Walbeck, Howe out
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 29, 2008 5:36 PM CDT
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PrintMatt Walbeck and Art Howe are out as coaches for the Rangers.
Jim Colburn goes back to heading up Eastern Rim scouting. Andy Hawkins will be a candidate for the pitching coach job, which they will be interviewing folks for.
Gary Pettis and Rudy Jaramillo are, apparently, coming back.
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WTF?
Howe, really?
Who the hell is going to shake Wash’s hand first after the Rangers win next year now?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Hopefully someone not afraid
to tell him he’s nuts with his lineups and bullpen usage.
In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.
awesome!
that should make everything better
i am glad the team was able to quickly identify the areas needing change and act decisively
Art Howe
I actually like that guy. Can’t really see how this could improve the team, but I guess we’ll have to see who replaces him.
Howe would be
a good grandpa…I was never too impressed with his managerial career.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
This little shake up
zzzz snooze zzzz
The real shake in the blender should be Ron Washington if you want my opinion. He should have been fired already.
Good to see that Pettis and Jaramillo are staying.
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
had no problem with either guy
but obviously our knowledge of the interactions with wash/JD and these guys are pretty limited.
so whatever, hopefully we have some good replacements in mind.
ot: miguel cabrera has a double through 6 in the final game of the season but no rbis, tieing hamilton in total bases and remaining 3 rbi behind him.
the preceding post was a great success.
game over
Cabrera k’d in his only other at bat.
Hamilton gets the rbi title.
the preceding post was a great success.
Morneau
Would any RBI he got tomorrow in the one game playoff not count? Not sure how that works.
by atlantaranger on Sep 29, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I know those stats won't count in fantasy baseball
I don’t think they should count towards regular season either. But that’s just me.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by The Best Micah on Sep 29, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes,
all stats count.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Boo
So Hammy could still lose the RBI title :(
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by The Best Micah on Sep 29, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha ha
I’m sure you have.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by The Best Micah on Sep 29, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah i just had this told to me on another forum
damn. didnt know there was yet another game. that sucks.
the preceding post was a great success.
Peterson isn't going to be some big miracle worker
I don’t mind Hawkins. I think getting some big name pitching coach here isn’t going to be the instant solution many think can happen.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
pshh
didn’t you see his work with victor zambrano
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
I'm a Terry Clark fanboy
but it’s kinda politically touchy to promote your AA guy past your AAA/MLB guy, I suppose.
I really don't understand how Walbeck is just let go
I wonder what his future holds.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
good
i don’t think howe was right for the rangers and im not sure a 3rd base coach can do anything but hurt the team. That arttice said that walbeck and washington never really meshed so if hes hurting the team, let him go.
good decision
"Tommy Hunter will be the best pitcher on the Rangers in 2009" Me- August 14th, 2008
To: Luis Mendoza "Please die in a fire." LSJ; PLEASE
JD is making a mistake
HE (JD) hired Wallbeck because Wally was suppose to be an up and coming coach. So how does it make sense that Wash gets to fire him after Wash throws in one the worst management jobs in baseball history,AND as soon as we are 5 games under .500 in April Wash will be gone anyways, so why is he getting to make these decisions? Unfortunately it looks like JD is tying himself to Wash, which I think will end up costing both of them there jobs. And JD has done an overall good job here, minus a few trades that went the other way he has turned this program around and on the right track.
wash did some things i had a problem with
but one of the worst management jobs as baseball history? what?
the preceding post was a great success.
No doubt
He had to play most of the AAA and AA players all year long and still almost pulled out a winning record.
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
question
the defense was considerably below average (possibly awful?). does this reflect on manager, or does he get pass?
taking into consideration that wash was touted as defensive specialist (i specifically remember this with regard to hank), does your opinion change?
i am very underwhelmed by washington and find little to change my opinion that this is not the guy that you want in charge of overseeing the development of young talent once they reach the big league level. these guys will have a lot of maturing/development left when the reach this level, and washington doesn’t strike me as the next joe madden. of course, i didn’t know madden was a madden either until this year.
by sam in so cal on Sep 29, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I never said he was Joe Torre
I said he should get credit for having to play with more rookies a Rangers team has ever seen and keeping them around .500. Yes the defense needs to get better but shouldn’t the whole coaching staff work on it with them not just Wash?
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
And Torre sucked
in his first few stops…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
well...
not to be a revisionist, but did joe torre ever win anything with a sub-$100 million roster (or whatever really big number you want to use)?
i’m sure that someone will be quick to point out the season(s) that joe torre developed a lot of new players and groomed them into a major league force, but in the interim i’ll remember the last few years that he made nothing out of a lot.
by sam in so cal on Sep 29, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
He had some with Atlanta in the mid 80s
and a couple of decent finishes with St. Louis in the early 90s. Other than that, you have to look at the mid 90s Yankees where the Yankees actually didn’t have a 100+ million dollar payroll (it was around 60 million then). So yeah, Toree did win a bit when he didn’t have a 100+ million dollar payroll. Not much and when he did, it was with some amazing talent that the Yankees had.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
He kept his team
busting their asses and getting better after a horrendous start. Was that not maturing/development of young guys…as in “never give up”? I sure as hell think it was. How many teams/players would have folded, quit, and put on their panties in the same situation?
By far the largest percentage of a MLB manager’s job is to keep the team behind him, with him, on the same page, and assuage the ego’s of these millionaires. Bunting, positioning, pitching changes and the like are often strongly hinted at by the coaches..that is their job. That is why it is so vitally important to have a bench coach you would trust with your life, and career.
Whatever you think of Wash, I feel he has strongly proved that he is a leader of men, and that is his primary job function.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
I spilled water on my pants today.
It was the worst day in the history of the universe.
by LiamP on Sep 29, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
ha
i was thinking it was caused by the White Sox playing the tie breaker tom. and Johnny Danks is going to pitch for the win
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
4 IP 9H 6ER 4BB 2K 2HR and a big L
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Thank you boomer!
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by The Best Micah on Sep 29, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
damn Mic
you want the twins to win? It appears boomer does. But, I thought you were with me on CWS and John Danks winning?
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope
Like I said, it’s nothing against Danks. I’m just tired of Rangers fans pining for him. Also, I greatly dislike Ozzie and A.J.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by The Best Micah on Sep 29, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I miss oral…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Rodney
tsk tsk tsk
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
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by The Best Micah on Sep 29, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad Howe is gone
I always wondered why he was here, save for the purpose of giving Wash “moral support”.
But as I stated in the pervious thread… it bothers me that they’re cutting Walbeck because he and Wash don’t get along. Walbeck seemed to have a pretty good relationship with the players, and seemed to be doing a pretty good job coaching our young catchers as well. But he’s gone because he couldn’t “gel” with a guy who probably shouldn’t be managing a baseball team, major or minor league. That sends the signal that we’re commiting to said doofus who can’t manage a baseball team, major or minor league, and that scares me. A lot.
"M’s fans are such weenies." - Zywica
Your disdain is blinding you.
The catchers as a collective sucked ass this season…no other way to put it. Walbeck did not come in here and “hang the moon”, he was below average, at best.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
I'm going by the improvement Salty showed
Behind the plate as the year progressed. Collectively they did suck overall, but things seemed to improve as the year went on, at least for the young guys.
"M’s fans are such weenies." - Zywica
Art Howe won more than 100 games
as a manager twice and went to the playoffs three times with the A’s.
He also got the young 90’s Astros team ramped up as well.
I don’t understand why Howe was let go and Washington gets to stay.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
interesting....
Wash helps in getting rid of the white coaches, but keeps the minorities.
I wonder what color coach Wash will want at 3B??
;-)
i like baseball too
Maybe they'll hire a Japanese pitching coach
so the kids can learn how to throw a breaking pitch
OT: I hope the Red Sox pile drive the Halo's
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
I'm split on that
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by The Best Micah on Sep 29, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
On a teams I hate scale
Just on these two:
Red Sox 6-7 They play in the East
Halos 9-10 They play us 19 times a year and…well hell I ran out of stem I just hate them more! lol
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I hope the Rays...
beat them all.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Damn.. no love for Johnny Danks
If CWS beat the Twins tomorrow it will be the CWS vs. the Rays. I’m cheering for the White Sox.
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
It's nothing against Danks
just the people who won’t LET IT GO
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by The Best Micah on Sep 29, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh so cause die hard Rangers Fans
who have followed Johnny Danks when he was the No. 1 now we should just say so what he has a chance to make the playoffs and maybe when the WS.
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
If you want to cheer for Danks, go for it
But just because I won’t does NOT mean I’m not a die hard Rangers fan.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by The Best Micah on Sep 29, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
I couldn’t agree more. I have been a die hard Rangers fan since 1976. I’m still pissed by the Bump Wills trade and don’t get me started about Walt Terrell and Rod Darling
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
so what is the problem???
Why in the hell are you not supporting John Danks and hoping he wins tomorrow?
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
because I'm not a lemming
I cheer for who I want and I don’t like the White Sox so I hope the Twins beat their ass. It’s really simple.
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
No we just don't need to hear
about it non stop every time he pitches not to mention I don’t think any of us give a damn about the Pale Ho’s. What’s done is done. Cheer for him if you like we just don’t want to hear about it. Let’s talk about Hurley or Harrison how about that?
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
My point is
I have followed John Danks for so long and so have other Rangers Fans. He should have never been traded. We fucked up. And don’t get me started on this JD screw up and all the screw ups he’s done. I’m pulling for John Danks because I love me some Johnny Danks. And Every Ranger fan should also be cheering on the CWS to win tomorrow because Danks is pitching
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Whether or not he should have been traded is OLD NEWS
And I don’t think Rangers fans are obligated to cheer for any teams in the post-season.
Personally, I will be cheering for the Rays (because I love what they’ve done) and the Cubs (because I was raised a Cubs fan and I heart Mark DeRosa).
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by The Best Micah on Sep 29, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
WOWOWWOW
I’ll also be cheering for the rays/cubs.
but if they meet in the WS
then I’ll go for the cubs, because I really want to see what happens when they win. I’m thinking redsox X1000
yeah... then bet on the Rays and Cubs
You’ll lose too.
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Well.. cheer on and wave your pom poms
for the Rays. If the CWS lose tom. then I really dont care. But, I’m hoping the CWS beat the Twins and play your team the Rays who you like winning
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
You should really
get off Danks nuts he might need them tomorrow.
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
Ok
That’s an awful visual.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by The Best Micah on Sep 29, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
"Asphalt me, ben. Asphalt me good and hard." - brettgardner
by inactive lsb user on Sep 29, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure he is thrilled you are there
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Who are you to tell us who
we are to cheer and not cheer for? So we should cheer for all Rangers past and present? Hell if that is the case the we should cheer for every team out there then. Yay let’s go Angels GMJ and Tex are grrrrrreat!
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
Danks
he’s wearing different laundry now, and i happen to not like the laundry he wears. So i really don’t care how well he does or does not do
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Sep 30, 2008 5:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can someone translate this post into English?
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 29, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure.. I'll translate
John Danks should have never been traded. Like I said…we fucked up.
And I was saying don’t get me started on the fact JD screwed up and all the screw ups he’s done as set this team back for several more years
And let me translate this again. Since you don’t understand.
I’m pulling for John Danks because I love me some Johnny Danks. And Every Ranger fan should also be cheering on the CWS to win tomorrow because Danks is pitching
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Should we cheer for
GMJ and Tex also?
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
I suppose DeRo would fall under this too
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by The Best Micah on Sep 29, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
And isn't Guardado with the Twins?
Hmmmm
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by The Best Micah on Sep 29, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey Kazmir is a Texan
We should cheer for him right? It would be unTexan if we didn’t.
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
Carlos Pena
He is home grown. Go Rays
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
there's a big difference
when you compare Teixeira and Danks.
John Danks was loved and is still loved.
Danks > Teixeira when it comes to fan support and who was the fan favorite.
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Teixeira
Who loves him now?
I’d bet you’d find more Texas fans that love Danks than they do Teixeira
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
The comon fan
probably doesn’t even know who Danks is since he never pitched for the Rangers. Tex has done more for the Rangers while he was here.
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
is the common baseball fan in Texas?
No.. but I can damn well tell you that most texas baseball fans know who John Danks is. And know John Danks is more known than ever.
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
"Asphalt me, ben. Asphalt me good and hard." - brettgardner
by inactive lsb user on Sep 29, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Aw shucks ma
Do I really have to throw the frog back in the water?
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
Amazing
I cheer for laundry. If it’s got a Ranger uniform on, I’m for ’em. If you waste too much emotion on an individual player, you turn into a whiner when that player is gone. And inevitably, they ALL go.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Sep 29, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
He likes John Danks
Get the hell out of his way, Adam!
"Asphalt me, ben. Asphalt me good and hard." - brettgardner
by inactive lsb user on Sep 29, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he likes Danks
More than I like Davis
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by The Best Micah on Sep 29, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
But does he like Danks...
…more than he likes Chris Young?
Or clown makeup?
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 29, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
He likes Danks and Young!
HE LIKES DANKS AND YOUNG!
by Brett Perryman on Sep 29, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
you want some funny
let me dig up some old post from peeps that were so confident that McCarthy was so much better than Danks. Oh and not to mention the peeps that thought Adam Eaton was so much better than Chris Young.
I’ve seriously puked several times when I think about both these trades that Jon Daniels did. It just makes me sick to think that Jon Daniels has completly screwed up nearly every trade he’s done
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Two trades
does not equal nearly every trade he’s done.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by The Best Micah on Sep 29, 2008 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Mic.. it's not
just two those two. It’s more. But, forget that.
Hey, Mic… can I email you? Lets talk.. or you can email me
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I suppose you can e-mail me if you want.
But why on earth would we need to continue this discussion? We don’t see eye to eye.
I agree that JD has messed up some trades, but he’s also gotten some (very fruitful ones) right.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." - oc
by The Best Micah on Sep 29, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
we can talk baseball
and maybe more
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Go CWS
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Go HH
"Asphalt me, ben. Asphalt me good and hard." - brettgardner
by inactive lsb user on Sep 29, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
ask Z
I’ve about gave up on this Rangers management. I have no faith in what is going on. And if you want to know. I’ve been a full season ticket holder for over 10 years.. blah
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Waste of time
I saw that there was about 50 new comments on this and thought intelligent was spoken. Well I guess not. Go Twins.
um.. the White Sox are going to win
just wanted to make that point
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 29, 2008 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I have nothing against Danks
let him have a great game, but still lose 2-1. I don’t care, as long as Guillen makes a press conference after he loses. He is priceless. I hate him, but he is priceless.
Danks will pitch a gem
and win this game
and Ozzie Guillen will be saying how good it was that CWS beat the Twins
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by hurlerhurley on Sep 30, 2008 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Long shot
Dave Duncan is free. He made $500k last year. LaRussa is in the final year of his deal next year. Any chance 3 years/$3m could get him? Is he worth it?
Also, Marty Mason has been Duncan’s bullpen coach for 8 years. Seems like he would get some consideration around the league just because of his relationship to Duncan. Anyone know anything about him?
by robert_d_wilfong on Sep 30, 2008 10:10 AM CDT reply actions
don't really agree with these moves..
but from a purely 3rd base perspective I don’t think it should be hard to find someone better at accurately gauging when it’s time to send and when it’s time to hold runners. hopefully people won’t get injured at the plate next year also.
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