New Politics Discussion
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT
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The last political "fan post" has been replied to over a thousand times, so it was only a matter of time before a new one came up anyway. Don't yell at me for posting this.
If I may suggest avoiding certain topics when possible:
1. Experience as it applies to either Obama or Palin. Unless someone has something new to say, it seems to me it's been beaten to death.
2. Palin as a grandma-to-be, or at least attacks on that. I'd think that commenting on news coverage of it is cool, but no "drunken slut" posts.
3. Unions and their alleged role in the downfall of the Big Three automakers.
4. Evolution, Creationism, Intelligent Design.
I'd like to see a discussion that had no one or two word posts. I'd like like to see a thoughtful discussion focused on real policy instead of wedge issues.
Of course the Republican National Convention is cranking up as I type, so that would be good to talk about. I'm not particularly fond of the current speech (is this St Paul's mayor?). He just said they'd paint the Mississippi river "John McCain red" from St. Paul to the Gulf. I'm not sure that's very good imagery, given McCain's hawkish leanings.
Anyway, so here's a new political discussion if you want.
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In regards to the Palin situation (her daughter),
I think Obama said it best in that this shouldn’t be what politics is based on in this election. Teen pregnancy is somewhat of a problem in the country and the best that can be done by the media is to give the family privacy.
Also, I was watching ABC News last night, and Steponopolis was on there and he was talking to some past strategists, and they were saying that in the beginning, most of the Rep delegates were praising McCain for selecting Palin, but now, some have the mindset of “What was he thinking??” Its just something interesting to think about….
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
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by hinduplaya on Sep 2, 2008 7:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
abc guys
throwing out blind assertions, again…who are these people with that ‘mindset’?
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they didnt exactly reveal that
I guess they couldnt reveal the certain delegates because of the problems it would create within the party, but still pretty interesting if it is true.
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by hinduplaya on Sep 2, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many posts did the last one get to?
i gave up b/c it was retarded to load and it turned to the discussion of evolution which i find to be insulting to my intelligence to listen to people belittle. and i dont wanna get into it, so save your energy.
there were some interesting discussions though before it got to 750+ posts and with the ’Pub Convention goin on it figures another was bound to show up.
so here’s my Question:
What’s your opinion of Joe Lieberman? He is speaking at the convention tonight so i figured id ask b/c democrats are familiar with him and now he seems to be lining up with republicans. What do you think of the guy?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lieberman
It would’ve been a disaster if McCain picked him. It may have picked up some independents, but no Democrats and a lot of Republicans wouldn’t have been on board with it.
As a Democrat, I don’t like the way he lost his party primary and then ran as an independent, so that pretty much soured me on him for good. Don’t like his stance on Iraq. Don’t like the fact that he would speak at Republican National Convention. If the Democrats didn’t need him they’d kick him out of the caucus for sure.
I’d say he’s getting ready to switch parties but he still votes with the Democrats on social stuff.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
from an ideological standpoint I would have preferred Lieberman, however that selection would not have united and fired up the Republican base. I don’t think a McCain-Lieberman ticket had a chance to win. Bottom line, a lot of hardcore conservatives that perhaps were put off by McCain’s moderate views will be back in the thick of things given Palin’s very conservative positions and are more likely to come out in big numbers on election day and vote.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re:
dems release Sarah Palin’s SSN and home addresses.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
source?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Democrats_Release_Sarah_Palin_s_Social_Security_Number
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leaked Opposition Research
It’s not at all uncommon for campaigns to have that kind of information on their opponents and then some. I think it’s important to say that this came from the state party apparatus in Alaska, and is wholly inconsistent with how the Obama campaign has run things to this point. There’s no political advantage to be gained from it anyway. All you can get is blowback. I think it’s a safe assumption that one or two idiots decided to do this on their own.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree ...
That Obama has been handling the Palin situation (regarding her family) perfectly…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
he doesn’t have to attack her because the liberal media does it for him….Not his fault the media is liberal. Works out perfect for him as long as he doesn’t say anything.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get so tired of republicans using
the term ‘liberal media.’ It so easy, so pat and so dismissive. What an easy way to discount anything that’s reported by saying it’s coming from the ‘liberal media.’ Sure the NYT has a liberal bent just like Fox and the Wall Street Journal have a conservative one. Try forming an argument for a change. Are you saying that Republicans don’t have attack mechanisms at their disposal? Tell the John McCain in South Carolina in 2000 that.
by jcAustin on Sep 2, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
first off
if you deny that the media is liberal I dont want to bother talking with you. Second off all I stated was that the liberal media allows obama to not attack her while the media does it for her. Do you actually disagree with taht statement? You’re talking about attack mechanisms by the Republicans…I have no idea what you’re talking about. I made a simple statement and you’re talking about something entirely different.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"liberal" media
is a very limited way of looking at it. I think newspapers are mostly liberal, but tv is more balanced. Radio is downright conservative.
I don’t see the media attacking Palin at all. Do you expect them not to report this stuff? Was the media going light on Obama when all they talked about for a couple weeks was the not-so-reverend J. Wright?
The liberal media label is an outdated half truth.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 2, 2008 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
out of curiosity.....
which of the major anchors(Brian Williams, Brokaw, Couric, etc) do you think might vote for McCain?
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by red shoe ranger on Sep 2, 2008 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No idea.
I don’t watch news show very often. I read most of my news online at various sites and flip around the radio a lot when I’m in the car. I don’t even know who Brian Williams is.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you're out of your element Donnie!
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, not really
I’ve been following the news for 30 years, since before middle school. I’ve seen plenty of tv news shows. I still watch sometimes, but I really don’t pay much attention to the anchors’ names unless they seem really obnoxious. And since I also read a lot online bias isn’t hard to spot. I get my news from many sources and read op eds from both sides of the aisle.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And who in the hell
is Donnie?
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Lebowski reference, I'm thinking
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Sep 3, 2008 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not entirely different....
Do you think Bush had to do anything but sit back and watch when the Swift-boaters attacked Kerry? Do you deny that Fox News and all Rupert Murdoch owned media is Conservative? If so I don’t want to bother talking to you either. All I’m saying is it’s easy to say the ‘media’ is liberal, it’s totally unprovable because it depends on your point of view, and every time a conservative says that little pat phrase I just shut down.
by jcAustin on Sep 3, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who has attacked her because of the family thing?
would like to see a link to this
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Sep 2, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh
yeah, that’s a respectable news source. Is this the bias you spoke of? I hope you’re joking. Supermarket checkout fodder just doesn’t count for much and probably isn’t being counted on by the McCain campaign to sway Hilary supporters.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a joke....
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummm
you do know the guy who owns that mag is a big time contributor to Obama, right?
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he is
the liberals control all media.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
atleast you aknowledge this.
that’s good.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lame.
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
by ivysafety39 on Sep 3, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Magazines don't normally go to press this quickly
It doesn’t look like a daily and I don’t even think a weekly would have that yet. Where did you get it?
by Black Francis on Sep 3, 2008 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Us Weekly.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 3, 2008 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reputable rag that one.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Sep 3, 2008 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Real...
CNN – John Roberts
“The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child.”
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2008/08/29/cnn-s-john-roberts-palin-might-neglect-her-disabled-infant
Washington Post – Sally Quinn
“Is she prepared for the all-consuming nature of the job? She is the mother of five children, one of them a four-month-old with Down Syndrome. Her first priority has to be her children. When the phone rings at three in the morning and one of her children is really sick what choice will she make?”
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/sally_quinn/2008/08/sarah_polin.html
Good Morning America – Bill Weir
“Adding to the brutality of a national campaign, the Palin family also has an infant with special needs. What leads you, the Senator, and the Governor to believe that one won’t affect the other in the next couple of months?”
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2008/08/30/abc-anchor-impugns-sarah-palin-neglectful-mother
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
You are exaggerating with “attacked”. None of those are vicious statements, but genuine points that are being raised. Do I agree with all of them? Not particularly, but then again I don’t have to churn out article after article on the same four subjects.
Old war wound. Acts up around morons.
by TheBZA on Sep 3, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see this as much different
as the circus that surrounded Obama and Rev Wright.
The media isn’t particularly biased, they just want to go 24/7 with any story they think has legs, for ratings and money. Gotta fill the column inches and burn the segments somehow.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
"JD is a great GM if you ignore the giving away pitching and handing out horrible contract stuff."-Tricer
by DJCahill on Sep 3, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding?
These people are questioning her leadership skills because she has children. Why don’t we ever hear that about male candidates? It’s a pathetic double-standard that the liberal media is resorting to. It’s embarrassing.
This isn’t anything like Rev Wright at all. Are you joking or serious about that? I honesty hope you’re joking.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I thought Edwards was showing horrible judgment by running for President when his wife had cancer and he had little children at home.
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who was the last Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate
to have a newborn? Granted, its probably her grandkid, but if they are gonna go with the story that its her kid, its open for speculation.
Believe it or not, its kind of a new deal, and kind of newsworthy.
There is already reason to question her parenting, with her apparently out of control teenager.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
"JD is a great GM if you ignore the giving away pitching and handing out horrible contract stuff."-Tricer
by DJCahill on Sep 3, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Granted, its probably her grandkid"
We don’t want or need any of your Dailykos liberal bullshit around here.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
amen to that
its a terrible day when that sewage cooked up over at Daily Kooks has begun to spread to other parts of the interweb.
how fucking retarded do you have to be to cook up a conspiracy theory that her newborn son is actually her daughter’s child and she’s covering up for her. Seriously? So its just a vast right wing conspiracy that managed to pay off the doctors and forge a birth certificate and fake her pregnancy at the National Governor’s Association meeting.
You lose all credibility, not that you had any to begin with, when you come spouting garbage conspiracy theories like that. What a fucking nut you are.
Seriously..DJCahill… get off your knees and take Keith Olberman’s meat out of your mouth.
by 6th street on Sep 3, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wondering
Why do politics make you so angry?
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its not politics
that make me angry. its the continuous revelation that there exist people in this world that are incapable of logical and rational thought.
seriously, to think that humankind has sunk to such a level that there are individuals that are unable to distinguish between delusion and reality is sadly frustrating.
i dont mind opposing viewpoints. I gladly welcome dialogue from both sides, liberal or conservative. but extremism on either side, especially to the point of complete and utter fantasy for the pure purpose of propaganda, is despicable and should be derided as such whenever present.
by 6th street on Sep 3, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Why does it affect you at all?
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
id argue
that it affects us all. extremism is good for no one. extremist viewpoints are not founded on rational thought. the idea that my daily life can be affected, through actions taken by the federal government, based irrational thoughts is frightening to me.
if someone’s delusional propaganda, such as that of the Kos’ cooked up idea regarding Mrs. Palin’s newborn son, were to potentially have a serious impact on the election, leading to the election of one candidate over another, Id argue that my life could be very much affected.
by 6th street on Sep 3, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Explain how this is comparable to Rev Wright
at all?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely unacceptable
Your comment, “Granted, its probably her grandkid, but if they are gonna go with the story that its her kid, its open for speculation.” Falls off the scale of acceptability IMO. That horrible lie demeans parents everywhere and should NOT be open for speculation.
I believe that hate filled lie about Palin is what really gets decent people upset about the media coverage of her to date.
by Bigfan16 on Sep 4, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rev Wright
was not covered by abc, cbs, nbc, msnbc…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were you not paying attention?
Probably not.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
"JD is a great GM if you ignore the giving away pitching and handing out horrible contract stuff."-Tricer
by DJCahill on Sep 3, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
where you? I’m guessing you were watching only fox news…because it was not covered on all the networks.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it was.
The talked about Wright on ABC, NBC, CBS, and even CNN, you dolt.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
"JD is a great GM if you ignore the giving away pitching and handing out horrible contract stuff."-Tricer
by DJCahill on Sep 3, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
you really said this..
Granted, its probably her grandkid, but if they are gonna go with the story that its her kid, its open for speculation.
Well, atleast you know that you are one of those far left extremists.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
he’s nuttier than bat shit. he’s one of the Daily Kooks army. just a mouthpiece for the spread of Markos’ delusions
by 6th street on Sep 3, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely not in the way they’re covering Gov. Palin.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong.
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
by ivysafety39 on Sep 3, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
you’re completely blinded by your partisanship. Even National Public Radio talked about Wright endlessly, and their shows bleed granola.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bleed Granola???
What the fuck are you talking about? I’ll grant you that they slant to the left but they’re one of the few media outfits that take journalism seriously, and will give time to the other side.
by Black Francis on Sep 3, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should have said
“and most conservatives accuse them of bleeding granola.”
I’ve been listening to their convention coverage on the way home some nights since I usually work until 8 or 9, and I often catch a bit of news in the morning on the way to work and flip over to CBS radio sometimes. Both seem fair to me.
I think the only major media networks you can really say have much bias are Fox and MSNBC.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh brother ...
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=4745985
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24371963#24374092
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24371963#24374093
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4053980n%3fsource=search_video
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=3942740n%3fsource=search_video
by robert_d_wilfong on Sep 3, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I haven't paid much attention to these threads...
When did the Union/Big Three discussion come up?
by jcir454 on Sep 2, 2008 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that
was in the Obama-Biden thread.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 2, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite
I found the discussion buried in miles’ last fanpost.
by jcir454 on Sep 2, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how that discussion turned that way is beyond me...
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Palin
The Dems, woman libs and far left are afraid of a strong, independent, conservative woman. This election could be won or lost on the speech she give tomorrow night.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Sep 2, 2008 8:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm?
Why would anybody be “afraid” of that?
Also, how are you so sure she’s any of those things?
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so sure she is independent, strong, conservative?
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Sep 2, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
So far the biggest trump card is that she didn’t abort a baby who’s destined to have an exceedingly difficult and probably terrible life. I’m not sure what that makes someone, or what it qualifies her for.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you do research on candidates
or wait to hear their views on the issues via television?
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Where did I say anything about her “issues”? I know you think you’re hot political shit, but you’re not the only person in the world enlightened enough to read about this.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
it was just a simple question. how hard is it to answer that…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
Really watch t.v. for anything.
Satisfied?
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...destined to have an exceedingly difficult and probably terrible life
What?
Sure many teen pregnancies lead to problems for the child… but in this case the kid will be the grandchild of at minimum the governor of Alaska and possibly the vice president. I think with that support system even if her daughter didn’t get married the child will have a nice life.
That’s not to say that teen pregnancies are a good thing, but let’s just be realistic.
by TRanger on Sep 2, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It?
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Sep 2, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have
To personalize my pronouns.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he or she
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
definately 1 of those 2.
you are correct.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Palin's baby...
not the teenagers.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe...
…he was talking about Sarah Palin’s baby, the one she had after she was 40 and he/she ended up with Down’s Syndrome (there’s a greater risk for Downs when “older” women have children).
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes her a mother
who loves her child unconditionally.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Sep 2, 2008 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I feel pretty
safe in saying that Palin loves all her children unconditionally.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Sep 2, 2008 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
Why? Because she didn’t abort them? I’m not saying she does or doesn’t, but how do you know?
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go chase your own tail, liberal puke.
Palin loves all her children, end of story.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Sep 2, 2008 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
every time
I visit LSB you’ve found a new chew toy……or are recycling an old one.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 2, 2008 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
“she didn’t abort a baby who’s destined to have an exceedingly difficult and probably terrible life.”
Why would you assume that his life would probably be terrible?
by Randy Richardson on Sep 2, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has
Down’s syndrome, a mother who’s running to become even busier than she already is, and a father who races snowmobiles. You really think that’s the life of luxury?
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said he would live a life of luxury . . .
just asked why you would assume that a child with Down Syndrome would automatically “probably (have a) terrible life”. Feel free to answer the question.
by Randy Richardson on Sep 2, 2008 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe I did.
Down’s syndrome is a terrible condition, in case you weren’t aware. I can only imagine how one gets through life with that condition with “normal” parents (i.e. ones who are there to provide you with the tremendous amount of attention required).
It makes me shudder to think of the selfishness of a woman who would not only have a baby in her forties, when risks for conditions such as Down’s syndrome multiply tremendously, but then abandon the baby to an infanthood of “half-mothering”, where she campaigns day and night, and if she gets what she wants, works a long-hour, high-stress job, which doubtless pays less than she could get elsewhere.
Yes, I’ve met and dealt with several people who have Down’s syndrome. Some of them were better than others, but it’s a heartbreaking condition, I assure you. Nobody I’ve met is “happy”. It’s a constant struggle, and it requires the constant attention and care of loving parents. I fail to see how this baby will get that.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you clearly
have something personal against Palin. That’s fine, I don’t really care what you think about her. Down Syndrome is a terrible condition, but it doesn’t follow that people with Down Syndrome lead terrible lives. It’s difficult, it’s a challenge, and it’s not “normal” or “perfect”, but I would never call their lives universally terrible.
by Randy Richardson on Sep 3, 2008 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
Have anything “personal” against her. Don’t know her at all. I just know what she’s doing, and I have some idea of the needs of children with Down’s syndrome.
I never called their lives universally terrible, but I feel safe saying that it’s probable.
It seems you have nothing to base your opinion off of except your opposition to me. That’s pretty weak.
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
Well, that’s my point, you shouldn’t feel safe saying their lives are “terrible” and that they are not “happy”. Besides your anecdotal evidence, there is nothing out there that suggests they lead “terrible” lives. Anyway, how exactly do you measure terrible and happy? Compared to you? Compared to a slum child in India?
by Randy Richardson on Sep 3, 2008 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Compared to
People without Down’s syndrome. Your relativism falls very flat here.
I’m not sure I see the difference between the agony of needing 24 hour care just to stave off death, and 24 hour struggle to feed yourself in a less-developed country.
What’s more, you’ve missed a key point I made regarding this specific baby, not a universal proclamation of all children with the condition.
I said THIS baby is going to have it bad because of the tragic circumstances of his family.
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should
limit yourself to two sentences or less…..
anymore than that and your fraudulent intellectualism becomes painfully obvious.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I’ve never claimed to be an intellectual, so I’ll stick with my method. Thanks, though.
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually prefer him
when he posts more than two sentences.
Then, I can try and understand where he’s coming from.
But then again, I like to listen to other’s people opinions and try to understand them.
Especially, if they have some depth as Brett seems to offer here. I don’t necessarily agree with his opinion, but it’s nice to at least discuss it.
It’s better than the utter banality of going “You’re stupid”, “No, you’re stupid”, “No, YOU’RE stupid!”
R
by Requiem on Sep 4, 2008 6:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Tragic circumstances of his family?"
It’s not like he fucked up Bill Richardson’s bid to be the Democratic nominee.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Sep 3, 2008 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
what are you referring to when you say “the agony of needing 24 hour care just to stave off death”?
Also, I fail to see anything tragic about the circumstances of this family.
by Randy Richardson on Sep 3, 2008 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then I
Feel sorry for you. The mother is going to be away from home for large amounts of time. If she wins, she’ll be all across the country and all across the world. That’s pretty sad to me.
Still, you’ve produced nothing to prove your point. Doubt does not make a valid claim by itself.
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you
believe that those with Down Syndrome wish to have never been born?
On a broader scale do most people leading downtrodden lives wish they had not been born?
Have you ever heard an adult who grew up in “tragic” circumstances declare that they wish their mother would have aborted them?
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
On your first question, I’ve heard it myself. It’s admittedly anecdotal evidence, but there’s your answer.
To quickly dismiss with the rest of your gibberish, “downtrodden” is not the same thing as “severally disabled”. We’re not talking about poverty or race issues here.
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
says
the guy who went to Texas Tech
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by willamos2 on Sep 3, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Are you able to read?
I just said that I’m not an intellectual because I misspelled a basic word.
Jesus.
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
How pathetic is the school swipe? Don’t you have anything better than that?
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are they incappable
of suicide? It seems you are suggesting that it would be warranted given their condition.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I don't feel
Quite so bad after that little gem.
Anyway, the sad truth is many are incapable of forming those kinds of thoughts. Some have a lot of functionability and are capable of a surprising amount, but I’ve suggested nowhere that I think suicide is the best solution. The best solution is good and dedicated parenting.
I know you love to hound me, but you should try a little understanding in this case.
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
harsh as it
sounded it was a serious question. There are many things that I see others have to go through that I think to myself I would never have the strength for….yet it seems if the only alternative is death most choose life(even if us “healthy” ones wouldn’t consider what they are doing as "living").
……and I do love to hound you, although “the worst poster here” bit still kinda hurts.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it
Makes you feel any better, you’ve moved up on my depth chart.
I’ve got mai holding the clipboard now.
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't come
across any of mai’s work……I’ll be on the lookout.
He/she better at least be a faux intellect with a spare degree from a state school with the gravitas to take on the uber-intelligent lawyers on this board.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The
Faux-intellect label. I don’t get it. Care to explain?
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was
“characterizing” my role in these arguments…..me the faux intellect with the spare degree…..you the uber-intelligent lawyer.
Bottom line: I’m generally in over my head from the get go, but I sincerely enjoy the sport of arguing and so I engage in it even when it may be to my detriment.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
I thought you were talking about me.
I have a spare degree from a state school, too. Wait—didn’t you go to Tech? We should be embracing, not bickering.
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TT
of course I always grew up wanting to go to UT but followed my highschool girlfriend to school…..always a smart move.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I’m in law school myself, so does that give me any additional gravitas to take on the “uber-intelligent” lawyers?
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half the time
I think you’re just arguing to practice being a lawyer. The other half I think your argumentative nature makes you a natural lawyer.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem...
is that arguing doesn’t make one an effective lawyer, it’s just makes you a pain the ass. Lawyers don’t want to work with people who are contentious pricks.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 3, 2008 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I find this forum to be a natural place for debate. I certainly don’t start arguments all the time in “real life”. In fact, I don’t even talk very much.
In any case, I don’t “practice” anything here. I just have fun, which is something I think a lot of people could stand to have more of on here.
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pLuS
OnE
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
coach is proud of you.....
last one to leave, first to arrive….
Is 4 hours of sleep the norm?
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much
Though I think it was more like 5. Lots of work to be done and time to be wasted.
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't feel sorry for me.
I think as you get older you’ll find that you’ll judge people less for the personal and life decisions that they make. It’s her life, not yours.
As to proving my point, I’m not trying to prove anything. Although, I dare you to go into a maternity ward in some hospital and tell the parents of a newborn with Down Syndrome that his/her life will “probably be terrible.” Once again, their lives are difficult and not full of the opportunities that you may have in life, but “terrible” was a very poor choice of words.
by Randy Richardson on Sep 3, 2008 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
No, it wasn’t. It seems that with your vast amount of life experience, you’ve still got a lot to learn yourself. It IS a terrible condition, and I don’t think I need to shelter some hypothetical mother from my opinion.
But of course, there are a lot of aggressive actions I wouldn’t take to get my opinion heard. That’s a silly thing to say.
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand about this...
We don’t know what the circumstances of the conception were. She very possibly had an unplanned pregnancy in her 40’s leading to a child with Down’s syndrome. But even still, I don’t think that to say that someone with a handicap is likely to lead a “terrible” life is a bit much.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 3, 2008 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ask nate silver
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-compassionate-conservative.html
about her views…
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by knockoutking on Sep 2, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a way to be less partisan.
Try to put the shoe on the other foot once in a while. If you find out a piece of information, or hear a quote, or read about a policy proposal, from one candidate — pretend it came from the other candidate and check your baggage.
We are all guilty of confirmation bias to a certain degree and react differently based solely on party affiliation. Taking my suggestion gives you a quick way to see if you’re merely reacting out of bias or if you really feel that way about the issue. This requires you to be brutally honest with yourself, difficult.
Example: If one of the candidates gave a speech tomorrow saying they would have the troops out of Iraq by 2010, would you feel differently if it came from McCain instead of Obama?
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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 2, 2008 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you addressing me or the group?
I do try to do that. Being a PSCI major at my school with my professors, I absolutely had to look at things from all possible angles. It was good training. When I worked on the Bradley campaign part of my job for a time was opposition research, and part of it was actually to try to dig up stuff on Bradley himself in case Gore or Bush got to it first. When you work on the losing end of a primary run, it’s a pretty big wake up call. You get disillusioned with your own party and the whole process in general. It would force any intelligent person’s mind wide open if it wasn’t already.
That said, there is a time for partisan politics. There’s strength in numbers, after all. However I wish there weren’t so many one-liners and vitriol in general.
I like to believe I can disagree with anyone and be civil, and I like to believe that other people can and will, too.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where do/did you go to school?
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Sep 2, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
North Texas
Some of the professors in my department were really amazing. I had two favorites who were complete opposites: one hardcore Democratic activist, and a Libertarian who used to work the Mediterranean desk at CIA, oddly enough.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to say
I also spent a quarter at Cal State LA, and it wasn’t all that enlightening.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: UNT
I went to UNT and took a PSCI class as an elective. Political Theory from Socrates to Machievelli if I remember correctly. I had to take it twice (the first time I failed it and other classes due to personal reasons) and I had two extremely different professors for the same class.
The first one (Berry?) was extremely confrontational who really dug Tocqueville and the second was your typical absent minded professor who really loved the books he was teaching. I learned a lot more the second time because I responded better to the absent minded professor better then the other guy.
From what I could tell, there was a pretty good amount of diversity amongst the faculty, at least in the PSCI department.
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by DerekSTheRed on Sep 3, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really wish Bradley had won that primary
I probably would have voted for him. I’ve seen him speak in person…went in skeptical and came out a believer. I have and read “The New American Story”…pretty good read.
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by willamos2 on Sep 2, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had a lot of money
…but I guess when you hire people like me you’re begging to lose an election.
In reality he was running against an incumbent and most (not all) of the Democratic establishment lined up behind Gore. Bradley’s a very good man, though, and would’ve made a much better President than either Gore or Bush, in my opinion. Not particularly telegenic, not an energetic speaker…lots of stuff went against him. Funny thing is, money was never a problem in that campaign, even when running against an anointed successor. I guess there were more than a few people who liked him.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree wholeheartedly about Gore/Bush
Bradley just came across as if he understood the issues and solutions that were out there, rather than memorizing angles around the issues.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on Sep 2, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not addressing you, BF
Just commenting on how easy it is to tell someone’s leanings from how they react/defend/attack an issue. The right wing nuts are saying Palin is the best thing since sliced bread, the lefty commies say she is less qualified than hurlerhurley, for example. The truth is usually somewhere in between.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
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by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think it's becoming more and more clear
that the mccain campaign didn’t research palin before choosing her, and really kind of blew it.
some points with no clear reason or order:
we know mccain picked her because she’s a woman. but why not somebody more qualified like elizabeth dole? even kay baily hutchison (though i guess she’s not pro-life enough).
i think as time goes by women will be more and more insulted by this pick.
he met her once.
he lost his best argument against obama. by picking her as VP he is saying that she’s ready to be president. if he died a month into his presidency, she is capable to be president. bullshit. obama has more experience than her, mccain can no longer bash obama.
obama’s campaign sent people to look at newspaper archives in alaska (not available online) the newspaper (or is it library) say that they are the only ones to do this. what does this mean? mccain didn’t look into her.
did he really know that her daughter is pregnant? palin preaches abstinence only education, did it work?
i hope that there isn’t a big push by conservatives, or hypocritical liberals to say that she has a daughter that needs her more than ever and a handicapped kid, she needs to stay at home.
this whole thing about her allegedly fireing her head of public safety for not doing her personal bidding and then citing executive priviledge in the face of subpeonas reeks of more of the same bushism.
let’s hope that the 20 year old DUI for her husband doesn’t get lotsa national attention, becuase that’s old and doesn’t matter.
biden will destroy her in the debate. the question i have about the debates is this: will he be seen as picking on an innocent weak woman? or if she’s strong will she be called a “bitch” like hillary was?
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
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by gossamer on Sep 2, 2008 8:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
where did you get this information from?
please don’t say you saw it on tv…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What information?
And most people have to rely on news sources of some kind. We can’t all be snoopy reporters.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
but watching and listening to bias news sources skews your opinion.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s just amazing how many facts are out there on these candidates. Too bad they are cherrypicked by the media for their personal agendas…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about that Google Chrome...
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't make sense.
Google is a search engine. It doesn’t have any information itself.
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by trza on Sep 2, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Google
only gives you unbiased results?
And you’re not smart enough to watch a tv report and take it with a grain of salt? Fox is right, MSNBC is left, watch either with a salt shaker.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
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by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stats don't lie
look it up, and quit getting brainwashed.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is brainwashed?
I have criticized both candidates and try to be objective. You’re just a shill.
And stats don’t lie? That’s patently ridiculous. Stats can be massaged to show just about anything.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
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by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of it
did we ever find out who miles cincy source was?
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by knockoutking on Sep 2, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what information
are you specifically asking about?
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
by gossamer on Sep 2, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with KBH
is that she is a bush loyalist, which really doesn’t help with McCain’s image as I’m not like this guy.
by cashman on Sep 2, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's that
…and supposedly she and McCain do not get along very well at all.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and evidently she wants to be be texas gov as well
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by knockoutking on Sep 2, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which she should be in line to get at the next term
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by hinduplaya on Sep 2, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yuuuup
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by knockoutking on Sep 2, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Abstinence only education...
No more or less effective than birth control education…
http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/abstinence_only_education_no_b.php
I don’t see the daughter’s pregnancy as particularly damaging.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the NY times reported today
that the mccain campaign folks arrived on thursday to for the final part of the vetting process. the announcement had to come friday morning. that doesnt sound very thorough to me. the whole thing felt rushed which i found surprising b/c both candidates had so long to narrow and vet their choices.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think
that running for, and winning, the Governors seat in Alaska was a vetting process?
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Sep 2, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Not on a national stage. Of course not.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
its nothing like the vetting process of an uncontested Senate seat……
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by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
And I know that wasn’t your intention.
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm
was intended……AND I was right.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prediction:
Sarah Eagleton steps aside within 2 weeks for Pawlenty. And McCain-Pawlenty get landslided in November.
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 8:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Now that’s a gutsy prediction! And these days a pretty obscure McGovern reference.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at this point...
…in comparison to all of the things that are coming to light, it would almost be a positive development if it were revealed that she underwent electroshock therapy. At least it would give the GOP a way out of this debacle they created by not vetting Palin. I almost feel sorry for them. Almost.
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
I still don’t really see anything terribly damaging, here.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really? hahahaha. ok
It has now been only three (THREE!!!) days since McCain nominated her to be his veep. In those scant 72 hours, it has been unearthed that she advocates Alaska seceding from the union, she is involved in an abuse of power scandal, she has only been a governor for 18 months, before that she was the part-time mayor of a 6,700 person town named Wasilla, while she was mayor of Wasilla she absolutely botched an eminent domain deal that ended up costing the town $1,375,000 more than it should have, she has Abramoff ties (wow, THAT just screams “reformer”, doesn’t it?), she doesn’t know what the Vice President actually does every day, her 17 year old daughter is now 5 months pregnant and is keeping the baby with the shotgunned father, she supported windfall taxes on oil companies before she was against them, she supports censoring library books, promoting creationism is one of her major passions, she knows nothing about the war in Iraq (hey, at least this is something she and McCain have in common), and she and her husband were cited by the state government for not operating their business within the law. If this is what has surfaced with the national spotlight on her and her family in just 3 short days, can you imagine what will be discovered over the course of the next 63?
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not much to really...
do a whole lot to the election.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this lack of a proper vetting...
…speaks directly to McCain’s inability to stray from his cavalier approach to politics.
He’s not a maverick, he’s a reckless gambler.
Whether or not it affects the outcome of the election is yet to be seen, but I’m of the opinion that the bounce you’re seeing in the polls today is a direct result of Palin’s nomination.
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we'll see...
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eagleton Reference
I don’t think what you posted above is enough, but like you say it’s only been a few days. Now if things get a lot worse then I think your Eagleton comparison might have legs.
The GOP argument against McGovern was that because he couldn’t even select a VP, there was no way he himself was qualified to be President.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that was just all around stupid.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
go ahead and dispute any of those items where I'm off-base
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
are you concerned that there is a presidential candidate with associations with radicals like Rev. Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Meeks?
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
since...
…you’re not going to dispute the facts about Palin, I’ll answer your question.
I’m concerned about his ties to Rezko. But nobody has proven that Obama got any sort of sweetheart deal. Obama paid market price for his portion of the land.
The Wright connections were tenuous and silly from the start—people don’t just leave a church because they don’t agree with their preachers.
And the Meeks tie is even less relevant than Wright.
The Ayers connection is tenuous at best as well. Obama met Ayers 30 years after Ayers’s bombings: http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/27300424.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUvDE7aL_V_BD77:DiiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
Their association is tenuous at best.
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?!
“The Wright connections were tenuous and silly from the start—people don’t just leave a church because they don’t agree with their preachers.”
Yes, they do.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obama could have gone two ways in the Rev Wright issue: He could have admitted that he wasn’t really active in the church and was only there because that is where influential black community activists meet. Or he could have renounced his affiliation with Wright.
He chose the later and that was probably the wiser move based on the primary polls at the time the issue surfaced.
by robert_d_wilfong on Sep 2, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't bother asking Longhorn
to refute anything. He can only parrot GOP bullet points, not actually engage in a reasoned debate.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
mr. subjectivity over here who has no idea what he’s talking about.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're still waiting
For anything of substance from you. I’d love to see you pick an issue and write out your specific opinion on it.
Old war wound. Acts up around morons.
by TheBZA on Sep 3, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He only has one opinion
Anyone who disagrees with him is an idiot.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
obama?
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Sep 3, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rants don't count
If he as a particular issue with Obama’s platform,with a well thought out argument against it, sure. I’d be thrilled to hear it.
Old war wound. Acts up around morons.
by TheBZA on Sep 3, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not hard really
weak against defense, no experience, pro-abortion, associations with known terrorists and the biggest morons in the world…
i mean, that’s fact. if you want explanations on what each issue is, look it up…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lame, pathetic
You just make a list as if that is a well thought out argument. You really are incapable of presenting details on WHY you think he’s weak against defense (should he be strong against defense?), for example.
What specific Obama policy proposals regarding defense are you against? He wants to give veterans a lot more help when they return home, is that bad? He wants to reenergize the Afghanistan effort, is that bad? He wants to pull the troops out of Iraq — which is in accordance with the Iraqi government’s request, is that bad?
What specific policy proposals of McCain’s do you support and why?
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think some things to consider are
that even knowing what he knows now, he still wouldn’t support the surge. That’s something that bothers me a lot.
I also don’t think his stance in regard to diplomacy with Iran is a good one. I don’t think he should add legitimacy to a leader who calls for the destruction of Israel, an American ally.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would stand and applaud
if Longhorn would post something like that just once. Imagine, an entire paragraph without once resorting to demagoguery.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think this is a one-sided thing
though, I think it works both ways. As a Republican I encounter it a lot.
As a Republican I have noticed that a lot of people just don’t know anything about politics yet still hold political views. On several occasions I have had discussions with people who claim to dislike Bush and they usually resort to saying “he’s stupid”. I understand why people would dislike Bush but I find it amazing just to listen to people sometimes who have opinions and can’t back them up at all. It makes them look so ridiculous.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree wholeheartedly
I pick on Longhorn just because he rarely posts more than 10 words no matter the topic, yet he is so insistent that he’s right. He’s like a doll with a string, no matter what you say, the doll only has a few short phrases to reply.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude,
Don’t feed the trolls.
I started ignoring Longhorn (like Sharky) back when we were on the ESPN boards.
I’ve never seen him post one coherent argument that defends his point.
And there have been times I agreed with him, but he STILL didn’t post any substantive reason or support for his arguments.
The essence of a troll.
R
by Requiem on Sep 4, 2008 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not smart enough
to be a troll. He’s just lame.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 4, 2008 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when
have trolls been smart?
Have they evolved since I last talked to one?
by Requiem on Sep 4, 2008 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
though
he supported a surge in Afghanistan long ago, when McCain was already calling that war a major success. Obama has consistently called Iraq a distraction in the real war on terror, since his famous speech in 2002. he has said he would go into Pakistan to go after bin laden. and whether you think that’s a good idea or not, i can’t see how he could be considered “soft” on defense. there’re only so many resources to go around.
by SteveP on Sep 3, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you pro-life? Why is his defense policy weak?
I know the issues, I’m trying to get you to elaborate on your opinion. You’re no better than Sharky, spouting off repetitive one liners and refuse to follow up on genuine inquiries.
Old war wound. Acts up around morons.
by TheBZA on Sep 3, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you forgot her pork-barrel connnection
in which as mayor of Wasila pop. around 5000, she hired a lobbying group to win $26M in federal funds for the town.
what kinda big government low tax shit is that?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and how she was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
…those pale in comparison to the other things. And my fingers were getting tired from all the typing. :)
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GOP a way out of this debacle they created by not vetting Palin
Are you paid by the Dems or do you just pass along their talking points for free?
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Sep 2, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am an ardent Obama supporter...
…who sees things for what they are. I’m clearly not objective, but I’m not stating anything that isn’t clear as day in front of everyone to see for themselves.
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you were truly objective
you would see that your statement is very contradictory.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Sep 2, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
point out where I'm spinning anything in the above paragraph with links...
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a few things
You are mixing in commentary with your links yet you claim to be objective. Do you believe everything you read? Really, the Huffington Post. It would be nice if Obama had undergone the same scrutiny as Palin.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Sep 2, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
you think obama has undergone less scrutiny?
i guess you believe in a burbank moon landing as well
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Sep 2, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I don’t get that argument at all.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you are
saying that the press is not biased towards Obama?
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Sep 2, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the inference above is that
Obama was vetted by the Clinton machine which is very similar in its tactics to the Republican machine.
by robert_d_wilfong on Sep 2, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is the press biased
towards Obama? The press talked about Wright for weeks, and dutifully reported Michelle Obama’s supposed lack of patriotism.
People need to stop pretending the media favors either candidate. Any dirt that comes out about either one is going to be breaking news on every news channel, newspaper website, political blog, and talk radio show. Every stupid detail gets analyzed to death by the ten million talking heads out there trying to shout each other down in favor of their own party.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HRC makes me puke every time I see her
but it was clear to me that she didn’t get a fair shake from the media during the primarys.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Sep 3, 2008 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sexism
in the coverage of both her and Palin amazes me. I think you could make a much better argument that the media treated Obama better than they did Clinton than you can for them treating Obama differently from McCain.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: "It would be nice if Obama had undergone the same scrutiny as Palin."
He’s been under some heavy-ass scrutiny since at least December or January. The heaviest.
Are you somehow unaware of this?
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Sep 3, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my whackjob inlaws
are always emailing me crap about how Obama is a Muslim intent on destroying the US, that his brith certificate is fake, and how he’s the anti Christ (my fav, by the way). you mean that kind of scrutiny?
by SteveP on Sep 3, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I get that
from my brother. At least a half dozen defamatory EMails a day on Obama.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
"JD is a great GM if you ignore the giving away pitching and handing out horrible contract stuff."-Tricer
by DJCahill on Sep 3, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its my father for me
Old war wound. Acts up around morons.
by TheBZA on Sep 3, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is that multiple news reports are supporting his claims
and even though he sounds like a democratic strategist, the news reports are numerous.
PS: Shouldnt All the Right WIngers Be Watching the RNC instead of arguing details with liberals? this is the moment of platforms being placed out for public consumption, for seeing the future party leaders. for seeing great moments in party history, not arguing (without merit or source) with opposition.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
…Invesco was ELECTRIC!
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 8:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Which one are you?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the Obama shirt
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which one is you, Moto?
Anyway, this whole “Obama makes my naughty parts go tingly” mystique is baffling to me.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of the reason
the bottom line is that it does. Now the question is, will all of these new individuals involved in politics (who support Obama) go and vote on election day? If so, the GOP might be in big trouble.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Last I checked, elections are essentially popularity contests. Whether that popularity is borne out of political agreement or simply fandom is largely irrelevant
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I think most of the time a lot of people hop onto a political bandwagon but don’t actually vote for them. I feel like this time might be different for Obama.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this race (before the Palin announcement)...
…in my opinion, was going to come down the ground game (advantage Obama), the youth vote and making sure they do just that (advantage Obama) and the debates (advantage McCain, unless his age/senility are apparent).
This hilarious VP pick just blew all that out of the water.
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the youth vote?
…that is if they actually show up.
since we never have before
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Sep 2, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of The Simpsons...
when Homer organized the political rally to legalize pot and they all forgot to vote.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did have...
a better showing in ’04, but you are correct they still have a ways to go.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 3, 2008 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is the VP pick hilarious?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Before Friday, if you could scour the country for a potential President, would you really have picked Palin?
I get wanting your side to win, but there’s just not much there on this pick.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I think there is a lot there with the pick.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Such as?
And would you really feel happy if she were President?
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Obama is the clear favorite right now
I don’t think adding someone like Romney would have done much for McCain. Won’t create that spark in the conservative base, a base which originally wasn’t that thrilled with McCain. Palin’s positions connects with the base. If the base doesn’t come out bigtime voting for Mccain on election I don’t think he has a chance. This gives him a chance in my opinion.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
Are you really giving enough credit to “the base”? Are they really so gullible as to believe that the VP has any substantive say on any of these issues, other than the slimmest of chances that her vote could break a tie that could get something done (not likely, given the way the Senate works.)?
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as some would say
so cheneys views didnt matter at all?
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Sep 2, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
The only thing he’s had an impact on are issues of process and procedure, which are, perhaps, more important.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's about
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for would I be happy if she were president?
I’m not sure because I don’t know enough about her but I’ll have an opinion on that in about 2-3 weeks. Do I think her resume is equitable with Obama’s? Absolutely. But until I hear her speak and debate I can’t say how I would feel about her as a president. We will find out soon though.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
What if you come to the conclusion that you’re not happy with her potentially being the President?
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then I won't be happy with the selection
obviously.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
resulting in?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Resulting in me
thinking that if I feel that way most Americans will feel that way and McCain won’t win.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
Still vote for/support McCain?
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think...
the VP pick is pretty shrewd. The pregnancy thing, for instance, doesn’t hurt Palin any more than Cheney’s gay daughter hurt him.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I thought it was an odd selection, but I agree.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by baseballismyboyfriend on Sep 2, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if she doesnt have the baggage it appears
it would be shrewed.
given how little people know about her though, every reporter on earth will be trying to find stuff about her, good or bad, every little detail. if she dated a hippy draft dodger as a 16 year old we will know about it, and if that process of digging dirt last for 2 months, its not good for mccain.
my only issue with criticizing the choice is what other decent options did they have? but then that approach doesnt win elections. for me there just wasnt a bunch of options and this was the result.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he were steadfastly going the female route...
…why not Kay Bailey or Olympia Snowe or Carly Fiorina or Meg Whitman or Christine Todd Whitman or Jodi Rell
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
none of them are as hot as Palin
except for KBH, and she wasn’t interested
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on Sep 2, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You find Kay Bailey hot??
Wow.
One man’s Bigfoot is another man’s Beyonce, I guess…
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Sep 3, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's kind of an inside joke
with a person who doesn’t even visit these boards. Probably shouldn’t have said anything, but I thought it’d be funny still.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on Sep 3, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plenty of women I think are hot, my friends look at me w/ horror
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Sep 3, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
she's a huge...
W supporter and didn’t want to be selected for VP because she didn’t wanna have to disagree with her leader…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
by ivysafety39 on Sep 3, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Picking a woman for VP
Does anyone really think deep down that if Palin was a man McCain makes the same pick? No, it would not have happened, no way. That said, I agree with Ben that the pick is pretty shrewd, and these things that have come out the last couple days are not going to hurt the campaign much, if at all.
For some reason it is not ok to criticize her. I think this is patronizing, but Biden or anyone else criticizing her too much will face a backlash. She is practically immune in the debate. If she makes a good speech tomorrow night she becomes an asset.
The religious right was not too excited about McCain, but he has pandered to them relentlessly for many months now, and this was the biggest bone he could have thrown them. It practically screams “I am so not a maverick, I am just the whore of the GOP base.”
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and does anyone
really think deep down that if Obama were a “white” man he would be so popular? and don’t tell me his “blackness” has been an obstacle in “white” America…
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could very well
be the case. That has a lot to do with his appeal and how that initial speech was received.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, of course not...
He would be popular still, not as popular though.
I suppose “Change” is a pretty good slogan for Obama then, huh?
by cmkelly29 on Sep 3, 2008 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sadly
experience has become a dirty word in politics. It is now more important to be “fresh” and “different”. Never mind that your speech could have been lifted from any democratic speech in the last 20 years. For a “change” candidate its amazing how he toes the party line.
So……McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time.
how often does Barack vote with his party? Dare I suggest MORE than 90%.(that is of course when he makes the time to vote)
If your interested in intellectual honesty I think its safe to say that McCain breaks with his party more often than Obama does his….(although t ball stated that he thinks Barack would be more bi-partisan?)
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If by "Change" he means
no more Bush type GOPers in the White House, that’s change enough for me.
by cmkelly29 on Sep 3, 2008 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
interestingly
no GOP’er was/is thought to hate Bush more than McCain.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Voting with him 90% of the way
I don’t care if he hates him or not, that’s just not acceptable.
by cmkelly29 on Sep 3, 2008 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize
That almost everything in the Senate is done by unanimous consent, right?
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obama probably votes 90% with Bush too
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahah what?
prove that, please
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 3, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't prove it
But the majority of the votes are in regard to silly things that don’t have anything to do with politics, like congratulating a team on winning the world series. So my point is that the 90% statistic is skewed or at least not an accurate representation of what is going on.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which Bush?
You’d be better off using some measure of voting liberal, I’m sure he scores high on that.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong, he just votes present!
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Sep 3, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
since when does Bush even get a vote in Congress?
did I miss some special legislation that gave the President the power to vote?
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on Sep 3, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may be wrong
but McCain definitely has a reputation of being pretty nasty sometimes, though I suppose you could say he is nasty to members of both parties and, therefore, bipartisan.
I’m very disappointed, though not really surprised, at how much both candidates have pandered to their bases.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats the
think with inexperienced candidates…..we are lest guessing how they will govern. They have no record to plow through in order to decipher how they would govern. Of course Bush’s record in Texas wasn’t really indicative of the kind of Pres he would become. As Texas Gov. he was seen as a uniter and one who could work with Dems and get things done.
I still like my candidates to have a track record……it means a lot more to me than “just words”, as it were…..
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, how old are you?
To answer your first question, obviously it has helped.
To answer your second assertion, you are either naive, stupid, or a racist to think that “blackness,” as you so crassly put it, does not remain an obstacle to a person of color in white america ( and why did you capitalize white? WTF does that even mean, white quotation mark america?)
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Sep 3, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
too bad our VP pick is a better candidate for pres than your Presidential pick.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah.
“Our” “Your”
You’re playing into that collectivist game quite nicely.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bah...give him a break
we all do that
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't.
I think it’s exceedingly silly and immature.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to Longhorn's world.
"The question of how we came to be is a philosophical one." - 4HIM
by Chase Irwin on Sep 2, 2008 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
reach arounds
for everyone…….. or just for bg?
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 2, 2008 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
Don’t you have any Ticket drops you can quote to accentuate your point a little bit?
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
um........
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 2, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 2, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 2, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 2, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 2, 2008 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 2, 2008 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and......
you’re done.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 2, 2008 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You
Could have done better. A good “I’m sorry, that’s it!” would have done. Now you’ve just cluttered up this thread even more.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I'm sorry, thats it!"
isn’t a Ticket drop and what my master wants…..he gets.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 2, 2008 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That
Absolutely is a Ticket drop, you dolt. Classic Norm. Get your shit together.
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhhh yessss
and then Norman hangs up the phone(ends the call, ringing tone) emphatically.
you win again…..
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that all you could come up with?
no wonder you’re like that.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you
talking to yourself? Still waiting for detailed, reasoned thought from you on anything. Pick a topic.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
same from you
other than copying and pasting the libs talking points…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, no.
You are doing well in glossing over anything negative I say about Obama while noticing any little thing I say negative about McCain.
I have listed my reservations about Obama several times here in the last week, including in replies to you. But you’re not interested in actual debate or actually talking about policies and issues. You’d rather just post “liberals suck” in 50 different ways.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude...
…definition of talking to a brick wall… longhorn is a great conservative… he doesn’t listen and attacks constantly…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
by ivysafety39 on Sep 3, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is this?
An example of informed debate? Taking the position that your “side” always takes the high road and the other “side” doesn’t? Come on…
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 3, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nothing to do...
…with my “side” vs his “side” or the high road…i’ve seen the same lame crap from conservatives and liberals alike… the bury your face in the sand tactic where you merely restate talking points and don’t have a give and take discussion… though i do tend to see more ardent arguements without constructive conversation coming from longhorn… which makes him a solid conservative since he’ll probably never disagree with his party… and though you deduced i mean all conservatives are that way, and thats my bad for being so nondescript… i was speaking more directly about longhorn’s lack of give and take in an arguement, and yes, i feel like he isn’t exactly taking the high ground… sorry to have hurt your feelings…
I blame it not on Ron Washington, but on society. Society is to blame. And Ron Washington. ~Ken Tremendous on Ron Washington sac bunting in the 11th vs LAA
by ivysafety39 on Sep 3, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i havent seen a lot of we and our and your in the politcal threads weve run
and when its happened its been called out.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe...
…because I’ve completely avoided political discussions on LSB until today (what the hell am I thinking?), little things like this seem petty
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moto
you’re discounting the Palin pick politically. The religious right is psyched that McCain threw them such a big bone. Think volunteers, phone banks and donations. This pick is odd, but it will help him in organizational ways.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a moderate Republican
who has a healthy dislike for the Pat Robertsons of the political world but I am stoked about the Palin pick because it is the Republican Party thinking outside the box about one of their candidates for the first time….ever?
Picking another old white guy would have been boring.
Palin may have been a genius pick and watching liberals squirm is a lot of fun!!
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Sep 3, 2008 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am looking forward
to her speech tomorrow night. If she does well, it would be a big boon ( at least temporarily) for the McCain campaign and might make much of the gossip in the news fade quickly.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not every...
…Obama supporter sees him as the chosen one, ya know. Some of us are actually supporting him for his courage to stand up and speak out against the Iraq war from the beginning, work for compromise bills when he was in the Illinois Senate, lead the charge for a comprehensive ethics reform bill in the US Senate, etc.
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you don't like...
Palin’s corruption reforms in Alaska?
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what?
She herself is under investigation in an abuse of power scandal. And she pushed hard for earmarks for her town when she was governor. How is that indicative of a reformer?
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The same can be said of Obama...
that he played the game with the political machine in Chicago.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ayers
Wright
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not
The “political machine” really.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ayers?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Annenberg Papers
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
link?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Link to what?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what political game did he play with Ayers?
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
we’re talking about “the appearance of impropriety” here. I don’t think even the most partisan person can say that Palin is overtly corrupt. But there are “appearance” issues with Obama, as well… Rezko, for instance.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
You said it doesn’t matter, right? They’re not pushing army pieces on the big board, I thought.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's
Really baffling is that you said the identity of the President doesn’t really matter. So why the Obama hate?
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Banana!
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You seriously
Can’t engage in a normal conversation?
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Asphalt!!
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got it.
Well, I guess the only benefit is that I don’t have to hear any more age-related platitudes.
Kinda sad that you can’t grow up.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
REC
well done, ben’s busted out a “how old are you?” a few times if i remember.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
most of the time...
…Ben seems to take an objective approach to these types of things. I’m still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Mostly because he’s sometimes hilarious.
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is?
I’m still waiting for all these people who claim that to produce one funny thing he’s said.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i havent seen that over the last couple threads.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
I’m not some kind of McCain / Bush partisan. I just don’t get the Obama “rock-star” stuff.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He
Excites people because he’s different than the typical candidate (in appearance, if nothing else). I don’t get what’s so hard to understand about it.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"in appearance, if nothing else"
sad, but true.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 2, 2008 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He really is a good public speaker
Dazzling even. I think that’s actually one of the key factors in this election. You have Bush who’s one of the worst public speakers I’ve ever heard and McCain who used to be a good speaker but now has a creepy old man vibe about him that makes it hard to like him.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Sep 3, 2008 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i havent seen you take an opposing position from the republican party line yet
but your independent, it gets ppretty confusing, or my definition of an independent isnt the same as yours.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Repubs held Congress...
I would vote for Obama. I’m not a Republican partisan, though I’d say I’m more sympathetic to their views than, say, Obama’s.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
If the Republicans win back control of Congress this year, you’re going to have egg all over your face.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
kind of moot
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Sep 2, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Granted.
Just showing the silliness of the argument.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the polls look like they're favoring...
Republican takeover of Congress, I’ll certainly vote for Obama.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Are you aware that control of Congress and the Presidency doesn’t negate a dissent?
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(rolls eyes)
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
You can do that. Just wondering.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he hasn't wished death on someone
of the opposing party…more independent than you.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you got me.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess so
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are a LOT of people who pretend to be independents
on this board…doesn’t make them independent.
I’ve seen a lot of self-titled “leaners” when their comments come across as radicals (from both sides).
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on Sep 2, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say I was independent.
I said I wasn’t a McCain or Bush partisan.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
radicals and independents.
Everyone’s definition of radical depends on who they support. I’ve stated my thoughts — and my reservations about both candidates — several times. I am leaning Obama, but there are a lot of things about him I don’t like. But I realize I can’t expect to like everything about a candidate.
I wish Obama had more experience, and had stuck his neck out a bit more in the Illinois state senate. I wish I didn’t have the feeling that the Dems nominated a guy just because he gave a great speech in 2004. But right now he scares me less than McCain, and I feel like he’s a little more likely to be bipartisan when in office. I get that feeling from comments I’ve seen from his colleagues in Washington. Meanwhile the same people think McCain has a serious temper problem.
I can’t stand it when someone is so partisan they pretend that there is NOTHING wrong with their party’s ticker and EVERYTHING wrong with the other side. Ridiculous.
Realize this people: Both men are very serious, intelligent men who have dedicated their lives to serving their country. Politics and competing in elections turns our leaders into self aggrandizing caricatures. But the vast majority of them really do want to do a good job.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please point me to a comment you've made that contradicts a pro-McCain commenter
B/c we could all point to 50 that does the opposite…
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Sep 3, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are the conversations in these threads actually normal?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I guess political discussions
in real life end up like this also.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its the same as republicans and reagan
you dont have to relate, just try to understand whats drawing the masses. thats whats to try to figure out.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it wasn't
Sharky himself said the whole thing went flat. Now who am I going to believe? haha
So you were there huh? Pretty awesome.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, it was awesome
still hasn’t fully sunk in yet. I’m lucky to have friends in high places.
I watched the speech again after the fact and the TV didn’t even remotely convey the raucousness and electricity of that stadium. Way more energy and rowdiness than any sporting event I’ve ever been to. And I’ve been to a ton. Concerts get much crazier though.
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
he is a rock star. :)
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Sep 2, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not unlike Reagan, in terms of frenzied popularity
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's an amazing speaker
Several of the candidates came through my dinky Iowa town last year before the caucuses. As our town’s only reporter, I, of cours had to cover them all. Sometimes I hated it, because their events were at weird times (Romney’s was a Sunday morning. WTF? I guess as a Mormon he didn’t worry about that…??). But now that I look back, I realize how fortunate I was to be so close to all these candidates (whether I agreed with their views or not). Obama was by far the best speaker I saw. Hillary was second. Tom Tancredo was DEAD LAST. He only had one issue and he beat it to death. Of all the Repubs, I was most impressed with Bill Huckabee.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by baseballismyboyfriend on Sep 2, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doh
Why do I keep calling him BILL Huckabee? It’s Mike. And I know that. I have this blind spot in my head though, apparently.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by baseballismyboyfriend on Sep 2, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think in the end, it'll fizzle out...
“Americans prefer their populism in small doses, and, preferably, from an elitist.”
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even in economic times like these?
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
from what I’ve seen of Obama’s national service proposals, they really wouldn’t help the economy much.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and...
…what about his proposals to cut taxes for all but the richest Americans?
Besides, we’re not talking about what will actually help the economy. We’re talking about how well a populism platform and rhetoric will help get a politician elected.
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a little generous
To say that he’s “cutting taxes”, don’t you think?
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's adding $1,000 tax credits for families making under $75,000...
…and he’s providing a $4,000 education tuition credit in exchange for 100 hours of community service.
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and cutting Capital Gains tax
for smalll businesses and high tech businesses
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
And you consider those analogous to “tax cuts”?
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the tuition credit idea
college is becoming outrageous
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by baseballismyboyfriend on Sep 2, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Credits are actually the worst way to deal with it. More money to defray the cost just makes prices rise over time.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's a better way?
It’s getting to be that some families can’t afford to send their kids to college.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by baseballismyboyfriend on Sep 2, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A better way
Is to predicate state funding upon a condition that tuition is more heavily regulated in some way.
Of course, that has its problems, too. The best way would be for people to realize that the 4-year college route isn’t for everyone.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is that a good thing?
I’m not a class warrior.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it sounds great in a populist election
and when the economy is in the shitter like it is now.
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 2, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't find it great.
I also find tax credits and exemptions to be a horribly inefficient way to do things. “If the government is paying you to do something that you wouldn’t do on your own, they’re usually paying you to do something stupid.”
For instance, the tuition credits for community service. Creates perversive incentives, and moves the workforce from (most likely) higher production to lower.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The entire tax code
seems to exist far more as a collection of “elect me” throw ins than any serious attempt to actually collect taxes.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not about being a class warrior
Consumption drives this economy, and if you give the teeming middle class a break, they will spend more. It’s the opposite of Reaganomics, and actually more suited to a market economy in my opinion.
Even if you raised taxes on people with high incomes, wouldn’t middle class spending help make up for that? These are the people who own stocks, businesses, etc. They’d benefit if more people had more money, it would seem.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree with that at all...
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the
“Middle class” does spend more than it saves.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
America as a whole, no?
Japan certainly saves, though I haven’t looked at data for B.R.I.C. yet.
"The question of how we came to be is a philosophical one." - 4HIM
by Chase Irwin on Sep 2, 2008 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ben
You are so cool. counter counter culture, family ties style.
by enut21 on Sep 2, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
and another rec
well done as well
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obama Tee Shirt: 17 dollars.
Fancy Store-Bought Haircut: 85 dollars.
Invesco Field Press Pass Registration Fee: 25 dollars.
Bringing Your Filipino Man-Slave With You to Hear Obama’s Big Speech: Priceless.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Sep 3, 2008 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoaaaaaa
lol
1) T-shirt was free from some volunteering I did earlier this year
2) Haircut: $25
3) Unfortch, no press pass
4) He’s Puerto Rican and Princeton-educated. And I asked him to be my man slave, but he said “that’s not something you’re supposed to ask. You make Slave do that”
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 3, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for another view on politics...
The 5 Most Badass Presidents of All-Time
6 Great US Presidents and Their Crimes Against Humanity
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Sep 2, 2008 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i would've had Andrew Jackson
higher than #4
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
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by hinduplaya on Sep 2, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before I read it...
on which list? I could see him on both.
Ok, reading now, yep, seems like he qualifies for both.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I was saying the Badass list
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
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by hinduplaya on Sep 3, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is great
all the big networks are showing different parts of the RNC at the same time…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 9:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fred Thompson
now, he’s funny.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
remember when he was
gonna be the savior of the republicans? he was about as empty a candidate as wesley clark was
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
by gossamer on Sep 2, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heres a question
who had a worse campaign?
rudy or fred thompson?
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Sep 2, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough call
Fred talked a lot, but had nothing good to say.
Rudy didn’t say a whole lot.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by baseballismyboyfriend on Sep 2, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy obviously
Thompson was never a favorite…Rudy was the hands-down favorite at the beginning and his “wait until Florida” strategy was awful and failed miserably.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True story.
When I was in Iowa, Rudy campaign workers accidentally got on a Thompson bus. A bus with the words “THOMPSON” written in such disgustingly large font that I could see the bus across town.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You came to Iowa?
For the caucuses?
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by baseballismyboyfriend on Sep 2, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
I enjoyed his two visits to my town. He seems like a good guy. I really liked what he had to say and how he said it. I hoped he would get the VP nod.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by baseballismyboyfriend on Sep 2, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should
call him ASAP and ask him to shave the goatee, it is quite unbecoming.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 2, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a toughie
Rudy squandered huge advantages in name recognition and money, but I never considered him a viable candidate. The current Republican party is not going to nominate a divorced, pro-choice, pro-gay rights moderate to be its nominee. Thompson actually had a shot, he was just lazy. You can’t win the nomination if you are lazy. They both ran terrble campaigns. I think it’s a tie.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on Sep 2, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good question.
Seems like yesterday that Rudy was a shoe in, or Thompson was just going to sweep in a take over. And McCain was on the ropes.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thompson is doing amazing
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he's ripping the media and the libs a new one
greatness.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know
Watching Thompson give this boring, cold speech, I’m reminded of a Volokh commentator recalling his experiences many years ago as opposing counsel to Thompson. He remembered him being incredibly vibrant and warm, and incredibly accommodating. Now a guy like that could have gotten somewhere.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Country First"
Seems a little Commie, no?
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
4. (from the OP)
Who made up the term Darwinism? This is not the sams as theScientology thing. It is a scientific theory, and should not be treated as a religion.
by cashman on Sep 2, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For God's sake
Get the man a glass of water.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And
Funny line about taxes. Simplified, but funny.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO
Thompson is a freaking beast….this is awesome.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man
I wish Thompson wouldn’t have botched his campaign so badly, he did awesome….. I’m a Dem but am not really sold on Obama…. Surprise! I’m like the only black guy who might not vote for him anyways…. Was considering voting for McCain but his shaky VP choice is swaying me back to vote Dem… Just me talking can’t say if it’ll have any effect on the election, just how it affected me.
by AirJordan on Sep 2, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his problem wasnt memerizing lines, it was debating and discussing political issues with experts in their field
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pay grade comment
that was awesome.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nice music
man, i wish Jindal would make a speech…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 9:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jindal will be the nominee in 4 or 8 years
IMO.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be
he seems to be a rising star.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its very trendy
to NOT be a white male….
although many will say its about time he(whitey) forked over the keys.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I hope that by the time I can vote in 2012, he’ll be on the ballot. Of course, if Obama wins this year, than thats going to be a tough decision for me personally
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by hinduplaya on Sep 3, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
suggestion?
Can we change the title of this post?
I like
“LSB conservatives suck the dick of anybody who walks onto the stage”
by enut21 on Sep 2, 2008 9:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
typical lib.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
typical bg
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you understand there isnt a such thing as a typical (insert party affiliate here)
i think that is part of the attraction of the younger candidates who run these days, people are sick of not looking across the aisle for common purpose, the things we can all agree on. voters hope that as a younger mind they arent as jaded by longtime big party slanderous crap.
typical republicans arent always conservative and typical liberals arent all big government and weak on defense.
if you buy into the propaganda you just end up a sucker.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
would you like to lose money to me as well?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Sep 2, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you want to make a bet on the election
don’t be such a simpleton all the time
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Sep 2, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you make bets with people online about who wins an election?
ooooookay.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you new?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Sep 2, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you must not be too bright if you have to ask that question...
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
there’s this thing called InTrade. nobody told people it wasn’t cool to make bets with people online about who wins an election and they made a website out of it. isn’t that weird?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Sep 2, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's very different
That’s betting against anonymous people…you’re trying to win an argument by challenging someone to a bet. That’s weird.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what argument? i just want your money
i’m identifying people who think that mccain will win and betting them. you want in?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Sep 2, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha thank you for proving my point
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
you want to bet him? haha what a dork.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, i know.
seriously…who goes around on blogs betting people on who will win an election.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
people who like money?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Sep 2, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
people who resort to that instead of using words to argue your point.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what point?
what the hell are you talking about?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Sep 2, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you want to bet you know
what i’m talking about?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
people with serious issues.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who also like money?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
by ab03 on Sep 2, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry boss
can’t help you with your personal problems.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Thompson was great, this is kind of deflating.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
And he got a subtle “boo” when he mentioned McCain’s campaign finance reform.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some lobbyists must have snuck in
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at all those LSB liberals
Voting for McCain. heh.
Old war wound. Acts up around morons.
by TheBZA on Sep 2, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sockpuppets?
heh
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe
is losing Republican votes by the second.
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
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by hinduplaya on Sep 2, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm losing
Consciousness by the second.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutting off funding to the troops
I’m so tired of hearing that. Very misleading.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about this to my wife this morning
Republicans say Obama voted to cut of funding for troops. Technically true, but you get images of soldiers running out of bullets in the middle of battle… not exactly what they voted on.
But this is no different from Obama’s ad saying McCain/Palin are going to make abortion illegal. The MOST McCain could do is put justices to overturn Roe v Wade, which will return decisions to the states. Which will mean that abortions will still be legal in 45 states – maybe South Dakota and Alabama will ban it in most instances, but most people in those states want that anyway. It is a scare tactic that is completely misleading.
Politics is about exaggerating the other sides positions to scare people on the fence. It is pathetic, but both sides do it. What is sad is that McCain and Obama both pledged to run a “different” type of campaign. Both are liars.
by JBImaknee on Sep 3, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The MOST McCain could do is put justices to overturn Roe v Wade, which will return decisions to the states. Which will mean that abortions will still be legal in 45 states – maybe South Dakota and Alabama will ban it in most instances, but most people in those states want that anyway.
i am VERY pro-life…almost exactly like palin
however this is what i think should happen (up to states)
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on Sep 3, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I highly doubt
that anyone is going to be able to overturn Roe v Wade. Even if they do get some Justices in there, the issue seems too controversial to overturn just like that.
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
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by hinduplaya on Sep 3, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing is
It isn’t Roe v. Wade that has to be overturned, it’s an entire line of substantive due process cases which extend back over 100 years.
The most anyone can hope for is more narrowing.
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of moot in some places
In some states there is very limited access to clinics or drs. for any kind of abortion procedure.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congress would simply not approve a Pro-Life justice
at least, not a Democratic Congress.
Bringing up the Roe v Wade is a fear tactic…nothing more.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on Sep 3, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
I’m not sure this grumpy old man is the one to convert any Democrats.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That guy
Screaming “YEAH!!!” is really fucking annoying.
by brettgardner on Sep 2, 2008 9:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
your bitching is getting annoying.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ironic huh?
Old war wound. Acts up around morons.
by TheBZA on Sep 2, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like bg
we can squabble about stuff like politics, but he has a lot of good things to say, might not agree with everything he says, but it’s interesting reading to say the least…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ann Curry
instead of talking about the speech she talks about a few empty seats.
HAHA. No, no bias at all…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 10:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm watching the Uber Commie Super Liberal Socialist Extravaganza (PBS)
And they’re actually being very positive about tonight’s events.
You’ll find bias when you look for it, sure.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, but come on
Brokow, Brian Williams, whoever it was sends it to Ann Curry for her reaction on the speech, and she talks about empty seats? That’s a bit much, don’t you think?
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know. Didn't see it.
If there were a hell of a lot of empty seats I guess that would be something worth bringing up. I really didn’t think the speakers themselves were all that great, and I’m trying to hold back my own bias. Would you rather her say “there’s some empty seats over there” or “I was fucking bored to tears”?
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just be honest
‘i hate being here, i love obama’
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newt Gingrich just owned MSNBC
on MSNBC>
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
yes he did. I saw that. lmro
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by dstar442005 on Sep 2, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn, missed it
anywhere on the internet yet?
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nevermind, found it
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"palin wears glasses, obama doesn't"
“palin lived in the northern most state, obama didn’t”
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by ab03 on Sep 2, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that was rather dense.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
new link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN54Fb9dLKs
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by knockoutking on Sep 3, 2008 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newt
“I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write.”
by 4Him on Sep 3, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good quote
That Alaska National Guard stuff is baloney, they need to stop saying that.
But the stuff about her taking on her own party has legs and should be repeated often. Obama voting “present” as many times as he did in the Illinois Senate shows someone being careful, not taking a stand. Overall, a great sound byte from Newt.
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by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm always shocked to see LSB polls that show Republican votes
even with or ahead of Democratic votes. It always seems that liberals outnumber conservatives in discussions, but maybe they are just more the type to post their thoughts.
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by willamos2 on Sep 2, 2008 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably.
The thought of discussing politics on LSB is a massive beating for some.
by LiamP on Sep 2, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's prolly because...
Their guilty consciences may force them to talk all Liberal, but deep down inside everyone secretly longs for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule them like a king.
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by thedirkatron on Sep 3, 2008 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
the posts are uneven. It seems there is a pretty good mix of posts from both sides.
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by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all I have to say is
Fred Thompson is simply a BEAST!!! and I imagine Lieberman made an impact with Independents/Dems….
what did you guys think?
"You can't reason with your heart; it has its own laws, and thumps about things which the intellect scorns." - from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
by dstar442005 on Sep 2, 2008 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
Your Uncle not only brainwashed you politically, he also molested you.
by enut21 on Sep 2, 2008 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJM
you should consider banning this guy.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh...
enut’s harmless. He’s got an enlarged “asshole gland.”
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 2, 2008 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh well I just feel bad for him now
let him stay…
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lieberman made no impact
In fact, he sucked.
by cmkelly29 on Sep 3, 2008 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
just by casual observation, “defectors” seemed to be treated a lot better by Repubs than Democrats. I remember Ben Campbell was lauded at the time of his defection, Lieberman speaks at the RNC. Jim Jeffords?
The thing is, Lieberman was never going to appeal to the Kos crowd. He may, however, appeal to the soft middle.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 3, 2008 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of big talk
for someone who snuck his way back into a senate seat. Ned Lamont should probably be sitting in his place (Just not at the RNC, obviously).
by cmkelly29 on Sep 3, 2008 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This kind of bitterness...
it certainly doesn’t persuade anyone.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Sep 3, 2008 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a CT Dem
I’m not a big Lieberman fan
by cmkelly29 on Sep 3, 2008 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
snuck his way in?
by winning the election?
the DNC is dumb for ousting him over the war when he voted over 90% of the time over YEARS
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by knockoutking on Sep 3, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning the election
After losing his own primary…
by cmkelly29 on Sep 3, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is that sneaking in
we are a democracy.
he won the IMPORTANT election
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by knockoutking on Sep 3, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You lose this argument
Lieberman made a shrewd move and won the election. It should not be considered a bad thing to lose the support of your (past) party but gain the support of a majority of the general population.
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by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Absolutely Does Not Lose
What Lieberman did was a shitty move and everyone knows it. He just didn’t want to give up his Senate seat under any circumstances. The people who gave money to Lieberman over the years were giving to him, the Democrat. And when he lost as a Democrat he took those funds and went “independent”. Not illegal, no. But power hungry.
by Black Francis on Sep 3, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That just strikes me
as sour grapes. The people who voted for him obviously didn’t have a problem with it. I don’t like him, but I won’t crucify him for wanting to remain a senator and for pulling it off. The Dems should be embarrassed that they lost to him.
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by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sour Grapes
On the part of Lieberman, maybe.
“Hey, I consider myself a Democrat. I’m going to run in the Democratic Primary”.
He commences to lose said primary.
“Shit, I lost!!! This sucks!!!! Well you know what, screw this. I have almost nine million bucks in my campaign coffers so I’m just going to run in the general anyway. My opponent has about half the money I have the GOP nominated some guy with gambling problems. I’m all set!”
by Black Francis on Sep 3, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention...
…the explicit support of Karl Rove
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 3, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heres my question
if the guy beat him in the primary…and joe had more money…why didnt the DNC give the guy money by the truckload?
for the DNC to support someone other than lieberman was stupid. he has voted 90-95% of the time with the DNC over his time in the senate…and they run him out over WAR? …really?
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
by knockoutking on Sep 4, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DNC didn't run him out.
Voters in Maine did. I believe it would’ve been illegal for the DNC to give money to Lieberman because he formed a party to get on the ticket.
by Black Francis on Sep 4, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gallup Daily Tracking
It’ll be interesting to see what the numbers look like seven days from now.
by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 11:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gallup seemingly always had Kerry & Gore
ahead of Bush so although they’re the name brand in polling, I remember their history.
Obama had a piss-poor bounce out of the convention and with a good showing from Palin tomorrow night, McCain could sling shot 3-5 points ahead of Obama by the weekend.
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by Josey Wales on Sep 2, 2008 11:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
huh?
A piss-poor bounce? It was about even before the convention and now he enjoys a lead somewhere between 6-9%. Thats a slightly above average bounce.
by enut21 on Sep 2, 2008 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obama's lead going into
last week was 3 to 5 points and Gallup (usually the most optimistic liberal poll) now has him at 8 points.
Carter had an 18 point lead after his convention in ’76. Mondale was nearly even after his convention in ’84. Gore & Kerry had double digit leads after their conventions.
A 2-3 point bounce is piss poor.
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by Josey Wales on Sep 3, 2008 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Who needs context?
Dirty liberal.
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uhh..
First off I don’t know why you are claiming that Gallup is “liberal”, thats pretty silly. Also you fail to mention what the Kerry and Carter bounces were, just the leads they had after the convention, and comparing Carter ’76 to now is insane, the country was a lot less partisan as it is now. Gallup had obama up between 1-3 last week, now its 8. Anywhere between a 5-7% bounce is average if not a little above average. Other polls had this thing tied, some even had mccain with a 3 point lead a week ago, now they are all showing Obama with a 6-9 point lead.
by enut21 on Sep 3, 2008 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obama's bounce is on the small side
historically speaking.
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by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My recollection is that Kerry had a double digit
lead after his convention.
There may be some place that shows his lead at double digits but I’m not looking for it. I found a Newsweek site that said Kerry had a 8 point lead (Obama’s lead) after their convention so to claim they had a double digit lead in some polls is not a stretch.
I also believe the Repubs had their convention first in 2004.
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by Josey Wales on Sep 3, 2008 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
historically speaking yes
realistically it was average.
This has been the longest presidential campaign with the most media coverage in history. Add that with the fact that the country is getting more partisan every 4 years and you have a lot more people who have their minds made up and aren’t going to be wavering as they usaully do. These candidates are pretty far away on the issues compared to any presidential election we have seen in awhile, nobody is gonna go over a 10% lead unless they make a huge mistake even after the convention bounces. Unlike any of ben’s recent girlfriends, this thing is gonna be really tight.
by enut21 on Sep 3, 2008 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What in the shit?
Kerry had a double digit lead? I don’t remember that…
by cmkelly29 on Sep 3, 2008 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Data
Obama’s came a little later than normal, but it is indeed about what one would expect.
by Black Francis on Sep 3, 2008 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Republicans in '76 had a tough go.
6 years of Nixon, 2 blah years from Ford, WIN buttons, losing Viet Nam, lots of people still pissed off about what happened to the Kennedys, a wretched economy…the country was overwhelminingly against the Repubs and much more partisan towards the Democrats. Carter had something like an 18 point lead after the convention. I think the reasons he won is because he represented change and was the govnuh of a Dixie state and not some clown from the eastern establishment..sorry for the quick history lesson.
I always thought of Gallup as being down the middle until the last couple of elections and that’s where they lost credibility with me. Given all the expectations from last week, the great speech in front of 75,000 people at Invesco with a fawning media…
an 8 point lead is it? I was seriously bracing for a 10-14 point lead.
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by Josey Wales on Sep 3, 2008 12:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Some stuff on Palin...
I’ve been looking for the context of the “I don’t know what the VP does all day” quote. The clip was shown on The Daily Show, but there’s obviously additional context (the clip ends a fraction of a second after the word “day,” so she seems to have followed up that sentence with another thought. Anybody seen what the whole clip says?
As for the Alaska Independence Party, Palin has apparently been a registered Republican since 1982, though her husband was apparently a member for a couple of years in the early 90’s.
As for Troopergate, this is the McCain camp’s response:
"Of course this issue came up in the vetting, and this is what we discovered," the source said. "The man who was fired has said on the record that he was never pressured by the governor or the governor’s husband on the issue of firing Trooper Wooten. The governor had a vision for how she wanted that department to be run. The commissioner had a different vision."
"The reason that members of the Palin family were having discussions with the head of the state police about this state trooper, who was her ex-brother-in-law, was because he had made threats against the family. He threatened to kill the governor’s daughter, her father, and her sister. He tasered her 11-year-old stepson. And that is why the Palin family was concerned about this trooper."
I’m not sure that rises to the level of improper influence.
I find the arc this story has followed to be pretty interesting. I’ll be watching with interest how she handles herself on the campaign trail, interviews, and debates.
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by benmor78 on Sep 3, 2008 3:15 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Incidentally...
I had been looking for videos from Alaska’s gubernatorial debates, and here’s one:
http://gregransom.com/prestopundit/2008/09/sarah-palin-debates-tony-knowl.html
It’s Alaska-specific issues, but I guess can give you an idea of how she performs.
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by benmor78 on Sep 3, 2008 4:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is all small stuff
that will go away quickly I think. The ‘secessionist’ stuff is way exaggerated and apparently not part of that party’s actual platform, just something some of its members occasionally discuss.
Looking forward to that speech tonight.
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by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
her husband was a member of the AIP until 2002
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by RangerMoto on Sep 3, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
I am umoved by this. Unless you can prove he was active — and that she at least tacetly supported his activism — I don’t care and I don’t think it’s relevant. Even if you can prove that I’m not sure it’s relevant, though it would at least deserve a lot more discussion then.
I have my doubts that either of them were actively fomenting for secession, and it seems the party platform does not advocate anything other than following the constitutional votes they’re entitled to. I don’t think there’s a lot to gain by pushing this issue.
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by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Link?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from abcnews
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/the-alaska-divi.html
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by RangerMoto on Sep 3, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff thanks
IF he wasn’t attending anything I don’t think it is that big of a deal but to be honest I didn’t even know these kind of organizations existed. Amazing.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does that matter?
It is just as silly to bring up Todd Palin’s political views as it is for Republicans to be trying to dig up Michelle Obama’s thesis to claim that she’s a black supremacist (or whatever they are looking for).
by JBImaknee on Sep 3, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on Sep 3, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I personally think
drunken slut references are relevant to the party of “family values”. The Republicans talk the talk, much like in budget situations, but they really never walk the walk. It is the party of hypocrisy in america.
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by DJCahill on Sep 3, 2008 3:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dumbest thing said
in the entire thread, and that’s saying something. But thank you for breaking away from the Daily Kos long enough to bring us your insight…….
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by red shoe ranger on Sep 3, 2008 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shouldn't surprise you
look who made the comment.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sadly, this is true. the current ruling party rules with a hypocritical fist
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 3, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet liberal puke criticism of Palin's raising of her children and trying
to finally breakthrough the glass ceiling is not hypocritical?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Sep 3, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raising her children
and her grandchildren apparently.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
"JD is a great GM if you ignore the giving away pitching and handing out horrible contract stuff."-Tricer
by DJCahill on Sep 3, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
irony
I find it ironic that the leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention love the idea of Palin running instead of staying at home and taking care of her kids and soon to be born grand kid. And on the other side, feminists are wondering if she can handle the job of VP. It is just backwards from what we expect. That juxtaposition pretty much explains why McCain made her his pick.
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by DerekSTheRed on Sep 3, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who is criticizing Palin's raising of her children?
not me.
By the way, Ferraro already broke through this glass ceiling.
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by RangerMoto on Sep 3, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a problem with her family values as well
I have a daughter. The last thing I would do to my daughter if she were to get pregnant at a young age is draw intense national attention to that fact. I’m certain this is a difficult enough time for her, why put her on the front pages of grocery checkout stands?
If the McCain campaign knew her daughter was pregnant prior to the selection, as they say they did, then this reeks of whoring out your 17-year old child for political gain. If her mother was aware of the situation and didn’t inform the campaign, then the campaign must be very angry. If neither the mother nor campaign knew, and she’s 5-months pregnant … well … then I don’t know. I guess it seems like that would be a pretty difficult thing to conceal from a loving and present mother.
by robert_d_wilfong on Sep 3, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drawing attention
Without Sarah’s admission, there would be no attention to her daughter’s pregnancy?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Sep 3, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
they can’t hide it, that would just make the attention more negative when it inevitably came out. My criticism of the way they’ve handled this is they should have announced (or leaked it) immediately instead of using it as some response to rumors over the weekend. It makes it seem like they initially tried to hide it but were forced to acknowledge it.
I also think they took advantage of the hurrican coverage to limit news coverage a bit. Smart, but not sure it worked.
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by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I respectfully disagree
I don’t believe that they thought they could hide something like this under the rug especially when apparently in Alaska it is pretty well known.
I do believe that they were going to announce it but wanted to wait a day or two. Unfortunately DailyKos decided to start a false rumor that the 5th child was not Palin’s but her daughters. To break that absurd rumor they had to release the daughter’s pregnancy news in a reactive manner to the rumor.
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by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be very interested in hearing a response to my post above
on Palin’s handling of the pregnancy situation. Just interested in what you think.
by robert_d_wilfong on Sep 3, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Labor Day
I think they intentionally waited until Labor Day to divulge all of Palin’s dirty little secrets in the hopes that no one would be paying attention during the holiday.
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by DerekSTheRed on Sep 3, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if they wanted to cover it all up
why did they pick her in the first place? That’s the part I don’t understand.
by robert_d_wilfong on Sep 3, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because there was no vetting done of this candidate
plain and simple.
And I would wager that we haven’t seen the last of her skeletons.
Dreaming of 2009
by RangerMoto on Sep 3, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you really think that?
Its a fun thing to think about, but I’m pretty sure that McCain isn’t going to hinge his candidacy on someone who is a complete mystery.
My guess is that he knows everything there is to know about her, but figured that he wasn’t going to win with a conservative white male on the ticket, so it either had to be a true moderate pick (Lieberman, Ridge) or a woman. And since Kay Bailey wasn’t biting, and the Maine senators are too moderate, and Christine Todd Whitman was old news, then it had to be Sarah Palin. She appeases the conservatives and satisfies the “non-traditional” requirement. She was vetted, and she had dirt, but McCain didn’t care.
by JBImaknee on Sep 3, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like a really desperate move
from someone who was in a virtual dead-heat when he made the pick. And I’m not being nasty to McCain, just seems like really questionable strategy by his campaign.
by robert_d_wilfong on Sep 3, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Electoral Map
The electoral map did not look good to McCain. The popular doesn’t matter.
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by DerekSTheRed on Sep 3, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swing States
McCain has to win all of the following states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Missouri, Colorado, and Nevada. If Obama wins just one, then McCain loses. Right now they are all about 50-50 with Obama leading Nevada and Colorado slightly and Virginia tied. All others are favoring McCain slightly.
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by DerekSTheRed on Sep 3, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that it is a desparate move
Pawlenty or Romney would have been the conservative “I don’t want to screw this up” pick (like Biden for Obama).
But that doesn’t mean that she wasn’t vetted. Heck, if you are throwing a Hail Mary pass, you don’t just pick some random receiver to run down field, you pick someone who you are confident can at least get to the end zone. She wasn’t random, but she was very risky.
by JBImaknee on Sep 3, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nearly any candidate
is going to have some kind of skeleton, they’re just being smart about timing.
It does kind of make the McCain campaign look unprepared, or impulsive.
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by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply