New podcast up
We have a new podcast up, with special guest Evan Grant...
I tended to ramble a bit early on, but I think it ended up being one of the best podcasts we've done, with Evan having a lot of good stuff that I hadn't heard/read before...
Definitely one you'll want to check out...
You can get the iTunes version here, or download the regular version here.
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Dayton Moore
You guys are onto something with that Moore-former Braves connection. There’s a chance for a deal there in the manner that Doug Melvin has gravitated towards former Rangers a few times. Grant’s feelings on the cost for Greinke (Andrus and Salty, not one but both) seem right and I’d do that deal, frankly.
We need to start asking Grant to get some info from the team on the infield grass. I want some sort of explanation as to why they keep it that way. Every bit helps.
In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.
You know...
It didn’t really click with me until Grant started talking about the Royals really liking Andrus, but the fact that Moore brought a lot of the guys we got in the Teixeira trade to Atlanta seems to make us a good fit in a deal like that.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 30, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I also think it is interesting...
…that Grant suggests that Greinke:Andrus::Beckett:Ramirez. Andrus being the guy that the Royals will have to get from Texas if they send the Rangers Greinke, but also the guy that, if the Rangers are willing to part with him, no one else will be able to trump our deal.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 30, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what I was thinking
He’s the guy that makes Greinke ours if we want him and that is a huge advantage to have in the trade market. It also makes me feel a lot better about a trade for Greinke knowing that we might not have to overpay but just deal one great prospect along with some other talent instead of having to sell off the top pieces of the farm.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I'd only do that deal
in conjunction with a move for Hardy like what Adam suggested the other day.
"So he tore it up in AA. Yippee. ...Max Ramirez be damned." - bigsteve
and then
the position prospect depth would basically be gone, but we’d have a team with a potential front rotation starter, greatly improved IF defense, and a 2 year window to compete or resign Hardy/Greinke. It’s interesting to think about.
I think JD’s best course of action might be mostly inaction, but I think that there is going to be an impetus to start heading this thing towards contention sooner than later, and these couple of moves would certainly give a push towards that goal.
"So he tore it up in AA. Yippee. ...Max Ramirez be damned." - bigsteve
With or without Hardy
You don’t have to have Hardy if you deal Andrus. Young is going to be at SS for 2009 anyway, you can see how Lemon and Vallejo develop and explore other options over the next year. I don’t see how one move necessitates the other.
In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.
dealing for Greinke
You only have him for 2 years, so if trading away valuable pieces of the farm to land him, it only makes sense to me if you are going to try and put some other pieces in place so that we could be competitive during that 2 year time frame.
"So he tore it up in AA. Yippee. ...Max Ramirez be damned." - bigsteve
If he keeps pitching
like he has been why on earth would they let him go? They can lock him up for another couple-three years. And besides, he addresses the team’s biggest weakness in a huge way.
In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.
If the IF defense remains as it has been
why on earth would he choose to stay here when he could test the FA market and pitch wherever he wants?
"So he tore it up in AA. Yippee. ...Max Ramirez be damned." - bigsteve
We pay him
before he hits FA. A big enough amount makes him not risk that final season.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
and he sees
the mountain of talent on the way as the team improves.
In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.
Heh
I just think that by that time, if the Rangers are nearing or in contention Hicks will be more than ready to open his wallet a bit, especially for a pitcher that’s winning games.
In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.
I don't think...
I would be willing to deal both Salty and Andrus for Greinke.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
+1
But I can see where that’s the market value for him.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Sep 30, 2008 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't listened to the podcast yet, but has anyone brought up Mike Moustakas?
Isn’t he supposed to be their long-term answer at shortstop? What of Mike Aviles?
I’m just wondering why Moore would ask for Andrus before he’d ask for Davis.
The Royals greatest need is a power bat.
If Moore covets Andrus
I think I’ve heard somewhere they’d consider moving Aviles to 2B in some circrumstances. They’d then have a very strong middle. Moustakas is at 3B.
In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.
Best
of the season. Everything brought up evoked some insights. Thanks!
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Sep 30, 2008 2:22 PM CDT reply actions
Infield defense
EG’s pretty dispassionate about infield defense w/r/t pitching.
Jamey, you feel the same?
Go Strangers.
My assumption on defense vs pitching is that
improving the range of your infielders will save runs at a far smaller rate than simply improving the quality of your pitchers, like Evan opined. My assumption is that the difference is vast – like 6% vs 50%. I guess what I’m wondering is how truly smart is it to bash Michael Young over his defense while the staff stanks? It’s like arguing over the width and length of the firehose before you ever get around to buying a firetruck to get it near the fire. Am I wrong about the difference in effectiveness at preventing runs between great pitching and great defense?
and to further argue the point
you could say that better pitching will likely have a positive effect on the infielders. If they’re constantly being pelted with balls hit hard and dealing with way too many baserunners because of stupid walks and HBPs, it has a negative effect.
On the other hand, I’d like them to do everything possible to help run prevention. Get better pitchers, of course, but why stop there? Get better defense with better players, better positioning, etc. And slow that damn infield down a bit. Make sure the catchers are spending every waking hour studying opponents, getting to know their pitchers’ repertoire, personalities, favorite foods, etc. Do it all.
In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.
Finally, a rational thought process.
Thanks, shroom & t ball.
I’m not a MY fanboy, to any extent…but, it seems many are pinning the failures of this team on him exclusively. Pelted by hitters, molested by baserunners, and pissed at the pitchers…that is what I can imagine many of the fielders feel.
Better positioning? Coming soon…as Wash alluded to, MY needs to position himself better. New infield/bench coach…done.
Better catching? Coming soon…as I said in other threads, I did not see any value/results from Mr. Walbeck this year…the catching was abysmal.
Sigh…it’s all about the pitching, stupid.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Disagree with Newberg
I couldn’t disagree with Newberg more on the notion that we should trade some depth for a controllable player. This team needs to fail with a pitching prospect before it trades one. This team has missed so many times (McCarthy), that it needs to avoid the idea of trading a pitching prospect for a guy that is supposed to be better.
So you wouldn't trade a pitching prospect?
It’s that simple for you? Would you trade Michael Ballard for Ricky Nolasco?
by Jamey Newberg on Sep 30, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd trade Nolan Ryan for Ricky Nolasco
by Joey Matschulat on Sep 30, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions

"Asphalt me, ben. Asphalt me good and hard." - brettgardner
by inactive lsb user on Sep 30, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Wrong thread
the post your picture thread is to your right…
In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.
Grienke lovefest?
What’s with the Grienke love fest? Isn’t everyone complaining about the mental toughness of our pitchers? Do the you really think he has the head to be a championship pitcher? I pass on Grienke.
Saltalamacchia and Andrus for Greinke
It isn’t a slam dunk, but I would be inclined to make that deal. Greinke is one of the best pitchers in the AL and would be a legitimate #1 starter. He has an ERA+ around 130 the last couple years, he has had success in the AL, and he is 24.
More importantly, though, I don’t think giving up Saltlamacchia and Andrus would really compromise our very deep farm system. It would take a hit, sure. But if we are able to get an ace-caliber young starter without giving up Holland, Feliz or Davis, you have to be pretty satisfied.
Nevertheless, I must add one caveat. I would try to deal for Nolasco before Greinke, if only because Nolasco would be under team control for 4 seasons. If a package of Andrus and Saltalamacchia could net us Nolasco, I look into that before Greinke.
G'agree
If you are going to shop Andrus, I do not understand the obession on Greinke. This Greinke love has become a fixation at this point, to me.
If, as some say, he is the best SS prospect in the game, would you not throw his name out to every GM in the universe?
Mr. G may not be the best you may get, with a creative GM such as JD.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Concur...
for both Salty and Andrus.
4 years of Nolasco > 2 years of Greinke. I think I would be willing to make that deal.
Not sure if the Marlins would want another SS prospect though. It would probably cost more or take different prospects to land Nolasco.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
This offseason is probably the most important one since the 2004-2005 offseason
The main cause of all of the trouble in the last few years had been poor evaluation of the team’s talents and poor understanding of the state of the team, and this same issue is in play now. This ties into what type of goals the organization will try to accomplish next year, which will in turn determine what personnel moves will be made this offseason. We discuss these topics here all the time, and all of them will be determined by where the organization thinks it’s at.
1) Starting pitching: you have two pitchers who should have job locks next season: Millwood, who is still average but a risk for senility regression, and Padilla, who is a little bit worse than Millwood, but less of a risk for regressing, and is crazy. Then you’ve got a mixbag of flawed gems, polished granite, and the Gabbard-McCarthy clay formation. Feldman looks to be in good shape to get a spot, but of all SPs on the team (Can you name them?) who had more than 50 innings this season, he was probably only better than Matt Harrison statistically, and most would agree that Harrison has a higher ceiling than Feldman. McCarthy and Gabbard can’t be counted on, obviously, and McCarthy wasn’t good in the small sample size that he did have. Gabbard looked okay at times, but one can only guess when his strike percentage of 57.4% completely implodes on him. Dusty Tits looked good against bad teams (or when his breaking pitches are on), but still relies way to much on his fastball, which he doesn’t command all that well, and Hurley was actually somewhat similar to Nippert in that either he looked good, or he got hit hard. Essentially, 3 spots in the rotation are up in air; if they think they want to compete now, then they will HAVE to throw money into FA or make a trade for someone like Greinke. On the other hand, if they are willing to wait, it will give them more options to make a prospect-for-prospect swap for someone like Homer Bailey, or a higher risk, but not necessarily so expensive pitcher like Jonathan Sanchez. They will also have to make some decisions on the pool of pitchers, what to do with Gabbard/Nippert/Mendoza. There will not be enough room in the OKC starting rotation or the 40-man to stash them all around, decision will have to be made regarding the future of these pitchers, particularly if they want to compete right away. If you get creative, you might even try to trade Millwood and/or Padilla and reshuffle the resources to sign someone else.
2) Bullpen: a few people worried/feared that the bullpen will suffer a letdown after last season, and they were right. As of now, it’s full of question marks; we know that CJ, Frankie, and Benoit will be in the group, but we don’t know which of the 2007 or 2008 version will show up for any of them. They might bring back Wright, and he might be serviceable in certain roles. Rupe was horrible this year, but he threw more innings than all but 3 pitchers on the entire staff (starters included). You can shift some of the possible starters into the pen and hope that they work out, sign some cheap replacements, or try to go find a FA guy or two like Jeremy Affeldt and pay him $4 million a year. I think having a good bullpen is a good thing in all situations, but at what cost? If they are ready to go, then getting bullpen guys is mandatory.
3) The catching situation: I would be very disappointed if all we got was an average catcher who will be paid like an average catcher out of the catching surplus, but the truth is that other than Laird, we found out very little about everyone else are far as being catcher is concerned. Keeping Laird is safe, but is relatively expensive both in terms of monetary cost and the cost of forgoing the chance of finding a better catcher. Trading Laird is risky, and depends on his trade value, which seems quite uncertain. If he has as much value as one of the prospects, then as long as one of the prospects turns out average, it would be an improvement. On the other hand, if his perceived value by other teams is low, your risk is even greater.
4) Defense: this one is a bit tricky; if they are not concerned about defense, they may very well stick Blalock at first, put Davis on third, and MY at SS. If this happens, it would be an unmitigated disaster in the field. I don’t think Blalock has much trade value as a first baseman, and I am not sure if any team realistically thinks that he can play third base. So his option is picked up, they need to be prepared to play him next season – they are not going to just sit him if he can’t play third base. On the other hand, Adam’s Hardy route will go a long way in fixing the infield defense, but at the cost of some chance in being able to get a better pitcher. If immediate success is not necessary, it is actually okay organizationally to go with status quo (and suffer) for another year, given that the organization is keenly aware of the problem.
5) Management and Coaching: the podcast went into a lot of detail regarding to state of coaching on the team, one of the biggest question is whether they are really committed to Washington or not. If the team struggles next year, do they fire him? They should have their mind made up about this very quickly; if you want to compete, you don’t count on this to happen right after a managerial change, and if you want to compete consistently, you better be prepared to have a guy there for a long time. If the goal next year is partly is to continue to find out if Wash is up to the job, I think they are taking way too much time.
I think the organization need to do a better job setting specific targets; too often do they seem to take a go-and-see philosophy, and while it provides flexibility, doesn’t help you in long term and doesn’t provide you with as much information. Rather, it’s necessary to make “to-do” lists and not leave the season until the items are crossed out. It is said that we have a long-term strategy, and it is true that we now have a good talent pool to draw resource from. Now it’s the time to show that they have a good understanding of the strength and weaknesses of this team; now it’s the time to put the strategy and talent to concrete steps, and it starts this offseason.
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