Wednesday a.m. stuff
I was all prepared to talk about how I had mentally geared up for a 10 game losing streak to end the season, and then the Rangers won last night, and ruminate about Hank Blalock's resurgence...
However, the big news today is that Nolan says Jon Daniels and Ron Washington will be back next year.
I'm relieved. I had gone back and forth on what I thought would happen, and figured it was 50/50 or 60/40 as to whether Daniels would return, a little less than that on Washington.
There will be people surprised by this decision. Gil LeBreton writes about that today:
Nolan’s response, no doubt, may surprise some people. The same people who think Washington was over his head when he arrived here in November 2006. The same people who were convinced that Washington was hours from being fired in late-April of this season, when a sudden elixir of Wash’s birthday and a four-game winning streak spared him.
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For a full season, Nolan has watched and, we assume, assessed. Some people expect a purge, of sorts, starting as high as the general manager’s office.
But those, again, are the same people that, for whatever reason — owner Tom Hicks, perhaps? — never liked the idea of hiring Jon Daniels, only six years out of Cornell, as general manager.
"It’s easy to see where we ended up and say, 'We need to go out and make all these changes,’ " Ryan said Tuesday.
But the franchise’s philosophy hasn’t wavered, Nolan said.
"We all agreed that we’re going to develop within our system," he said.
"Development is not a quick fix."
Ryan clearly acknowledges the progress that the Rangers’ farm system has made. Some young players, no doubt, are more major league-ready (Chris Davis) than others (pick a pitcher, any pitcher).
With only today’s game left on the home schedule, attendance has disappointed the front office.
But those who have followed the Rangers’ winding path this season surely have seen the new nucleus of youth that has emerged — from Kinsler to Murphy to Davis and more.
Daniels has been scourged plenty for trading away John Danks, Chris Young and Adrian Gonzalez. But most loyal Rangers fans likely would view a change in general managers as another setback, another flushing of philosophies — and just when the franchise appeared to have finally figured this "player development thing" out.
Ryan, fortunately, isn’t planning to flush anything, at least not down any philosophy bowl.
So there you go.
Hank Blalock was huge yesterday, and his strong finishing kick may force the Rangers' hand in terms of exercising his option next year and deciding what to do with him. I have some thoughts on a possible solution that I'll post later today, time allowing.
Richard Durrett's article in the DMN today touches on Blalock's uncertain future, and also has some quotes from Frank Catalanotto saying that he doesn't know what his role will be next year, but that he's going to work hard and do whatever the team asks and just try to help the team win.
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Adam,
I know how you feel about JD but do you treat the news that Washington is coming back is “good news”?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Sep 24, 2008 9:47 AM CDT 0 recs
And what are your feelings towards
Nolan Ryan right now?
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by Josey Wales on
Sep 24, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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I'm just hoping
he encourages scap loading amongst our prospects.
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by DJCahill on
Sep 24, 2008 9:57 AM CDT
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Yup
I’m scaploading right now.
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by BAC on
Sep 24, 2008 4:18 PM CDT
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Relieved, to an extent
I didn’t want Tim Purpura here.
by Adam J. Morris on
Sep 24, 2008 9:57 AM CDT
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So you're relieved...
…because in your mind it was Tim Purpura or Ron Washington with no other options?
by FuturePants on
Sep 24, 2008 10:15 AM CDT
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why would you think Purpura would be the choice?
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by Longhorn on
Sep 24, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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I think he is saying Washington is better than Pupura.
by FuturePants on
Sep 24, 2008 11:20 AM CDT
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I don't know that it is "bad news"
I can understand the decision to bring him back. I’m not convinced he’s a good manager, though.
by Adam J. Morris on
Sep 24, 2008 9:57 AM CDT
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So you think bringing back a bad manager
is a good thing for this organization?
Do you really like seeing Joaquin Arias hitting lead-off “because he’s the only speed we have”?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Sep 24, 2008 10:01 AM CDT
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Adam, also
what’s your take on Nolan Ryan now? You’ve been very tough on him since he was hired.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Sep 24, 2008 10:01 AM CDT
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I don't know that I've been very tough on him
Other than pointing out something that a lot of folks don’t want to acknowledge — he has no experience, management-wise, on the baseball side of things.
What about you? You seemed pretty confident he was going to clean house.
by Adam J. Morris on
Sep 24, 2008 10:04 AM CDT
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I was confident he would clean house...
…and this decision actually gives me some faith in Ryan’s ability to be President. I can’t say I love bringing RW back, but he needed to hang on to JD.
by FuturePants on
Sep 24, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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Nolan
That’s the thing for me.
Hearing Nolan acknowledge that in-house development isn’t a quick process, that is rich with meaning for me.
Nolan sounds like he gets the big picture. Big relief.
This off-season will be fun to watch, with JD getting the vote of confidence and a full personnel cupboard. Looking forward to that Batlack piece, Adam.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on
Sep 24, 2008 10:23 AM CDT
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I thought Washington was a definite goner
but wasn’t too sure about JD because Hicks wasn’t too anxious to swallow that extension..
JD above all, is a survivalist and knows the corporate game very well. He fell into the job like Forrest Gump, f’d the franchise all up with his incompetence, turned the fans off in record numbers and yet earned a 3 year extension. That’s a skill.
I’m very disappointed in Nolan. I’ve watched Washington & JD very closely and neither one of them know what the f they are doing. They are both really bad at their jobs and the dark clouds of incompetence will remain over this franchise in the off-season.
I have complete respect for Nolan’s his judgment as an executive and in running an organization. He was in baseball in one way or another since he became an adult. Put up what he knows about the game v. JD and it’s not a contest. That said, I don’t understand why he would keep both of them but there’s the outside chance that Nolan’s right and that I’m w…wr…wrrrr…..wrong but I doubt it..
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by Josey Wales on
Sep 24, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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What makes Ryan understand more about the game
…than JD? Because he played for a long time?
by FuturePants on
Sep 24, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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30 years before JD began to
learn how to make a decent jelly donut and a tasty cruller, Nolan was pitching for the Miracle Mets in ’69.
Nolan played the game for 25 years and saw first hand great teams, good teams, average teams, good young teams, bad young teams.
Nolan knows the qualities that a good manager has while JD, obviously, does not.
JD’s tenure as GM has been a colossal failure.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Sep 24, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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What makes Nolan...
…any different from any other player who has been in the game a long time?
I mean, by your theory, is there any reason to believe Nolan knows more than, say, John Kruk?
by Adam J. Morris on
Sep 24, 2008 10:32 AM CDT
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+1
Dusty Baker played 16 seasons and has as many rings as Ryan. He should know some baseball, too. Ask Mark Pryor.
by fds on
Sep 24, 2008 10:33 AM CDT
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Nolan Ryan had a helluva
lot more experience than John Kruk, especially when it comes to identifying major league pitching talent.
Nolan has also run a very successful minor league franchise from soup to nuts while Kruk has been nothing more than a talking head on ESPN.
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by Josey Wales on
Sep 24, 2008 10:50 AM CDT
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Really?
What experience did Ryan have in identifying major league pitching talent?
Really, I think Kruk would be better at it, since he actually had to face pitchers. I’m not sure why Ryan would be an expert in identifying major league pitching talent.
As for running a minor league franchise, that has nothing to do with baseball operations — that has to do with business operations.
by Adam J. Morris on
Sep 24, 2008 10:53 AM CDT
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evaluating talent
as far as i know he took whatever players the astros gave him, no evaluation involved.
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by rentz on
Sep 24, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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Adam, do you believe
didn’t learn anything about judging talent after spending 25 years in The Show?
By your logic of saying that Kruk would be a better judge of pitchers, should Nolan be a better judge of hitters?
That’s ridiculous.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Sep 24, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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I don't know if he learned anything about judging talent or not
He never had to do it, though, and the fact that he played for 25 years doesn’t, in and of itself, make him qualified, IMO.
Do you think Bert Blyleven is as qualified as Ryan to judge pitching talent? Greg Maddux? Roger Clemens? What about Jesse Orosco? Or Steve Carlton?
by Adam J. Morris on
Sep 24, 2008 11:08 AM CDT
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Well...
Isaiah Thomas, Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan were Hall of Famers, and look at their track records as NBA executives…
Playing the sport at a high level does not make one qualified for front office or talent evaluation positions…
by N41D on
Sep 24, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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Not sure but all the pitchers you listed
would be better judges of pitching talent than JD.
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by Josey Wales on
Sep 24, 2008 11:18 AM CDT
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That's not what we are discussing
We are discussing whether those guys are as qualified as Ryan.
Why wouldn’t you be sure? Why wouldn’t those guys be able to judge pitching talent, and determine who is a good manager, just as well as Ryan?
by Adam J. Morris on
Sep 24, 2008 11:19 AM CDT
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YOU are discussing whether or
not those guys are as qualified as Nolan.
To me it doesn’t matter and dumb to follow you down the rabbit hole because they aren’t JD’s boss nor are they in charge of this franchise.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Sep 24, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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JD made a lot of early mistakes
…and continues to make them (Gallaraga), but I do think he is learning and adapting. Some of the pitfalls of an unexperienced GM. Ryan is even more green at President – and any level of executive – than Daniels is/was. At least Daniels had some kind of experience as assistant GM and under that prior to being hired as GM. Ryan has zero experience as any executive except for the loose affiliations he has had with the Astros and Rangers over the last decade or so.
by FuturePants on
Sep 24, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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What moves did JD
make after Ryan was hired?
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by Josey Wales on
Sep 24, 2008 11:27 AM CDT
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And which...
…were dictated by Ryan? None, by all accounts.
by FuturePants on
Sep 24, 2008 11:28 AM CDT
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"f’d the franchise all up with his incompetence"
Yeah I really hate how he absolutely destroyed our farm system. I don’t think we’ll ever make it out of this hole he has created for us.
by rcreative on
Sep 24, 2008 10:23 AM CDT
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Wait
Unsurprisingly, logic is not your strong suit.
“I have complete respect for Nolan’s his judgment as an executive and in running an organization. He was in baseball in one way or another since he became an adult. Put up what he knows about the game v. JD and it’s not a contest.”
So, Papa Bear Nolan, who is the God and Guru of all things baseball, gives JD a vote of full confidence, but JD is still a bumbling fool?
Either you or Papa Bear don’t know what the hell you are talking about.
Hilarious…
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by Brian Thomas on
Sep 24, 2008 10:37 AM CDT
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That's what it is going to come down to
…either Nolan or myself will be right about JD & Washington.
I like my chances.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Sep 24, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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How many years did you play?
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by DaheelzCM on
Sep 24, 2008 10:53 AM CDT
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Hilarious...
used his own bs argument against him. I like it.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Sep 24, 2008 6:10 PM CDT
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Wow.
That’s what they call the cherry on top.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on
Sep 24, 2008 10:58 AM CDT
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Hilarious
You’re betting on yourself to be right over Nolan who you are defending as a smarter more experienced person than JD. So in essence, there is nobody in the Ranger organization smarter or more competent than yourself. I knew you had a bloated view of yourself, but this takes the cake.
Put a Power Point presentation together and go to the Ranger F.O. and blow them away with your expertise and knowledge. I don’t see how they could say no to you….
What's the rumpus?
by Hypo-Luxa on
Sep 24, 2008 11:01 AM CDT
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I'm betting that I'm right
when it comes to judging the competence of Washington & JD and nothing more.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Sep 24, 2008 11:03 AM CDT
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Beat me to it
I owe you a beer…
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on
Sep 24, 2008 11:03 AM CDT
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I'm starting to think you might not be a real person
“Nolan played the game for 25 years and saw first hand great teams, good teams, average teams, good young teams, bad young teams.”
In your own words, that’s your gold standard.
So, essentially, Papa Bear Nolan is the smartest man in baseball not named Josey Wales, who, coincidentally, played about as much baseball as Jon “boy Blunder” Daniels.
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on
Sep 24, 2008 11:03 AM CDT
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The question had to do
with who was better qualified to judge major league talent.
I’d take Nolan’s lifetime of experience over JD’s 5-6 years as an incompetent major league executive.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Sep 24, 2008 11:04 AM CDT
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Somebody should've taught you to quit when you're behind
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on
Sep 24, 2008 11:10 AM CDT
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For saying I think Washington
and JD are incompetent?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Sep 24, 2008 11:20 AM CDT
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Sigh.
No dude. For trying to have it both ways.
Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.
by Brian Thomas on
Sep 24, 2008 11:27 AM CDT
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I like Nolan and thought it was the best
thing Hicks has done in 10 years.
I simply disagree with him bringing back both JD & Wash when it is readily apparent how incompetent they are.
Either Nolan is right on this or I am but that doesn’t my change my feelings about the hiring of Nolan Ryan.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Sep 24, 2008 11:30 AM CDT
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how has this post not been getting all the rec's in the world
One of the greatest things I’ve ever read on the internet.
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by Gdawg1 on
Sep 24, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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f this
f that, f all of you. For a guy that worships the ground Bill James walks on, you sure seem to have some strange fear of saying the f word.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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by Gdawg1 on
Sep 24, 2008 11:47 AM CDT
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So Adam...
After being an attorney for 25-30 years, do you believe that you will be better equipped to interview a potentail associate and look for certain qualities that would make a successful lawyer, better than, say someone who watches Law and Order or Private Practice?
I’m not saying Nolan is the best candidate for President just because he played, but you have to realize that there is quite a bit of utility in experience. I think statistical analysis is the most important aspect of scouting. That said, anyone can read the same stas off of a spreadsheet, there are other things that need to be addressed. Personal dynamics, group dynamics, motivating factors, and a whole list of other unquantifyiable attributes that true sabermatricians believe have no relevance. IMO someone with as much experience as Nolan has is better equipped to evaluate these things than someone without the same kind of experience.
by Topgun22 on
Sep 24, 2008 12:22 PM CDT
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Adam interviewing an associate
Adam’s job and that person’s job are essentially the same. Nolan’s job never involved anything close to any front office job. It’s like thinking that someone who knows how to work on an assembly line knows how to run that company.
by zywica on
Sep 24, 2008 1:54 PM CDT
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But....
“What experience did Ryan have in identifying major league pitching talent?”
— AJM
A job vastly similar to the one Nolan performed for 25-30 years.
by Topgun22 on
Sep 24, 2008 3:39 PM CDT
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Ryan Pitched
Ryan didn’t catch and didn’t hit very much. The bulk of his career was in the AL. So what experience did Ryan have in identifying major league pitching talent? The answer is zero whatsoever.
by FuturePants on
Sep 24, 2008 4:14 PM CDT
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So....
Given my analogy, on defense attorneys know what makes a good prosecutor and only prosecutors know what makes a good defense attorney?
Do you really believe that hitters know more about pitching than pitchers do just because hitters faced pitchers?
That’s absurd.
by Topgun22 on
Sep 24, 2008 5:34 PM CDT
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Being a pitcher
is a very, very different thing from being an attorney. A physically based talent like pitching, singing, gymnastics, etc. is a completely different animal from being an attorney. It’s a bad analogy.
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by t ball on
Sep 24, 2008 5:44 PM CDT
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Of Course...
I’m not saying that the two professions are comparable, just trying to show that there is a benefit to having experience.
OT: It seems to me that a lot of sabermatricians are sensitive to this notion because that’s the #1 argument they are met with from “baseball men”. The old “What do you know, have you ever played the game?” argument. Thus statheads tend to devalue the utility of experience because it is the one part of the analytical process that many of them lack.
by Topgun22 on
Sep 24, 2008 6:40 PM CDT
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My point is simple
I don’t think the fact that one pitched in the majors for 25 years necessarily makes one qualified to evaluate pitching prospects and major league pitchers, implement a development process for nurturing and developing minor league pitchers, or run the baseball side of a major league organization.
by Adam J. Morris on
Sep 24, 2008 6:50 PM CDT
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Right...
But it also doesn’t mean that he’s not qualified to do those things. I don’t think the fact that he played can hurt, so it either helps, or has a zero effect. Either way, it’s hard to say he’s unqualified based on what we’ve seen from him so far.
by Topgun22 on
Sep 24, 2008 6:58 PM CDT
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No one is saying it is hurting him
There are those, however, who say that Ryan is qualified based on having spent 25 years pitching in the majors.
by Adam J. Morris on
Sep 24, 2008 7:02 PM CDT
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Well...
Again, I do believe that there is a fair amount of utility in experience. Surely those 25 years taught him something about pitching mechanics, pitch selection, and strategy that he could look for in young pitchers. Im not saying that alone makes him qualified, but it has to help. Doesn’t it?
by Topgun22 on
Sep 24, 2008 7:05 PM CDT
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Adam has never said
Ryan is unqualified to do any of those things, just that there’s no guarantee that he is. He’s arguing against people making a huge assumption, not making a huge assumption himself.
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by t ball on
Sep 24, 2008 7:03 PM CDT
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If that's the case...
Then we are arguing the same point from two different perspectives.
by Topgun22 on
Sep 24, 2008 7:06 PM CDT
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do you think
that pitching in the majors disqualifies someone from the above, because that is how you come across.
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by tricer on
Sep 24, 2008 7:24 PM CDT
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I just don't
see Adam as coming across that way, which is why I cannot understand people harping on this with him.
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by t ball on
Sep 24, 2008 7:36 PM CDT
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Adam is claiming that John Kruk is
more qualified to judge pitchers than Nolan Ryan if I’m not mistaken…you know, because he actually faced pitchers.
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by Josey Wales on
Sep 24, 2008 10:42 PM CDT
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You are
mistaken, or at the very least twisting what Adam said.
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by t ball on
Sep 25, 2008 8:10 AM CDT
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This is what Adam said...
"What experience did Ryan have in identifying major league pitching talent?
Really, I think Kruk would be better at it, since he actually had to face pitchers"
I didn’t twist anything.
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by Josey Wales on
Sep 25, 2008 8:24 AM CDT
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So he did, my mistake
But why are you talking about that comp and not answering his question about whether Blyleven, Maddux, et al would be better than Ryan? You said none of them are in charge of Daniels, but neither is Kruk? Selective when it suits you.
Ryan may very well be a good judge of pitching talent, but Adam’s position, and mine, is that it’s a fallacy to assume he is just because he was a great pitcher. Anyone can look at a pitcher that is already successful and tell you he’s good. It’s another thing entirely to look at a pitcher still in the minors and say this one or that one will succeed. Even the most qualified and experienced scouts get it wrong, and get it wrong a lot.
As I’ve said before, you want the world to be plain black and white and it just isn’t. Daniels has strengths and weaknesses like any other GM. But he has the organization moving in a healthy direction. Enough so that Ryan seems to believe in it. Only obstinacy explains your position that Daniels is completely worthless.
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by t ball on
Sep 25, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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I didn't answer his questions per
Blyleven, Maddux etc. because it was a useless argumentative rabbit hole and none of the people he referenced are JD’s immediate superior. Let’s deal with the now.
Right now, Nolan Ryan is JD’s immediate superior and he is infinitely more qualified to judge and evaluate major league pitching talent.
This organization is not moving in any direction. This year was the SOS and given Nolan’s comments in this morning’s DMN, I expect the same thing next year as well.
When I do see something to be legitimately optimistic about this team, I’ll acknowledge.but until further notice, the Texas Rangers are firmly stapled to the treadmill of mediocrity.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Sep 25, 2008 9:49 AM CDT
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Selective
it was a useless argumentative rabbit hole and none of the people he referenced are JD’s immediate superior. Let’s deal with the now.
Then why talk about Kruk?
The organization is moving – determinedly – in the direction of building from within, as Ryan himself said yesterday. It takes longer than a quick fix. If you like quick fixes become an Astros fan. Their luck-ridden ride to contention this month will probably hurt them in the long run. They’ll think they’re contenders and act accordingly. This, I think, is similar to what happened to the Rangers after 2004.
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by t ball on
Sep 25, 2008 10:01 AM CDT
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I talked about Kruk
because that was the first player he brought up.
Then he brought up Maddux, Blyleven et al and I thought I’d squelch that argument before he went to baseball reference.com and started pulling out players like Bernie Carbo, Ted Uhlander, Ollie Brown or Norm Cash and asked me to also consider their qualifications as well.
Believe it or not, I was probably one of the most optimistic Ranger fans out there after the 2004 season.
After an 89-73 season on a young team loaded to the hilt with talent on the big club and throughout the organization top to bottom not to mention incredible financial flexibility, the future could not have been brighter but then the owner decided to sit on his wallet.
Windows of opportunity like the Rangers had in 2004 don’t come very often. I walked point all alone at that time and forecasted immediate and long lasting doom.
Wasn’t easy to do but I was dead solid perfect with that assessment. I’ll let you know when I think otherwise.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."


