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Seriously

Do you folks remember how Ed Coffin used to be about Rod Barajas, a couple of years ago?

That's where I am with Jamey Wright right now.

I don't want to see him in a game unless it is mop-up duty with a big deficit.

And I've defended some of Wash's bullpen usage in the past, and I've felt part of his problem is that his hands have been tied with limited options.

But when you are in September with expanded rosters, and you've got a fully rested pen, and you bring Jamey Wright into a game with a 2 run lead, watch him suck for an inning and yet somehow, miraculously, escape while only allowing one run, and then send that same guy back out there so he can let 4 straight baserunners get on while blowing the lead...

That's inexcusable.

This team has pitching problems.  That makes this more difficult.  But it also seems to me that a team with pitching problems, that is in a hitter's park, needs to put a premium on the ability to handle a pitching staff and a bullpen, and needs to have a manager for whom that is a strength.

I see no reason to believe that that's the current situation here.

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I want Washington demoted

He’s loved by players but he simply can’t coach. Make him a 3rd or 1st base coach.

by Coolbean04 on Sep 19, 2008 11:57 PM CDT reply actions  

That's not realistic

You don’t demote a manager to third base coach.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 19, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's correct

You FIRE them.

"Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states" - Barack Obama

by LSBUser on Sep 20, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you Chris

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 20, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's stupid

He is just an example of the Peter Principle at work.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 20, 2008 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

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I don’t think he’s stupid

How would you set about convincing an audience otherwise?

Countless examples, countless meltdowns, countless posts about him.

Did Ben survive the hurricane?

by inactive lsb user on Sep 20, 2008 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

sadly.... you are correct sir.

..perhaps stupid is debateably a bit too strong of a word.. how about “managerially challenged”?

This is all about being politically correct ya know :)

I’d like to ONCE see a post where Wash was commened on making a brilliant move, we all know there are thousands of examples of bonehead moves..those are a dime a dozen.

Steal Home R.I.P. 9/10/08

by LAMuscleFag on Sep 20, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, it isn't about being politically correct

It is about differentiating between someone not being a good manager, and someone being “stupid.”

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 20, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he's not stupid and has some semblance of value

we need to move him to 3B coach. It’s not about being politically correct.

Otherwise, he’s costing this team, not only in games, but in player development.

Did Ben survive the hurricane?

by inactive lsb user on Sep 20, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

you don't move a manager to 3rd base coach

that’s not practical. you fire him and bring in a replacement.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 20, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why isn't that practical

if he shouldn’t have been manager in the first place.

Wash could be an outstanding 3rd base coach.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Did Ben survive the hurricane?

by inactive lsb user on Sep 20, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

When has a manager...

ever been fired or demoted and then stayed with the team as a 1st/3rd/Bench/Pitching coach?

It just isn’t going to happen.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 20, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the point

precedent is irrelevant.

Why can’t it be the first time?

Peter Principle — whoops, you’ve climbed a rung to high Ron. Now you’ll need to step back down to somewhere more suitable to your level of competence. Instead of, oh, we’ll just cut our losses completely and fire him.

Did Ben survive the hurricane?

by inactive lsb user on Sep 20, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

too high*

/Freudian

Did Ben survive the hurricane?

by inactive lsb user on Sep 20, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again...

I’d be for it. I’m not on the fire Wash train like many here, but if they could get him to step down to a coach and hire someone else I think I’d be fine with that. Problem is it just won’t happen imo.

Most here won’t like it, but Wash is going to be the manager here next year.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 20, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the same reason...

when a pastor of a church is replaced, he doesn’t continue to be a member of the church, or any number of examples in a regular workplace. It screws up the team dynamic when someone is demoted into the same work environment they were previously managing.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Sep 20, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

do you think

Ron Washington is an intelligent man?

"So he tore it up in AA. Yippee. ...Max Ramirez be damned." - bigsteve

by tricer on Sep 20, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

The majority of his writing

insinuates otherwise. He’s being dodgy about this label, though.

Did Ben survive the hurricane?

by inactive lsb user on Sep 20, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not being dodgy about it

I’m saying I don’t think he’s stupid, and it bothers me some when people keep just labelling him stupid.

It would probably bother me less if he were someone like Buckles. But he’s someone who, by all accounts, is a good guy, who the players like and who people like dealing with.

If a player who is a good guy and a good teammate is a terrible player, I don’t have a problem saying he sucks, but I wouldn’t say he sucks at life or needs to die, although some people would.

Similarly, someone who is a terrific coach and a good person who, as it turns out, isn’t a very good manager can be described as a sucky manager, but I wouldn’t say he’s a stupid person or whatever.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 20, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

again. That seems pretty stupid to hire a terrific coach to be your sucky manager.

Ron has made countless stupid decisions. He is a stupid manager, if not a stupid person.

Did Ben survive the hurricane?

by inactive lsb user on Sep 20, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Finally figured out

What I really don’t like about Wash. This is going to sound terrible, but gotta tell it. I’m a veteran of New Orleans nightscene. And my son and his family have lived there many years. I had to get past … what to call it … a 9th ward bias, maybe. I had to get past his being less than literate. I had to get past his shaky use of what is supposed to be traditional baseball manuvres, because he thinks he’s using traditional on-diamond wisdom, but he has no sense of either timing or personnel likely to implement those old school moves. I didn’t think I had to get past his Royals academy fundamentals schooling, but now think it’s like a neon sign on a cheap motel. You know, the “deluxe accommodations” in lights and a fleabag once you check in. His report card for helping Eric Chavez et al with positioning, footwork is looking like a one time hit. Like a movie that sets weekend attendance records on pre-release publicity, but nobody attends after reviews nor buys the DVD afterward. And it’s what, six years ago?

Wash is undoubtedly a good guy, both in baseball and human terms. But dammit, he can’t unmuddle all that diamond data he has stored, at least not in a usable format. Adam covered the importance of pitching oversight and tactical use, so no repeat or redundant stuff is needed. I’m just thinking I’ve figured out why it all “is”. The man can’t choose the right bits from all that game knowledge he’s acquired. Maybe it is time to cut ties. And maybe I’m just wrong.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Sep 21, 2008 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well put

a lieutenant pushed into a captain’s role.

Don't you know it's gonna be alright?

by t ball on Sep 21, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peter Principle

You said it yourself.

He’s a 3rd base coach.

It would be the correct move, but the politically incorrect.

Did Ben survive the hurricane?

by inactive lsb user on Sep 20, 2008 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

well put.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Sep 20, 2008 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd agree

I think JD has made some horrible decisions, but I’d like to see him stay. Mainly because I think he is sharp and talented and has learned and will continue to learn and improve at his craft.

I think Wash has made some horrible decisions, and I’d like to see him gone.This is because I don’t think he is very smart, and I think he will continue to make the same stupid mistakes for as long as he is the manager.

"So he tore it up in AA. Yippee. ...Max Ramirez be damned." - bigsteve

by tricer on Sep 20, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

-1

"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno

by Longhorn on Sep 20, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm tired of seeing

his wafer body sit on that bench and look content with getting our ass kicked night in a night out, mainly because he is a dumbass. What he did tonight, rather it be April 29th, June 3 or September 30 is down right fucking stupid. The whole Jamey Wright fiasco the past month, continuing to use Laird everyday (when he clearly said that he would split time with Tea and Laird, and before that Salty and Laird), and the horrific in-game decisions (pinch hitting, bunting, stealing, etc) has absolutely sealed his fate in my mind. He has to go if this team is going to go anywhere. He simply can not lead a team to the playoffs with his dunderhead moves.

by TxStCa on Sep 20, 2008 1:02 AM CDT reply actions  

I'll take it a step further...

I don’t want to see Wright pitch again for the Rangers period. Yes he did pretty good ‘til August, but even then I didn’t have much faith in him. He simply walks too many guys and can implode at any time. I really don’t want to see him in the ’pen next year.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 20, 2008 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

This chicken

may need to cross the road…

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Sep 20, 2008 11:02 AM CDT reply actions  

wright

im just not sure why they continue to use him. it seems pretty obvious he’s suffering from overuse given how badly he’s been down the stretch. what does it hurt to just shut him down the rest of the way

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Sep 20, 2008 11:12 AM CDT reply actions  

he has been used, possibly overused

but I think what he is suffering from is being a sucky pitcher, same as he’s been his whole career.

"So he tore it up in AA. Yippee. ...Max Ramirez be damned." - bigsteve

by tricer on Sep 20, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep...

as recent as ‘05 and ’06 he threw 171 and 156 IP. Now granted that was as a starter and pitching 80 innings as a reliever may put as much stress on your arm as 160 as a starter, but still, he shouldn’t be wearing down this badly

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 20, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Muscle memory

Wash uses Wright the same way I (fail) reach for my cell phone. A built in reaction. See, I got a new phone about a year ago. My old one was candy bar style, so I pulled it from the holster straight to my ear. The new one is a flip phone style. At times, with no thought beforehand, I pull it from it’s holster strainght to my ear. Doesn’t work. It ain’t the same phone. The old one wore out. Wright wore out.

Muscle memory.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Sep 20, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I get your good point Sir.

I imagine that you Mr. Coffin put a lot more thought into reaching for your cell phone than Wash does into using his bullpen.

Steal Home R.I.P. 9/10/08

by LAMuscleFag on Sep 20, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

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