Off-season Bargain Hunting (Part 2)
As a reminder, the goal for this exercise was to identify pitchers under the age of 28 with at least three years of club control whom the Rangers could potentially obtain in trades this off-season without having to give up a key major leaguer or one of their top prospects.
Good Stuff/Poor Performance (Examples –Cliff Lee, Edinson Volquez, Edwin Jackson)
Young pitchers invariably struggle when they are promoted to the major leagues. The most talented and well developed pitchers usually produce league average or better results within a season or two. Some pitchers take longer. Identifying those pitchers that will eventually figure it out while their value is low due to poor performance can produce significant returns for the team that is able to trade for them. To identify candidates for this category, I reviewed BA’s Top100 prospects from the past 7 seasons and selected those pitchers who appeared on at least two prospect lists. My reasoning was that being recognized at least twice as a Top100 prospect suggests that the pitcher has stuff that is generally acknowledged as above average. The pitchers selected by this method were a “who’s who” of the top pitchers in MLB (Beckett, Peavy, Sabathia, Kazmir, Danks, Cain, Greinke, King Felix, McGowan, Zambrano, Sheets). However, there are a number of pitchers who have thus far failed to distinguish themselves as good major league starters.
Franklin Morales (Rockies) – 22 yo LHP – Morales has three potentially plus pitches (mid-90s fastball, curve, and change-up) that he struggles to control. He was ranked by BA as the #30 (2007) and #13 (2008) prospect in baseball the past two years. After a strong finish in the major leagues last year (3.43 ERA, 1.22 WHIP in a handful of starts), Morales has struggled mightily this year in the majors (6.39 ERA, 1.78 WHIP) and AAA (110 IP, 83K, 82BB, 1.51 WHIP). It seems unlikely that the Rockies would seek a trade for a pitcher with top-of-the-rotation stuff, but perhaps a package of prospects offered at the right time would find a receptive audience if the Rockies are concerned that Morales will never be able to adequately control his stuff.
Majors – 64 IP, 4.59 ERA, 35K, 31BB, 1.44 WHIP
Minors – 538 IP, 4.38 ERA, 9.1K/9IP, 5.3BB/9IP, 1.51 WHIP
Merkin Valdez (Giants) – 26 yo RHP – An electric fastball (mind-90’s w/movement) coupled with a change-up and slider led BA to rank him #40 (2004) and #58 (2005). Unlike others in this category, Valdez has performed well when he’s been on the mound. His problem is that he’s struggled with injuries the past few years. Valdez is out of options and has missed most of 2008 due to an elbow injury, making his standing on the pitching-rich Giants roster tenuous.
Majors – 17.2 IP, 18H, 10BB, 15K, 8ER
Minors - 397 IP, 3.36 ERA, 9K/9IP, 3.6BB/9IP, 1.26 WHIP
Homer Bailey (Reds) – 22 yo RHP – With a plus fastball and a plus curve, Bailey has appeared four times on BA’s Top100 (#48 in 2005, #38 in 2006, #5 in 2007, and #9 in 2008). Two failed attempts to stick in the ML rotation appear to have affected his minor league performance in 2008 (4.77 ERA in AAA). With a rotation anchored by Harang, Volquez, Cueto, and Arroyo, it is not clear that Bailey has a place in the Reds’ future. The team is likely to struggle getting their roster down to 40 players this fall given that they currently have 46 listed on the major league team. A well-timed phone call by the Rangers to the Reds might produce a young fire-baller that has apparently reminded some of a young Nolan Ryan.
Majors – 81.2 IP, 4.59 ERA, 46K, 45BB, 1.80 WHIP
Minors – 441 IP, 3.79 ERA, 9.3K/9IP, 4.1BB/9IP, 1.32 WHIP
Yusmiero Petit (D’backs) – 23 yo RHP has been ranked by BA as the #46 (2005) and #69 (2006) prospect in baseball. Petit apparently has excellent command of a 87-91 MPH sinker, slurve, and change-up. Traded twice in the past three years, Petit has thrown 138 innings in parts of three major league seasons and produced a 5.33 ERA, 1.35 WHIP, ~7K/9IP, and <3BB/9IP. Although his ERA+ has improved in each of his three seasons (45 to 103 to 111), he has worked primarily as a long man/spot starter in the major leagues which is a far cry from the mid-rotation horse that he was originally projected to become. In 2008, Petit has pitched 55 innings in 17 games, starting 8, striking out 41, walking 13, and posting a 4.04 ERA and 1.02 WHIP. Petit’s 2008 numbers are beginning to approach those that he accumulated primarily as a starter in 596 minor league innings (3.41 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 8.8K/9IP, 2.1BB/9IP). Young and improving, Petit appears to be on the verge of moving into a major league rotation where he could prove valuable to a team that will control him for 4 years.
Nick Adenhart (Angels) - 22 yo RHP – Armed with a three-pitch repertoire (excellent curve and change-up plus a low 90’s fastball with good movement) and good-for-his-age stats, Adenhart was ranked #90 in 2006, #34 in 2007, and #27 in 2008 on BA's year-end prospect lists. Although Adenhart was outstanding in 2006 when he pitched in the Midwest and Cal Leagues (2.56 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 8K/9IP, <3BB/9IP), his performance has fallen the last two years (3.65 ERA/1.46 WHIP in 2007 and 5.76 ERA, 1.71 WHIP in 2008). It is unlikely that the Angels would be ready to trade a player who as recently as last year was considered by many to be their top prospect, but it might be worth a phone call.
Majors – 3 starts, 12 IP, 18H, 13BB, 4K, 12ER
Minors – 506 IP, 3.89 ERA, 7.7K/9IP, 3.7BB/9IP, 1.41 WHIP
Casualties of Congested Rosters (Example – Johan Santana, Armando Galarraga, Dustin Nippert)
Occasionally, poor internal scouting and/or a glut of talent leads a team to lose good pitchers to waivers or the Rule 5 draft. This proved to be the most difficult category for me to assess given that it is unclear who is likely to be waived to make room for incoming prospects and free agents during the upcoming off-season. After assessing the 40-man rosters and upper minors for all thirty teams, I selected the three that appear to have more major league-ready pitchers than they have room on their rosters. For each of the three teams, I selected a couple of pitchers that might be traded in the off-season to make room on their team’s 40- and/or 25-man rosters.
Oakland A’s
The A’s added a lot of prospects to their system via trades this year. Their 40–man roster currently stands at 43. With 8 left-handed pitchers on their 40-man, lefties who have failed to distinguish themselves are at-risk of being waived to make room for a new group of A’s prospects (Mazzaro, Guzman, Lansford).
Dan Meyer (OAK) – 27 yo LHP - Meyer’s fastball sits in the low 90’s and he apparently has one of the better sliders in the A’s system along with a decent change-up. Prior to being traded to the A’s for Tim Hudson, Meyer was considered Atlanta’s top pitching prospect. Meyer’s major league numbers have been uninspiring but his minor league numbers have been excellent. The lefty is out of options and potentially out of chances to stick with the A’s.
Majors – 43 IP, 31K, 23BB, 7.95 ERA, 1.77 WHIP
Minors – 733 IP, 3.60 ERA, 8.5K/9IP, 3.2BB/9IP, 1.29 WHIP
Dallas Braden (OAK) – 25 yo LHP – Braden is a four pitch lefty (high 80s fastball, slider, change-up, screwball) who has posted a better than 4:1 K:walk rate during his minor league career. That success has not yet been replicated at the major league level where he has accumulated just under a year of service-time. With five years of club control and one more option (I think), Braden could be an intriguing off-season trade target.
Majors – 99 IP, 6.09 ERA, 6.8K/9IP, 3.6BB/9IP, 1.59 WHIP
Minors – 346 IP, 3.30 ERA, 10.1K/9IP, 2.4BB/9IP, 1.16 WHIP
Florida Marlins
Florida’s 40-man roster currently stands at 47 players, with very few players eligible for free agency after this season. In 2008, the Marlins have used 9 starting pitchers who fall in the 21-25 year age range. Volstad, Nolasco, and Johnson all have ERAs below 3.55 and Olsen sports a 4.31 ERA. Miller and Tucker are considered to be exceptional prospects, providing the Marlins with an exciting core of 6 young pitchers for their rotation. One way for the Marlins to clear space on their roster is to swap a pitcher or two for prospects who are not yet Rule 5 eligible. My favorites among the Marlin’s young starters not listed above are:
Anibal Sanchez (FLA) – 24 yo RHP – Sanchez throws a low-90s fastball, above average change and curve, and an occasional slider. He was ranked the #40 prospect in baseball by BA in 2006. Ordinarily, a player of Sanchez’ caliber would seem off-limits but three issues suggest that might not be the case. (1) It appears the Marlins used Sanchez’ final option this year, meaning he will have to pass through waivers prior to being designated to a minor league team if he fails to stick on the Marlins’ active roster. (2) Sanchez has pitched in only 9 games this year following an injury-shortened 2007, and he has not been particularly good (46 IP, 5.87 ERA, 1.61 WHIP, 42K). (3) The players union filed a grievance against the Marlins based on Sanchez’ contention that his arm injury in 2007 was mis-handled by the team. If the Marlins decide that their team will be better by subtracting Sanchez, I hope that the Rangers are at the front of the line with trade ideas.
Majors – 144 IP, 3.24 ERA, 5.4K/9IP, 4.1BB/9IP, 1.37 WHIP
Minors – 326 IP, 2.71 ERA, 10.4K/9IP, 2.9BB/9IP, 1.10 WHIP
Rick Vanden Hurk (FLA) – 23 yo RHP – Vanden Hurk was apparently rushed to the majors in 2007 and was predictably punished by major league hitters as a 21 yo rookie (6.83 ERA). Vanden Hurk has struggled again this year in limited action in the majors (7.71 ERA). Because he is down to his last option, he faces an uphill battle cracking the Marlins starting rotation. The right-hander features a big curveball and low 90’s fastball that he can get up to 96 MPH. His minor league numbers are outstanding. Given his age and stuff, it seems likely that Vanden Hurk stands a good chance of breaking out in another year or two, whereupon he could provide a team a very nice 3-4 year return on their investment.
Majors – 95 IP, 6.96 ERA, 9.6K/9IP, 5.5BB/9IP, 1.80 WHIP
Minors – 289 IP, 3.61 ERA, 9.3K/9IP, 4.1BB/9IP, 1.30 WHIP
Tampa Rays
The Rays have 42 players on their 40-man roster and several prospects who need to be added in the fall or they will be exposed to the Rule 5 draft. With David Price apparently ready to join Kazmir, Shields, Garza, and Sonnastine or Jackson in the Rays rotation and Davis, McGee, and Hellickson expected to be ready soon, there appears to be little room for a couple of young pitchers with impressive resumes.
JP Howell (Rays) – 25 yo LHP - After struggling as a starter for parts of three years in the majors (ERA above 6.00), the Rays put Howell in the bullpen in 2008 and he has flourished (2.54 ERA). While his recent success has likely moved him out of the bargain bin, it is possible that the Rays might consider a trade to clear room on their 40- and 25-man rosters for one of their stud pitching prospects or for a veteran who can add experience to their young team.
Majors – 226 IP, 5.33 ERA, 7.8K/9IP, 4.1BB/9IP, 1.49 WHIP
Minors – 346 IP, 3.20 ERA, 9.5K/9IP, 3.2BB/9IP, 1.23 WHIP
James Houser (Rays) – 23 yo LHP – Houser has a low 90s fastball, above average curve, and a developing change-up. Drafted in the second round in 2003, his career minor league numbers are excellent – 3.66 ERA, 8.1K/9IP, 3.0BB/9IP, 1.21 WHIP. Houser was added to the Rays’ 40-man roster last year and appears to have one option remaining. He is a fringe Top10 prospect for the Rays but doesn’t seem to be in their future rotation plans. Houser received a 50-game suspension last year for PEDs, but his numbers this year have remained strong in AAA (2.86 ERA, 1.16 WHIP).
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Scott Olsen
The Marlins have Nolasco, Olsen, Johnson, Sanchez, Volstad, Miller, Vanden Hurk, and Tucker vying for the rotation. Olsen, Nolasco, and Johnson are all arbitration eligible this off-season I believe.
The Marlins are probably looking to be competitive next year. As such, I doubt they would trade Nolasco, given that he has really emerged as one of the best pitchers in baseball. Likewise, Johnson’s value isn’t as high as it could be and he has shown to be an ace-caliber pitcher when healthy.
Olsen seems to be the most likely player to be traded, given he is in line for a raise and he has some past behavioral problems. He has really good stuff and a pretty high upside, from what I understand. This year he has lowered his walk total a little bit and has a 4.20 ERA in 190 IP. At only 24, he is still under team control for three more years. They Marlins need a catcher. Maybe Laird and another moderate prospect would be enough to get Olsen?
Olsen is defintely an interesting trade possibilty
Olsen was one of three Marlins that I strongly considered for this piece. In fact, he was in my original write-up. I replaced Olsen with Sanchez this evening when I discovered that Sanchez’ relationship with the Marlins has likely been strained by his perception that his injury was mis-handled last year. In my opinion, that increases the likelihood that he will be the guy who gets dropped from Florida’s “Starting 9.”
Noteworthy on Olsen is that he has lost velocity on his fastball this year. It used to sit in the low-90’s but has dropped to the upper 80s. It hasn’t seemed to affect his performance, but it might be indicative of an early decline in his stuff.
by spurdynasty on Sep 18, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
No on Olsen
His problems don’t scare me but his performance and stuff does.
I like the idea of one of the other Florida guys, and Howell looks like at the very least a good bullpen acquisition. The Rangers bullpen will need some work as I fully expect Wright to be gone and both he and Rupe are good bets to slump or be injured next year with the workload they’ve shouldered. The fact that Howell is a lefty with a 1.73 GO/FO ratio this year just makes him all the more interesting.
Unfortunately, as with Nolasco, Howell’s emergence makes him less available.
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I would try hardest to pry away Sanchez from them
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Anibal Sanchez
Of all of the pitchers that I looked at in this exercise, Sanchez is the one with the best combination of upside and potential availability. His ML numbers are good, but he clearly has not reached his potential. He is 24 with 4 years of club control and four solid pitches. To me, he is where Nolasco was a year ago. His arm injury last year is a but scary, but if the Marlins have soured on him, he would be the guy that I would target if I were JD.
Wrong...
Most of those people you listed would not be a bargain…
Homer Bailey?
I’m in Reds country up here, and trust me… He will not come cheap.
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who was your source on the josh hamilton relapse?
go kick them in the nuts.
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by knockoutking on Sep 19, 2008 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Bailey's trade value?
I would love to get an idea of what the Reds think he is worth.
Regarding the other players on the list, I admit to adding a few players (Morales, Adenhart, Sanchez, and Howell) that are likely to require significantly more than a low level prospect or two. But I think that if the timing is right, the Rangers could acquire most of the pitchers on this list for something along the lines of Laird + Gomez or less.
by spurdynasty on Sep 18, 2008 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
But thats
not true.
Put yourself in the Reds position, would you do that trade if you were them?
They are in a rebuilding mode.
Homer Bailey has plus stuff and is still very young, why would they throw that away?
They would ask for Chris Davis at the least.
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Bailey's value
Based on his 2008 performance, he looks a lot like Volquez at the end of 2006 – great stuff, iffy command, abysmal major league results. His saving grace is that he was a highly ranked prospect for four years running, though that was primarily based on a couple of outstanding seasons in A-ball. His walk rates and WHIP have not been good above A+. Given his performance the last two years, I am concerned that Bailey is as likely to flame out as he is to succeed.
If I were the Reds, I would ask for Davis and be prepared to accept Salty. If I were Daniels, I would offer Laird and be prepared to give Salty.
by spurdynasty on Sep 19, 2008 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I view Salty as being expendable
I did not intend the term “bargain” to be taken to mean “inexpensive”. For instance, a $200,000 home in Manhattan is not inexpensive, but it is almost certainly a bargain.
My goal for this exercise was to identify pitchers who might be had this off-season without the Rangers having to give up the 20 or so guys in AA and up whom I consider to be part of the core that will allow them to be playoff contenders from 2010 to 2014. In my opinion, Salty is not in that collection and thus is expendable.
by spurdynasty on Sep 19, 2008 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I have to disagree on one of your points
$200,000 in Manhattan is an outright steal. ;)
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yep
A supposedly power hitting catcher who hit slugged .364 this year and didn’t markedly improve his defense. It would be a case of both players being bought/sold at their lowest values.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Bailey
Why would they trade him?
Surely if your sources are as good as you say they are, you would know the answer to that question.
My “source” told me a few weeks back that the Reds are extremely frustrated with Bailey’s attitude, and that he’s been very unresponsive to the advice of his coaches, to the point where he pretty much ignores them or does the opposite of what they ask him to do, simply out of spite.
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Yes, but...
Is he a life long “knucklehead”, or does he just need to get the heck out of Cincy? That’s the million dollar question.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Attitude
this is one area I feel that Nolan Ryan is definitely valuable. If he can’t get a pitcher to buy into instruction no one can.
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Attitude
The combination of Bailey being back home in Texas and having Nolan around might make it worth taking a chance on him.
Then again, he might be a life-long knucklehead; I’m really not sure.
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I agree re: NR & TX
I don’t know his history/backstory…was he this way in his younger years, and/or did something Cincy did precipitate the ’tude?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
my understanding is that he kind of had a big head after the draft (may have read it somewhere)
but the point is that the last 2 years he has been called “uncoachable” and that he has an attitude and such
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by knockoutking on Sep 19, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
If the Reds asked...
for Davis in return for Bailey they would get laughed at.
I think you need to look a little closer at Homer’s performance and attitude this year if you are that close to Reds territory.
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JP Howell
No way the Rays trade Howell unless they are blown away by the offer. Howell may win team MVP this year. Vaule for him is in the pen anyway… his numbers as a starter are alarming.
team MVP
are you kidding me?
howell: 187 era+ in 85 IP – 61 hits – 37 bb
grant balfour: 286 era+ in 53 ip – 26 hits – 22 bb
dan wheeler: 133 era+ in 63 ip – 43 hits – 20 bb
james shields: 120 era+ in 207 ip – 39 bb
matt garza: 119 era+ in 168 ip – 57 bb
scott kazmir: 124 era+ in 141 ip – 67 bb
carlos pena: 131 ops+
evan longoria: 136 ops+
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by knockoutking on Sep 19, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
well...
drays bay was doing a team mvp poll, and Howell did seem to get alot of votes.
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thats insane
hes a fucking relief pitcher
and not even a closer…
if he wins a devil rays MVP of any type they deserve to go back to losing
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by knockoutking on Sep 20, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Mitch Talbot
Clark mentioned Mitch Talbot as a potential acquisition target from the Rays. He’s only pitched a game or two at the major league level, but perhaps you’ve seen him pitch. If so, do you have a quick scouting report?
on the Marlins
one thing to note is the strong performance of John Baker in the second half of this season. He put up solid numbers in the minors all year in AAA, albeit at the age of 27 and in a strong hitters park, but since coming up to the majors, he has hit thusly. A low budget, shrewd team like the Marlins may not wish to give up anything of value when they have a guy like Baker giving them (perhaps false) hope.
As much as I would like to land a young Marlins pitcher, I think I best options are Cincy, NY and Boston.
i dont think so
i think they would be a perfect team to flip salty to – they need a high upside catcher catcher to try to compete
teams that SHOULD be interested in one of our catchers:
fla
tb
bos
yankees?
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by knockoutking on Sep 19, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
TB?
Dioner Navarro has had a nice year (9th in OPS at the position), and he is a couple of months younger than Teagarden. I seriously doubt that the Rays will be interested in trading for a C.
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d'oh
totally forgot about navarro
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by knockoutking on Sep 19, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Bargain Schmargain
you get what ya pay for.
Let’s just get it over with and get Tim Lincecum over here before he becomes even more untouchable than he already is. San Francisco needs LOTS of things..we have LOTS of things to offer.
That boy was dealing last night against the D’backs..only lost because of a bad play by an infielder who was playing the outfield.
He threw a 138 pitch game recently…simply awesome!!
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i would give a SHITLOAD for that guy
sell the farm
all of it.
granted it would take something like
andrus, holland, young arm (perez?), vallejo/JMJ, one of the catchers (maxram?), beltre?
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by knockoutking on Sep 19, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I can honestly say
there’s not a player in the game I’d trade Andrus, Dutch, M-Per, Vallejo, Maxamilliano, and Beltre for, regardless of whether SF would do that deal, which they probably wouldn’t.
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by thedirkatron on Sep 19, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
well yea i wouldnt trade that much
but id give a lot. and it would take a LOT
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by knockoutking on Sep 19, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
A couple things...
First off have you seen what the Giants could get for Cain?
http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/1248904.html
So if they can get that kind of package for Cain what would they ask for Lincecum? Answer is nothing, because he’s not going anywhere. Especially if the Giants deal Cain or are looking to deal him.
The chances of the Rangers getting Lincecum are about the same as signing CC.
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yeh I know it's pipe dreaming ...
of course it will never happen… pitchers of that quality never seem to make it to the Rangers.
It wouldn’t hurt to try though.. a nice plump package with lots of goodies within reason of course.. hell throw in Knoxie and Ranger Captain if you have to :)
Big Daddy would have to open up the vault … which would all come back to him…I’d pay to see him pitch over and over.. instead of passing on the likes of Kevin Millwood who’s shown up at the dinner party with the most delicious looking casserole…unfortunately he showed up as the dirty dishes are being picked up…Thanks Milly you’re a real champ!!
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by LAMuscleFag on Sep 19, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Its always so insane
when folks talk about trading for an established ML star pitcher with lots of years of control left.
I’ve seen pitchers traded before they’ve establised anything in the majors, I’ve seen guys with a year or 2 til free agency traded, I’m not sure I recall someone of Lincecum’s status traded.
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Burnett or Sheets
I have seen it written that Toronto may sweeten the pot to keep Burnett. Because of this, I feel Burnett will opt-out to see what is out there before considering staying in Toronto.
Is Burnett a good target at 5 years and $85 million (Avg.: $17 mil per year)?
I would do the following: 2009: $16mil, 2010: $16.5, 2011: $17mil, 2012: $17.5 mil and 2013: $18 mil.
If he can just keep doing what he is doing, would he be worth that? Would he take that? He starts 2009 at 32, so this gets him to 36 years old at a nice rate.
Love the ideas spurdynasty thanks for your write-ups!
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
Burnett...
at that price = pass.
I do believe someone will give him something close to 5/75 though.
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As Norm once famously said
“No, no, no, no, no, no, never, never, no, never!”
by Joey Matschulat on Sep 19, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't waste their time then.
How about a run at Sheets (now that he is hurting again) then for a hometown friendly 4 for 48 with incentives based on innings pitched. Something like a $500k bonus for 150 innings pitched, then $500k for each 10 innings he pitches after that.
Doubt that would get it done, but you never know.
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
If Sheets checks out healthy in physicals then he'll get more than that
if there’s something really wrong with his arm, I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot clown pole.
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by thedirkatron on Sep 19, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
My Fave 5
Based upon likelihood of being available for a reasonable cost and potential for being a long-term solution in the Rangers rotation:
(1) Anibal Sanchez
(2) Dallas Braden
(3) Carlos Villanueva
(4) Yusmiero Petit
(5) Merkin Valdez
ceiling
what would you suggest as a reasonable ceiling for each of those five? would you consider any of them potential #2/3 starters? likelihood that one will be able to log 200+ ip on a contending rotation in the AL?
actually I’d also like to hear your thoughts on those same series of questions about the ready/near-ready young pitchers under Rangers control.
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i would say
the highest ceilings belong to Sanchez and Valdez. I am not a huge fan of Braden, as I think we have a number of 4-5 starters like him. Petit is a bit of a wild card because i have heard he relies on the deception of his delivery and some okay offspeed stuff, and that is the type of pitcher that hitters adjust to. Villanueva needs to stay in the bullpen where he is best suited.
petit
never was thought of that highly in the minors fwiw
be it w/ the mets
or the marlins?
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by knockoutking on Sep 20, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Ceilings
Based on past performances:
Sanchez could become a #2 or #3 starter. He was outstanding as a rookie in 2006 (114 IP, 10W/3L, 2.83 ERA, 1.19 WHIP but has struggled with an injury the last two years.
Valdez sounds like Volquez with better control. Great fastball/change-up, very good K-rate. If he can overcome his injury issues, he projects to have a ceiling as a #2 or #3.
Braden’s minor league numbers suggest that he has top-of-the-rotation potential (>10K/9IP, >4:1 K:walk ratio). Based on his minor league numbers, I would rank him as slightly more interesting than Harrison at this point.
Petit and Villanueva look like back of the rotation guys that could give you 200 innings of league average performance. After the last eight years, I would gladly take that.
Young Rangers Pitchers
You read my mind Tricer. I am working on two pieces that aim to project the future performances of Harrison, Hunter, Hurley, McCarthy, Feldman, Holland, Feliz, Kiker, and Poveda.
Josh Rupe...
Is there any possibility that Josh Rupe could get a shot as a starting pitcher?
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by YourNameHere on Sep 20, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
thats something im intrested to see
after how much CJ praised him + how well he did before dropping off (workload?) im interested to see
anyway his stats:
first 20 appearences: (april-june 27)
3-1, 44 IP, 3.43 era, 22 k:18bb, 1 HR, 42 hits (ugh) – .269 BAA
next 23 appearences: (july 1- sept 15)
0-0, 40 ip, 6.3 era, 25k:24bb, 6 HR, 45 hits – .296 BAA
28 times from behind
6 times tied
9 times when were ahead
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first half vs second half
1st: 25 games, 53 ip, 4.25 era, 20:29 bb/k, 53 hits
2nd: 18 games, 32 ip, 5.68 era, 22:20 bb/k, 34 hits
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by knockoutking on Sep 20, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
those ratios
don’t indicate anything more than a mop up guy.
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The odd part about his season is that
he allowed an .831 OPS to RHH’s this season, which is almost exactly in line with his career .832 OPS to RHH’s.
Where he absolutely melted down this year was that he allowed an .869 OPS to LHH’s, where his career number (including this year’s high numbers) is a .585 OPS against LHH’ers. In ‘07 he limited LHH’ers to .381 OPS (that’s a 10 OPS+!).
The difference seems to be in the BABIP, which this year went from his career number of .240 (very low), to .343 (extremely high).
What those numbers mean for his future… shit, I dunno.
But they’re interesting.
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by thedirkatron on Sep 21, 2008 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions
A name that could potentially be available
Don’t know if Cincy might have soured on Aaron Harang, but that is a top of the rotation guy that could possibly be available at a huge discount compared to just a year ago.
He is under contract for the next 2-3 years:
09:$11M, 10:$12.5M, 11:$12.75M ($2M buyout).
I think there is a good chance that you could get Aaron Harang at a significantly reduced cost compared to a Zach Greinke, and I think he would offer similar results going forward.
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That would work
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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I'm not a big Harang believer...
but obviously it just depends on how much of a discount he comes at. With that contract I wouldn’t offer much for him. Either that or the Rangers are going to have to deal Millwood or Padilla. With MY’s contract kicking in next year I’m not sure how high Hicks is willing to take the payroll. Interesting name to kick the tires on though.
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if they'd take it...
…i give up salty for bailey in a heart beat… the only question is does another organization have a great interest in salty and better prospects to deal… i know th bosox have been the most targeted trade party for salts but they seem less inclined to deal an equivelent young pitcher… i guess you have to have enough scouting to say whether baileys problems in the bigs are temporary or long term and whether you think you can get bucholz, masterson, bowden or the like from boston for salty…
i think i’d actually prefer bailey, but even his small sample size scares me…
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Valdez
With regards to Merkin Valdez, i don’t think it’s very likely that a deal is made. He performed very well at the beginning of the season, but has been injured a lot since then. The reason i don’t think a deal is likely is because, when healthy Valdez performed very well, and so we’d want something in return. On the other hand, Texas obviously wouldn’t want to give up much, because he’s a huge injury question mark. Both teams will probably look at the worst case scenarios, and have different valuations on how much he’s worth.
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Thanks for the insight, GiantFan
As an outsider, it appears to me that the Giants are as deep as any team in young, talented starting pitchers. Do you think that there is room for Valdez as a starting pitcher, or is he likely to be relegated to a role in the bullpen? Do you have a sense of what type of player the Giants would seek in a return for Valdez?
by spurdynasty on Sep 23, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
He’s been relegated to a role in the bullpen at the moment, although that’s probably as much due to health as performance. I think he’s probably going to stick in the bullpen if he returns from injury. I’ve no idea what we’d require in return, it’d be hard to ask much, given he’s hardly played the last couple of years. I think the Liriano trade might make them wary of trading an injury-riddled pitcher with good upside, unless they were to get something useful, or at least more than you’re likely to give up for an injury prone pitcher.
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How about AAA corner outfielder with the potential to put up 30-40 home runs per year? He’s a former 1st round draft pick from Stanford, so he presumably likes the Bay Area. Unlike Valdez, he does not have a history of injuries.
I'd like to see that deal
not sure I see the Giants doing it though.
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Go away, Cahill
I’ve got a customer on the hook, here!
Unfortunately, I doubt
GiantFan can pull the trigger on a deal :)
I’ve never understood the game of “let’s pull a fast one over some schlub on a blog”.
Mayberry will be very lucky to have the career of Nelson Cruz.
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I was just joshing, Cahill
And poking a bit of fun at myself for playing Rangers GM with a Giants fan who has the same capacity to consummate a trade as me.
On a more serious note, I am curious to know how fans of other teams might view Mayberry. On the surface, Mayberry’s numbers and profile actually look intriguing in a bargain-hunting sort of way.
Please no Merkin on the Rangers
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Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
My thought exactly.
I would giggle like a little girl everytime he took the field

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