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Around SBN: Are The Orioles Bad Or Unlucky With Their Young Pitching?

Friday a.m. stuff

9 games to go, and an off day yesterday, so not a lot Rangers related out there this morning.

Evan Grant discusses the fact that the Rangers have used 55 players this season, a team record, and notes that part of that is because the "build from within" movement is starting to pay off.

Jeff Wilson has a piece on Brandon McCarthy and the "freakish" injuries he's suffered since coming to Texas. 

And Randy Galloway has a column on Nolan Ryan's plans for the direction of the Rangers, with some interesting quotes:

For those of us who think it also should be firing time in Texas, all Ryan would say Thursday was, "I’m currently formulating a plan for next season, and once the final decision has been made, we will move forward from that."

Ryan also added this:

"I can guarantee one thing. We are going to change the way things have been done around here."

* * *

Ryan, always an honest type, has admitted his name didn’t carry the clout on the Rangers baseball side that most of us would assume. Go back to March, at the spring training complex in Arizona, and Nolan gathered the entire staff of minor league pitching coaches and instructors, telling them he wanted a coddling of pitchers (in such areas as conditioning and pitch counts) to stop immediately.

"Before we can improve our pitching, we have to change the mentality. We are not grooming pitchers to be mentally and physically tough," said Ryan. "I wanted that change to begin this season in the minors."

And the result of what he asked for in Surprise?

"Not good," said Ryan. "Most of them basically ignored me, and kept doing things the way they were being done."

When it comes to pitching, how does anyone not listen to Nolan bleeping Ryan?

As of next month, however, when there will be no more benevolent Nolan, he told me this a couple of weeks ago in a radio show interview:

"Those who didn’t follow the plan, or don’t want to follow it in the future, I would suggest they look for work in other organizations."

 

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Surprisingly frank

and blunt comments from Ryan. I don’t know if this means Daniels and Washington will be gone, but I think we can expect some changes in minor league pitching instructors and maybe even managers. I’m not sure that’s wise, because some guys down there, like Rick Adair, have been doing good things with the prospects. A blanket edict to be “tougher” doesn’t seem to me to offer any real way to make pitchers better. Every pitcher is an individual and needs to be coached individually.

And if he is talking about minor league pitching that seems to be missing the target anyway. The minor leagues featured numerous success stories, some of them downright stunning. I just don’t see how you can look at the success of the minor league pitching this year and think that’s where massive change needs to happen. But we don’t know what’s gone on behind the scenes I suppose so we’ll just have to wait and see.

Don't you know it's gonna be alright?

by t ball on Sep 19, 2008 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree with that

I also thought that was a confusing statement if he is talking about the minor league pitching with what has happend down there this year.

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 19, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Results

As you mention, we don’t know what has gone on behind the scenes, which I think makes it unfair to say that Ryan is only making a blanket edict for pitchers to be tougher. I think it’s fair to assume that he gets a little more specific when he’s talking to the folks in his organization as opposed to the media.

Moreover, there were plenty of minor league pitchers who made it to Arlington this year with pretty awful results. I think that is an indication of the effectiveness of the minor league operations and should be given just as much, if not more, weight than minor league performances, which, after all, are not what it’s all about.

by Back Door Yakker on Sep 19, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Arrivals

cannot be expected to dominate in their first exposure to the big leagues, as I’m sure you realize. There is no way that minor league pitching instructors should be evaluated based on the way Harrison, Hunter, etc. performed as rookies called up in emergency situations.

If some of these guys are indeed fired, I think Ryan needs to share a little more with the public than a simple get tough ethic.

Don't you know it's gonna be alright?

by t ball on Sep 19, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I concur

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 19, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of the young pitchers were rushed

due to injuries that had no place to be here so early. That said I think Harrison and Hurley have held their own while here.

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 19, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also Interesting

(in relation to McCarthy’s “freakish” injuries) is MJH’s post on the Rangers blog where he talks about scapula loading and shows a comparison of McCarthy to Prior and then Holland to Nolan Ryan himself. Interesting/amusing/depressing all at once.

Rangers Blog Post

by FuturePants on Sep 19, 2008 10:13 AM CDT reply actions  

ouch.

“The first Rangers pitcher to make an appearance on the pitcher VORP chart is Frankie Frank Frank at # 143 (15.4). John Danks ranks #13 (46.8), Justin Duchscherer is #16 (49.7), Edinson Volquez is #23 (39.8) and Armando Galarraga appears at #51 (30.0).”

by SteveP on Sep 19, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nolan

I really wish he would keep his hands out of the baseball development side of things and focus his attention on getting people back in TBiA. Maybe fix those off-colored wall panels, look into upgrading the video screens, local food ties, etc. Thats what i want the President doing. let the GM and coaches worry about the player development side of things. A little imput now and then is fine but those comments make me wish we never would have hired him.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Sep 19, 2008 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

agreed

one fear i had when he was hired was he would take most of the power from the gm and manager on the baseball side. sure the team needs to improve but the ballpark could use some sprucing up as well. What i’d really love is nolan to convince tom hicks to sit back, collect checks and let him worry about budgets and payroll.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Sep 19, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

When I was reading Galloway's column this morning,

I was like a kitty in front of a big saucer of milk.

I’m still purring.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Sep 19, 2008 10:15 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm not surprised

Looks like you’ll get your wish, and we’ll have something like Tim Purpura and Don Baylor here next year.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 19, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think...

…I am the only one who is extremely pro JD and extremely anti Wash. Seems that most people hate both of them or merely tolerate one of them.

by FuturePants on Sep 19, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

jd and wash

i’m still pro jd, he’s turned the farm system completely around and i think he needs to stick around to see out his plans. I really was high on wash last year and i still dont know that he should be fired but im not quite as high on him as i once was. he has too much of the old baseball mentality of veterans always being preferable to rookies.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Sep 19, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

JD yeah

Wash no

If there were no rewards to reap,
no loving embrace to see me through this tedious path I've chosen here,
I certainly would've walked away by now... Be patient

by trident on Sep 19, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm fairly

mediocre on JD and anti Wash. I think you get a GM, you pretty much have to give him 5 years, especially if his emphasis is on rebuilding.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Sep 19, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you mostly

Not as big a hater of Worsh as you are, but I don’t see much to like about him as a manager.

That said, I think he deserves more time.

Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 19, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I could live with Washington getting

more time if I saw this team playing a smarter brand of baseball.

When you mix in the performance of the team and the SOS-style of baseball, Washington needs his walking papers.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Sep 19, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd Be More Ok Wash

If I saw some kind of indication that his absolutely empty headed in game moves were showing a decrease. If anything, they are more frequent and ridiculous, as shown with his constant misuse of the lineup, every day. Arias sucks. I said it.

by FuturePants on Sep 19, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do you mean by that?

What specifically do you think Wash has done wrong?

What would you change?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 19, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Adam, I'd rather have Art Howe

managing the team and I honestly don’t know who would be a good choice for GM but I would prefer somebody this time who is not only experienced but also gets instant respect from everybody in the organization (which apparently wasn’t happening).

Speculation on my part but it seems as though Ranger pitching coaches were acting like Captain Kurtz and were used to laughing suggestions made by management.

The new manager and (hopefully) GM may not be very good either but the status quo of this thing sucks and has sucked for a long time.

It’s time to do something and hopefully Nolan makes the right hires.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Sep 19, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

What "status quo"?

There isn’t a status quo. Never has been since Hicks got here. He’s changed plans every 18 months or so.

I see no reason to believe Art Howe is a particularly good manager. Your entire faith in him seems centered on the fact that Billy Beane had him as the A’s manager for a few years.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 19, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Adam, Howe did fine in Houston given the circumstances.

The team improved their record the first year and then went into complete rebuild mode with young players like LGonzales, Biggio, Bagwell, Caminiti et al.

He then took over an Oakland team from LaRussa that was in another transition period and helped turn that ship around as well. Jeeez, He went to the playoffs three times and won over 100 games twice. When he took the NY Met job, that was at another transition time (they were old) so the team didn’t do very well.

I’ve never watched Howe manage up close but my impression from afar is that he’s good at helping young players develop and he seemed to be able to mesh the culture having a loose team that didn’t play stupid baseball.

I don’t see the organizational philosophy changing at all. They’re just getting better at executing that philosophy.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Sep 19, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

So

If Ryan hires Art Howe or whoever else as Manager, then fires JD and brings in some other good ol’ boy, and they both blow and the Rangers suck, will you admit that Ryan isn’t a very good talent evaluator himself?

by brettgardner on Sep 19, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Ryan hired a bad manager

and a bad GM, that would speak more to his hiring ability than his talent evaluation ability.

I think Ryan sees a lot of young talent on this team and within the organization that has been mismanaged, hence the impending changes.

This year was not a step forward.

The record is 75-78 but Pythagorean Theorem (which will tell you how you’re playing and how lucky/unlucky you’ve been) has this thing at 71-82.

When you still lead the world in errors committed, unearned runs allowed and are right there with leading the league in walks allowed (again), that’s not progress.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Sep 19, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have no idea

which players / pitchers Ryan has evaluated. I think his responsibilities lie more with evaluating those people who are supposed to be evaluating major league talent.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Sep 19, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Purpura + Baylor + Hicks= disaster

if JD were to get fired, I’d really only like Hunsicker out of the guys Nolan still has ties to. Hunsicker made some mistakes in his tenure LIKE EVERY GM DOES, but he put together some solid Astro teams in his tenure. Saying that, I’m comfortable with having JD stay one more winter at least. This winter for me is the tell-all on if he’s a competent big league GM or just a really really good prospect gatherer.

As far as manager, I just want a better field manager (can put together a good line-up and manage the bullpens). I liked Wash’s hiring because he brought with him the whole OBP and defense doctrine. I’ve seen more patience at the plate, but I’ve yet to see the defense turn into anything other than slightly above average. But if Wash were to stay I wouldn’t cry in my beer.

What's the rumpus?

by Hypo-Luxa on Sep 19, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Baylor

Yeah, the idea that Nolan was considering him as a replacement for Washington doesn’t give me much confidence in Nolan.

I wasn’t very impressed with Purpura during his stint in Houston, either, though he struck me as a pretty good assistant GM, and he did have to deal with McLane’s constant meddling.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Sep 19, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don Baylor's health

Alone would probably keep him from accepting another on the field job in baseball. He isn’t doing well. Yes, he’s a friend of Nolan, but I’d give Nolan credit for recognizing the work capacity of anyone he’d prefer to bring into the organization.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Sep 19, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd probably

watch even less Rangers than I do now. That would be a disaster.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Sep 19, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

its actually the tears of little children

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Sep 19, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's actually something

that made his keyboard/monitor all sticky & slimey…

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Sep 19, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

BMac and Blalock

go together like peas and carrots. The litany of injuries for the both of them is just depressing. Whether they are prospects or traded for, it still is depressing.

That tough talk from Nolan was an ey-opener. So is he throwing the pitchers as a group under the bus or is he throwing the assorted managers/coaches under the bus fr the comment that nobody listened to him? Beavan, Feliz, holland were not coddled. Their IP increased and their pitch counts topwards the end of the season weren’t tinkered with too terribly much. Then we have Scooter who is the posterchild for blowing up past IP totals.

I guess I just don’t see any glaring offenders to Nolan’s “get Tough” talk from the spring….

What's the rumpus?

by Hypo-Luxa on Sep 19, 2008 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

pitching coaches

yeah i’m not real sure how you can really target any of the minor league pitching coaches when you look at the results in the minors this season.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Sep 19, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder

If Ryan has ever considered the possibility that he could have succeeded in a different way than he did.

The thing about success is it seems to lock in a notion that it could not have been accomplished any other way, which isn’t necessarily true at all.

by brettgardner on Sep 19, 2008 10:20 AM CDT reply actions  

>>>"I can guarantee one thing. We are going to change the way things have been done around here."<<<

If he means losing I’m all for a change. If he means yet another change in organizational philosophy than I’ll be very disappointed. Our losing record sucks and our long history of losing as well.

However, we do have things pointed in the right direction with some tangible successes. Let’s see this through and see where we stand in 2009 and 2010 as JDs approach blossoms.

I’d much rather stay the course, then try yet another approach.

by gr7070 on Sep 19, 2008 10:29 AM CDT reply actions  

No doubt

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 19, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see a change in

organizational philosophy as it pertains to building this thing from within. We have lots of promising young players either in The Show or on the cusp but JD cannot overcome his history of failure when it comes to the team at the major league level.

What this team needs NOW is somebody who tightens the reins and can instill a culture where dumb baseball is not tolerated.

We alson need somebody who knows how to evaluate major league talent, especially pitching.

These are good things, don’t be afraid of change.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Sep 19, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

JD

So when those young players do come to the big leagues and perform good does that change your evaluation of JD since then he will have shown he can evaluate ML talent?

If JD is in fact fired, which I really hope not, and in 2-3 years when we are reaping the benefits of the Felizs, Hollands, Beavans, Mains, Beltres, MaxRams, Saltys, Teagardens, Davis’, Murphys, and Hamiltons will that make you change your mind about JD?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Sep 19, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Assembling talent throughout an organization

and building a winning a major league team are two completely different tasks.

It’s a different argument but there’s been a lot of talent here for a long time. JD has brought in some nice prospects but it’s not like the cupboard was bare when he was hired.

I don’t care what Baseball America said about our system in 2004 (THEY WERE WRONG!). This organization had four future All-Stars within their system (how many other MLB teams had four players in their 2004 system that made the AS Game by now?)and there were several other good players as well that entered this organization between 2003-2005.

A big part of the problem is the tsunami of indifference (credit Mike Rhyner) the fans have shown the team this year. Fans have no incentive to believe things are going to be any different next year with both Washington & JD still aboard.

I think fans will be patient if they see true progress and a team that plays a smarter brand of baseball but this year was step backwards or at best, the SOS.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Sep 19, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Assembling talent throughout an organization

and building a winning a major league team are NOT two completely different tasks.

Consistent winners, like the Yankees and Braves teams of recent vintage, had lots of young players from within contributing on both pitching and defense. I share your skepticism that Daniels can finish the job by pulling in the right pieces as the young talent matures. But you’re simply being obstinate by not acknowledging what he and his people have done with the minor league system in the last couple of years. But, of course, that just doesn’t compute in your simple thumbs up, thumbs down world.

Don't you know it's gonna be alright?

by t ball on Sep 19, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Josey Whines...

smarter than the guys at Baseball America…of course*!

*=in his mind.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Sep 19, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

We all know that

the first most important thing that Ranger starting pitching must do is pitch farther into games, relieving the pressure on the bullpen. That hasn’t improved much for quite a few years. Do you think change is not called for or, at least, to be expected, until this fundamental need is at least partially fulfilled?
I think most of you are pitting JD against Ryan in your own minds with every word or action Ryan makes as an offense to JD.
Why not save your angst for a couple of weeks from now when there might be a basis? Why are we taking a Galloway column on baseball as source of the truth?

by mcgee48c on Sep 19, 2008 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Do you believe Galloway

misquoted Ryan?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Sep 19, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry about the untimeliness of

my reply.
I thought we were quoting a Galloway column where Galloway quotes Ryan. Is there any other source that is also attributing these quotes to Ryan?
I think Galloway’s main schtick is man-dramatics as do all of you. So why do you think we are getting unfiltered quotes from Galloway about anything? Are we just taking his words when it fits into our own man-dramatics?
So if that translates for any of you into Galloway misquoting then I believe he is, furthering his own agenda. The actual quotes are somewhat non-commital but Galloway’s personal slant that he throws in provide much more of the controvery.

by mcgee48c on Sep 19, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quite possibly

very true.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Sep 19, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

But Ryan's comments

seemed directed at the minor league pitching coaches and instructors, at least that is what the article states. I was commenting on that, not anything to do with Daniels. And again I’ll say that if Ryan is looking to make huge changes in the minor league pitching, he might be missing the target.

If Ryan fires Daniels and Washington on the grounds that he doesn’t trust them to handle the pitching talent coming up from the minors, he has an argument. But if they end up firing a bunch of guys like Adair, Micucci, Danny Clark, then he would have to be ignoring a whole bunch of good things happening down there.

Fomenting about heads rolling and big changes is just reactionary management, and not a good sign for the future.

Don't you know it's gonna be alright?

by t ball on Sep 19, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Adam, mcgee48c asks

“Why are we taking a Galloway column on baseball as a source of the truth?”

That’s why I asked if he believed Galloway misquoted Ryan.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Sep 19, 2008 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Nolan

1. I don’t think either JD or Wash is gone.. if you change both, the new GM and new coach will want entire new staffs— I don’t think the staffs are the problem. JD has made some bad moves, but he’s made some incredible moves and the last few drafts have been great.

2. Coddling pitchers — I think this is more along the lines of accepting pitchers coming to camp out of shape and not holding them accountable for putting in their non-throwing workouts throughout the year.

by mattrpav on Sep 19, 2008 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

I hope Nolan is successful

but going against the ol’ baseball belief system will be a huge task for him.

by SteveP on Sep 19, 2008 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Hehehe

’Fraid to ’form you of this, Hunter.

But … there’s a baseball

                                  man in town.

No more softball in His organization.

Did Ben survive the hurricane?

by inactive lsb user on Sep 19, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Nolan...

is blowing smoke. I don’t see any major changes being made besides maybe a new pitching coach.

I still don’t see JD or Wash going anywhere. I do see some changes in players though with some deals.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 19, 2008 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Nolan doesn't seem to

be the type of person who blows a lot of smoke.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Sep 19, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

But he didn’t actually even imply he was going to start firing people. After re-reading, I took him to mean that new guidelines would be mandated, and not following those new rules would be a fireable offense.

Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 19, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

BT, lots of ways

to interpret what Ryan said but we saw firsthand that he’s not afraid to fire people (Connor & Chiti) and he doesn’t sound very happy with the product on the field or results he saw this year.

Galloway’s article referenced a couple of other empty suits within the corporate walls being run also…anybody know who that was?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Sep 19, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

No he doesn't...

but I think he is here.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 19, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

slc, now THAT is hilarious!

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Sep 19, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

nolan

I don’t really understand the Nolan hate here. He was actually hired to do what he has said he would do. I think he understands that if you put a winner on the field you will put butts in seats. All you bloggers seem to think you know how it is done. Guess what? You don’t have the job. He does and I would bet he does that job. He might fail but he might actually know what the fuck he is doing. If he succeeds will you haters give him the credit? I don’t think so. Mostly you boys just like to post stats and bitch. JD and Wash need to go.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

I soloed in the Mile High Club!

by horsedooty on Sep 19, 2008 2:03 PM CDT reply actions  

I know you're just doing shtick

But the real reason most of us defend JD is that the majority of people on this board believe the way to build a winner is from the ground up through solid player development. And JD has shown himself to be a fantastic talent evaluator at the amateur level. Our system is absolutely stocked. The ‘06 and ’07 drafts were bursting at the seems with talent, and the ’08 draft looks just as promising. Plus we’ve been doing a good job of grabbing undervalued minor league guys in trades (MaxRam and Neftali stand out here), and have done a good job of adding some LA studs as well (M-Per, Font, Santana, Fabio, Gomez, etc.).

This team is very well positioned to be an absolute force in 2010 and going forward and we don’t want to see that jeopardized b making a regime change in middle of a rebuild just cause we looked like a rebuilding team during what was a rebuilding year.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 19, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus

we actually looked a lot better than a rebuilding team. It was amazing how well we’ve done while trotting out 22 and 23 year olds….

What's the rumpus?

by Hypo-Luxa on Sep 19, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not that Amazed

While we are headed in the right direction and it looks like we have some legit young talent, I wouldn’t exactly call the 12th worst run differential in the AL amazing even when conisdering the you talent we’ve played.

If it weren’t for luck the Rangers would have the 3rd worst record in the league.

by gr7070 on Sep 19, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right

Having an entire AAA club on your team and still winning isn’t anything worth noting. Just ask the A’s

What's the rumpus?

by Hypo-Luxa on Sep 19, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Winning?

Winning the division? The wild card? A winning record? What winning are you referring to.

Again I’m pleased to finally see some positive things happening with young MLers and prospects, but this isn’t an amazing club.

The underlying team stats don’t look quite as rosy as a 2nd place division finish, near .500 record. They’re literally the 12th team in the AL.

by gr7070 on Sep 19, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

What Hypo is reffering to is

It could have been a lot worse in a rebuilding year. Just look at the Tigers a few years ago when they were playing a lot of their kids. All of the kids the Rangers brought up this year are still learning on the job and they are winning. Look no further than Harrison he is 8-5. There are days when he looks great and days when he looks like he couldn’t get out a team full of blind players. Experience man it’s about experience.

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 19, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matt "Eyes" Harrison

8-3…get it right, ya’ damn sooner!!!

;)

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Sep 19, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 19, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

JD

Has done a better than expected job, given his constraints (Hicks/Hart) early on, and the shift in who talks for ownership since Nolan’s appointment as president of the organization. And I put credence in the thrust that Ryan wants to see wholly improved pitching performance at every level, from Surprise to Arlington, and possibly that he’s right about either conditioning or talent evaluation.

That said, I’ve only lived here since 1986. Never heard of Galloway prior to then. Have heard enough since to consider him a self serving gasbag, who will push a modicum of truth into a primary global initiative IF it gets him attention and ego reinforcement.

Keep JD. If Wash understands and can go work more than he is able to articulate, keep him too. Apply Ryan Rules to further pitching development, but stay on track, keep the current plan active and well. Pitcher treatment is not the be-all, end-all in the franchise plan. It just hurts the most when it fails.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Sep 19, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

In agreeing with Ed,

I would further marvel at how Galloway is able to cloud issues with self-produced controversy, and be obvious about it, all the while. He still is able to anger us some of the time, beyond initial reading, and draw us into long, angry discussions over his contrived columns.
I’m not excluding myself from this, and, in the final analysis, we have to realize that Grandpa Urine has once again manipulated us. Jerry Springer and Joe Pine must be somewhere smiling.

by mcgee48c on Sep 19, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

long, angry discussions

If Adam posted that water was wet it would probably evolve into a long, angry discussion here. We come here solely to argue about baseball, if it hadn’t been Galloway it would have been something else. I agree with you and Ed, though.

Don't you know it's gonna be alright?

by t ball on Sep 19, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is water wet?

I mean, it makes other things wet, but is water itself wet? Nope.

I don’t think water is wet and you’re a JD-loving idiot and I hate you if you think it is.

Get off the Boy Blunder’s jock, T.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 19, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Less water

more high heat!

Don't you know it's gonna be alright?

by t ball on Sep 19, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

What kind of high heat are we talking about here?

Cause you know most high heat is actually made in New York City.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 19, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does wet imply movement?

I guess it depends on your inertial reference frame.

Did Ben survive the hurricane?

by inactive lsb user on Sep 19, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know what doesn't depend on your intertial reference frame?

Texas High Heat, that’s what.

In case you’re wondering, that was a burn.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 19, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is that Franscisco's

new fastball grip?

Don't you know it's gonna be alright?

by t ball on Sep 20, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amen

Praise dirkytron!

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Sep 19, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, I don't think it is shtick

Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 19, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

who needs stats

F**k stats! I say you play the game the right way with grit and a good face, we don’t need stats messing up our American pastime. Back in my day we didn’t know how to count so we didn’t even keep score.
My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and thats the way i like it!

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Sep 19, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

reply to nolan

I don’t really understand how if Ryan is questioned in any way it’s “nolan hate”. This makes about as much sense as Josey Wales saying anything less than total JD bashing should be construed as someone sucking his balls. There is a lot of gray area with both men, and the organization in general, and lots to discuss. Sure, some opinions on Ryan, Daniels, etc. are less nuanced, but I think most here are ready to acknowledge pluses and minuses.

Don't you know it's gonna be alright?

by t ball on Sep 19, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Team presidents

Nowhere in the job description has there ever been mention of micromanaging minor league pitching coaches.

And who is it, you surmise, that doesn’t grasp the mind numbingly obvious concept “that if you put a winner on the field you will put butts in seats?”

There’s a new paradigm, blogger-boy-haters and amateur-GM-wannabes, and Papa Bear Nolan’s got it all locked down. Winners = seat-buttage.

Damn near revolutionary, I’d wager…

Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 19, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT: Robin Big

from mtv was at my high school pep rally today. god hes huge. i never watched his show, is he know all across the nation?

"Tommy Hunter will be the best pitcher on the Rangers in 2009" Me- August 14th, 2008

by Seth. on Sep 19, 2008 3:07 PM CDT reply actions  

actually his name is his big. not robin big lol

"Tommy Hunter will be the best pitcher on the Rangers in 2009" Me- August 14th, 2008

by Seth. on Sep 19, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

What?

Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 19, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

The pythag

doesn’t really work with this year’s Rangers. I don’t think beating the pythag has anything to do with luck. Their problem has been inconsistency out of a bunch of young pitchers. When they get hammered, they really get hammered which skews the pythag.

by Redcaps on Sep 20, 2008 12:04 PM CDT reply actions  

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