Rangers Draft Review
This is the second of my published pieces and this involves profiles on three players: Tim Murphy, Clark Murphy, and Corey Young. As I mentioned in the Neil Ramirez fan post, I will periodically check back and answer any questions readers might have, but I will be out till later this afternoon.
89. Tim Murphy | LHP
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Deceptive, hides ball well, stays closed, doesn't really show the ball into just before release.
Not efficient with his body. Tucks his arm behind his hips, but he keeps it there for too long in my opinion. Murphy works between 87 - 91 mph, but his velocity might be more consistent if he didn't lose out on the rotational forces a pitcher needs to produce velocity. I slow down the key sequence in his delivery. Watch how the upper body is uncoiled forward, but notice the arm is still rising to its loaded position, meaning it isn't in position to come along for the ride.
Yes, the Rangers could work with Murphy to make these adjustments, but like any adjustment, making them is easier said than done because other facets of the delivery need to be changed due to timing differences. You also have to deal with a variety of issues such as muscle memory--how well the muscles adapt to a change in one's mechanics
WIth that said, he is deceptive, his curveball is close to plus, and his control is solid. I'm not sure he has the quality kind of stuff to be a starter at the major league level but nothing wrong with a quality arm out of the bullpen.
153. Clark Murphy | OF | B - L
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Murphy is one reason you have to take the use of these video clips with a grain of salt, especially ones in which contact was rarely made and the player appeared to injure himself multiple times.
All of the above occurred in Murphy's draft video, but the mechanics of his swing look pretty good. His best swing actually came on a pitch he swung-and-missed on (above). He really loads his hand with a jerk of the bat away from his body and then back. He keeps his swing pretty short in the process.
He looks to take an aggressive hack at the ball and it appears, should he make contact, it would be after he let it travel deep into his hitting zone. All this lends itself to solid power.
The tendency for him to swing and miss could be from a number of issues. It often appeared he was too far out in front, meaning he was possibly fooled on some sort of breaking pitch. Nevertheless, Murphy put up some fantastic numbers in the Arizona League and should monitored as we head forward.
353. Corey Young | LHP
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I like guys with unique or deceptive mechanics and Young is one of those types. He's got a fast tempo (number of frames from the point in which the knee reaches it's upper most point to release), but he isn't a high-velocity thrower mostly because he doesn't efficiently use his body in that he doesn't achieve good separation of the torso and hips...similar to the problem Tim Murphy suffered from. His arm isn't in position to come along for the ride.
However, Young is deceptive in that he has a relatively long stride, he looks like he throws harder than he actually does, and his pitches have some quality movement on them. He's got a lot of tailing action on his fastball, but can get in trouble when he leaves it up in the zone. His curveball is more of a frisby type curve that you can see below.
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He has a lot of parts to coordinate so there is a question of whether his command will be good at higher levels of competition.
He's not a flashy pick nor a high upside pick, but he's another player that could be useful for the Rangers out of their bullpen. His ability to generate ground balls will also be welcome at the Rangers Ballpark in Arlington.
Hope this article provided a little more in-depth information on these prospects and again thanks for the support.
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Murphy...
The reason his “arm is not coming along for the ride” is because 1) He “spikes” the ball behind his back which is wasted motion 2) because of this wasted motion and time, his foot has already landed before he’s in a proper throwing position and once the foot lands the body tells the arm to go. Now what amazes me is how he still keeps his elbow up so at least injuries shouldn’t be imminent based off of that. Although anytime you don’t use your body fully, you’re increasing risk of injury.
I think with proper corrections he has a ton of velocity left.
by slimshadty12 on Sep 16, 2008 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Although...
I can’t see from that angle but the hand needs to be outside the elbow on release and he might be throwing too much overhand which would lead to some arm problems as well. But like I said I can’t tell from that video.
by slimshadty12 on Sep 16, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ball behind his back trick
might be important to his ability to hide the ball from the hitter until he releases it.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Sep 17, 2008 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not as important to his velocity and health...
It’s pretty obvious he’s way too late and it’s really effecting his arm. There are other ways to hide the ball. Your glove is more effective in hiding the ball if held correctly because it’s in the way of the ball later in the delivery then hiding the ball behind your back. If you watch Murphy from the clip he’s already started to pull his glove in before the arm rises so the hitter is going to get a clean look at his hand.
by slimshadty12 on Sep 17, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for Clark Murphy
The problems I see in his swing are 1) his front foot lands pretty open on contact meaning he’s going to have a tough time hitting an outside pitch and most pitches for that matter because not staying closed takes your bat out of the zone. 2) He takes such a large stride that his head appears to move about a foot vertically down. This makes it incredibly hard to track a pitch.
Both of those problems lead to less contact. Adjust those 2 things and I think he’d improve his contact rate pretty significantly.
by slimshadty12 on Sep 16, 2008 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
re:
lol, I was waiting for somebody to comment. As for your points:
1. His foot may land somewhat open, but I’ve seen much worse. Landing with the front foot open leaves him vulnerable to opening the hips too soon, and while he could use work in that department, I don’t see it as overly glaring.
2. Agreed on the head movement. He’s pretty tall initially, which isn’t a problem, but he sorta remains tall through his stride. Maybe put some more bend in his legs which would allow him to get more power out of his stride and better balance—actually similar to what Chris Davis does.
Also, these adjustments may have already been made…the video was taken in June of last year (which is just another reason to take analysis based on these videos with a grain of salt), but I do think they still give you a good feel for the player.
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by NovaO on Sep 16, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely some fun stuff to analyze...
and I appreciate you providing the video and analysis. I instruct baseball for a living to younger kids so it’s cool trying to relate some of the problems they have when they’re young and relating it to these pro’s.
Things like the Brandon McCarthy goof up by Connor makes you wonder sometimes though if you could do a better job. But I’m sure there’s much more that goes into it then us armchair instructors think lol.
by slimshadty12 on Sep 17, 2008 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely agree...
I’m always coming across new information, new research to incorporate into what I already know.
I think I have a very good feel for what to look for and what is, IMO, right or wrong about a person’s mechanics, but fixing it is a whole different story. I have a good idea of what could be tried to fix the problem, but I don’t have a coaching back ground, so actually teaching it is a different story.
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by NovaO on Sep 17, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going off of the BA pre-draft report (and Mayo's stuff)
there were substantial concerns about his mechanics. The most intriguing thing about him was his power potential which dropped off in his SR yr. So the interesting thing is whether or not the rangers can tweak his swing and preserve his power otherwise you get JMJ, less hr power but fewer holes in the swing. I guess we will see if the adjustments help JMJ get to and stay in the majors. So that seems to be the storyline for Murphy as well. The rangers have already altered his swing so that he can hit to all fields. While this might might sap his HR power next year he has youth on his side and time to grow into a revised swing/approach unlike JMJ who the org. tried to transform out of college.
by Goyogringo on Sep 18, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young
is a guy we just have not talked about here at all. I love the GB rate (70%) and I’ll pay more attention to him now that I’ve seen that funky delivery, intriguing. He’ll be 22 all next season.
Don't you know it's gonna be alright?
by t ball on Sep 16, 2008 7:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree on Young.
While he does give away energy, he’s doing it with poor weight transfer in his stride, not in his hip/shoulder separation. Based on what his stride does to the rest of his delivery, he actually gets pretty solid separation.
Without having to look too closely, you can see that Young’s legs are done accelerating his body about 5-6 frames before he lets go of the ball. He lands with nearly all of his weight on his front leg. At that point, his legs are eating up the energy they just created, leaving him with a very low net contribution from his legs. He could easily add 4-5 mph to his fastball. The big questions are whether that’s necessary and whether that will compromise his effectiveness.
From an injury standpoint, the only things that concern me are his bouncy elbow and his his shoulder position at release.
ELBOW: He picks his elbow up extremely high at the back then drops it noticeably below his shoulders before finishing a little high again. I’m sure that makes his release deceptive, but that’s a lot of extra movement in two critical joints.
SHOULDERS: Because of his stride, Young lacks the drive required to really get his shoulder out front. This leaves his acromial (shoulder) line nearly perpendicular to his drive line upon release. For me, that’s a red flag for shoulder trouble. The closer those two lines are to being parallel, the less stress there is on the shoulder.
Of course, I’m sure someone’s already working with him on these very issues.
It's filed under 'D'... for donut.
by NoNameOnCard on Sep 17, 2008 8:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Added note.
Young’s curveball video doesn’t show the same elbow/shoulder issues as the side view. This could be for a number of reasons: poor repeatability, a flukey-good pitch, a flukey-bad pitch, differing mechanics on fastball and curve, etc.
Obviously, I can only base my opinions on what I’ve seen in the two videos provided (since I’m too lazy to analyze his MLB Scouting Bureau video in detail right now), so even I don’t consider my opinion to be that great in this case.
It's filed under 'D'... for donut.
by NoNameOnCard on Sep 17, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the legs issue...
He is putting a lot of weight into his front foot and it looks like he’s bouncing his energy back instead of forward. But the other thing I see is that he throws across his body as well (more so in the first video) which is an injury issue and doesn’t allow him to fully turn his shoulders and hips.
by slimshadty12 on Sep 17, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
you agree on both points, then?
It's filed under 'D'... for donut.
by NoNameOnCard on Sep 17, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
I guess so…didn’t fully read that shoulder part.
by slimshadty12 on Sep 18, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re:
Agreed on the stride though he’s still an armsy thrower and he doesn’t maximize his hip/torso separation and I think the two are related. It’s something I should have mentioned.
Injuries…the elbow drops before maximum force is exerted on the shoulder. Perhaps the extra movement causes extra stress, perhaps not. I don’t consider that too much of a problem.
As for the curveball view, I don’t think you can really compare the two clips, as you allude to in the second paragraph. One issue…the side shot is a warm-up pitch. They didn’t have any actual game views of him from the side. So that may account for any differences in mechanics. I will say the elbow was high for most of the side shots (going by memory).
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by NovaO on Sep 17, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know the elbow drops.
I mentioned it as part of his problem. It drops too far, over-correcting for the extremely high pick up. Most of his rotation occurs with his elbow too low and on its way back up to a high release before once again finishing down and dangerously across his drive line instead of parallel to it. This engages the long head of the biceps tendon in ways that are extremely dangerous for a labrum (ie SLAP lesions). Almost all of this is caused in one way or the other by his stride.
When I mentioned the difference in the pitches, it seems as though I wasn’t comparing the two appropriately. They actually look more similar than I thought they were at first glance. I thought the follow through for each of the two pitches was different, but apparently I wasn’t paying enough attention.
As a side note, there are a lot of people (and I’m not saying you’re one of them) who profess that hips/shoulders separation is essential without understanding how it works and what good separation actually looks like. I brought this up because you use the word “maximize” instead of “improve” to describe what you’d like to see in your idea of proper mechanics. I guess I’m sort of calling you out on this, but my intent is to generate discussion rather than ruffle feathers.
It's filed under 'D'... for donut.
by NoNameOnCard on Sep 18, 2008 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly...
I’m not so sure his elbow drops as much as I said it does. I think it’s just harder to get an idea of shoulder line from the side view. In any case, I’m still concerned about the high-low-high-low path his elbow takes.
It's filed under 'D'... for donut.
by NoNameOnCard on Sep 18, 2008 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re:
I’m not sure what you’re asking here. My interpretation of “maximize” and “improve” is one and the same.
What I would like to see as far as hip/torso/shoulder separation is the hips beginning to rotate just before foot plant with the belt buckle facing toward home plate and finish rotating after the front foot has landed. The torso should be facing toward third (if its a LHP) and uncoiled after the hips fully rotate and the arm, from a cocked position (and it doesn’t have be at a 90 degree angle, IMO) comes along for the ride in a whip-like fashion as the torso transfers energy to the arm.
However, every pitcher is different and it’s not always exactly how I lay it out. Flexibility, genetics, and other mechanical attributes affect the separation.
In Young’s case, he lands in a position that doesn’t allow him to open his hips fully and his torso and hips are roughly connected throughout the rotation—not enough separation is created and of the separation he does achieve, the arm isn’t in position to reap the benefits of the torso’s rotation.
The elbow, again it doesn’t concern me too much and I honestly can’t say we can get a really good indication of his risk of injury. The video is only 30 fps and the angles aren’t exactly the most ideal. He may get injured, but it may not be because of the path the elbow takes. Any number of reasons could produce injury. One reason the elbow appears so high above the shoulders is he because he bends his upper body down as he loads his arm before becoming more upright at the same point his elbow begins dropping.
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by NovaO on Sep 18, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on that description....
You don’t want a pitcher’s shoulder to move until after his hips have stopped moving. Quite frankly, that is the opposite of efficiency.
It's filed under 'D'... for donut.
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