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Fun with BA's Top20's

When asked about the top minor league systems in baseball, Jim Callis said,

...the Rangers and Athletics have put together the game's two deepest farm systems.

I'd rank Texas ahead of Oakland because I like their depth and their balance of hitters and pitchers a little more. The Rangers have done an impressive job on all fronts recently, picking up talent via trades (Andrus might be the best shortstop prospect in the minors, while Feliz might have the best pure fastball), the draft (getting Smoak and Ross with the 11th and 57th overall picks this year was a huge coup) and the international market (Perez drew some Johan Santana comps in the short-season Northwest League this summer).



Callis’ assertion is borne out by BA’s published Top 20 lists for the rookie, A, and AA leagues:
(1) The Rangers are tied for 1st with 14 prospects among the various league Top20s.
(2) The Rangers are 1st with 11 prospects among the various league Top10s.   
(3) The Rangers are 1st with 5 prospects among the various league Top5s.In

                             Top20                  Top10                Top5
Avg/team           7.67                     3.97                    2.15

Top 3 teams     Rangers (14)    Rangers (11)    Rangers (5)
                            A's (14)               Giants (8)          Marlins (4)
                            Braves (14)        A's (7)                A's (4)

And if you are curious how the Rangers stack up against the other teams in the AL West:
Team             Top20     Top10     Top5
 A's                  14            7              4
 Angels           8              1              1
 Mariners        12           5              3
 Rangers        14           11            5

For the calculations above, I used a player’s higher ranking and only counted him once if he was present on more than one Top20 list.

Rangers Ranked Among BA's League Top20s
Rank   Player                    League
2          Chris Davis           TEX
2          Martin Perez          NWL
2          Neftali Feliz           MWL
4          Neil Ramirez         NWL
5          Elvis Andrus          TEX
6          Engel Beltre           MWL
6         Wilfredo Boscan    NWL
8         Julio Borbon           TEX
8         Tim Murphy             NWL
9         Derek Holland        MWL
9         Max Ramirez           TEX
11       Joe Wieland           AZL
11       Julio Borbon           CAL
16       Matt West                NWL
18       Clark Murphy          AZL

Predicting the Rangers contribution to BA’s 2009 Top100 List
Although fall and winter league performances will likely impact BA’s 2009 prospect list, the published Top20’s suggest that the Rangers in 2009 will likely have more than the 5 representatives that they had on BA's 2008 Top100 list.  By my count, 36 players from BA’s 2008 list have graduated to the majors and another 15 have performed too poorly to be considered among the Top100 prospects for 2009. That leaves more than half of the Top100 list available for new prospects.  How many Rangers are likely to make the list, you ask?  Well, please allow me to speculate.

Rangers Top100 Incumbents (2008 Rank)
Andrus (#19) – 520 Abs, 295 AVG, 350 OBP, 367 SLG, 717 OPS, 54 St/16CS

Andrus’ strong second half (313/364/400/764) ensures that he will remain high on BA’s prospect list.

Davis (#65) – AA/AAA – 323 ABs, 333 AVG, 386 OBP, 643 SLG, 1029 OPS, 23 HR
                        ML – 312 ABs, 288 AVG, 334 OBP, 555 SLG, 884 OPS, 17 HR

Had he not graduated, Davis would have likely been ranked among BA’s Top20 and rated as one of the best power hitters in the minor leagues. 


Hurley (#77) – AA/AAA – 74.2 IP, 4.83 ERA, 8.2K/9IP, 3.2BB/9IP, 1.47 WHIP
                         ML – 24.2 IP, 5.47 ERA, 4.0K/9IP, 3.2BB/9IP, 1.42 WHIP

Disappointing numbers in AAA combined with an injury-shortened run in the majors will likely drop Hurley from the BA Top100 for the first time since 2006.


Teagarden (#80) – AAA – 225 ABs, 225 AVG, 332 OBP, 396 SLG, 728 OPS
                                 ML – 52 ABs, 319 AVG, 396 OBP, 809 SLG, 1205 OPS

A disappointing batting average in AAA has been somewhat mitigated by an outstanding major league debut.  Teagarden’s reputation as one of the better catching prospects in baseball might be enough to get him on the 2009 list. 

Feliz (#93) – A/AA – 127.1 IP, 2.69 ERA, 10.8K/9IP, 3.6BB/9IP, 1.10 WHIP

BA’s somewhat surprising selection of Feliz for their 2008 list was rewarded with a breakout year in 2008.  Feliz should experience one of the bigger jumps among the 2008 incumbents.

Guaranteed New Rangers
Holland – A/A+/AA – 150 IP, 2.35 ERA, 9.3 K/9IP, 2.4 BB/9IP, 1.01 WHIP

Although Holland was only rated #9 among the MWL’s top prospects, he is now included in many lists of the Top 10 minor league pitching prospects after proving himself in A+ and AA. 

MaxRam – AA/AAA – 327 ABs, 347 AVG, 439 OBP, 628 SLG, 1067 OPS
                       ML – 51 ABs, 222 AVG, 352 OBP, 378 SLG, 730 OPS

Ramirez was a fixture on BA’s weekly prospect lists during the first half of the season.  Although injuries and a ML promotion limited his ABs in the second half of the season, Ramirez should be recognized as one of the best hitting catchers in the minor leagues.

Smoak – A – 61 AB’s, 304 AVG, 355 OBP, 518 SLG, 873 OPS
From a Jim Callis Chat – “One scout who got a glimpse of Smoak when he joined Clinton at the end of the season told me he thought Smoak was the best prospect in the league. I probably would have ranked him No. 2.” 
Moustakas was ranked #1 in the MWL, Feliz #2, and Jarrod Parker #3. It sounds to me as if Callis has Smoak among his top 20 minor league prospects.

Potential New Rangers
Beltre – A – 581 ABs, 283 AVG, 308 OBP, 403 SLG, 711 OPS 31 St/11CS
BA’s Top100 prospect list for 2008 included eight players whom BA ranked among the Top20 in the Midwest League following the 2007 season.  Assuming they take a similar number of players this year, then it is likely that Beltre will make the final cut since he ranked #6 in the MWL this year.

Borbon – A+/AA – 575 ABs, 321 AVG, 362 OBP, 425 SLG, 787 OPS, 53 St/16 CS

Based on his 337/380/459/838 romp at Frisco, Borbon was ranked #8 on BA’s Texas League Top20 which was one slot ahead of Max Ramirez.  BA included 12 Texas Leaguers among their 2008 Top100 prospects, so don’t be surprised to see Borbon get the nod for 2009.

Perez – Short season A – 61.2 IP, 3.65 ERA, 7.7K/9IP, 4.1BB/9IP, 1.52 WHIP

The only NWL player to make BA’s 2008 list was Neftali Feliz.  Perez finished second to Josh Vitters on BA’s Top20 for the NWL this year and Vitters is a lock for the 2009 Top100 list.  In a chat session, Nathan Rode indicated that a BA staff discussion comparing the prospect status of Perez and Feliz ended in a stalemate.  Look for BA to include Perez among the latter few picks in anticipation of a breakout next year.

Main – Rk/A – 58.2 IP, 2.76, 10K/9IP, 2.8BB/9IP, 1.11 WHIP
Injuries limited Main’s innings and the probability that BA will add him to their list of the Top100 prospects in baseball.  In my opinion, odds are 2:1 against Main being included on the 2009 list.


Final Prediction – 8 Rangers
Feliz (Top25)
Smoak (Top25)
Holland (Top50)
Andrus (Top50)
MaxRam (Top75)
Beltre (Top100)
Borbon (Top100)
Perez (Top100)

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I doubt Main

makes the top 100 this year, but I think he’ll be one of the two or three most talked about guys in the Ranger system next year when he finally gets to pitch more. Among the pitchers, I think we’re all excited to see a lot more of Main and Font and to get a good look at Ross in 2009.

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by t ball on Sep 28, 2008 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Predicting Ranger additions to the 2010 Top100 prospect list

Like you, tball, I am already looking forward to the 2009 season. My short list of candidates to debut on BA’s Top 100 list following the 2009 season are:

(1) Font
(2) Kiker
(3) Ramirez (Neil)
(4) Main
(5) Boscan
(6) Poveda

Yeah, I dream of pitchers. OBTW, Main would be higher but I fear Bakersfield even for someone with Main’s talent.

by spurdynasty on Sep 28, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that Poveda will ever make a list

and I’m pretty skeptical that Kiker does at this point. Font and Ramirez certainly could (along with Perez, who I don’t think will make it this year), and for Boscan his numbers would have to continue to be terrific.

by Brett Perryman on Sep 28, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Poveda and Kiker

While you are likely correct in considering unlikely that Kiker and Poveda will ever make a BA 100 list, there is some precedent for pitchers who have been in the 101-200 range suddenly appearing on the list when they have success in the upper minors. Some of my favorites include one time BA100 prospects:
AJ Burnett
Johnny Cueto
Jon Lester
Roy Oswalt
Zach Duke
Josh Johnson
Fausto Carmona
Edinson Volquez

As I have mentioned elsewhere, I really like the progress that Poveda has made in converting himself into a legitimate three-pitch pitcher and I still hold out hope that Kiker is going to become a top-of-the-rotation pitcher. Both will benefit from moving from Bakersfield to Frisco.

by spurdynasty on Sep 28, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

The reason that I don't think that they'll make it

is that I don’t see them exploding statistically or stuff-wise like those players did, and while some of those guys (like Volquez and Oswalt) started their explosion in High A in those season where they made the top 100, neither of our guys will play below AA. Kiker could. I’m just betting that it doesn’t happen. He would basically have to just go nuts in AA from the start of the year next year and continue that in AAA, because if he isn’t dominant he wouldn’t make it, and if he does it later, he’d be a nonprospect before he’d have a chance to be ranked (sort of like Chris Davis this year, when he would have been a top 20 player).

by Brett Perryman on Sep 28, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh and

I think they each will fight one particular uphill battle in this regard. Poveda is a right handed pitcher with a 90 mph fastball. Guys like that have to have just dynamite second pitches and quality third pitches to have a chance. I don’t see either his fastball gaining 5-6 mph overnight or his changeup, which is already solid, turning into a whole other pitch or his curve suddenly becoming a knockout.

With Kiker it’s his stature and the fact that some scouts will never believe that he should be a starter, even after he wins 20 games four times, because of his size. And with a few notable exceptions here and there, BA destroys guys in their rankings when they think they’re not starters.

by Brett Perryman on Sep 28, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Poveda's fastball

The radio announcers at Clinton and Bakersfield both describe it as 90-94 MPH. And it appears to benefit from what Jason Parks recently described as the best change-up in the system. Poveda also produces more swing-and-miss strikes than anyone in the Rangers system with the possible exceptions of Feliz and Holland. Of the new guys in Frisco next year, Poveda is the one that I am most anxious to see.

by spurdynasty on Sep 28, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I know it’s supposed to be solid, but I’ve never seen it, and BA ranked Kiker’s as the system’s best this spring. Whether or not it’s the system’s best, I don’t think that it’s of such quality that it makes him a likely top 100 candidate – at least without a serious upgrade in one of his other pitches.

by Brett Perryman on Sep 29, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bakersfield

Are they returning back to Bakersfield next year? I heard they might bolt for the Carolina League

by chrisR on Sep 28, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

the Carolina League thing will take place in 2010 and that they’ll be in Bakersfield for one more year.

by Brett Perryman on Sep 29, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

At least according to reports

by Brett Perryman on Sep 29, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome

I get to see N-Ram and W-Bos and M-Per and maybe R-Ros and S-Wei and C-Mur and E-Fry and others.

Yay!

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 29, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Don’t fuck it up.

"Asphalt me, ben. Asphalt me good and hard." - brettgardner

by inactive lsb user on Sep 29, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't worry, I won't do anything asinine like show up to the game in the bottom of the sixth with a friend named "Jam" and then make a 7,216 word fanpost about my experience

and have the whole thing be one big long boring story about how much I posted up and when I posted up and where I posted up and what I was wearing when I posted up and how I felt about the fact that I was posting up and other posting up-related frivolity.

;)

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 29, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

What the hell?

Can we newbies get a link to this fanpost?

by jwiscarson on Sep 29, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's really not worth it

I kinda think he made the whole thing up to justify hating Laird…

by bushe on Sep 30, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was just messing with Chase

but this is what you’re looking for.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 30, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wreck...

Again, great post.

So in Callis’ eyes does deepest = best? Who does he see as the top 5 systems in baseball right now?

I think we all know how great and deep the Rangers farm is now, but I’m not sure I would rank it #1 in baseball.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 28, 2008 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Rangers vs Other Team's Systems

I honestly don’t know where Callis will rank the Rangers farm system, though it is obvious that he likes it. As for me, there is only one farm system that I would swap for the Rangers if I could – the Rays. They have four or five near-ready pitchers that would look fantastic matched up with the Rangers current line-up.

by spurdynasty on Sep 28, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would also...

have the Rays at #1.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 28, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rays vs Rangers

The Rays only had 9 Top20 selections from AA on down (vs the Rangers’ 14). I didn’t have the AAA lists, so I am not sure how that we change the overall numbers. I really like the Rays near-ready pitching but prefer the Rangers system everywhere else.

by spurdynasty on Sep 28, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Top prospects...

As you say the Rangers may be deeper, but the Rays have the guys at the top that make the difference in my eyes, as you allude to in their near-ready pitchers.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 28, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...

I think I’d take our system over the D-Rays, even though obviously David Price is the shiznit.

The Rays have a top five system, but they’re top heavy, while we’re just plain heavy throughout.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 28, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I might too

I’d have to look at it more thoroughly, but the Rays don’t have the overwhelming depth that they have recently.

by Brett Perryman on Sep 28, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

AAA

We got nothing, Rays have:

3 – Wade Davis
4 – Reid Brignac
16 – Jeff Niemann

by Brett Perryman on Sep 28, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Technically yes

but those ratings are useless when a guy like davis gets ranked in AA when he lost his rookie status during the same year or when Main or Smoak are not ranked because of lack of IP or AB…

Davis should count for 2 guys….

by Goyogringo on Sep 29, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

My guess on Callis and the top systems

and this really is largely a guess, without researching it thoroughly, is that TB, Texas and Oakland are the top three and that Baltimore, SF and Boston are next. I’ve seen those names in his answers, and they are all very strong. I just loved the SF 2007 draft even more than ours, and it has really helped them turn things around in a big way. Cincy is still really deep. They lost Bruce, Cueto, Votto and Bailey, but they have some nice guys who are a notch below what those guys were, and I would think that they’re at least still top ten.

by Brett Perryman on Sep 28, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Braves' system

has to be ranked near the top I’d think…

by jcir454 on Sep 28, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

They’re in the top 10 I think, maybe right after that group of 6 zywica mentioned, but ahead of Cinci.

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by t ball on Sep 28, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Top 10 systems (AA and below))

Team Top20 Top10 Top5
Indians 12 6 4
Giants 10 8 3
Royals 13 6 2
Braves 14 5 2
Orioles 6 3 3
Reds 5 1 0

The Orioles boast the Top 2 prospects in both the Carolina and Eastern Leagues (Wieters + Arietta in CAR and Wieters + Tillman in the Eastern).

The Royals have the #1 prospect in both the AZL (Montgomery) and MWL (Moustakas).
 
Sorry, but I don’t have the AAA prospect lists.

by spurdynasty on Sep 28, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indians and Royals

perhaps round out the top 10 systems. Dayton Moore has made some puzzling and gutsy moves, like Daniels has, and their system is also in much better shape these days.

In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.

by t ball on Sep 28, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah you're right

They’re definitely up there somewhere.

by Brett Perryman on Sep 28, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holland

Many think he’s a top 10 pitching prospect, and he’s not BA Top 25? I’d say he’s a slam dunk, especially after he killed in AA. It’d be chancier if he’d done OK…obviously he was dominant.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Sep 28, 2008 11:01 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree hightower

But I wanted to avoid the “homer” label. Plus, I couldn’t find any evidence that BA had taken a shine to Holland.

by spurdynasty on Sep 28, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that he's a slam dunk for the top 25

There may only be 10 pitchers in that group (usually aren’t as many pitchers as hitters at the top, sometimes only about a third), and while some do think he’s in the top ten pitchers, not everyone does, and BA’s main guys – Callis, Manuel and Lingo – haven’t demonstrated that opinion when asked. I think that spurs’ projection was correct on Holland.

by Brett Perryman on Sep 28, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's really nice to see a lot of those rankings in the top 10s

There is a big difference in having a top ten guy in a league and a second ten.

As far as Top 100’s, here is my guess:

Feliz (10-20)
Smoak (20-40)
Holland (20-40)
Andrus (30-60)
Beltre (75-100)
Main (80-100) – and
Teagarden (80-100)

I’m not 100% confident about Main’s ranking, because we saw comments from BA in chats about not getting great reports on his stuff, and I’m not sure about is Max Ramirez/Teagarden. I think they each have a shot, but if Main makes it I don’t think that both of them will. I think that the ceiling for this system is probably seven. I guess I’d go ahead and say Teagarden at the back again, since Callis does like him. And my money would be on Main making it, I think.

I don’t think that Perez makes it. Borbon could, but I’d definitely bet against it.

by Brett Perryman on Sep 28, 2008 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

MaxRam?

Is there anyway that BA leaves Ramirez off the list when he put up an OPS north of 1000?

by spurdynasty on Sep 28, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure

I’ve been kind of thinking that he’d make it, but I’m a little less convinced lately. And yes they would not hesitate to leave a 23 year old off the list if their reports (on both offense and defense) aren’t good enough. I’m sure that we could find plenty of examples.

by Brett Perryman on Sep 28, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ceiling for the system?

Z – Both you and Jason Parks have alluded to the notion of a limit for the number of prospects that BA will take from the Rangers system for their Top100 prospect list. Can you elaborate? I had always assumed that BA simply stack-ranked the top 200 or so prospects in the minor leagues and guys fell where they fell regardless of system. As I understand your comment, it sounds like BA might grade the systems and then decide approximately how many prospects a team should have among the Top100 whereupon they proceed to identify and incorporate players from the various teams.

by spurdynasty on Sep 28, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

They don't consciously do it

and there certainly isn’t any sort of a cap or anything, we know that. But only in pretty extraordinary situations do we see more than seven on any team. In most of those situations it’s a result of offseason trades. Plus, you’re talking about all kinds of guys having to be in the last 25 for them to get above seven, and in the case of Teagarden and Ramirez you’re talking about two guys at the same position in the same organization. I just don’t see them loading down the back 10-15 with players from the same organization, especially when that organization has lots of guys to begin with. It’s just too close at that point for human nature not to be to break a tie with the org that has one player, rather than the one that has seven.

by Brett Perryman on Sep 28, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Juan Polanco...

I put this on another thread this week, but thought maybe a prospect-related one might be more appropriate to solicit information.

I was just curious if anyone has heard of outfielder Juan Polanco before? Rangers’ Dominican Summer League Manager Jayce Tingler said earlier this year that Polanco’s a five-tool guy and that he’d never seen a 17-year-old with tools like Polanco (Polanco has since turned 18). According to milb.com, he’s listed as a 5’11, 175 lb. rightfielder (bats and throws righthanded) who hit .277/.395/.455 this year for the DSL Rangers1.

shroomer said that Jason Cole will be asking about Polanco at Fall Instructional and Joey Matschulat said that Jason Parks was raving about Polanco and that Parks considers Polanco a borderline-Top-25 prospect. If anyone else knows much about Polanco, please share.

I'm tired of the suspense. Why won't they just tell us what they mean by "male enhancement?"

by YourNameHere on Sep 28, 2008 4:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Curious myself

I included him on the depth chart just because of the comment or two and his nice numbers. Haven’t ever heard anything else. Will be interesting to hear what Jason finds out.

by Brett Perryman on Sep 28, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jamey, if you're still around...

Jamey, if you’re still around, do you have any information on Juan Polanco? If anyone else in the know has some information on Polanco, please let us know.

I'm tired of the suspense. Why won't they just tell us what they mean by "male enhancement?"

by YourNameHere on Sep 28, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right but

maybe someone can still get a comment.

by Brett Perryman on Sep 28, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Polanco

I was disappointed that Polanco wasn’t at instructs, but I did have the chance to speak with a few people about him. Basically, he is a tool box that has tremendous upside. Several LA players seemed impressed with his ability.

His age, his skill set and his numbers made me really think about putting him in my top 25. I still might.

By the way, I charted Johan Yan’s inning of work on Saturday and he was actually pretty decent. He sat at 90-91 and flashed a few decent breaking balls when he was warming up. Some positives there. I also accidentally woke him up on Sunday and he was really understanding about it.

by jparks77 on Sep 29, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

On Yan, you would figure that there’s still quite a bit of potential for a velocity increase, given his age, body and presumed lack of mechanical polish. Your sense is that he has moved permanently?

by Brett Perryman on Sep 29, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Yan is on the bump to stay

He takes instruction well and I think it’s safe to say he could add a few ticks as he matures physically. He is still really lanky.

His mechanics need work and he doesn’t have much as far as secondary stuff goes, but there is something there. He definitely has a good arm and he seems to have a good feel for the mound.

I shot a video of him warming up that I have yet to study so I might be able to offer a more detailed analysis after that. He only threw nine pitches in his inning of work. Three pitches to each batter with three groundball outs. The first pitch he threw to the final batter was a 76 mph junkball that seemed to float in the air for a few minutes. It didn’t seem real. I’m not sure what to take away from that.

by jparks77 on Sep 29, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Emmanuel Solis...

Jason,

I think I remember once reading that, in addition to Johan Yan, Emmanuel Solis’s future could be as a pitcher if he couldn’t improve his hitting. From what you’ve seen (I believe Solis is at Fall Instructionals), does that seem like a possibility? Was there a silver lining to Solis’s .244/.318/.392 line for the Dominican Summer League Rangers1 this year?

I'm tired of the suspense. Why won't they just tell us what they mean by "male enhancement?"

by YourNameHere on Sep 30, 2008 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Solis

Given his size (6’3’’ 220), his age (19), his arm (strong), and his inability to hit the breaking ball, I think moving Solis to the mound is a definite possibility.

I didn’t get a chance to speak with him at instructs, but I can ask around and see what other people think about him.

by jparks77 on Sep 30, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent...

Jason,

Thanks for asking about Emmanuel Solis. Also, if it’s not too much trouble, could you tell us, or will you post on your website about:

1) Leury Garcia (Jamey Newberg said he had better tools then you’d expect for a guy that looks like him) 2) Kelvin De Leon (the Rangers pitcher, and not the Yankees outfielder)
3) Edwin Garcia (Have they introduced the 6’0 150 lb. Shortstop to food now that he’s in the States?)

I'm tired of the suspense. Why won't they just tell us what they mean by "male enhancement?"

by YourNameHere on Sep 30, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure

1) I agree 100% with Jamey’s assessment of Leury. He doesn’t look much like a ballplayer, but he definitely has a solid skill set to work with. He’s still very raw but I wouldn’t be surprised if he dramatically improved his statistical line in ’09.

2) De Leon is a huge man (6’6’’) but I didn’t see him at instructs. His room assignment was changed so I’m not sure he even made the trip over.

His numbers in the DSL1 were quite impressive, but he is still somewhat raw with pretty obvious command issues. Hopefully he will be able to make the jump to the AZL next year when he will turn 20.

3) Edwin Garcia is very thin, but he doesn’t even turn 18 years old until next March. He has time to fill out. I like the kid.

Also: If you are looking for a potential breakout candidate for next season, keep an eye on LHP Miguel De Los Santos. I was fortunate enough to spend some time with him this past week and he really impressed me. His side-session on Saturday was excellent and he was getting a two-inning start today in Maryvale.

I should have my Miguel De Los Santos interview posted sometime soon.

by jparks77 on Sep 30, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

De Los Santos

I’ve included his name on lists just based on his numbers/age and one or two vague comments. Good to hear that he passes the eyeball test.

by Brett Perryman on Sep 30, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks...

When the alignment of my last post here went haywire, I was going to apologize and also throw out the name Miguel De Los Santos, because he had 54 K’s in 34.2 innings in the AZL, and I heard that before last season (didn’t he have Tommy John Surgery?), he was considered among the highest upside lefthanders in the system (understandably, the influx of Martin Perez, Robbie Ross and Tim Murphy, coupled with the acquisition of Beau Jones and the incredible rise of Derek Holland could certainly cause a quality lefthanded pitching prospect to become forgotten).

I’d like to say that I could stop harassing you Jason, but there’s just so many guys who Jamey Newberg said in his September 19th post would be at instructionals that I’d like to hear your and Jamey’s opinions on (Don’t feel compelled to answer here, but these are just YourNameHere suggestions if your planning on writing about Instructionals for your website):

1) Tae Ahn
2) Reinier Bermudez (I heard that his fastball hits 97 mph, and although he turns 24 next June, when you think about how Warner Madrigal was in the Midwest League for all of 2007, it makes you believe someone who can throw that hard could move up pretty quickly)
3) Guillermo Pimentel (OBP Machine in 2008)
4) Anyenil Mendoza (42 K’s, zero HR’s and just 12 BB’s allowed in 38.2 DSL innings)
5) Geuris Grullon (The unpleasant 17 BB in 23.2 AZL innings is mitigated in large part by his 27 K’s and 4.25 AO/GO)
6) Esdras Abreu (Jamey said he needs work in the outfield.)
7) Edwin Escobar (Or is it “Vicente Escobar?”)

I'm tired of the suspense. Why won't they just tell us what they mean by "male enhancement?"

by YourNameHere on Sep 30, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

One more suggestion...

8) Jacob Brigham (Recovering from Tommy John Surgery that costed him his 2008 season, was ranked the #20 prospect in the Northwest League for 2007. I was curious how his recovery is going and where you and/or Jamey think he might be pitching in 2009)

I'm tired of the suspense. Why won't they just tell us what they mean by "male enhancement?"

by YourNameHere on Sep 30, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to do a FIL

write-up and post it on BTiA on Saturday. I’ll include a few brief descriptions of the players I was fortunate enough to see in game action/sim action and I’ll also throw out some brief observations on the players I didn’t see play, but spoke with.

I’m not sure if you guys are interested in this or not, but I charted several pitchers during the trip and can post the velo, BB/K, hits, etc. with the write-up if you want to see them.

by jparks77 on Sep 30, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you can...

I’d like to see that information if you don’t mind posting it.

I'm tired of the suspense. Why won't they just tell us what they mean by "male enhancement?"

by YourNameHere on Sep 30, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

+2

"Asphalt me, ben. Asphalt me good and hard." - brettgardner

by inactive lsb user on Sep 30, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

if we're interested

this collection of baseball nerds? You could offer to chart the spit patterns of sunflower seeds in the dugout and we’d probably have a 100 post argument about it.

In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.

by t ball on Sep 30, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interested?

I’m a sad combination of Pavlov’s dog and the Cheshire cat. I’ll be slobbering and grinning the rest of the week knowing what saturday has in store.

by spurdynasty on Sep 30, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can only assume....

Parks considers Polanco a borderline top 25 Ranger prospect, which would be nice praise for a 17-18 year old, just looking for a little clarity, because just by reading that it seems he is talking about borderline top 25 in baseball.

by groundingout on Sep 28, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

On that comment...

Although I’m almost certain that Joey Matschulat meant that Jason Parks considers Juan Polanco a borderline Top-25 Prospect in the Rangers’ system, I’ll let you decide for yourself by looking at the first September 26th Game Thread (unless Joey or Jason wants to clarify).

I'm tired of the suspense. Why won't they just tell us what they mean by "male enhancement?"

by YourNameHere on Sep 28, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

It definitely

seems as though he was talking about just Rangers top 25.

by groundingout on Sep 28, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Listing for all teams

Below are the prospects that all 30 teams registered among the various BA League Top20s for Rookie to AA:

Team Top20/Top10/Top5
Angels – 8/1/1
Astros - 5/2/1
Athletics – 14/7/4
Blue Jays – 7/3/2
Braves - 14/5/2
Brewers – 11/4/2
Cardinals – 9/3/2
Cubs – 5/1/1
Diamondbacks – 2/1/1
Dodgers – 4/2/1
Giants – 10/8/3
Indians – 12/6/4
Mariners – 12/5/3
Marlins – 8/7/4
Mets – 8/4/1
Nationals – 7/4/2
Orioles – 6/4/3
Padres – 9/4/2
Phillies – 5/3/1
Pirates - 2/0/0
Rangers – 14/11/5
Rays – 9/7/3
Red Sox – 11/3/1
Reds – 5/1/0
Rockies – 6/4/3
Royals – 13/7/2
Tigers – 2/1/1
Twins – 3/3/1
White Sox – 5/1/0
Yankees – 4/3/0

It must really suck to be a Pirate fan.

Same for the Astros; their only player above Low A was the #20 prospect in the Texas League.

The Cubs, Yankees, WhiteSox, and D’backs have all drained their lower minors.

by spurdynasty on Sep 28, 2008 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Teams like the Pirates

You gotta remember that a lot of really good prospects don’t qualify for these lists. Guys who didn’t play enough to count like such as Pedro Alvarez, Handsome Eric Hosmer, Matusz, Michael Inoa, etc.

It’s fun info to look at, but trying to do any system analysis off of these lists is folly.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Sep 28, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Teams can get there systems turned around quickly

with a year or two of good drafting and trades, but a 2/0/0 line for your Top20/Top10/Top5 lists is not a simple thing from which to recover.

by spurdynasty on Sep 28, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some teams...

have very little, but I’d put the Tigers on the bottom.

They have Porcello and nothing else. Although if you are going to have just one guy he’s a pretty good one to have I suppose.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 28, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eric Hurley...

I just wanted to make sure that Eric Hurley was actually ranked the number 49 prospect by Baseball America in 2008. According to Hurley’s profile at The Baseball Cube, he was ranked number 77. It could be a mistake on The Baseball Cube’s website (as I’m writing this, according to Chris Davis’s page, he was released by the Rangers on June 1st 2007), but it looks like they have the same rankings for Davis, Neftali Feliz, Elvis Andrus, and Taylor Teagarden as listed in this Fanpost.

I'm tired of the suspense. Why won't they just tell us what they mean by "male enhancement?"

by YourNameHere on Sep 28, 2008 6:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not finding

a link to the year by year top 100s on BA at the moment, but 77 sounds more correct.

by Brett Perryman on Sep 28, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right, YNH

Hurley was #77 on the 2008 BA list; thanks for catching my mistake. It’s not much of an excuse, but I was originally working off of a list from Wikipedia that provides BP’s 2008 Top 100 list and calls it BA’s 2008 list. I noted the mistake and got everything else changed but overlooked Hurley. The original FanPost has been updated.

by spurdynasty on Sep 28, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not a problem...

Trust me, you don’t have to apologize (only had to read the first sentence of the post to give the recommendation). I was just looking to find where Eric Hurley had been ranked previously by Baseball America (in 2007, he was ranked #68) to see if it’s a give that he won’t be on BA’s 2008 list. It looks like your assertion that Hurley won’t make it on the top 100 for three consecutive years is correct.

I'm tired of the suspense. Why won't they just tell us what they mean by "male enhancement?"

by YourNameHere on Sep 28, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you sir!

I really enjoyed reading this. REC

Steal Home R.I.P. 9/10/08

by LAMuscleFag on Sep 30, 2008 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

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