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Beware September Superstars

Nippert, Harrison, Cruz, and Teagarden have become the flavors of the month for the Rangers. In his last two starts, Nippert has pitched 12 innings, struck out 11, walked 4, and given up just 1 run.  In his last 6 starts, Harrison has pitched 39 innings, striking out 27 while compiling an ERA of 3.23 and a WHIP of 1.23.  In September, Teagarden has a 417 avg with 3 2B and 4 HR in 24 ABs while Cruz has a 324 BA with 3 HR and 2 2B in 37 ABs.

And while I want to believe that the recent performances of these four players are indicative of future greatness, I am haunted by the late season successes and subsequent failures of previous Rangers prospects/reclamation projects in whom I similarly wanted to believe.

In 2006, Robinson Tejeda was called up to the Rangers in mid-August and was allowed to audition for a spot in the 2007 rotation.  Between August 19th and October 1st, Tejeda compiled a 4-2 record in 9 starts.  He pitched 54.1 innings, struck out 25, walked 15, and posted an ERA of 2.30 and a WHIP of 1.34.  2007 started promisingly enough but control problems led to a demotion from which he never recovered.

On August 26, 2005, Kam Loe started the 1st of an 8-game trial as a member of the Rangers rotation.  Loe pitched 46.2 innings, struck out 17, walked 16, won 4, lost 2, and produced an ERA of 2.70 and a WHIP of 1.27.  I am convinced that Loe's impressive 2005 finish coupled with Chris Young's relatively unimpressive run during the same period led the Rangers to decide that Loe was a better candidate for the 2006 rotation.  The result?  Young was part of the 2005 San Diego trade that stands as JD's worst move as Rangers' GM. 

Based on a radio interview during spring training this year, I think that JD has learned the folly in evaluating players based on their performances in September.  When asked about David Murphy's likely place on the Rangers 2008 active roster, JD replied that given the line-ups and motivation levels of opponents, he placed significantly less emphasis on the performances of his own players in games played in September and March.   

Like many of you, I want to believe that Nippert's bullpen session two weeks ago has converted him from a fringe long reliever into a key member of future Rangers rotations.  I also want to believe that Harrison will make us fondly recall the days when Kenny Rogers anchored the staff.  And it would be great if both of these guys were throwing baseballs to a GG-caliber catcher whose major league hitting numbers exceeded those that he posted in the minors.  But the more realistic side of me knows that Nippert could easily go the way of Tejeda, Harrison could be a year or two away from being a reliable major league starter, and Teagarden's K-rate could prevent him from being anything more than a good defensive catcher who holds down the #9 spot in the line-up. 

You'll note that Cruz failed to make the previous paragraph.  The reason for that is that I agree with those of you who believe that Cruz is poised for an outstanding 2009 season.  The reasons for my optimism are two-fold:

(1) Cruz's plate discipline has taken an undeniable step forward in 2008 and major league pitchers are now being forced to throw him strikes.  Need proof?  Check out his K/BB numbers in Septembers past and present:

2006 - 18K/5BB in 90 AB;  2007 - 17K/1BB in 55 AB;  2008 - 6K/9BB in 37 AB

(2) Cruz's numbers against teams preparing for the playoffs have been outstanding (375 BA in 7 games vs LAAA and BOS), which suggests that his 2008 finish is not a mirage produced by him facing AAA and AAAA pitchers who are auditioning for spots on their team's 2009 pitching staffs.

 

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Nippert

While I agree that September can be deceiving I think Nipperts numbers are right on line with what he has done for the most part this year. Ive mentioned these numbers in a couple other threads but take away his first appearance of the year out in LA when he had basically not thrown for a week due to being traded and having a child born and take away the appearance that led to him going on the DL and he has a mid 4s ERA for the year. That includes his first start where he was forced to pitch on 3 days rest and didn’t do very well. If you take that one away also he has an ERA in the 3s. He throws hard and is still relatively young. I like the guy. I think he can be a good piece for us for the next several years.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Sep 14, 2008 12:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Also Nippert

I think one thing that is encouraging are his SO numbers. Those other guys maintained a low ERA without putting guys away whereas Nippert is almost at a K per inning.

by Motiak on Sep 14, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still not convinced

It’s September and his numbers aren’t even good. His delivery is so weird I don’t even know what to call it. It looks like he is just throwing the ball as hard as he can to the catcher. If his mechanics get screwed then he’s done. Oh and for his ERA excuses, if he didn’t pitch that day his pinky hurt or that one time he sneezed when he came out of the dugout or even when he stayed up way past his bed time by 30 minutes, then he would have a 4.22 ERA!

by meatbonelefty on Sep 14, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

His FIP last year in AZ: 4.08, his FIP this year, even with said "past his bed time" starts: 4.86.

And I’m not a huge fan of cherry picking stats and eliminating starts either, but he was clearly just completely out of whack that first start. The fact that he immediately went on the DL afterward makes even a heartless unforgiving bastard like me think removing that one might be okay.

He doesn’t K as many as his stuff seems to indicate he should, but he’s done a pretty good job of keeping the ball in the ballpark and his .362 BABIP seems like you can put some of the blame for his outrageously high ERA on our awesome Franchise Face led defense.

I’d love to see him go into ST next year with a legit shot at winning a rotation slot.

People are always complaining we don’t go out and get other people’s failed aces and turn them into aces here, well Dusty Tits has that sort of potential. Has he reached it yet? Obviously not. But let’s not be hasty and pull the plug on this experiment prematurely.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 14, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nippert

I think he deserves a spot, but barring a trade, its tough to just give him one. I think the best thing to do with his lack of options is to stick with him as the long man out of the bullpen and let him know that he is first in line to get a rotation spot. With Padilla and Millwood being the great Iron Man pitchers that they are and the rest of the rotation having maybe most of a ML season starting under the belts, it shouldn’t be long before Nippert gets moved to the rotation.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Sep 14, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peripherals

It’s important to take a look at the peripherals and ignore the ERA. Look at those K’s and BB’s for Loe and Tejeda: not good.

--Brian

by BCanfield on Sep 14, 2008 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Which is why Matt Harrison and his 4.10 k/9 and 3.38 bb/9 still have a ways to go to convince me

Although, to be fair, he’s still really young so there’s a lot of hope left in him.

(And also, FWIW, I still believe in Kam Loe a 4/5/LR-type. He’s been the recipient of some truly shitty “luck”, which is about what you’d expect from a groundballer/pitch-to-contact guy pitching in front of this uber-shitty defense.)

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 14, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Harrison though

isn’t one of these deceivingly good pitchers we’ve seen before. He doesn’t have a 2.30 ERA or even a sub 4 ERA. IMO, its hard to say that a guy with a 5.06 ERA has been a great surprise. Harrison also hasn’t just started pitching for the ML team in September. He’s done exactly what I thought he would do which is struggle a bit in certain starts but show great talent in other starts and show the ability to get Major League hitters out. This is a guy that should definitely be in the Major League rotation next spring.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Sep 14, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

We were talking about peripherals being the key indicator going forward

And, FWIW, he has been a September superstar of sorts, going 2-0 with a 3.48 ERA so far this month.

But that’s not what I meant. I just meant that his peripherals scare me a bit. I just worry that he’ll ever be able to miss bats.

I’ve come around quite a bit on Harrison, but I still wouldn’t mind terribly if he starts next season in AAA. The competition for those 4/5 slots behind Millwood/Padzilla/McCarthy is gonna be rough even without a FA or trade acquisition coming in. More than likely we will acquire at least one guy and we’ll be looking at a slew of different guys all competing for one job out of ST: Dusty Tits, Hurley, Feldman from across the hall, Harrison, Hunter, Loe, Mendoza, Gabbard, etc.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 14, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

McCarthy in the rotation

He’s done less to deserve a spot than several of the other candidates. Since we are talking about peripherals and all, take a look at his – nothing to inspire confidence at all.

"So he tore it up in AA. Yippee. ...Max Ramirez be damned." - bigsteve

by tricer on Sep 14, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty true

Although it’s worth noting he has an ever so lightly better k/bb ratio than the ever so dreamy Matt Harrison. (They both have really crappy k/bb ratios, which saddens me… I love good k/bb ratios. Good k/bb ratios make the crotch zone of pitching pants very happy.)

That being said, there’s absolutely no way that McCarthy (if healthy) doesn’t get a rotation spot coming out of ST next year.

I’m still interested to see what he can do if he stays healthy for an entire season. Though that’s looking like a huge freaking “if” at this point.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 14, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

ROFL

I have a new sig.

A Lonestar in California

Good k/bb ratios make the crotch zone of pitching pants very happy.
-thedirkatron

by LSJ on Sep 15, 2008 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Peripherals are more important when looking at pitcher stats (FIP is based off of peripherals) and the sample size is small, because you have more of a sample size with K and BB and HR/ IP

It’s also kind of similar on the hitting side wrt K and BB.

Here are the player’s since they were last called up (or started starting) according to peripherals
Nippert
19 K/6 BB in 21 1/3 IP. Who knows how much this is real. The sample size is pretty low, especially in comparison to his prior work this year.
3 HR in 21 1/3 IP. Needs to improve as this is not major league level.

Considering the small amount of the sample size, I’d be skeptical.

Harrison
34 K/28 BB in 74 2/3 IP. Not good.
8 HR in 74 2/3. Needs to improve.

I’m skeptical, but he is young and this was his first taste of the majors. I’d say give him a shot, but don’t pencil him in yet.

Cruz
4 HR out of 67 AB (1 HR/ 16.75 AB) Nice rate
12 K out of 67 AB (.821 Contact Rate) Typical major leaguer ~= .800. Not sure if this is sustainable, as in AAA this year, he’s had a .773 Contact Rate and that was by far his best year. Still, it’s a good sign.
11 BB out of 78 PA (.141 Walk Rate) That’s good, and he’s always had good walk rates in the minor leagues.

Contact rate and walk rate will likely depreciate, but it looks like he’s made some adjustments that could foreshadow success in the majors.

Teagarden
4 HR out of 26 AB (1 HR/ 6.5 AB)
7 K out of 26 AB (.730 Contact Rate) Typical major leaguer ~= .800. But if Teagarden keeps a strong HR rate, he’s fine.
3 BB out of 29 PA (.103 Walk Rate) That’s good.

That power’s likely to go down, as I think the best ratio was Bonds in 2001 at 1 HR/6.52 AB, and we can bet that Teagarden isn’t another Bonds at his prime. However, looking at his minor league numbers, it’s still pretty impressive, but we need more data.
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by Requiem on Sep 15, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love what they've done with Dusty Tits

Take a struggling former uber-prospect with #1 stuff, stash him away as a long man/spot starter and try everything you can to see if he can figure it out. These are the types of guys we need to be taking shots on. Kudos to JD for picking him up and for sticking with him all year even when he looked horribly hopeless, September mirage or not.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 14, 2008 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep
Based on a radio interview during spring training this year, I think that JD has learned the folly in evaluating players based on their performances in September. When asked about David Murphy’s likely place on the Rangers 2008 active roster, JD replied that given the line-ups and motivation levels of opponents, he placed significantly less emphasis on the performances of his own players in games played in September and March.

This is what I’ve been saying in regard to Cruz. You’d have found out much more with more valuable June and July at-bats.

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by Brett Perryman on Sep 14, 2008 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Cruz' year long

Consistency in good at bats, good power, better pitch selectivity, taking more walks is (to me) a pretty telling indicator that he knows what he is doing. The only thing that hasn’t been figured out is his MLB level of OBP, that is can he handle premier pitching as well as he does average pitching.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Sep 14, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return

by Brett Perryman on Sep 14, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

bingo

O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Sep 14, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cruz 2008

Among hitters with at least 60 plate appearances since his August 25th call-up, Cruz leads the Rangers and is among the Top20 in the MLB in OBP (430), SLG (627), and OPS (1057). Cruz is also second on the Rangers to Hamilton in AVG (328). Among Rangers AA and AAA players that I saw this year, only Chris Davis equaled Cruz’ impact on the other hitters in the lineup. Batters in front of him got better pitches to hit because pitchers didn’t want to walk them and hitters behind him often benefited from having a guy on the basepaths who was a threat to steal a base. For the first time in his career, Cruz looks the same in the majors as he did in AAA.

At the end of 2008, Cruz will have accrued less than 2 years of service time which allows the Rangers to control him for at least 4 and possibly 5 years.

If Cruz carries this performance into 2009 and Bradley re-signs, the Rangers could have a lineup that includes 6 players with an OPS in excess of 850 (Hamilton, Bradley, Kinsler, Davis, Byrd, and Cruz).

by spurdynasty on Sep 15, 2008 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unlike Botts

Cruz seems to have figured something out. He looks different, walking more, hitting the ball hard. Short September sample in effect, but he doesn’t look like he’s getting lucky.

O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Sep 15, 2008 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

The fact that he doesn't look completely lost

at every breaking ball like he used to seems to mean he at least deserves a shot next year.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Sep 15, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where does Cruz rank

in terms of strongest OF throwing arms?

Seems he belongs in the Alex Rios-Jose Guillen-Ankiel-Francoeur-Vladdy group.

"Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps."
- Emo Phillips

by Rangerchick on Sep 15, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

good advice, but i buy into harrison and cruz.

not nippert though. and while i do like teagarden, obviously a 1.4 ops isnt real, i just like his september as a sign of his offensive potential, which he only needs to partially cash in on to be a good player.

the preceding post is not nearly as negative or insulting as you think it is

by DShep on Sep 14, 2008 2:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice post...

and I agree, but the only way to find out for sure if these guys are for real is to give them a real shot next year as well. I go into next year with Cruz starting in RF, TT starting at catcher, Harrison in the rotation and Nippert either in the rotation or in the ’pen depending on who the Rangers can get via trade this winter.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 14, 2008 6:23 PM CDT reply actions  

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