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In regards to the Palin situation (her daughter),

I think Obama said it best in that this shouldn’t be what politics is based on in this election. Teen pregnancy is somewhat of a problem in the country and the best that can be done by the media is to give the family privacy.

Also, I was watching ABC News last night, and Steponopolis was on there and he was talking to some past strategists, and they were saying that in the beginning, most of the Rep delegates were praising McCain for selecting Palin, but now, some have the mindset of “What was he thinking??” Its just something interesting to think about….

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by hinduplaya on Sep 2, 2008 7:40 PM CDT 0 recs

abc guys

throwing out blind assertions, again…who are these people with that ‘mindset’?

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by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up 0 recs

Well they didnt exactly reveal that

I guess they couldnt reveal the certain delegates because of the problems it would create within the party, but still pretty interesting if it is true.

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by hinduplaya on Sep 2, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up 0 recs

how many posts did the last one get to?

i gave up b/c it was retarded to load and it turned to the discussion of evolution which i find to be insulting to my intelligence to listen to people belittle. and i dont wanna get into it, so save your energy.

there were some interesting discussions though before it got to 750+ posts and with the ’Pub Convention goin on it figures another was bound to show up.

so here’s my Question:

What’s your opinion of Joe Lieberman? He is speaking at the convention tonight so i figured id ask b/c democrats are familiar with him and now he seems to be lining up with republicans. What do you think of the guy?

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 7:59 PM CDT 0 recs

Lieberman

It would’ve been a disaster if McCain picked him. It may have picked up some independents, but no Democrats and a lot of Republicans wouldn’t have been on board with it.

As a Democrat, I don’t like the way he lost his party primary and then ran as an independent, so that pretty much soured me on him for good. Don’t like his stance on Iraq. Don’t like the fact that he would speak at Republican National Convention. If the Democrats didn’t need him they’d kick him out of the caucus for sure.

I’d say he’s getting ready to switch parties but he still votes with the Democrats on social stuff.

by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up 0 recs

Agree

from an ideological standpoint I would have preferred Lieberman, however that selection would not have united and fired up the Republican base. I don’t think a McCain-Lieberman ticket had a chance to win. Bottom line, a lot of hardcore conservatives that perhaps were put off by McCain’s moderate views will be back in the thick of things given Palin’s very conservative positions and are more likely to come out in big numbers on election day and vote.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up 0 recs

re:

dems release Sarah Palin’s SSN and home addresses.

"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno

by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 8:00 PM CDT 0 recs

source?

"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM

by Jayslick on Sep 2, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up 0 recs

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/09/02/breaking-democrats-release-sarah-palins-social-security-number.php

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Democrats_Release_Sarah_Palin_s_Social_Security_Number

"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno

by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

Leaked Opposition Research

It’s not at all uncommon for campaigns to have that kind of information on their opponents and then some. I think it’s important to say that this came from the state party apparatus in Alaska, and is wholly inconsistent with how the Obama campaign has run things to this point. There’s no political advantage to be gained from it anyway. All you can get is blowback. I think it’s a safe assumption that one or two idiots decided to do this on their own.

by Black Francis on Sep 2, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

i agree ...

That Obama has been handling the Palin situation (regarding her family) perfectly…

"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno

by Longhorn on Sep 2, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yep

he doesn’t have to attack her because the liberal media does it for him….Not his fault the media is liberal. Works out perfect for him as long as he doesn’t say anything.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up 0 recs

I get so tired of republicans using

the term ‘liberal media.’ It so easy, so pat and so dismissive. What an easy way to discount anything that’s reported by saying it’s coming from the ‘liberal media.’ Sure the NYT has a liberal bent just like Fox and the Wall Street Journal have a conservative one. Try forming an argument for a change. Are you saying that Republicans don’t have attack mechanisms at their disposal? Tell the John McCain in South Carolina in 2000 that.

by jcAustin on Sep 2, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

first off

if you deny that the media is liberal I dont want to bother talking with you. Second off all I stated was that the liberal media allows obama to not attack her while the media does it for her. Do you actually disagree with taht statement? You’re talking about attack mechanisms by the Republicans…I have no idea what you’re talking about. I made a simple statement and you’re talking about something entirely different.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 2, 2008 11:07 PM CDT up 0 recs

"liberal" media

is a very limited way of looking at it. I think newspapers are mostly liberal, but tv is more balanced. Radio is downright conservative.

I don’t see the media attacking Palin at all. Do you expect them not to report this stuff? Was the media going light on Obama when all they talked about for a couple weeks was the not-so-reverend J. Wright?

The liberal media label is an outdated half truth.

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by t ball on Sep 2, 2008 11:55 PM CDT up 0 recs

out of curiosity.....

which of the major anchors(Brian Williams, Brokaw, Couric, etc) do you think might vote for McCain?

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by red shoe ranger on Sep 2, 2008 11:59 PM CDT up 0 recs

No idea.

I don’t watch news show very often. I read most of my news online at various sites and flip around the radio a lot when I’m in the car. I don’t even know who Brian Williams is.

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by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:56 AM CDT up 0 recs

Then you're out of your element Donnie!

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 1:16 AM CDT up 0 recs

No, not really

I’ve been following the news for 30 years, since before middle school. I’ve seen plenty of tv news shows. I still watch sometimes, but I really don’t pay much attention to the anchors’ names unless they seem really obnoxious. And since I also read a lot online bias isn’t hard to spot. I get my news from many sources and read op eds from both sides of the aisle.

O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:29 AM CDT up 0 recs

And who in the hell

is Donnie?

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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:34 AM CDT up 0 recs

Big Lebowski reference, I'm thinking

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 3, 2008 1:49 AM CDT up 0 recs

not entirely different....

Do you think Bush had to do anything but sit back and watch when the Swift-boaters attacked Kerry? Do you deny that Fox News and all Rupert Murdoch owned media is Conservative? If so I don’t want to bother talking to you either. All I’m saying is it’s easy to say the ‘media’ is liberal, it’s totally unprovable because it depends on your point of view, and every time a conservative says that little pat phrase I just shut down.

by jcAustin on Sep 3, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up 0 recs

who has attacked her because of the family thing?

would like to see a link to this

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by ab03 on Sep 2, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up 0 recs

Okay

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 1:19 AM CDT up 0 recs

Uh

yeah, that’s a respectable news source. Is this the bias you spoke of? I hope you’re joking. Supermarket checkout fodder just doesn’t count for much and probably isn’t being counted on by the McCain campaign to sway Hilary supporters.

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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
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by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 1:31 AM CDT up 0 recs

It was a joke....

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 2:36 AM CDT up 0 recs

Oh

can’t be too sure around here sometimes…

O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up 0 recs

ummm

you do know the guy who owns that mag is a big time contributor to Obama, right?

"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno

by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up 0 recs

Of course he is

the liberals control all media.

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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
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by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up 0 recs

atleast you aknowledge this.

that’s good.

"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno

by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up 0 recs

lame.

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by ivysafety39 on Sep 3, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up 0 recs

Magazines don't normally go to press this quickly

It doesn’t look like a daily and I don’t even think a weekly would have that yet. Where did you get it?

by Black Francis on Sep 3, 2008 1:33 AM CDT up 0 recs

It's Us Weekly.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Sep 3, 2008 1:38 AM CDT up 0 recs

Reputable rag that one.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 3, 2008 1:50 AM CDT up 0 recs

wow

talk about naive.

"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno

by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up 0 recs

For Real...

CNN – John Roberts
“The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child.”
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2008/08/29/cnn-s-john-roberts-palin-might-neglect-her-disabled-infant

Washington Post – Sally Quinn
“Is she prepared for the all-consuming nature of the job? She is the mother of five children, one of them a four-month-old with Down Syndrome. Her first priority has to be her children. When the phone rings at three in the morning and one of her children is really sick what choice will she make?”
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/sally_quinn/2008/08/sarah_polin.html

Good Morning America – Bill Weir
“Adding to the brutality of a national campaign, the Palin family also has an infant with special needs. What leads you, the Senator, and the Governor to believe that one won’t affect the other in the next couple of months?”
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2008/08/30/abc-anchor-impugns-sarah-palin-neglectful-mother

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up 0 recs

I think

You are exaggerating with “attacked”. None of those are vicious statements, but genuine points that are being raised. Do I agree with all of them? Not particularly, but then again I don’t have to churn out article after article on the same four subjects.

Old war wound. Acts up around morons.

by TheBZA on Sep 3, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up 0 recs

I don't see this as much different

as the circus that surrounded Obama and Rev Wright.

The media isn’t particularly biased, they just want to go 24/7 with any story they think has legs, for ratings and money. Gotta fill the column inches and burn the segments somehow.

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by DJCahill on Sep 3, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up 0 recs

Are you kidding?

These people are questioning her leadership skills because she has children. Why don’t we ever hear that about male candidates? It’s a pathetic double-standard that the liberal media is resorting to. It’s embarrassing.

This isn’t anything like Rev Wright at all. Are you joking or serious about that? I honesty hope you’re joking.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up 0 recs

Well

I thought Edwards was showing horrible judgment by running for President when his wife had cancer and he had little children at home.

by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up 0 recs

Who was the last Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate

to have a newborn? Granted, its probably her grandkid, but if they are gonna go with the story that its her kid, its open for speculation.

Believe it or not, its kind of a new deal, and kind of newsworthy.

There is already reason to question her parenting, with her apparently out of control teenager.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.

"JD is a great GM if you ignore the giving away pitching and handing out horrible contract stuff."-Tricer

by DJCahill on Sep 3, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up 0 recs

"Granted, its probably her grandkid"

We don’t want or need any of your Dailykos liberal bullshit around here.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up 0 recs

amen to that

its a terrible day when that sewage cooked up over at Daily Kooks has begun to spread to other parts of the interweb.

how fucking retarded do you have to be to cook up a conspiracy theory that her newborn son is actually her daughter’s child and she’s covering up for her. Seriously? So its just a vast right wing conspiracy that managed to pay off the doctors and forge a birth certificate and fake her pregnancy at the National Governor’s Association meeting.

You lose all credibility, not that you had any to begin with, when you come spouting garbage conspiracy theories like that. What a fucking nut you are.

Seriously..DJCahill… get off your knees and take Keith Olberman’s meat out of your mouth.

by 6th street on Sep 3, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up 0 recs

Just wondering

Why do politics make you so angry?

by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up 0 recs

its not politics

that make me angry. its the continuous revelation that there exist people in this world that are incapable of logical and rational thought.

seriously, to think that humankind has sunk to such a level that there are individuals that are unable to distinguish between delusion and reality is sadly frustrating.

i dont mind opposing viewpoints. I gladly welcome dialogue from both sides, liberal or conservative. but extremism on either side, especially to the point of complete and utter fantasy for the pure purpose of propaganda, is despicable and should be derided as such whenever present.

by 6th street on Sep 3, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up 0 recs

Why?

Why does it affect you at all?

by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up 0 recs

id argue

that it affects us all. extremism is good for no one. extremist viewpoints are not founded on rational thought. the idea that my daily life can be affected, through actions taken by the federal government, based irrational thoughts is frightening to me.

if someone’s delusional propaganda, such as that of the Kos’ cooked up idea regarding Mrs. Palin’s newborn son, were to potentially have a serious impact on the election, leading to the election of one candidate over another, Id argue that my life could be very much affected.

by 6th street on Sep 3, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up 0 recs

So,

You’re saying you don’t like Bill O’Reilly?

Rush Limbaugh?

by Requiem on Sep 4, 2008 6:11 AM CDT up 0 recs

Explain how this is comparable to Rev Wright

at all?

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

Completely unacceptable

Your comment, “Granted, its probably her grandkid, but if they are gonna go with the story that its her kid, its open for speculation.” Falls off the scale of acceptability IMO. That horrible lie demeans parents everywhere and should NOT be open for speculation.

I believe that hate filled lie about Palin is what really gets decent people upset about the media coverage of her to date.

by Bigfan16 on Sep 4, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up 0 recs

Rev Wright

was not covered by abc, cbs, nbc, msnbc…

"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno

by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up 0 recs

Were you not paying attention?

Probably not.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.

"JD is a great GM if you ignore the giving away pitching and handing out horrible contract stuff."-Tricer

by DJCahill on Sep 3, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up 0 recs

yes

where you? I’m guessing you were watching only fox news…because it was not covered on all the networks.

"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno

by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yes, it was.

The talked about Wright on ABC, NBC, CBS, and even CNN, you dolt.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.

"JD is a great GM if you ignore the giving away pitching and handing out horrible contract stuff."-Tricer

by DJCahill on Sep 3, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up 0 recs

wow

you really said this..

Granted, its probably her grandkid, but if they are gonna go with the story that its her kid, its open for speculation.

Well, atleast you know that you are one of those far left extremists.

"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno

by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up 0 recs

yeah

he’s nuttier than bat shit. he’s one of the Daily Kooks army. just a mouthpiece for the spread of Markos’ delusions

by 6th street on Sep 3, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

definitely not in the way they’re covering Gov. Palin.

"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno

by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up 0 recs

wrong.

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by ivysafety39 on Sep 3, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up 0 recs

Wow

you’re completely blinded by your partisanship. Even National Public Radio talked about Wright endlessly, and their shows bleed granola.

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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
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by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up 0 recs

Bleed Granola???

What the fuck are you talking about? I’ll grant you that they slant to the left but they’re one of the few media outfits that take journalism seriously, and will give time to the other side.

by Black Francis on Sep 3, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up 0 recs

I should have said

“and most conservatives accuse them of bleeding granola.”

I’ve been listening to their convention coverage on the way home some nights since I usually work until 8 or 9, and I often catch a bit of news in the morning on the way to work and flip over to CBS radio sometimes. Both seem fair to me.

I think the only major media networks you can really say have much bias are Fox and MSNBC.

O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up 0 recs