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Walbeck, Howe out

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Matt Walbeck and Art Howe are out as coaches for the Rangers.

Jim Colburn goes back to heading up Eastern Rim scouting.  Andy Hawkins will be a candidate for the pitching coach job, which they will be interviewing folks for.

Gary Pettis and Rudy Jaramillo are, apparently, coming back.

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WTF?

Howe, really?

Who the hell is going to shake Wash’s hand first after the Rangers win next year now?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 29, 2008 5:41 PM CDT   0 recs

Hopefully someone not afraid

to tell him he’s nuts with his lineups and bullpen usage.

In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.

by t ball on Sep 29, 2008 8:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And...

Don’t forget Wash’s penchant for playing the infield in in the 2nd inning of a 1-0 game. Genius!

by Topgun22 on Sep 29, 2008 11:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hahaha + 1

Steal Home R.I.P. 9/10/08

by LAMuscleFag on Sep 30, 2008 1:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

awesome!

that should make everything better

i am glad the team was able to quickly identify the areas needing change and act decisively

by sam in so cal on Sep 29, 2008 5:42 PM CDT   0 recs

Art Howe

I actually like that guy. Can’t really see how this could improve the team, but I guess we’ll have to see who replaces him.

by Black Francis on Sep 29, 2008 5:49 PM CDT   0 recs

Howe would be

a good grandpa…I was never too impressed with his managerial career.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Sep 29, 2008 6:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This little shake up

zzzz snooze zzzz

The real shake in the blender should be Ron Washington if you want my opinion. He should have been fired already.

Good to see that Pettis and Jaramillo are staying.

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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 8:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

had no problem with either guy

but obviously our knowledge of the interactions with wash/JD and these guys are pretty limited.
so whatever, hopefully we have some good replacements in mind.

ot: miguel cabrera has a double through 6 in the final game of the season but no rbis, tieing hamilton in total bases and remaining 3 rbi behind him.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Sep 29, 2008 6:02 PM CDT   0 recs

game over

Cabrera k’d in his only other at bat.
Hamilton gets the rbi title.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Sep 29, 2008 7:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

w00t!

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Sep 29, 2008 7:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Morneau

Would any RBI he got tomorrow in the one game playoff not count? Not sure how that works.

by atlantaranger on Sep 29, 2008 8:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know those stats won't count in fantasy baseball

I don’t think they should count towards regular season either. But that’s just me.

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc

by baseballismyboyfriend on Sep 29, 2008 8:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes,

all stats count.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Sep 29, 2008 8:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Boo

So Hammy could still lose the RBI title :(

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc

by baseballismyboyfriend on Sep 29, 2008 8:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

um

yes.

btw. I’ve missed you :0

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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 8:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha ha

I’m sure you have.

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc

by baseballismyboyfriend on Sep 29, 2008 8:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah i just had this told to me on another forum

damn. didnt know there was yet another game. that sucks.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Sep 30, 2008 1:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Truth be told

I would have rather had Cabrera win the RBI title and have the Sox miss the playoffs.

by FuturePants on Sep 30, 2008 8:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No Hawkins, please!

Rick Peterson anyone?

by chrisR on Sep 29, 2008 6:04 PM CDT   0 recs

Peterson isn't going to be some big miracle worker

I don’t mind Hawkins. I think getting some big name pitching coach here isn’t going to be the instant solution many think can happen.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Sep 29, 2008 6:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

pshh

didn’t you see his work with victor zambrano

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Sep 29, 2008 9:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

more than big name

former Oakland chronie

by chrisR on Sep 29, 2008 9:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm a Terry Clark fanboy

but it’s kinda politically touchy to promote your AA guy past your AAA/MLB guy, I suppose.

by shroomer on Sep 29, 2008 6:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I really don't understand how Walbeck is just let go

I wonder what his future holds.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Sep 29, 2008 6:05 PM CDT   0 recs

It will probably hold

Agreeing universally with senseless decisions by his bosses.

by FuturePants on Sep 30, 2008 8:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

good

i don’t think howe was right for the rangers and im not sure a 3rd base coach can do anything but hurt the team. That arttice said that walbeck and washington never really meshed so if hes hurting the team, let him go.

good decision

"Tommy Hunter will be the best pitcher on the Rangers in 2009" Me- August 14th, 2008

To: Luis Mendoza "Please die in a fire." LSJ; PLEASE

by Seth. on Sep 29, 2008 6:09 PM CDT   0 recs

JD is making a mistake

HE (JD) hired Wallbeck because Wally was suppose to be an up and coming coach. So how does it make sense that Wash gets to fire him after Wash throws in one the worst management jobs in baseball history,AND as soon as we are 5 games under .500 in April Wash will be gone anyways, so why is he getting to make these decisions? Unfortunately it looks like JD is tying himself to Wash, which I think will end up costing both of them there jobs. And JD has done an overall good job here, minus a few trades that went the other way he has turned this program around and on the right track.

by blueballlefty on Sep 29, 2008 6:26 PM CDT   0 recs

wash did some things i had a problem with

but one of the worst management jobs as baseball history? what?

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Sep 29, 2008 6:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No doubt

He had to play most of the AAA and AA players all year long and still almost pulled out a winning record.

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 29, 2008 6:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

question

the defense was considerably below average (possibly awful?). does this reflect on manager, or does he get pass?

taking into consideration that wash was touted as defensive specialist (i specifically remember this with regard to hank), does your opinion change?

i am very underwhelmed by washington and find little to change my opinion that this is not the guy that you want in charge of overseeing the development of young talent once they reach the big league level. these guys will have a lot of maturing/development left when the reach this level, and washington doesn’t strike me as the next joe madden. of course, i didn’t know madden was a madden either until this year.

by sam in so cal on Sep 29, 2008 7:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I never said he was Joe Torre

I said he should get credit for having to play with more rookies a Rangers team has ever seen and keeping them around .500. Yes the defense needs to get better but shouldn’t the whole coaching staff work on it with them not just Wash?

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 29, 2008 7:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And Torre sucked

in his first few stops…

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Sep 29, 2008 8:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well...

not to be a revisionist, but did joe torre ever win anything with a sub-$100 million roster (or whatever really big number you want to use)?

i’m sure that someone will be quick to point out the season(s) that joe torre developed a lot of new players and groomed them into a major league force, but in the interim i’ll remember the last few years that he made nothing out of a lot.

by sam in so cal on Sep 29, 2008 9:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Boss

beats everyone down over time. I’m suprised he lasted as long as he did. Still not saying Wash is Torre though.

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 29, 2008 9:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He had some with Atlanta in the mid 80s

and a couple of decent finishes with St. Louis in the early 90s. Other than that, you have to look at the mid 90s Yankees where the Yankees actually didn’t have a 100+ million dollar payroll (it was around 60 million then). So yeah, Toree did win a bit when he didn’t have a 100+ million dollar payroll. Not much and when he did, it was with some amazing talent that the Yankees had.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Sep 29, 2008 10:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He kept his team

busting their asses and getting better after a horrendous start. Was that not maturing/development of young guys…as in “never give up”? I sure as hell think it was. How many teams/players would have folded, quit, and put on their panties in the same situation?

By far the largest percentage of a MLB manager’s job is to keep the team behind him, with him, on the same page, and assuage the ego’s of these millionaires. Bunting, positioning, pitching changes and the like are often strongly hinted at by the coaches..that is their job. That is why it is so vitally important to have a bench coach you would trust with your life, and career.

Whatever you think of Wash, I feel he has strongly proved that he is a leader of men, and that is his primary job function.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Sep 29, 2008 8:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I spilled water on my pants today.

It was the worst day in the history of the universe.

by LiamP on Sep 29, 2008 6:52 PM CDT to parent up   2 recs

the spill

was clearly caused by Wash’s tendency to use Jamey Wright.

by FirebatM3 on Sep 29, 2008 7:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ha

i was thinking it was caused by the White Sox playing the tie breaker tom. and Johnny Danks is going to pitch for the win

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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 8:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

btw

Danks line tomorrow???

I’m thinking 6 IP 5H 1ER 2BB 7k 0HR

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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 8:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

4 IP 9H 6ER 4BB 2K 2HR and a big L

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 29, 2008 8:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you boomer!

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc

by baseballismyboyfriend on Sep 29, 2008 8:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You are welcome Micah

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 29, 2008 8:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

damn Mic

you want the twins to win? It appears boomer does. But, I thought you were with me on CWS and John Danks winning?

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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 9:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nope

Like I said, it’s nothing against Danks. I’m just tired of Rangers fans pining for him. Also, I greatly dislike Ozzie and A.J.

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc

by baseballismyboyfriend on Sep 29, 2008 9:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nope

I don’t like CWS or their little midget manager. Go Twinkies.

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 29, 2008 9:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm

6IP 5H 2ER 3BB 4K 1HR

by cashman on Sep 29, 2008 9:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

WWNRD?

…it looks like JD Nolan is tying himself to Wash…

Fixed!

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Sep 29, 2008 7:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I still say they try to money whip

Orel into coming back. Screw ESPN!!

by TxStCa on Sep 29, 2008 7:25 PM CDT   0 recs

agreed.

i miss orel.

by tyd3311 on Sep 29, 2008 7:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed.

I miss oral…

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Sep 29, 2008 8:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rodney

tsk tsk tsk

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc

by baseballismyboyfriend on Sep 29, 2008 8:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wha???

;)

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Sep 29, 2008 8:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm glad Howe is gone

I always wondered why he was here, save for the purpose of giving Wash “moral support”.

But as I stated in the pervious thread… it bothers me that they’re cutting Walbeck because he and Wash don’t get along. Walbeck seemed to have a pretty good relationship with the players, and seemed to be doing a pretty good job coaching our young catchers as well. But he’s gone because he couldn’t “gel” with a guy who probably shouldn’t be managing a baseball team, major or minor league. That sends the signal that we’re commiting to said doofus who can’t manage a baseball team, major or minor league, and that scares me. A lot.

A Lonestar in California

"M’s fans are such weenies." - Zywica

by lonestarJon on Sep 29, 2008 7:44 PM CDT   0 recs

Your disdain is blinding you.

The catchers as a collective sucked ass this season…no other way to put it. Walbeck did not come in here and “hang the moon”, he was below average, at best.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Sep 29, 2008 8:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm going by the improvement Salty showed

Behind the plate as the year progressed. Collectively they did suck overall, but things seemed to improve as the year went on, at least for the young guys.

A Lonestar in California

"M’s fans are such weenies." - Zywica

by lonestarJon on Sep 29, 2008 11:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Art Howe won more than 100 games

as a manager twice and went to the playoffs three times with the A’s.

He also got the young 90’s Astros team ramped up as well.

I don’t understand why Howe was let go and Washington gets to stay.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Sep 30, 2008 8:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

interesting....

Wash helps in getting rid of the white coaches, but keeps the minorities.

I wonder what color coach Wash will want at 3B??

;-)

i like baseball too

by bspate on Sep 29, 2008 8:00 PM CDT   0 recs

Maybe they'll hire a Japanese pitching coach

so the kids can learn how to throw a breaking pitch

by Telegraph on Sep 29, 2008 8:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OT: I hope the Red Sox pile drive the Halo's

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 29, 2008 8:10 PM CDT   0 recs

I'm split on that

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc

by baseballismyboyfriend on Sep 29, 2008 8:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

On a teams I hate scale

Just on these two:

Red Sox 6-7 They play in the East
Halos 9-10 They play us 19 times a year and…well hell I ran out of stem I just hate them more! lol

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 29, 2008 8:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope the Rays...

beat them all.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 29, 2008 8:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Damn.. no love for Johnny Danks

If CWS beat the Twins tomorrow it will be the CWS vs. the Rays. I’m cheering for the White Sox.

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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 8:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's nothing against Danks

just the people who won’t LET IT GO

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc

by baseballismyboyfriend on Sep 29, 2008 8:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh so cause die hard Rangers Fans

who have followed Johnny Danks when he was the No. 1 now we should just say so what he has a chance to make the playoffs and maybe when the WS.

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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 9:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If you want to cheer for Danks, go for it

But just because I won’t does NOT mean I’m not a die hard Rangers fan.

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc

by baseballismyboyfriend on Sep 29, 2008 9:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

I couldn’t agree more. I have been a die hard Rangers fan since 1976. I’m still pissed by the Bump Wills trade and don’t get me started about Walt Terrell and Rod Darling

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 29, 2008 9:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

so what is the problem???

Why in the hell are you not supporting John Danks and hoping he wins tomorrow?

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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 9:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

because I'm not a lemming

I cheer for who I want and I don’t like the White Sox so I hope the Twins beat their ass. It’s really simple.

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 29, 2008 9:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No we just don't need to hear

about it non stop every time he pitches not to mention I don’t think any of us give a damn about the Pale Ho’s. What’s done is done. Cheer for him if you like we just don’t want to hear about it. Let’s talk about Hurley or Harrison how about that?

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 29, 2008 9:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My point is

I have followed John Danks for so long and so have other Rangers Fans. He should have never been traded. We fucked up. And don’t get me started on this JD screw up and all the screw ups he’s done. I’m pulling for John Danks because I love me some Johnny Danks. And Every Ranger fan should also be cheering on the CWS to win tomorrow because Danks is pitching

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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 9:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Whether or not he should have been traded is OLD NEWS

And I don’t think Rangers fans are obligated to cheer for any teams in the post-season.

Personally, I will be cheering for the Rays (because I love what they’ve done) and the Cubs (because I was raised a Cubs fan and I heart Mark DeRosa).

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football i