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Palin Speech Gameday thread.

Posts on the last one are approaching 700 and with the VP speech I can see it doubling so I decided to make a new thread. While I don't engage in any talk in these threads I genuinely enjoy seeing people duke it out and have legitimate arguments. Also to the non political savvy like myself, once you sift through the name calling you learn some stuff...

Quotes via Dstar:

Here’s a quote from the pre-released excerpts: "I’m not a member of the permanent political establishment. And I’ve learned quickly, these past few days, that if you’re not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone. But here’s a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I’m not going to Washington to seek their good opinion – I’m going to Washington to serve the people of this country. …"

ZING!

here’s a better one: "I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town. I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids’ public education better. When I ran for city council, I didn’t need focus groups and voter profiles because I knew those voters, and knew their families, too. Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown. And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a ‘community organizer,’ except that you have actual responsibilities. …"

ZING 2!!!

link: http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/03/excerpts-from-palin-speech-small-town-and-proud-of-it/

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Her contention that she did more as mayor than Obama did as an organizer, then I bet he’d love to have that debate.

by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 7:49 PM CDT   0 recs

I'm curious

if she was ever successful in banning books at the Wasilla library.

by SteveP on Sep 3, 2008 8:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

You have the whole internet at your disposal. Go!

by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 8:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You have to

Give a little to get a little.

Start up a blog, and be rewarded.

by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 8:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

question

Just what is a community organizer and what were his accomplishments?

Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.

by RangerMad on Sep 3, 2008 8:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno

by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 9:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i would like to know as well

"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich

by knockoutking on Sep 4, 2008 10:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not sure

but I think Palin lost the coveted “community organizer” vote with that joke.

O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Sep 4, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

well played

"This report of my death was an exaggeration"--Mark Twain

by rangerdanger on Sep 5, 2008 12:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually, more seriously

Given that the GOP had a theme of “service” for the convention I find it odd that they used a line like that, which essentially belittles service at the community level.

O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
und freudenvollere.

by t ball on Sep 5, 2008 7:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah I mean that was just hilarious...

You know, when they shit on people trying to make a difference in communities. That was awesome. Real American heroes, those Republicans.

What’s next, will they drop a hot steamy Cleveland Steamer on Police officers? How about some non-profit organizations?

Oh, it’s going to be awesome when they literally drop a deuce on Mother Theresa’s grave. I heard Palin has dibs on the first squat.

by cmkelly29 on Sep 5, 2008 12:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah...

they should have shit on small town mayors.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Sep 5, 2008 12:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure, they've attacked her on her lack of political experience...

but did they laugh at the profession in front of a national audience?

The fact that so many people say “Haha, oh man.. what does a community organizer even do? What a crock job!” is quite sad.

It’s pretty much like saying “He worked for a Boys and Girls club! Haha! How pathetic! He was keeping kids off of the streets! Trying to help children with drug-addict parents! What a crock!”

It hits below the belt for people who do this kind of work.

Rudy Giuliani stood up there and laughed about it. Sarah Palin made jokes about it. It’s not really that funny.

Would it have been funny if one of the Democrats made jokes about one of McCain’s old roles?

“Ha! That dumb mother fucker got himself into a Vietnamese POW camp! What a fuckin’ idiot! Maybe if he wasn’t such a maverick, he wouldn’t have been caught!”

No, it’s not funny.

by cmkelly29 on Sep 5, 2008 1:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is how the game is played...

They attacked her lack of experience, she turns around and attacks his lack of experience.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Sep 5, 2008 3:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No, they mocked the profession

saying there were no responsibilities involved.

by cmkelly29 on Sep 5, 2008 12:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They mocked her profession

saying the same thing.

Notice how no one brought up the fact that Obama was a “community organizer” until everyone started saying that being mayor of a tiny town in Alaska was a worthless job. They opened that line of attack – don’t be surprised when it gets deflected back at them.

by JBImaknee on Sep 5, 2008 12:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

No, that’s not true.

The criticism wasn’t that being a mayor was a worthless job, or that being mayor of a small town was worthless. It was just that that job didn’t qualify one to be VP or President.

The Obama criticism was an indictment on “community organizers” as a whole group. If they had only said that community organizers aren’t per se qualified to be President, then that would be a valid criticism.

Not what happened, though.

by brettgardner on Sep 5, 2008 12:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe

not from the Obama camp. They have mostly stuck to critiquing its preparedness. He’s been very smart and political in dealing with Palin. And to be fair, they never really touted Obama’s past as preparing him for anything either.

But from the other sources, there was definitely a condescension towards the job itself – both the mayorship (?) and being governor of Alaska. Obama has an issue with certain wings of his party, who vocalize things that muddle his message. He’s done an admirable job of keeping his campaign proper and fair in their critiques, but not so much with other democrats and liberals.

But whatever – no one could be surprised that she would come back with something like that. Its a fluffy job title – the type of things liberals love and conservatives hate. Red meat for the delegates, and offensive to liberals. But do you really think anyone who is out there to be wooed cares at all about that comment? I’m pretty sure anyone who considers themselves a “community organizer” is voting for Obama. And anyone who knows people who are “community organizers” are also probably voting for Obama.

by JBImaknee on Sep 5, 2008 1:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

I think you’re painting with a rather broad stroke, but no, I don’t think any community organizers were offended to the point of changing their votes.

That doesn’t make it valid criticism, though.

I agree with your point about the so-called “red meat”, but these conventions have expanded to beyond the die-hards in attendance. There’s a national audience, too, and not all of them are decided. I just think that critiques which have no substantive impact on the election are more than a little immature. Certainly, I don’t make the claim that that happens only within the McCain circle or at the RNC. Democrats are just as guilty.

I suppose my biggest rub was that with the DNC, all the speakers were unified in their message. Now, whether you think that message is valid or a bunch of bullshit, it was still pretty on target all the way to Obama.

McCain’s speech calling for bipartisanship and mending of fences struck me as a bit hollow coming after 2 nights of the most extreme partisanship one could ever hope to see.

by brettgardner on Sep 5, 2008 1:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Palin would destroy Obama.

"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno

by Longhorn on Sep 3, 2008 9:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Haha.

Pure gold.

by Athos on Sep 3, 2008 9:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm sure she was a fine

mayor for the Meth capitol of Alaska. Begging Washington for more money. That helps the local economy so more folks can get their crank.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

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by DJCahill on Sep 4, 2008 1:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But P Diddy

said Alaska doesn’t have any crack-heads. This somehow make her unqualified for VP.

Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Sep 4, 2008 8:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It will take a while

To sort out the chunks from the cesspool that will be thrown. Too bad politics has sunk to finding ways to discredit the opponent rather than validate one’s own intentions. I’m really depressed about the negative characteristics of the two party system.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Sep 3, 2008 8:13 PM CDT   0 recs

In fairness

Other countries with stronger third parties have just as much bickering.

by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 8:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

other countries also have violence

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Sep 3, 2008 8:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Local Governing

Leading a local government isn’t a real feather in your cap. While exceptions certainly apply, that is not a place for real intelligence (academic or common sense).

by e1 on Sep 3, 2008 8:21 PM CDT   0 recs

Yeah.

I mean, have the people who are lauding her mayoral or city council experience ever actually spent any time at those institutions? Good Christ, it should be a negative.

by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 8:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wrong perception

The label of “mayor” or “councilman” seems to have this down-home connotation that isn’t supported by the actual experience. Especially in the metroplex our elected officials are driven by the same treacherous motives that the supposed “Washington insiders” have.

This country lives so much by the sound byte that we don’t even understand the bytes that are delivered.

by e1 on Sep 3, 2008 8:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pretty much all politcs is a negative

I’m very wary of anyone who chooses that as a career path. Either they are obsessed with political minutiae (they are a nerd), they are power hungry, or they aer far too codependent about their fellow citizens. Either way, I’m not sure I want them making decisions that affect my life. (no offense, BG, as I guess this is what you do for a living…)

I guess a few of them are exceptions – thrust into office by circumstances beyond their control.

by JBImaknee on Sep 3, 2008 9:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No offense taken.

I don’t do anything for a living. I’m a student.

by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 9:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Beware of Live Microphone

The roundtable didn’t didn’t realize their microphone was still on. Here is Chuck Todd, Mike Murphy and Peggy Noonan’s real thoughts on Palin. I included the link in which you can listen to it.

Peggy Noonan, Wall Street Journal columnist and former Reagan speech writer, and Mike Murphy, writer for Time, McCain Advisor (soon to be former?) and contributor to MSNBC were speaking with MSNBC political director Chuck Todd.Murphy says, "This is not going to work.

Noonan adds, “It’s over.”

Then, Chuck Todd asks, “is this the most qualified woman they could have picked?”

Noonan replies, “The most qualified? No. I think they went for this, excuse me, political bullshit about narratives. …Every time the Republicans do that, because that’s not where they live and it’s not what they’re good at, they blow it.”

Murphy adds, "You know what’s really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism.

Chuck finishes his sentence— "and this is so cynical, and, as you called it, gimmicky. "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq4sOM4tpno

by Monkey Brain on Sep 3, 2008 8:22 PM CDT   0 recs

Ooh.

Juicy. I love it. Thanks for the find.

by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 8:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Also

I completely agree with Murphy’s point about McCain.

by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2008 8:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Me too...

It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Still, I stand by my original thought that I would be happy with either of these guys as president. Especially with the other choices that were available (both this year and in the previous couple elections…)

by GhettoBear04 on Sep 3, 2008 10:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

from here on out

what will be pulled more? race card or sexism card

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Sep 3, 2008 8:32 PM CDT   0 recs

Racism

Racism by far. Anyone that disagree’s needs to look up what happened in Penn. in the Democratic Primary when people told pollsters that they wouldn’t vote for Barack because he’s black.

by Monkey Brain on Sep 3, 2008 8:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Sexism Card

Will be pulled by McCain everytime Palin struggles but racism is very powerful and actually exsist in this election as I stated above

by Monkey Brain on Sep 3, 2008 8:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And black people wont vote for mccain

because hes white?

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 8:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"Why did

black people distrust Ronald Reagan? Because he was white? That is correct!"

by AirJordan on Sep 3, 2008 8:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yet they trusted Bill Clinton

Hell I’m white and I never trusted Reagan not because he was white but because I really didn’t think he was qualified.

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 3, 2008 8:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And you probably feel the

same about Obama too?

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 8:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No I'm a Obama supporter

Thank you for asking.

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 3, 2008 8:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh I thought you said above that you

cared about experience. LOL

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 8:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

but...but...

war hero!

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Sep 3, 2008 8:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you comparing JFK's experience to Obama's?

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 8:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is why we should stick to baseball

And stay away from this.

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 3, 2008 9:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't understand why experience is such a big deal

Being a Senator or a Representative for x amount of years doesn’t contribute or count as executive experience. McCain being in the senate longer than Obama shouldn’t really make that much of a difference in this election.

by hiafex on Sep 3, 2008 9:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

McCain at least had

decision making responsibilities when he was in the military, controlling his squad and making tactical decisions. Obama has never done anything like that.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 4, 2008 1:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't get what that has to do with anything

And that occurred like 30 years ago. Leave the tactical decisions up to the Generals and the Secretary of Defense. This isn’t a military dictatorship we’re talking about.

by hiafex on Sep 4, 2008 1:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Of course it isn't a military dictatorship

it shows that McCain has been in charge of something and had to make decisions by himself where he was responsible for the results of those decisions. That’s what the presidency is all about.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 4, 2008 1:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmmm

And only those who are in the military make decisions and take responsibility for those decisions. The president doesn’t make decisions by himself, that’s why a cabinet is appointed.

by hiafex on Sep 5, 2008 1:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ultimately

he decides…

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 5, 2008 1:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And he's likely not to go against his advisors opinions

Can you name some things that McCain made a decision on during his military escapades?

by hiafex on Sep 5, 2008 1:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What?

" McCain at least had

decision making responsibilities when he was in the military, controlling his squad and making tactical decisions. Obama has never done anything like that."

You’re saying Obama has never led anything or made important decisions in his lifetime?

by cmkelly29 on Sep 5, 2008 1:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's correct

I’m saying that he hasn’t made any decisions that bear responsibilities that are equitable to McCain’s.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 5, 2008 1:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a Chapelle show reference...

Just trying to be funny, didn’t work.

by AirJordan on Sep 3, 2008 8:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry I never have watched that show

Although I hear its very good.

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Sep 3, 2008 8:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Buy them on DVD...

you won’t be disappointed

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 3, 2008 10:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

African Americans

They vote 90 percent Dem even with a white guy. So they usually vote Democratic anyways. Racism will be more powerful than sexism in this election. Several southern Dems will vote Republican in this election. Palin was a weak choice so they are going to pull the sexism card everytime she struggles

by Monkey Brain on Sep 3, 2008 8:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What Southern states gave their electoral votes to

Kerry in 2004? Oh wait, none. Your argument is pretty irrelevant.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 8:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just like Blacks vote for

white guys according to you, southern states give their electoral votes to Republicans…

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 8:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Um....

I didn’t say that he’s going to win a southern state. I said several Southerrn Dems will not vote for Barack. 90 percent of African Americans vote for Dem anyway. So you need to read my comments again before you can argue. Racism is more powerful if you disagree than you are in the tank for McCain.

by Monkey Brain on Sep 3, 2008 8:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know you said that....

but see the election works off of an electoral system. It doesn’t matter if 49% or 0% of Southern Dems vote Democrat. As long as they’re in the minority, they still lose.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Sep 3, 2008 8:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i think obama has a shot at virginia

and i think he has a shot at new mexico and colorado. i believe that if all other states stay the same, that gets him the election. he should still campaign in florida, michigan, minnesota, new hampshire and ohio just in case though.

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Sep 3, 2008 8:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

agree

i think he spends a ton of time in Virginia, and that alone is why I was surprised he didn’t go with Kaine.

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by willamos2 on Sep 3, 2008 8:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

the mistake of the media (an myself included) pointing at palin’s experience taking obama’s lack there of off the table is that it compares obama to the VP nominee and not to mcsame.

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Sep 3, 2008 8:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Obama

If the election were held today he would win New Mexico and Iowa. He only needs to carry Colorado or Viriginia (If he carries all the Kerry states). Right now Obama has a 64% chance of winning in Colorado and 61% in Virginia.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

by Monkey Brain on Sep 3, 2008 8:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i would LOVE

for him to win missouri. if i’m not mistaken i think the winner of missouri and arkansas wins the presidency going back to 1968

http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Sep 3, 2008 8:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Missouri has voted for the winning president

every time except for 1956- voted Stevenson over Eisenhower- since 1904. now thats a good streak…..

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by hinduplaya on Sep 3, 2008 9:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

those numbers are about to change drastically

in an hour. For better or worse.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

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