New Politics Discussion
The last political "fan post" has been replied to over a thousand times, so it was only a matter of time before a new one came up anyway. Don't yell at me for posting this.
If I may suggest avoiding certain topics when possible:
1. Experience as it applies to either Obama or Palin. Unless someone has something new to say, it seems to me it's been beaten to death.
2. Palin as a grandma-to-be, or at least attacks on that. I'd think that commenting on news coverage of it is cool, but no "drunken slut" posts.
3. Unions and their alleged role in the downfall of the Big Three automakers.
4. Evolution, Creationism, Intelligent Design.
I'd like to see a discussion that had no one or two word posts. I'd like like to see a thoughtful discussion focused on real policy instead of wedge issues.
Of course the Republican National Convention is cranking up as I type, so that would be good to talk about. I'm not particularly fond of the current speech (is this St Paul's mayor?). He just said they'd paint the Mississippi river "John McCain red" from St. Paul to the Gulf. I'm not sure that's very good imagery, given McCain's hawkish leanings.
Anyway, so here's a new political discussion if you want.
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In regards to the Palin situation (her daughter),
I think Obama said it best in that this shouldn’t be what politics is based on in this election. Teen pregnancy is somewhat of a problem in the country and the best that can be done by the media is to give the family privacy.
Also, I was watching ABC News last night, and Steponopolis was on there and he was talking to some past strategists, and they were saying that in the beginning, most of the Rep delegates were praising McCain for selecting Palin, but now, some have the mindset of “What was he thinking??” Its just something interesting to think about….
"Well, the Dallas Mavericks got beat by the New Orleans Hornets last night ending their season. Word is that someone on the team is dating Jessica Simpson." - Jay Leno
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Sep 2, 2008 7:40 PM CDT
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abc guys
throwing out blind assertions, again…who are these people with that ‘mindset’?
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
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Sep 2, 2008 7:48 PM CDT
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Well they didnt exactly reveal that
I guess they couldnt reveal the certain delegates because of the problems it would create within the party, but still pretty interesting if it is true.
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by hinduplaya on
Sep 2, 2008 8:02 PM CDT
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how many posts did the last one get to?
i gave up b/c it was retarded to load and it turned to the discussion of evolution which i find to be insulting to my intelligence to listen to people belittle. and i dont wanna get into it, so save your energy.
there were some interesting discussions though before it got to 750+ posts and with the ’Pub Convention goin on it figures another was bound to show up.
so here’s my Question:
What’s your opinion of Joe Lieberman? He is speaking at the convention tonight so i figured id ask b/c democrats are familiar with him and now he seems to be lining up with republicans. What do you think of the guy?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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Lieberman
It would’ve been a disaster if McCain picked him. It may have picked up some independents, but no Democrats and a lot of Republicans wouldn’t have been on board with it.
As a Democrat, I don’t like the way he lost his party primary and then ran as an independent, so that pretty much soured me on him for good. Don’t like his stance on Iraq. Don’t like the fact that he would speak at Republican National Convention. If the Democrats didn’t need him they’d kick him out of the caucus for sure.
I’d say he’s getting ready to switch parties but he still votes with the Democrats on social stuff.
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Sep 2, 2008 8:15 PM CDT
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Agree
from an ideological standpoint I would have preferred Lieberman, however that selection would not have united and fired up the Republican base. I don’t think a McCain-Lieberman ticket had a chance to win. Bottom line, a lot of hardcore conservatives that perhaps were put off by McCain’s moderate views will be back in the thick of things given Palin’s very conservative positions and are more likely to come out in big numbers on election day and vote.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Sep 2, 2008 8:43 PM CDT
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re:
dems release Sarah Palin’s SSN and home addresses.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on
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source?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Democrats_Release_Sarah_Palin_s_Social_Security_Number
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by Longhorn on
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Leaked Opposition Research
It’s not at all uncommon for campaigns to have that kind of information on their opponents and then some. I think it’s important to say that this came from the state party apparatus in Alaska, and is wholly inconsistent with how the Obama campaign has run things to this point. There’s no political advantage to be gained from it anyway. All you can get is blowback. I think it’s a safe assumption that one or two idiots decided to do this on their own.
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Sep 2, 2008 8:23 PM CDT
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i agree ...
That Obama has been handling the Palin situation (regarding her family) perfectly…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on
Sep 2, 2008 8:25 PM CDT
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Yep
he doesn’t have to attack her because the liberal media does it for him….Not his fault the media is liberal. Works out perfect for him as long as he doesn’t say anything.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Sep 2, 2008 8:47 PM CDT
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I get so tired of republicans using
the term ‘liberal media.’ It so easy, so pat and so dismissive. What an easy way to discount anything that’s reported by saying it’s coming from the ‘liberal media.’ Sure the NYT has a liberal bent just like Fox and the Wall Street Journal have a conservative one. Try forming an argument for a change. Are you saying that Republicans don’t have attack mechanisms at their disposal? Tell the John McCain in South Carolina in 2000 that.
by jcAustin on
Sep 2, 2008 10:39 PM CDT
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first off
if you deny that the media is liberal I dont want to bother talking with you. Second off all I stated was that the liberal media allows obama to not attack her while the media does it for her. Do you actually disagree with taht statement? You’re talking about attack mechanisms by the Republicans…I have no idea what you’re talking about. I made a simple statement and you’re talking about something entirely different.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Sep 2, 2008 11:07 PM CDT
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"liberal" media
is a very limited way of looking at it. I think newspapers are mostly liberal, but tv is more balanced. Radio is downright conservative.
I don’t see the media attacking Palin at all. Do you expect them not to report this stuff? Was the media going light on Obama when all they talked about for a couple weeks was the not-so-reverend J. Wright?
The liberal media label is an outdated half truth.
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by t ball on
Sep 2, 2008 11:55 PM CDT
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out of curiosity.....
which of the major anchors(Brian Williams, Brokaw, Couric, etc) do you think might vote for McCain?
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by red shoe ranger on
Sep 2, 2008 11:59 PM CDT
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No idea.
I don’t watch news show very often. I read most of my news online at various sites and flip around the radio a lot when I’m in the car. I don’t even know who Brian Williams is.
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by t ball on
Sep 3, 2008 12:56 AM CDT
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Then you're out of your element Donnie!
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Sep 3, 2008 1:16 AM CDT
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No, not really
I’ve been following the news for 30 years, since before middle school. I’ve seen plenty of tv news shows. I still watch sometimes, but I really don’t pay much attention to the anchors’ names unless they seem really obnoxious. And since I also read a lot online bias isn’t hard to spot. I get my news from many sources and read op eds from both sides of the aisle.
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by t ball on
Sep 3, 2008 1:29 AM CDT
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And who in the hell
is Donnie?
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by t ball on
Sep 3, 2008 1:34 AM CDT
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Big Lebowski reference, I'm thinking
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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Sep 3, 2008 1:49 AM CDT
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not entirely different....
Do you think Bush had to do anything but sit back and watch when the Swift-boaters attacked Kerry? Do you deny that Fox News and all Rupert Murdoch owned media is Conservative? If so I don’t want to bother talking to you either. All I’m saying is it’s easy to say the ‘media’ is liberal, it’s totally unprovable because it depends on your point of view, and every time a conservative says that little pat phrase I just shut down.
by jcAustin on
Sep 3, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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who has attacked her because of the family thing?
would like to see a link to this
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by ab03 on
Sep 2, 2008 10:40 PM CDT
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Okay

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Sep 3, 2008 1:19 AM CDT
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Uh
yeah, that’s a respectable news source. Is this the bias you spoke of? I hope you’re joking. Supermarket checkout fodder just doesn’t count for much and probably isn’t being counted on by the McCain campaign to sway Hilary supporters.
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by t ball on
Sep 3, 2008 1:31 AM CDT
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It was a joke....
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on
Sep 3, 2008 2:36 AM CDT
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ummm
you do know the guy who owns that mag is a big time contributor to Obama, right?
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by Longhorn on
Sep 3, 2008 9:30 AM CDT
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Of course he is
the liberals control all media.
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by t ball on
Sep 3, 2008 12:56 PM CDT
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atleast you aknowledge this.
that’s good.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
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by Longhorn on
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lame.
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by ivysafety39 on
Sep 3, 2008 5:17 PM CDT
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Magazines don't normally go to press this quickly
It doesn’t look like a daily and I don’t even think a weekly would have that yet. Where did you get it?
by Black Francis on
Sep 3, 2008 1:33 AM CDT
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It's Us Weekly.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
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Sep 3, 2008 1:38 AM CDT
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Reputable rag that one.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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Sep 3, 2008 1:50 AM CDT
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For Real...
CNN – John Roberts
“The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child.”
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2008/08/29/cnn-s-john-roberts-palin-might-neglect-her-disabled-infant
Washington Post – Sally Quinn
“Is she prepared for the all-consuming nature of the job? She is the mother of five children, one of them a four-month-old with Down Syndrome. Her first priority has to be her children. When the phone rings at three in the morning and one of her children is really sick what choice will she make?”
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/sally_quinn/2008/08/sarah_polin.html
Good Morning America – Bill Weir
“Adding to the brutality of a national campaign, the Palin family also has an infant with special needs. What leads you, the Senator, and the Governor to believe that one won’t affect the other in the next couple of months?”
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2008/08/30/abc-anchor-impugns-sarah-palin-neglectful-mother
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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I think
You are exaggerating with “attacked”. None of those are vicious statements, but genuine points that are being raised. Do I agree with all of them? Not particularly, but then again I don’t have to churn out article after article on the same four subjects.
Old war wound. Acts up around morons.
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Sep 3, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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I don't see this as much different
as the circus that surrounded Obama and Rev Wright.
The media isn’t particularly biased, they just want to go 24/7 with any story they think has legs, for ratings and money. Gotta fill the column inches and burn the segments somehow.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
"JD is a great GM if you ignore the giving away pitching and handing out horrible contract stuff."-Tricer
by DJCahill on
Sep 3, 2008 10:30 AM CDT
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Are you kidding?
These people are questioning her leadership skills because she has children. Why don’t we ever hear that about male candidates? It’s a pathetic double-standard that the liberal media is resorting to. It’s embarrassing.
This isn’t anything like Rev Wright at all. Are you joking or serious about that? I honesty hope you’re joking.
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Sep 3, 2008 12:40 PM CDT
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Well
I thought Edwards was showing horrible judgment by running for President when his wife had cancer and he had little children at home.
by brettgardner on
Sep 3, 2008 12:42 PM CDT
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Who was the last Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate
to have a newborn? Granted, its probably her grandkid, but if they are gonna go with the story that its her kid, its open for speculation.
Believe it or not, its kind of a new deal, and kind of newsworthy.
There is already reason to question her parenting, with her apparently out of control teenager.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
"JD is a great GM if you ignore the giving away pitching and handing out horrible contract stuff."-Tricer
by DJCahill on
Sep 3, 2008 12:48 PM CDT
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"Granted, its probably her grandkid"
We don’t want or need any of your Dailykos liberal bullshit around here.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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Sep 3, 2008 1:01 PM CDT
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amen to that
its a terrible day when that sewage cooked up over at Daily Kooks has begun to spread to other parts of the interweb.
how fucking retarded do you have to be to cook up a conspiracy theory that her newborn son is actually her daughter’s child and she’s covering up for her. Seriously? So its just a vast right wing conspiracy that managed to pay off the doctors and forge a birth certificate and fake her pregnancy at the National Governor’s Association meeting.
You lose all credibility, not that you had any to begin with, when you come spouting garbage conspiracy theories like that. What a fucking nut you are.
Seriously..DJCahill… get off your knees and take Keith Olberman’s meat out of your mouth.
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Sep 3, 2008 2:51 PM CDT
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Just wondering
Why do politics make you so angry?
by brettgardner on
Sep 3, 2008 2:52 PM CDT
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its not politics
that make me angry. its the continuous revelation that there exist people in this world that are incapable of logical and rational thought.
seriously, to think that humankind has sunk to such a level that there are individuals that are unable to distinguish between delusion and reality is sadly frustrating.
i dont mind opposing viewpoints. I gladly welcome dialogue from both sides, liberal or conservative. but extremism on either side, especially to the point of complete and utter fantasy for the pure purpose of propaganda, is despicable and should be derided as such whenever present.
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Sep 3, 2008 2:58 PM CDT
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Why?
Why does it affect you at all?
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id argue
that it affects us all. extremism is good for no one. extremist viewpoints are not founded on rational thought. the idea that my daily life can be affected, through actions taken by the federal government, based irrational thoughts is frightening to me.
if someone’s delusional propaganda, such as that of the Kos’ cooked up idea regarding Mrs. Palin’s newborn son, were to potentially have a serious impact on the election, leading to the election of one candidate over another, Id argue that my life could be very much affected.
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Sep 3, 2008 3:04 PM CDT
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Explain how this is comparable to Rev Wright
at all?
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Completely unacceptable
Your comment, “Granted, its probably her grandkid, but if they are gonna go with the story that its her kid, its open for speculation.” Falls off the scale of acceptability IMO. That horrible lie demeans parents everywhere and should NOT be open for speculation.
I believe that hate filled lie about Palin is what really gets decent people upset about the media coverage of her to date.
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Sep 4, 2008 8:43 PM CDT
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Rev Wright
was not covered by abc, cbs, nbc, msnbc…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
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Were you not paying attention?
Probably not.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
"JD is a great GM if you ignore the giving away pitching and handing out horrible contract stuff."-Tricer
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yes
where you? I’m guessing you were watching only fox news…because it was not covered on all the networks.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
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Yes, it was.
The talked about Wright on ABC, NBC, CBS, and even CNN, you dolt.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
"JD is a great GM if you ignore the giving away pitching and handing out horrible contract stuff."-Tricer
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wow
you really said this..
Granted, its probably her grandkid, but if they are gonna go with the story that its her kid, its open for speculation.
Well, atleast you know that you are one of those far left extremists.
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yeah
he’s nuttier than bat shit. he’s one of the Daily Kooks army. just a mouthpiece for the spread of Markos’ delusions
by 6th street on
Sep 3, 2008 3:06 PM CDT
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definitely not in the way they’re covering Gov. Palin.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
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wrong.
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Sep 3, 2008 5:19 PM CDT
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Wow
you’re completely blinded by your partisanship. Even National Public Radio talked about Wright endlessly, and their shows bleed granola.
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Sep 3, 2008 12:59 PM CDT
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Bleed Granola???
What the fuck are you talking about? I’ll grant you that they slant to the left but they’re one of the few media outfits that take journalism seriously, and will give time to the other side.
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Sep 3, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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I should have said
“and most conservatives accuse them of bleeding granola.”
I’ve been listening to their convention coverage on the way home some nights since I usually work until 8 or 9, and I often catch a bit of news in the morning on the way to work and flip over to CBS radio sometimes. Both seem fair to me.
I think the only major media networks you can really say have much bias are Fox and MSNBC.
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Oh brother ...
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=4745985
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24371963#24374092
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24371963#24374093
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4053980n%3fsource=search_video
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=3942740n%3fsource=search_video
by robert_d_wilfong on
Sep 3, 2008 1:19 PM CDT
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I guess I haven't paid much attention to these threads...
When did the Union/Big Three discussion come up?
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I think that
was in the Obama-Biden thread.
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Not quite
I found the discussion buried in miles’ last fanpost.
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how that discussion turned that way is beyond me...
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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Palin
The Dems, woman libs and far left are afraid of a strong, independent, conservative woman. This election could be won or lost on the speech she give tomorrow night.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
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Sep 2, 2008 8:22 PM CDT
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Hmm?
Why would anybody be “afraid” of that?
Also, how are you so sure she’s any of those things?
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Sep 2, 2008 8:29 PM CDT
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so sure she is independent, strong, conservative?
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Yes.
So far the biggest trump card is that she didn’t abort a baby who’s destined to have an exceedingly difficult and probably terrible life. I’m not sure what that makes someone, or what it qualifies her for.
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Sep 2, 2008 8:33 PM CDT
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do you do research on candidates
or wait to hear their views on the issues via television?
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on
Sep 2, 2008 8:40 PM CDT
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Huh?
Where did I say anything about her “issues”? I know you think you’re hot political shit, but you’re not the only person in the world enlightened enough to read about this.
by brettgardner on
Sep 2, 2008 8:42 PM CDT
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huh?
it was just a simple question. how hard is it to answer that…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on
Sep 2, 2008 8:43 PM CDT
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I don't
Really watch t.v. for anything.
Satisfied?
by brettgardner on
Sep 2, 2008 8:44 PM CDT
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...destined to have an exceedingly difficult and probably terrible life
What?
Sure many teen pregnancies lead to problems for the child… but in this case the kid will be the grandchild of at minimum the governor of Alaska and possibly the vice president. I think with that support system even if her daughter didn’t get married the child will have a nice life.
That’s not to say that teen pregnancies are a good thing, but let’s just be realistic.
by TRanger on
Sep 2, 2008 8:42 PM CDT
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It?
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on
Sep 2, 2008 8:44 PM CDT
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I don't have
To personalize my pronouns.
by brettgardner on
Sep 2, 2008 8:46 PM CDT
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he or she
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
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definately 1 of those 2.
you are correct.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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Palin's baby...
not the teenagers.
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I believe...
…he was talking about Sarah Palin’s baby, the one she had after she was 40 and he/she ended up with Down’s Syndrome (there’s a greater risk for Downs when “older” women have children).
by Black Francis on
Sep 2, 2008 8:45 PM CDT
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It makes her a mother
who loves her child unconditionally.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
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Sep 2, 2008 10:31 PM CDT
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Yeah, I feel pretty
safe in saying that Palin loves all her children unconditionally.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Sep 2, 2008 11:25 PM CDT
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Again
Why? Because she didn’t abort them? I’m not saying she does or doesn’t, but how do you know?
by brettgardner on
Sep 2, 2008 11:29 PM CDT
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Go chase your own tail, liberal puke.
Palin loves all her children, end of story.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Sep 2, 2008 11:36 PM CDT
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every time
I visit LSB you’ve found a new chew toy……or are recycling an old one.
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by red shoe ranger on
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“she didn’t abort a baby who’s destined to have an exceedingly difficult and probably terrible life.”
Why would you assume that his life would probably be terrible?
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Sep 2, 2008 10:46 PM CDT
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He has
Down’s syndrome, a mother who’s running to become even busier than she already is, and a father who races snowmobiles. You really think that’s the life of luxury?
by brettgardner on
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I never said he would live a life of luxury . . .
just asked why you would assume that a child with Down Syndrome would automatically “probably (have a) terrible life”. Feel free to answer the question.
by Randy Richardson on
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I believe I did.
Down’s syndrome is a terrible condition, in case you weren’t aware. I can only imagine how one gets through life with that condition with “normal” parents (i.e. ones who are there to provide you with the tremendous amount of attention required).
It makes me shudder to think of the selfishness of a woman who would not only have a baby in her forties, when risks for conditions such as Down’s syndrome multiply tremendously, but then abandon the baby to an infanthood of “half-mothering”, where she campaigns day and night, and if she gets what she wants, works a long-hour, high-stress job, which doubtless pays less than she could get elsewhere.
Yes, I’ve met and dealt with several people who have Down’s syndrome. Some of them were better than others, but it’s a heartbreaking condition, I assure you. Nobody I’ve met is “happy”. It’s a constant struggle, and it requires the constant attention and care of loving parents. I fail to see how this baby will get that.
by brettgardner on
Sep 2, 2008 11:28 PM CDT
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you clearly
have something personal against Palin. That’s fine, I don’t really care what you think about her. Down Syndrome is a terrible condition, but it doesn’t follow that people with Down Syndrome lead terrible lives. It’s difficult, it’s a challenge, and it’s not “normal” or “perfect”, but I would never call their lives universally terrible.
by Randy Richardson on
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I don't
Have anything “personal” against her. Don’t know her at all. I just know what she’s doing, and I have some idea of the needs of children with Down’s syndrome.
I never called their lives universally terrible, but I feel safe saying that it’s probable.
It seems you have nothing to base your opinion off of except your opposition to me. That’s pretty weak.
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Well, that’s my point, you shouldn’t feel safe saying their lives are “terrible” and that they are not “happy”. Besides your anecdotal evidence, there is nothing out there that suggests they lead “terrible” lives. Anyway, how exactly do you measure terrible and happy? Compared to you? Compared to a slum child in India?
by Randy Richardson on
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Compared to
People without Down’s syndrome. Your relativism falls very flat here.
I’m not sure I see the difference between the agony of needing 24 hour care just to stave off death, and 24 hour struggle to feed yourself in a less-developed country.
What’s more, you’ve missed a key point I made regarding this specific baby, not a universal proclamation of all children with the condition.
I said THIS baby is going to have it bad because of the tragic circumstances of his family.
by brettgardner on
Sep 3, 2008 12:15 AM CDT
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you should
limit yourself to two sentences or less…..
anymore than that and your fraudulent intellectualism becomes painfully obvious.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on
Sep 3, 2008 12:20 AM CDT
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Well
I’ve never claimed to be an intellectual, so I’ll stick with my method. Thanks, though.
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Sep 3, 2008 12:21 AM CDT
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I actually prefer him
when he posts more than two sentences.
Then, I can try and understand where he’s coming from.
But then again, I like to listen to other’s people opinions and try to understand them.
Especially, if they have some depth as Brett seems to offer here. I don’t necessarily agree with his opinion, but it’s nice to at least discuss it.
It’s better than the utter banality of going “You’re stupid”, “No, you’re stupid”, “No, YOU’RE stupid!”
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"Tragic circumstances of his family?"
It’s not like he fucked up Bill Richardson’s bid to be the Democratic nominee.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
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what are you referring to when you say “the agony of needing 24 hour care just to stave off death”?
Also, I fail to see anything tragic about the circumstances of this family.
by Randy Richardson on
Sep 3, 2008 12:22 AM CDT
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Then I
Feel sorry for you. The mother is going to be away from home for large amounts of time. If she wins, she’ll be all across the country and all across the world. That’s pretty sad to me.
Still, you’ve produced nothing to prove your point. Doubt does not make a valid claim by itself.
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Sep 3, 2008 12:23 AM CDT
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do you
believe that those with Down Syndrome wish to have never been born?
On a broader scale do most people leading downtrodden lives wish they had not been born?
Have you ever heard an adult who grew up in “tragic” circumstances declare that they wish their mother would have aborted them?
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on
Sep 3, 2008 12:31 AM CDT
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I know
On your first question, I’ve heard it myself. It’s admittedly anecdotal evidence, but there’s your answer.
To quickly dismiss with the rest of your gibberish, “downtrodden” is not the same thing as “severally disabled”. We’re not talking about poverty or race issues here.
by brettgardner on
Sep 3, 2008 12:33 AM CDT
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says
the guy who went to Texas Tech
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
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Sep 3, 2008 10:25 AM CDT
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Huh?
Are you able to read?
I just said that I’m not an intellectual because I misspelled a basic word.
Jesus.
by brettgardner on
Sep 3, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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Also
How pathetic is the school swipe? Don’t you have anything better than that?
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Sep 3, 2008 10:35 AM CDT
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are they incappable
of suicide? It seems you are suggesting that it would be warranted given their condition.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on
Sep 3, 2008 12:37 AM CDT
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Now I don't feel
Quite so bad after that little gem.
Anyway, the sad truth is many are incapable of forming those kinds of thoughts. Some have a lot of functionability and are capable of a surprising amount, but I’ve suggested nowhere that I think suicide is the best solution. The best solution is good and dedicated parenting.
I know you love to hound me, but you should try a little understanding in this case.
by brettgardner on
Sep 3, 2008 12:40 AM CDT
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harsh as it
sounded it was a serious question. There are many things that I see others have to go through that I think to myself I would never have the strength for….yet it seems if the only alternative is death most choose life(even if us “healthy” ones wouldn’t consider what they are doing as "living").
……and I do love to hound you, although “the worst poster here” bit still kinda hurts.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on
Sep 3, 2008 12:46 AM CDT
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If it
Makes you feel any better, you’ve moved up on my depth chart.
I’ve got mai holding the clipboard now.
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Sep 3, 2008 12:48 AM CDT
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I haven't come
across any of mai’s work……I’ll be on the lookout.
He/she better at least be a faux intellect with a spare degree from a state school with the gravitas to take on the uber-intelligent lawyers on this board.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on
Sep 3, 2008 12:54 AM CDT
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The
Faux-intellect label. I don’t get it. Care to explain?
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I was
“characterizing” my role in these arguments…..me the faux intellect with the spare degree…..you the uber-intelligent lawyer.
Bottom line: I’m generally in over my head from the get go, but I sincerely enjoy the sport of arguing and so I engage in it even when it may be to my detriment.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
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Sep 3, 2008 1:05 AM CDT
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Oh
I thought you were talking about me.
I have a spare degree from a state school, too. Wait—didn’t you go to Tech? We should be embracing, not bickering.
by brettgardner on
Sep 3, 2008 1:07 AM CDT
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TT
of course I always grew up wanting to go to UT but followed my highschool girlfriend to school…..always a smart move.
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by red shoe ranger on
Sep 3, 2008 1:16 AM CDT
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I’m in law school myself, so does that give me any additional gravitas to take on the “uber-intelligent” lawyers?
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Sep 3, 2008 1:04 AM CDT
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Half the time
I think you’re just arguing to practice being a lawyer. The other half I think your argumentative nature makes you a natural lawyer.
O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.
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Sep 3, 2008 1:21 AM CDT
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The problem...
is that arguing doesn’t make one an effective lawyer, it’s just makes you a pain the ass. Lawyers don’t want to work with people who are contentious pricks.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
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Sep 3, 2008 1:28 AM CDT
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Well
I find this forum to be a natural place for debate. I certainly don’t start arguments all the time in “real life”. In fact, I don’t even talk very much.
In any case, I don’t “practice” anything here. I just have fun, which is something I think a lot of people could stand to have more of on here.
by brettgardner on
Sep 3, 2008 7:08 AM CDT
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pLuS
OnE
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by red shoe ranger on
Sep 3, 2008 7:10 AM CDT
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coach is proud of you.....
last one to leave, first to arrive….
Is 4 hours of sleep the norm?
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on
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Pretty much
Though I think it was more like 5. Lots of work to be done and time to be wasted.
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Don't feel sorry for me.
I think as you get older you’ll find that you’ll judge people less for the personal and life decisions that they make. It’s her life, not yours.
As to proving my point, I’m not trying to prove anything. Although, I dare you to go into a maternity ward in some hospital and tell the parents of a newborn with Down Syndrome that his/her life will “probably be terrible.” Once again, their lives are difficult and not full of the opportunities that you may have in life, but “terrible” was a very poor choice of words.
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No, it wasn’t. It seems that with your vast amount of life experience, you’ve still got a lot to learn yourself. It IS a terrible condition, and I don’t think I need to shelter some hypothetical mother from my opinion.
But of course, there are a lot of aggressive actions I wouldn’t take to get my opinion heard. That’s a silly thing to say.
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I don't understand about this...
We don’t know what the circumstances of the conception were. She very possibly had an unplanned pregnancy in her 40’s leading to a child with Down’s syndrome. But even still, I don’t think that to say that someone with a handicap is likely to lead a “terrible” life is a bit much.
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Sep 3, 2008 12:09 AM CDT
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ask nate silver
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-compassionate-conservative.html
about her views…
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Here's a way to be less partisan.
Try to put the shoe on the other foot once in a while. If you find out a piece of information, or hear a quote, or read about a policy proposal, from one candidate — pretend it came from the other candidate and check your baggage.
We are all guilty of confirmation bias to a certain degree and react differently based solely on party affiliation. Taking my suggestion gives you a quick way to see if you’re merely reacting out of bias or if you really feel that way about the issue. This requires you to be brutally honest with yourself, difficult.
Example: If one of the candidates gave a speech tomorrow saying they would have the troops out of Iraq by 2010, would you feel differently if it came from McCain instead of Obama?
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Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
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Are you addressing me or the group?
I do try to do that. Being a PSCI major at my school with my professors, I absolutely had to look at things from all possible angles. It was good training. When I worked on the Bradley campaign part of my job for a time was opposition research, and part of it was actually to try to dig up stuff on Bradley himself in case Gore or Bush got to it first. When you work on the losing end of a primary run, it’s a pretty big wake up call. You get disillusioned with your own party and the whole process in general. It would force any intelligent person’s mind wide open if it wasn’t already.
That said, there is a time for partisan politics. There’s strength in numbers, after all. However I wish there weren’t so many one-liners and vitriol in general.
I like to believe I can disagree with anyone and be civil, and I like to believe that other people can and will, too.
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where do/did you go to school?
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by knockoutking on
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North Texas
Some of the professors in my department were really amazing. I had two favorites who were complete opposites: one hardcore Democratic activist, and a Libertarian who used to work the Mediterranean desk at CIA, oddly enough.
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I forgot to say
I also spent a quarter at Cal State LA, and it wasn’t all that enlightening.
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OT: UNT
I went to UNT and took a PSCI class as an elective. Political Theory from Socrates to Machievelli if I remember correctly. I had to take it twice (the first time I failed it and other classes due to personal reasons) and I had two extremely different professors for the same class.
The first one (Berry?) was extremely confrontational who really dug Tocqueville and the second was your typical absent minded professor who really loved the books he was teaching. I learned a lot more the second time because I responded better to the absent minded professor better then the other guy.
From what I could tell, there was a pretty good amount of diversity amongst the faculty, at least in the PSCI department.
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i really wish Bradley had won that primary
I probably would have voted for him. I’ve seen him speak in person…went in skeptical and came out a believer. I have and read “The New American Story”…pretty good read.
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He had a lot of money
…but I guess when you hire people like me you’re begging to lose an election.
In reality he was running against an incumbent and most (not all) of the Democratic establishment lined up behind Gore. Bradley’s a very good man, though, and would’ve made a much better President than either Gore or Bush, in my opinion. Not particularly telegenic, not an energetic speaker…lots of stuff went against him. Funny thing is, money was never a problem in that campaign, even when running against an anointed successor. I guess there were more than a few people who liked him.
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agree wholeheartedly about Gore/Bush
Bradley just came across as if he understood the issues and solutions that were out there, rather than memorizing angles around the issues.
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Not addressing you, BF
Just commenting on how easy it is to tell someone’s leanings from how they react/defend/attack an issue. The right wing nuts are saying Palin is the best thing since sliced bread, the lefty commies say she is less qualified than hurlerhurley, for example. The truth is usually somewhere in between.
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i think it's becoming more and more clear
that the mccain campaign didn’t research palin before choosing her, and really kind of blew it.
some points with no clear reason or order:
we know mccain picked her because she’s a woman. but why not somebody more qualified like elizabeth dole? even kay baily hutchison (though i guess she’s not pro-life enough).
i think as time goes by women will be more and more insulted by this pick.
he met her once.
he lost his best argument against obama. by picking her as VP he is saying that she’s ready to be president. if he died a month into his presidency, she is capable to be president. bullshit. obama has more experience than her, mccain can no longer bash obama.
obama’s campaign sent people to look at newspaper archives in alaska (not available online) the newspaper (or is it library) say that they are the only ones to do this. what does this mean? mccain didn’t look into her.
did he really know that her daughter is pregnant? palin preaches abstinence only education, did it work?
i hope that there isn’t a big push by conservatives, or hypocritical liberals to say that she has a daughter that needs her more than ever and a handicapped kid, she needs to stay at home.
this whole thing about her allegedly fireing her head of public safety for not doing her personal bidding and then citing executive priviledge in the face of subpeonas reeks of more of the same bushism.
let’s hope that the 20 year old DUI for her husband doesn’t get lotsa national attention, becuase that’s old and doesn’t matter.
biden will destroy her in the debate. the question i have about the debates is this: will he be seen as picking on an innocent weak woman? or if she’s strong will she be called a “bitch” like hillary was?
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
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by gossamer on
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where did you get this information from?
please don’t say you saw it on tv…
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by Longhorn on
Sep 2, 2008 8:38 PM CDT
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What information?
And most people have to rely on news sources of some kind. We can’t all be snoopy reporters.
by brettgardner on
Sep 2, 2008 8:39 PM CDT
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yes
but watching and listening to bias news sources skews your opinion.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
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Sep 2, 2008 8:45 PM CDT
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it’s just amazing how many facts are out there on these candidates. Too bad they are cherrypicked by the media for their personal agendas…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on
Sep 2, 2008 8:50 PM CDT
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How about that Google Chrome...
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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That doesn't make sense.
Google is a search engine. It doesn’t have any information itself.
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Sep 2, 2008 9:51 PM CDT
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So Google
only gives you unbiased results?
And you’re not smart enough to watch a tv report and take it with a grain of salt? Fox is right, MSNBC is left, watch either with a salt shaker.
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Sep 3, 2008 12:02 AM CDT
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stats don't lie
look it up, and quit getting brainwashed.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on
Sep 3, 2008 9:24 AM CDT
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Who is brainwashed?
I have criticized both candidates and try to be objective. You’re just a shill.
And stats don’t lie? That’s patently ridiculous. Stats can be massaged to show just about anything.
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speaking of it
did we ever find out who miles cincy source was?
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what information
are you specifically asking about?
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
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The problem with KBH
is that she is a bush loyalist, which really doesn’t help with McCain’s image as I’m not like this guy.
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There's that
…and supposedly she and McCain do not get along very well at all.
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and evidently she wants to be be texas gov as well
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which she should be in line to get at the next term
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Abstinence only education...
No more or less effective than birth control education…
http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/abstinence_only_education_no_b.php
I don’t see the daughter’s pregnancy as particularly damaging.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
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the NY times reported today
that the mccain campaign folks arrived on thursday to for the final part of the vetting process. the announcement had to come friday morning. that doesnt sound very thorough to me. the whole thing felt rushed which i found surprising b/c both candidates had so long to narrow and vet their choices.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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You don't think
that running for, and winning, the Governors seat in Alaska was a vetting process?
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by RangerMad on
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No.
Not on a national stage. Of course not.
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agreed
its nothing like the vetting process of an uncontested Senate seat……
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You're right.
And I know that wasn’t your intention.
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Sarcasm
was intended……AND I was right.
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Prediction:
Sarah Eagleton steps aside within 2 weeks for Pawlenty. And McCain-Pawlenty get landslided in November.
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Wow
Now that’s a gutsy prediction! And these days a pretty obscure McGovern reference.
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at this point...
…in comparison to all of the things that are coming to light, it would almost be a positive development if it were revealed that she underwent electroshock therapy. At least it would give the GOP a way out of this debacle they created by not vetting Palin. I almost feel sorry for them. Almost.
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Hmm...
I still don’t really see anything terribly damaging, here.
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really? hahahaha. ok
It has now been only three (THREE!!!) days since McCain nominated her to be his veep. In those scant 72 hours, it has been unearthed that she advocates Alaska seceding from the union, she is involved in an abuse of power scandal, she has only been a governor for 18 months, before that she was the part-time mayor of a 6,700 person town named Wasilla, while she was mayor of Wasilla she absolutely botched an eminent domain deal that ended up costing the town $1,375,000 more than it should have, she has Abramoff ties (wow, THAT just screams “reformer”, doesn’t it?), she doesn’t know what the Vice President actually does every day, her 17 year old daughter is now 5 months pregnant and is keeping the baby with the shotgunned father, she supported windfall taxes on oil companies before she was against them, she supports censoring library books, promoting creationism is one of her major passions, she knows nothing about the war in Iraq (hey, at least this is something she and McCain have in common), and she and her husband were cited by the state government for not operating their business within the law. If this is what has surfaced with the national spotlight on her and her family in just 3 short days, can you imagine what will be discovered over the course of the next 63?
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Probably not much to really...
do a whole lot to the election.
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this lack of a proper vetting...
…speaks directly to McCain’s inability to stray from his cavalier approach to politics.
He’s not a maverick, he’s a reckless gambler.
Whether or not it affects the outcome of the election is yet to be seen, but I’m of the opinion that the bounce you’re seeing in the polls today is a direct result of Palin’s nomination.
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I guess we'll see...
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Eagleton Reference
I don’t think what you posted above is enough, but like you say it’s only been a few days. Now if things get a lot worse then I think your Eagleton comparison might have legs.
The GOP argument against McGovern was that because he couldn’t even select a VP, there was no way he himself was qualified to be President.
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yeah, that was just all around stupid.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
by Longhorn on
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go ahead and dispute any of those items where I'm off-base
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well
are you concerned that there is a presidential candidate with associations with radicals like Rev. Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Meeks?
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
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since...
…you’re not going to dispute the facts about Palin, I’ll answer your question.
I’m concerned about his ties to Rezko. But nobody has proven that Obama got any sort of sweetheart deal. Obama paid market price for his portion of the land.
The Wright connections were tenuous and silly from the start—people don’t just leave a church because they don’t agree with their preachers.
And the Meeks tie is even less relevant than Wright.
The Ayers connection is tenuous at best as well. Obama met Ayers 30 years after Ayers’s bombings: http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/27300424.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUvDE7aL_V_BD77:DiiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
Their association is tenuous at best.
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What?!
“The Wright connections were tenuous and silly from the start—people don’t just leave a church because they don’t agree with their preachers.”
Yes, they do.
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Obama could have gone two ways in the Rev Wright issue: He could have admitted that he wasn’t really active in the church and was only there because that is where influential black community activists meet. Or he could have renounced his affiliation with Wright.
He chose the later and that was probably the wiser move based on the primary polls at the time the issue surfaced.
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Don't bother asking Longhorn
to refute anything. He can only parrot GOP bullet points, not actually engage in a reasoned debate.
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by t ball on
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right
mr. subjectivity over here who has no idea what he’s talking about.
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno
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We're still waiting
For anything of substance from you. I’d love to see you pick an issue and write out your specific opinion on it.
Old war wound. Acts up around morons.
by TheBZA on
Sep 3, 2008 9:26 AM CDT
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He only has one opinion
Anyone who disagrees with him is an idiot.
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by t ball on
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obama?
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by knockoutking on
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Rants don't count
If he as a particular issue with Obama’s platform,with a well thought out argument against it, sure. I’d be thrilled to hear it.
Old war wound. Acts up around morons.
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it's not hard really
weak against defense, no experience, pro-abortion, associations with known terrorists and the biggest morons in the world…
i mean, that’s fact. if you want explanations on what each issue is, look it up…
"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
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Lame, pathetic
You just make a list as if that is a well thought out argument. You really are incapable of presenting details on WHY you think he’s weak against defense (should he be strong against defense?), for example.
What specific Obama policy proposals regarding defense are you against? He wants to give veterans a lot more help when they return home, is that bad? He wants to reenergize the Afghanistan effort, is that bad? He wants to pull the troops out of Iraq — which is in accordance with the Iraqi government’s request, is that bad?
What specific policy proposals of McCain’s do you support and why?
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I think some things to consider are
that even knowing what he knows now, he still wouldn’t support the surge. That’s something that bothers me a lot.
I also don’t think his stance in regard to diplomacy with Iran is a good one. I don’t think he should add legitimacy to a leader who calls for the destruction of Israel, an American ally.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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I would stand and applaud
if Longhorn would post something like that just once. Imagine, an entire paragraph without once resorting to demagoguery.
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by t ball on
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I don't think this is a one-sided thing
though, I think it works both ways. As a Republican I encounter it a lot.
As a Republican I have noticed that a lot of people just don’t know anything about politics yet still hold political views. On several occasions I have had discussions with people who claim to dislike Bush and they usually resort to saying “he’s stupid”. I understand why people would dislike Bush but I find it amazing just to listen to people sometimes who have opinions and can’t back them up at all. It makes them look so ridiculous.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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I agree wholeheartedly
I pick on Longhorn just because he rarely posts more than 10 words no matter the topic, yet he is so insistent that he’s right. He’s like a doll with a string, no matter what you say, the doll only has a few short phrases to reply.
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by t ball on
Sep 3, 2008 2:07 PM CDT
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Dude,
Don’t feed the trolls.
I started ignoring Longhorn (like Sharky) back when we were on the ESPN boards.
I’ve never seen him post one coherent argument that defends his point.
And there have been times I agreed with him, but he STILL didn’t post any substantive reason or support for his arguments.
The essence of a troll.
R
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Sep 4, 2008 6:30 AM CDT
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He's not smart enough
to be a troll. He’s just lame.
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by t ball on
Sep 4, 2008 7:27 AM CDT
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Since when
have trolls been smart?
Have they evolved since I last talked to one?
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though
he supported a surge in Afghanistan long ago, when McCain was already calling that war a major success. Obama has consistently called Iraq a distraction in the real war on terror, since his famous speech in 2002. he has said he would go into Pakistan to go after bin laden. and whether you think that’s a good idea or not, i can’t see how he could be considered “soft” on defense. there’re only so many resources to go around.
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Why are you pro-life? Why is his defense policy weak?
I know the issues, I’m trying to get you to elaborate on your opinion. You’re no better than Sharky, spouting off repetitive one liners and refuse to follow up on genuine inquiries.
Old war wound. Acts up around morons.
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but you forgot her pork-barrel connnection
in which as mayor of Wasila pop. around 5000, she hired a lobbying group to win $26M in federal funds for the town.
what kinda big government low tax shit is that?
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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and how she was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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yeah...
…those pale in comparison to the other things. And my fingers were getting tired from all the typing. :)
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GOP a way out of this debacle they created by not vetting Palin
Are you paid by the Dems or do you just pass along their talking points for free?
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I am an ardent Obama supporter...
…who sees things for what they are. I’m clearly not objective, but I’m not stating anything that isn’t clear as day in front of everyone to see for themselves.
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If you were truly objective
you would see that your statement is very contradictory.
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by RangerMad on
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point out where I'm spinning anything in the above paragraph with links...
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a few things
You are mixing in commentary with your links yet you claim to be objective. Do you believe everything you read? Really, the Huffington Post. It would be nice if Obama had undergone the same scrutiny as Palin.
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by RangerMad on
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really?
you think obama has undergone less scrutiny?
i guess you believe in a burbank moon landing as well
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by ab03 on
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Yeah
I don’t get that argument at all.
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So you are
saying that the press is not biased towards Obama?
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by RangerMad on
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I believe the inference above is that
Obama was vetted by the Clinton machine which is very similar in its tactics to the Republican machine.
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How is the press biased
towards Obama? The press talked about Wright for weeks, and dutifully reported Michelle Obama’s supposed lack of patriotism.
People need to stop pretending the media favors either candidate. Any dirt that comes out about either one is going to be breaking news on every news channel, newspaper website, political blog, and talk radio show. Every stupid detail gets analyzed to death by the ten million talking heads out there trying to shout each other down in favor of their own party.
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HRC makes me puke every time I see her
but it was clear to me that she didn’t get a fair shake from the media during the primarys.
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The sexism
in the coverage of both her and Palin amazes me. I think you could make a much better argument that the media treated Obama better than they did Clinton than you can for them treating Obama differently from McCain.
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re: "It would be nice if Obama had undergone the same scrutiny as Palin."
He’s been under some heavy-ass scrutiny since at least December or January. The heaviest.
Are you somehow unaware of this?
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
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my whackjob inlaws
are always emailing me crap about how Obama is a Muslim intent on destroying the US, that his brith certificate is fake, and how he’s the anti Christ (my fav, by the way). you mean that kind of scrutiny?
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Yeah, I get that
from my brother. At least a half dozen defamatory EMails a day on Obama.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
"I just hope enough dumb oversexed over self-esteemed American public educated female liberals (yeah, you know the type) vote for a woman because she has a vagina, to swing some things."- Sharky.
"JD is a great GM if you ignore the giving away pitching and handing out horrible contract stuff."-Tricer
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Its my father for me
Old war wound. Acts up around morons.
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the problem is that multiple news reports are supporting his claims
and even though he sounds like a democratic strategist, the news reports are numerous.
PS: Shouldnt All the Right WIngers Be Watching the RNC instead of arguing details with liberals? this is the moment of platforms being placed out for public consumption, for seeing the future party leaders. for seeing great moments in party history, not arguing (without merit or source) with opposition.
"I’m sure you’ve seen Kiker before but I’ll just reiterate that the kid is mean on the mound. He is only 5’10’’ but he is an intimidator. He looks like he hates hitters. He has the juice for pressure situations."
-Jason Parks on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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By the way...
…Invesco was ELECTRIC!

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Which one are you?
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in the Obama shirt
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by RangerMoto on
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Which one is you, Moto?
Anyway, this whole “Obama makes my naughty parts go tingly” mystique is baffling to me.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
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Regardless of the reason
the bottom line is that it does. Now the question is, will all of these new individuals involved in politics (who support Obama) go and vote on election day? If so, the GOP might be in big trouble.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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exactly
Last I checked, elections are essentially popularity contests. Whether that popularity is borne out of political agreement or simply fandom is largely irrelevant
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Sep 2, 2008 8:51 PM CDT
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I disagree
I think most of the time a lot of people hop onto a political bandwagon but don’t actually vote for them. I feel like this time might be different for Obama.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
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this race (before the Palin announcement)...
…in my opinion, was going to come down the ground game (advantage Obama), the youth vote and making sure they do just that (advantage Obama) and the debates (advantage McCain, unless his age/senility are apparent).
This hilarious VP pick just blew all that out of the water.
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the youth vote?
…that is if they actually show up.
since we never have before
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Reminds me of The Simpsons...
when Homer organized the political rally to legalize pot and they all forgot to vote.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
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They did have...
a better showing in ’04, but you are correct they still have a ways to go.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
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Why is the VP pick hilarious?
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Question
Before Friday, if you could scour the country for a potential President, would you really have picked Palin?
I get wanting your side to win, but there’s just not much there on this pick.
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I disagree
I think there is a lot there with the pick.
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