HOLY CRAP: WHO'S OUR CATCHER? - THE THREAD
...Gerald Laird's unhappiness to split time with Taylor Teagarden has kinda brought the catching debacle to a head.
...It was certainly a hot-topic on Ranger's Replay after yesterday's win. Personally, I think this team has failed miserably in simplifying it's catching dilemna... It was a question mark last off-season, and appears to be a bigger one going into this off-season...
...just who in the hell is our catcher going forward?...
I'm kind of surprised at the amount of sympathy Laird's getting for feeling like he's being yo-yoed...
...what of Saltalamacchia? He's basically wasted a year of development playing back-up. You'd think he would have been better served playing in Oklahoma... but Taylor Teagarden was catching there. In so many words, Ogulnick said that he's seen enough to determine Salty will never get his D down... Look... the dude's 23. Without more playing time, who's to say Salty can't be a more defensively sound player? Huh? Bitch?
Some of you believe that Teagarden's playing time is probably some kind of showcase plot for the offseason. But, now with Gerry pissing on the fire... I kinda wonder if he would be the one on his way out...
PROS --- "veteran leadership"... of the four catchers, he's worked with the current rotation the most, even though they suck... gives you a little something at the bottom of the order, swinging and bunting... defensively sound...
CONS --- WANTS AN ANSWER NOW!... mysteriously starts to hit better when his playing time is threatened...
PROS --- handsome... young... cool name... supposedly has some pop... has become a more selective hitter... puts his arms around the pitchers on mound visits to let them know he cares... might have a better grasp with the younger pitchers? (is that too much of a stretch?)... controllable
CONS --- supposedly has some pop?... defensive liability, big time... trade value plummeting... can he improve?... not this year.
PROS --- local boy... according to Kevin Millwood, he calls a good game, but who the hell is Kevin Millwood?... has some pop... his glovework is said to be superior; the best of the bunch... controllable
CONS --- strikes out about as often as LAMF +1s... probably won't hit for a high average... has injury baggage...

PROS --- he's a young guy too... probably has the best bat of them all... Latin... has a good strong nose... versatile; can play first-base?...
CONS --- I couldn't help but notice every time you catch, OUR PITCHERS GIVE UP 20 RUNS... you're probably not a catcher anyway, but thanks for holding on to the ball that one time...
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Of these four guys, I'd say Ramirez's job is the safest. People foresee him as a Mickey Tettleton type... great bat, and can catch when you need him to.
So...
If Gerald Laird is traded... I'd imagine it would be to a team on the cusp of competing quickly... Boston maybe? Florida?
If Jarrod Saltalamacchia is traded... I'd imagine it would be to a team in full-rebuilding mode... ala Kansas City, Cincinatti. You'd think said trade partner would immediately make him their starting catcher, thus allowing him to sharpen his skillz... (you know, the Rangers are in rebuilding mode)...
If Taylor Teagarden is traded... I'd imagine it's also to a team in rebuilding mode. Would someone like Boston come calling for Teagarden, even though he really hasn't established himself in the bigs yet? Wouldn't they ask for Gerry first? Would the Rangers trust Teagarden enough to give him the entire '09 season to figure it out? Why would he leapfrog the higher-ceiling Saltalamacchia?
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One thing is certain... one of these guys will not be in Surprise next spring.
DUN-DUN-DUN-DUNNN!...
DUN-DUN-DUN-DUNNN!
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Catchers
Laird is correct. Having 4 starting-caliber catchers at the ML/AAA level all needing and deserving playing time is creating a mess. All of the trade talk and having to worry about if/when you are going to play has to be difficult. We really need to get this sorted out this offseason. My preference would be to keep Salty as the primary catcher and bring up Max as the backup catcher/starting DH. I would trade Laird and Teagarden to the highest bidders. Laird is what he is….an average to above average catcher with the most amount of service time of the group. He makes the least amount of sense for us to commit to long term. I don’t have faith in Teagarden’s bat at his age and would prefer trading him soon, while we can still point to the excellent numbers he put up last year. If he puts up his 2008 numbers again in 2009, his value is gone.
I’d give Salty all next year as the starting catcher. If his bat never comes around, Max can step in as the starting catcher, and Salty can move to backup. We should then have some good DH options available to replace Max at that position, if necessary.
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by BCanfield on Sep 3, 2008 3:53 AM CDT 0 recs
I find it curious that you seem to be so much quicker to write off TT than Salts
Can you elaborate?
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by Brian Thomas on
Sep 4, 2008 8:27 PM CDT
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This will be a good test
for Junior Daniels. One of the reasons given for having minor league depth is the ability to convert it via trades to help at the major league level. We obviously have a lot of options at Catcher, and JD has to trade at least 2 catchers to make up room. So far he was unable to get anything done last offseason or this midseason. I wonder if he can get anything done this offseason.
I’d like to see Laird gone, because its fairly clear he isn’t anything special, just a Rod Barajas starter kit. Except Barajas used to have periods where he still would play fairly well, even when he wasnt competing for the starting catcher gig. Laird seems to only play well when he loses playing time due to competition.
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by DJCahill on Sep 3, 2008 4:11 AM CDT 0 recs
All I know for sure is I want Laird gone
I’m tired of him and his inflated ego, and I’m tired of his presence disrupting the debate between the three young guys. I don’t care if he’s supposed to be “our best catcher for the here and now” Salty, Max and Tea should all turn out to be better players than him long-term. And long-term is what we should be looking at, not here and now.
As far as next year goes, I still don’t think at this point Teagarden will hit enough to justify starting him over Salty and Max (unless somehow both of them wind up tanking, which I just don’t see). I’m very interested to see if Tea can shatter my doubts this September of course, but that’s my current opinion. I think he starts 2009 as an oft-used backup to either Max or Salty.
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
by lonestarJon on Sep 3, 2008 5:57 AM CDT 0 recs
How come no Max as an option?
weak
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by Dirk Diggler on Sep 3, 2008 7:39 AM CDT 0 recs
MaxRam: 8.27 ERA in 74 C innings this year 6/19-7/25
Salt: 5.34 ERA in 128 C innings over same time period.
Small sample, of course.
by robert_d_wilfong on
Sep 3, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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This post
was amusingly awful and awesome at the same time. Weird.
by JBImaknee on Sep 3, 2008 8:43 AM CDT 0 recs
it probably would have been more entertaining if i included REAL pictures.
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by oc on
Sep 3, 2008 11:21 PM CDT
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I'm waiting for you to do a pic of Greinke
With the T drawn on to his cap.
We need to hire Chuck Norris to kick the ass of any Ranger fan caught booing one of our young pitchers at the RBiA.
by lonestarJon on
Sep 4, 2008 4:58 AM CDT
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Laird
I voted for Laird to be the one starting because basically what I want, never really materializes. Laird is the most seasoned catcher of the bunch and if the team goes forward I think it will be a Tea-Laird combo with Max doing the OKC-Arlington shuttle and Salty dealt away. Tea will get a start every 5th day, and Laird will struggle for it.
However, JD has one Ace in the hole that might’ve just slipped past the other GM’s out there is that Laird thrives in a platoon situation. Him and Barajas was a good combo (for laird), him and Salty was a good combo as well (That’s when we started winning when Salty was brought up). When he’s the prime option, he flounders a bit. If other GM’s just look at his raw numbers they’ll see a good Catcher option. I HOPE a GM comes to JD with an offer he can’t refuse for Laird because it’s obvious JD needs a LOT to deal Gerry.
For the club, trading Laird is the best option, so as Captain Picard would say…Make it so.
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by Hypo-Luxa on Sep 3, 2008 8:50 AM CDT 0 recs
as of today
Laird is the best all around catcher, but Teagarden’s bat and Salty’s defense and power could still come around. Laird should be dealt this offseason. Either alone or in a package, he should bring back a starter. The Marlins are going to arb with Nolasco, Olsen, and Johnson, and I like all three of those names (especially Johnson). We have the resources to make that happen, but look at the Marlins trade history: they don’t get screwed, so pray for JD if a deal goes down.
Salty probably should not be traded, unless he can land a solid young pitcher. Despite our sentiments here, I think he still has quite a bit of value because of his age, makeup, and offensive potential.
I am incredibly weary of Teagarden’s bat. The two HRs have come at clutch times, but he Ks way too much. Even if he improves, we are still looking at at least one every 4 ABs, and more likely one every three ABs.
Max is a wild card. The most complete hitter of the four by a mile, he also has the least defensive projection at the position. Even if we keep Bradley, he should be kept around as our future DH.
by clark on Sep 3, 2008 9:36 AM CDT 0 recs
One would hope Laird is the best
since he is in the prime of his career. Unfortunately, it’s not much of a prime, basicly what he is roughly equivalent to Rod Barajas. I think we are better off trading him before he goes FA, and we might get something in return. Salty, Teagarden, and Ramirez are still 4 or more years from prime age.
I think if we traded Laird away, and the other 3 didn’t pan out, I think we could get a Laird equivalent as a 4A, all glove no bat minor leaguer.
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by DJCahill on
Sep 3, 2008 10:14 AM CDT
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25% K rate
that is fine, if he hits hits PECOTA, he’ll be a far better player than Laird despite the similar OPS.
by FirebatM3 on
Sep 3, 2008 11:33 AM CDT
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I am incredibly weary of Teagarden’s bat. The two HRs have come at clutch times, but he Ks way too much. Even if he improves, we are still looking at at least one every 4 ABs, and more likely one every three ABs.
Whats wrong with that? I mean I’d rather have a catcher that calls a great game, makes clutch hits, and can grow with the pitchers, then one who can’t. Having a catcher with as much pop? as Salty does doesn’t really matter to me because guys around him(Davis, Hammy, Kins, Etc.) make up for his questionable bat.
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by NYTXFAN on
Sep 3, 2008 7:43 PM CDT
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laird
has hit his upside. i think if we can trade him away this winter while his value is about as high as it will get, we will make out for the best.
salty is intriguing and i love the fact that he walks as much as he does as a catcher. his bat has been inconsistent this year but i still feel like its just a few hundred at-bats from breaking out. i would put him at the front of the list, except for the fact that we already score plenty of runs and give up way too many. so perhaps itd be wiser to go with teagarden, instead of taking a step backwards on an already sketchy defense.
i think all are viable candidates in one way or the other and it should really come down to which one(s) we can use to squeeze out the best pitching in a trade and whomever is left will be our starter.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Sep 3, 2008 10:44 AM CDT 0 recs
this is the best plan
Take whatever you can get for Laird.
Install Max as DH/3rd catcher.
Target a pitcher that you like and deal whichever of Teabags and Salty is most appealing to the trade partner. The other one that is left becomes starter for the Rangers.
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by tricer on
Sep 3, 2008 12:21 PM CDT
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IOW
I’m not really all that concerned with keeping the best catcher, I’d much rather get the best pitcher we can get for a catcher.
Warner Madrigal makes Ezequiel Astacio look downright handsome.
by tricer on
Sep 3, 2008 12:22 PM CDT
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agreed
even the worst of this lot should still be a very capable big leaguer.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on
Sep 3, 2008 12:42 PM CDT
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Cincinatti
I think you’ve missed by putting them in full rebuild mode. With Jocketty and Dusty there that team wants to win in 2009, and they’ve got a lot of talent. They will want Laird, not Salty.
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by t ball on Sep 3, 2008 12:51 PM CDT 0 recs
Well I'd just go ahead and
trade Laird to them. Personally, I’d rather have Salty anyways.
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by hinduplaya on
Sep 3, 2008 2:53 PM CDT
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The Reds have Ryan Hanigan
He’s gonna be the best catcher in the league by the end of next season. Write that down.
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by thedirkatron on
Sep 3, 2008 3:41 PM CDT
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OT: The Doders moving Martin to 3b?
I know we’ve all been salivating over the stable of young arms the Dodgers have but we’ve never been a good match with them. According to a note on MLB Trade Rumors Peter Gammons says the Dodgers are seriously considering moving Russel Martin to 3b permanently, I’m assuming to reduce the wear and tear on him and to get his bat in the lineup every day.
This probably won’t come to fruition but it’s pretty to think on it. I know I’m crazy to keep my pipe dream of dumping Franchise Face on them for Andruw Jones, but what if we were to sweeten the pot with a nice defensive catcher like Laird-o? Heck, even without the pipe-dreamy FF angle I’d still love to see us try to pry Scott Elbert away from ’em.
Anyways, just noting what could be a nice development for us if we look to deal a catcher this off season.
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by thedirkatron on Sep 3, 2008 3:50 PM CDT 0 recs
Peter Gammons....
also happened to once say that the Mets would regret trading Brian Bannister more than Scott Kazmir
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by hinduplaya on
Sep 3, 2008 5:15 PM CDT
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His opinions on individual players are pretty silly
When he likes a guy he loses all objectivity and he just can’t shut up about him. I still chuckle whenever I think about his infamous “Bobby Crosby for MVP” declaration.
However, he still seems to be pretty plugged in around the league.
If he says the Dodgers are considering a move, then I believe him.
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by thedirkatron on
Sep 3, 2008 5:30 PM CDT
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OMFT...
Has done better than I thought he would this year.
I’m just so sick and tired of listening to him bitch and complain, even if he’s right about the catching situation.
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by slc ranger on Sep 3, 2008 5:27 PM CDT 0 recs
What did he do that was so wrong?
I love that people complain about how athletes are so boring and robotic in their interviews, saying shit we know they don’t really feel just so as to not rock the boat, and then the second a guy comes out and says what we all know he’s really thinking (that he wants to play the freaking game and not ride the pine) we rip him for it.
We suck, guys.
We really, really do.
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by thedirkatron on
Sep 3, 2008 5:32 PM CDT
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Here is an answer to one of your CONS
“CONS - WANTS AN ANSWER NOW!… mysteriously starts to hit better when his playing time is threatened..”
Maybe because he is a part time player.
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by NYTXFAN on Sep 3, 2008 7:44 PM CDT 0 recs
Another answer
“according to Kevin Millwood, he calls a good game, but who the hell is Kevin Millwood?”
Milly is a veteran and it’s hard, normally, for a young catcher to garner the type of statement Milly made.
Add Nippert to the list of pitchers who like his game calling skills. And before you even say “well who the hell is Nippert and why should I care about him”, ASK YOURSELF THIS- Did JD find a hidden gem in Nipps? I think he has. Nipps was a former 1st rounder who was highly regarded. A once untouchable prospect in baseball who fell into a roster jam on his previous team and who couldn’t capitalize on his potential when that “roster jam” came about. If he can capitalize on his oppourtunity in Arlington, he is gonna make a very interesting battle this spring training on a SP role.
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by NYTXFAN on Sep 3, 2008 7:50 PM CDT 0 recs
Rangerchick is not getting her due
Haters…
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by Brian Thomas on Sep 4, 2008 8:30 PM CDT 0 recs
Teagarden is the answer...
Why would we possibly give up someone who can help our PITCHING?! And he has a decent bat to boost. Injuries aside he’s a no-brainer.
Max can be the DH/Backup.
If no one throws a decent deal for Laird then I’d platoon him and Teagarden.
As for Salty I just don’t see him sticking. I’m starting to be convinced of this.
by slimshadty12 on Sep 6, 2008 1:14 AM CDT 0 recs
The way to help our pitching
would be to get a real SS, and a real CF, and slide MY and Hamilton over to corners. Our Defense appears to cost the ERA over half of a run, if you look at DIPS%.
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