:41 PM CDT   0 recs

receiving, interacting with the pitcher (a big part of it), helping to dictate pace, executing the game plan, stuff like that

I think that Teagarden has a great body language too, and I think that Saltalamacchia’s poor body language doesn’t help his popularity.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Sep 12, 2008 10:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting...

Catcher with a lot of “pop” in his bat – 3 HR / 198 AB’s

Catcher who will “never hit in the bigs” – 5 HR / 29 AB’s

Just sayin’.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 13, 2008 12:18 AM CDT   0 recs

Who are you quoting there?

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by zywica on Sep 13, 2008 12:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

anyone know of a site

that lists PB and runners throw out #S for the minors?

by Goyogringo on Sep 13, 2008 8:06 PM CDT   0 recs

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