The 40 man trumps all
So...what is the 40 man situation right now?
Here is the 40 man roster:
| 40-Man Roster | |||||||
| Pitchers | B/T | Ht | Wt | DOB | |||
| 53 Joaquin Benoit | R/R | 6-3 | 220 | 07/26/77 | |||
| * 61 Thomas Diamond | R/R | 6-3 | 230 | 04/06/83 | |||
| 39 Scott Feldman | L/R | 6-5 | 210 | 02/07/83 | |||
| 50 Frank Francisco | R/R | 6-3 | 230 | 09/11/79 | |||
| ** 13 Kason Gabbard | L/L | 6-3 | 200 | 04/08/82 | |||
| 54 Matt Harrison | L/L | 6-4 | 225 | 09/16/85 | |||
| * 35 Tommy Hunter | R/R | 6-3 | 255 | 07/03/86 | |||
| * 37 Eric Hurley | R/R | 6-4 | 195 | 09/17/85 | |||
| ** 31 Jason Jennings | L/R | 6-2 | 235 | 07/17/78 | |||
| * 58 Wes Littleton | R/R | 6-3 | 200 | 09/02/82 | |||
| 43 Kameron Loe | R/R | 6-7 | 240 | 09/10/81 | |||
| 60 Warner Madrigal | R/R | 6-0 | 200 | 03/21/84 | |||
| * 49 Doug Mathis | R/R | 6-3 | 220 | 06/07/83 | |||
| 20 Brandon McCarthy | R/R | 6-7 | 205 | 07/07/83 | |||
| 46 Luis Mendoza | R/R | 6-3 | 210 | 10/31/83 | |||
| 33 Kevin Millwood | R/R | 6-4 | 230 | 12/24/74 | |||
| ** 47 A.J. Murray | S/L | 6-3 | 220 | 03/17/82 | |||
| 57 Dustin Nippert | R/R | 6-8 | 225 | 05/06/81 | |||
| * 44 Vicente Padilla | R/R | 6-2 | 220 | 09/27/77 | |||
| ** 48 John Rheinecker | L/L | 6-2 | 220 | 05/29/79 | |||
| 59 Josh Rupe | R/R | 6-2 | 210 | 08/18/82 | |||
| 56 Bill White | L/L | 6-3 | 225 | 11/20/78 | |||
| * 36 C.J. Wilson | L/L | 6-1 | 210 | 11/18/80 | |||
| 45 Jamey Wright | R/R | 6-5 | 230 | 12/24/74 | |||
| Catchers | B/T | Ht | Wt | DOB | |||
| 15 Gerald Laird | R/R | 6-1 | 225 | 11/13/79 | |||
| * 51 Max Ramirez | R/R | 5-11 | 175 | 10/11/84 | |||
| 25 Jarrod Saltalamacchia | S/R | 6-4 | 235 | 05/02/85 | |||
| 2 Taylor Teagarden | R/R | 6-1 | 200 | 12/21/83 | |||
| Infielders | B/T | Ht | Wt | DOB | |||
| 4 Joaquin Arias | R/R | 6-1 | 165 | 09/21/84 | |||
| 9 Hank Blalock | L/R | 6-1 | 200 | 11/21/80 | |||
| 27 Frank Catalanotto | L/R | 6-0 | 205 | 04/27/74 | |||
| 19 Chris Davis | L/R | 6-4 | 235 | 03/17/86 | |||
| 6 German Duran | R/R | 5-10 | 185 | 08/03/84 | |||
| * 5 Ian Kinsler | R/R | 6-0 | 200 | 06/22/82 | |||
| * 30 Travis Metcalf | R/R | 6-3 | 215 | 08/17/82 | |||
| 12 Ramon Vazquez | L/R | 5-11 | 195 | 08/21/76 | |||
| 10 Michael Young | R/R | 6-1 | 200 | 10/19/76 | |||
| Outfielders | B/T | Ht | Wt | DOB | |||
| 41 Brandon Boggs | S/R | 5-11 | 205 | 01/09/83 | |||
| * 6 Julio Borbon | L/L | 6-1 | 180 | 02/20/86 | |||
| 22 Marlon Byrd | R/R | 6-0 | 245 | 08/30/77 | |||
| 17 Nelson Cruz | R/R | 6-3 | 230 | 07/01/80 | |||
| 32 Josh Hamilton | L/L | 6-4 | 235 | 05/21/81 | |||
| * 7 David Murphy | L/L | 6-4 | 205 | 10/18/81 | |||
| Designated Hitters | B/T | Ht | Wt | DOB | |||
| 21 Milton Bradley | S/R | 6-0 | 225 | 04/15/78 | |||
| * Not on Active Roster ** Not on 40-Man Roster |
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That is 44 players. Two players are pretty much locks to be added to the 40 man roster prior to the Rule 5 draft -- Jose Vallejo and John Mayberry, Jr. Michael Schlact and Omar Poveda are possible additions, but I think they are unlikely.
Now, of the guys on the 40 man roster right now, 4 players -- Jason Jennings, Milton Bradley, Ramon Vazquez, and Jamey Wright -- will be free agents after the season. Those 4 becoming free agents gets the roster down to exactly 40, and the Rangers have until November 20 to add Vallejo and Mayberry to protect them from the Rule 5 draft, so the roster may well just sit at 40 for the time being.
You also have to figure Bill White will end up being dropped, though, and at this point, I'd guess it is more likely than not that Hank Blalock has his option declined, making him a free agent. So those two moves would get the roster back to an even 40 once Vallejo and Mayberry are removed.
Still, you have to imagine the Rangers are likely to add at least a couple of guys as free agents after the season, and while some players are good bets to be dealt this winter -- I can't imagine that the Rangers are going to go into the winter with all four of the catchers currently on the 40 man, for example -- you also have some guys who seem likely to be 40 man casualties this offseason.
One can only hope none of these decisions turn out as badly as the Armando Galarraga decision has turned out thusfar.
Something to keep in mind is that Scott Feldman, Dustin Nippert, Kam Loe, and Wes Littleton are all (I'm pretty sure) out of options. Loe and Littleton have never been outrighted before, so there's the possibility the Rangers pull a Tejeda with them and just try to sneak them through waivers at the end of spring training if they don't make the 25 man roster, but I think there's a decent possibility that the Rangers may opt to move one of those guys this winter, either as a throw-in in a deal involving one of the catchers or some other move designed to bring a starting pitcher in, or in a minor deal to bring a non-40-man-roster prospect to Texas.
Nippert, though, if he doesn't make the 25 man roster out of spring training, can opt for free agency if he isn't claimed, and Feldman would be a slam-dunk to be claimed, so with both of those guys, you have to figure you aren't going to keep them around all winter occupying space on the 40 man if you aren't committed to having them on the team on Opening Day. Feldman seems a near-lock to be in the rotation, of course, but the situation with Nippert is dicier.
A couple of other guys who are currently occupying 40 man slots, but who are candidates to get flipped, are Nelson Cruz and Joaquin Arias. As I mentioned yesterday, I get the sense that Cruz is a guy the Rangers are showcasing and just want to get what they can from him via trade, rather than go into 2009 with him as their regular right fielder. That could be wrong, of course, but Cruz is, like Nippert, out of options and can be a free agent rather than accept an outright assignment. And you figure the outfield situation is going to be clearer than the pitching situation, so if the Rangers aren't going to make Cruz a starter next year, they'll probably just try to get what they can for him.
Arias's situation is complicated by his bum shoulder. If he were throwing like the Arias of old, I'd say that he has a good chance of being at least the utility man next year for the Rangers, and quite possibly the starting shortstop. But if he can't throw -- and right now, Ron Washington says his arm is sub-par for a second baseman -- he becomes a guy with only one position, second base. The Rangers have German Duran and Vallejo as better second base prospects, not to mention a certain MVP candidate at the major league level, so if the feeling is that his arm isn't going to come back, he's another guy that Jon Daniels will probably look to just move and move on from.
Among the veterans hanging around, Frank Catalanotto and Marlon Byrd probably are both candidates to get dealt, although if Bradley doesn't stay, Cat could end up sticking around as insurance in the DH slot for Max Ramirez or whomever ends up in the DH spot for 2009. If Cruz does stay, Byrd seems destined to be dealt, as you don't need Byrd, Cruz, David Murphy, and Brandon Boggs all hanging around (particularly with Julio Borbon on the fast track).
You've also got a couple of lefty pitchers I could see the Rangers trying to run through waivers in John Rheinecker and A.J. Murray. The Rangers like both, but they both missed virtually all this season with injuries, and Murray has a very spotty injury history anyway. And Rheinecker is, I believe, out of options, so he's another guy, like Nippert, Loe and Littleton, who has to stick next spring or be let go, which would definitely make him more likely to end up on the waiver wire.
So there you go. The situation is very fluid, of course, given that the Rangers are likely to be active on the trade market this offseason, and the 40 man situation is going to be impacted on who might be moved and who might come back, and the possibility of Blalock being retained or Schlact and/or Povedo getting added to the roster could alter the dynamic as well.
But this is, I think, at least a decent snapshot of where things stand.
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Poveda
I could see it go either way with him. He might be a good reason to not call up Hunter. Can’t see Schlact, though Masset surprised some people after fairly similar numbers one year, as I recall.
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Sep 8, 2008 1:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He might be a good reason to not call up Hunter
Explain please. Hunter is on the 40 already.
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by RangerMad on Sep 8, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He probably meant...
…that that was a good reason not to call Hunter up earlier or at all this year since he didn’t need to be added to the 40-man after this year.
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by Chad Crudup on Sep 8, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Offense doesn't doubt me, but my first and primemost thing is defense and punt return and kickoff return
by Brett Perryman on Sep 8, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poveda
I think that Poveda’s Cal League finish significantly increased the chances that he will be drafted and stashed by a non-contender if he is not added to the 40. Personally, I would drop any of Rheineker, Murray, Metcalf, Loe, Littleton, or Cat before risking Poveda in teh Rule 5 draft.
I will be surprised if Blalock’s option isn’t exercised. His age and past productivity make him a potentially valuable trade chip. Given JD’s history, I expect him to either try to find a team desperate this off-season for a high-risk/high-reward 3B or roll Hank out in 2009 and hope for a good 1st half so that he can be cashed in at the trade deadline.
by spurdynasty on Sep 8, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hank
at 1B or 3B in 09?
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by bigsteve on Sep 8, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either Way...
I am on the “buy him out” side of the fence. I think the option being picked up or not is the larger issue than position. At least for 2009 there appears to be conceiveable room for him to play either position.
by FuturePants on Sep 8, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is one critical off-season.
Hey, you suck McBain.
by oc on Sep 8, 2008 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there any way we can drop Mendoza from the roster?
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by oc on Sep 8, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he gets claimed
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by Chad Crudup on Sep 8, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a chance...
JD should be willing to take. Luis hasn’t looked good this year at all.
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by slc ranger on Sep 8, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think Littleton would clear
I don’t see any team willing to take him and add him to their 25-man roster.
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by willamos2 on Sep 8, 2008 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Feldman seems a near-lock to be in the rotation
I dont think so, but that’s your opinion.
I think he is a candidate but not a near lock.
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by NYTXFAN on Sep 8, 2008 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Feldman
His option status makes him a virtual lock. he would almost assuredly get picked up if we tried to slide him through waivers and he is no longer a long reliever.
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by bigsteve on Sep 8, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think as of today...
…he is a near lock. Let’s see what the FA/trade market brings, if anything.
by FuturePants on Sep 8, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see Schlact...
…as a guy who will eventually get to the bigs and end up with 4-5 years of service time before his career is over. We would talk a lot more about him if there weren’t so many high-ceiling arms in our system.
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by Chad Crudup on Sep 8, 2008 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Talk to me about
all of Schlact’s stellar seasons….
by Goyogringo on Sep 8, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't had any that I'm aware of...
…I just have a feeling that he will eventually become a guy that makes the bigs, bounces back in forth between MLB and AAA, changes organizations a few times, and at the end of the day will have spent some time as a mediocre ML reliever.
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by Chad Crudup on Sep 8, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wash's gut speaks to him sometimes too...
by Goyogringo on Sep 8, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that's below the belt...
…There’s a lot of things I can shrug off but being likened to Wash… man I just don’t know if I can deal with that.
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by Chad Crudup on Sep 9, 2008 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mayberry...
is he really much of a risk of someone claiming him?
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by benmor78 on Sep 8, 2008 2:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ummm yeah
A former first round pick who has done decent in AAA. Thats an easy pickup. Not necessarily that he will become anything but do you want to risk losing a former first round pick for free?
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by bigsteve on Sep 8, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't cut 1st rounders w/o ever taking a look.
Mayberry and Diamond can’t get cut off b/c neither has sniffed a cup of coffee. With the bonus money you give a 1st rounder, you can’t drop them w/o ever getting a look at the MLB level.
by mattrpav on Sep 8, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think someone like KC would...
…put in a claim and try him out as at least a platoon COF.
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by Chad Crudup on Sep 8, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think alot of teams would take a flyer on him
He can play multiple positions (RF, LF, 1B) and after 1 season in the majors as your 25th man you can stash him in the minors for 3 more years if you like
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by bigsteve on Sep 8, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mayberry
would likely be claimed and never hurt you. Poveda, on the other hand, might have a better chance of making it through waivers, but if he did get claimed could hurt you real bad.
As I stated before, I don’t think you can make these decisions based on who is most likely to be claimed, instead I would look at who has the best chance to eventually make significant contributions. If Poveda isn’t protected and is claimed and finds ML success, that is the type move that, coupled with his other pitching blunders, could cost JD his job. He has to know that he can’t continue to provide good young pitchers to other teams while we languish at the back of the pack in team ERA.
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by tricer on Sep 8, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JMJ
Would we even care if he was claimed?
He was a wasted 1st round pick that never developed. Let’s not compound the problem by putting him on the 40-man roster at the expense of someone that might actually be good some day, like Poveda.
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by BCanfield on Sep 9, 2008 6:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JD needs to be very active in some early trades
I think that it is very likely that the Rangers make a trade that packages several if not many guys on the 40 man early on this offseason. The roster is littered with guys who are good enough to make some clubs but not necessarily Texas. It doesn’t make sense to let these guys go – but do you really need Arias, Duran, and Metcalf on the 40? Is it really likely that Byrd AND Cruz will be on the team next season? Obviously the 4 catcher thing is a little much.
Anyway, I can see deals involving Salty or Laird, Byrd or Cruz, maybe an Arias thrown in. If the Rangers were to make a move for a good young starting pitcher, it is likely that whatever team trading for him will want some of those guys as well (they must be sufficiently crappy at lost of positions to be trading a young stud). Trading 4 guys off the 40 will do wonders to clear up this situation.
Also, the fact that Chris Davis is on the 40 while Feliz, Holland, and Andrus are not is yet another reason that we may see him traded this offseason.
by JBImaknee on Sep 8, 2008 2:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my plan
sign Bradley, trade Cruz or Byrd – whoever brings the most value, let Vazquez walk, pick up Hank’s option and trade him for whatever you can get, trade Laird and/or Salty, let Bill White, Jennings and Rheinecker walk.
Question: at what point do we have to consider Gabbard and Murray off the 60-day D.L. and thus a part of the working 40-man roster?
If those two can stay on the D.L., we would have 37 on the roster with 3 spots for whatever young ML-ready starting pitcher we receive in trades or a spot for a bullpen arm and another spot for Vallejo and Mayberry
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by Walter Sobchak on Sep 8, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
DL
You can’t be on the 60 day DL during the winter.
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by bigsteve on Sep 8, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then I think it's obvious we have to push a trade of both Laird and Salty
and trade/cut Cruz AND one of Byrd/Cat (preferably trade Cat, but we’d have to eat some salary)
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by Walter Sobchak on Sep 9, 2008 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Metcalf
I would say he is a prime candidate to dump. I would rather live with Davis at 3B and Cat at 1B then see the team waste a 40 man spot on Metcalf at the expense of, say, Poveda.
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by pblack on Sep 8, 2008 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
…I don’t see Metcalf making it to ST on the 40-man.
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by Chad Crudup on Sep 8, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If talking about folks to dump
eating Cat’s contract starts looking attractive.
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by DJCahill on Sep 8, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he is the difference between keeping and losing a viable arm...
…then it would probably be money well-spent.
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by Chad Crudup on Sep 8, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dumping Metcalf...
Especially if they pick up Hank’s option and keep Davis at 3rd. He will be dropped.
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by slc ranger on Sep 8, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if he isn't...
I like Travis. Don’t know why…but I guess if we’re comfortable with Duran backing up 3rd, I’m fine with it
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by Walter Sobchak on Sep 9, 2008 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz, Arias, et al as trade throw ins
I don’t think you are going to have a deal in place and either Cruz or Arias, or the mid twenties AAA pitchers out of options, are going to add any value to the trade package. I don’t think other teams are going to give any value for the filler on the bottom of our roster.
If you want value added in a trade, your going to have to decide to add in Murphy and roll with Cruz in the OF rotation. Or add Lemon or Vallejo and hope that Arias arm recovers. You have to make a decision on those guys on the fringe and either roll with them or cut bait. I hope that our evaluation team has a better handle on these guys abilities than they did on Galaragga’s.
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by tricer on Sep 8, 2008 3:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Frank Catalanotto...
Question to the Board:
If Frank Catalanotto didn’t have a contract with the Rangers next year, and was instead a free agent, would he be able to get a Major League contract?
Catalanotto is a big liability as a left fielder, has no power (2 home runs in 272 plate appearances), and doesn’t hit against left-handed pitchers. Furthermore, if he’s playing at 1st base, then either Max Ramirez or Jarrod Saltalamacchia is missing out on plate appearances (although, it is true that the Rangers will likely be trying to trade either Saltalamacchia or Ramirez, if not both, during the off-season).
And if the Rangers don’t anticipate having Chris Davis remain at third base for the future, I’d much rather see if the last month of Travis Metcalf (with both the Rangers and with the Oklahoma Redhawks) is a facade or the real thing.
Catalanotto is currently hitting .272/.338/.391 for the season. And since he’s turning 35 next April, making it unlikely that he’s going to return to the numbers of his prime, wouldn’t it just make sense to unceremoniously release him?
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by YourNameHere on Sep 8, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If it were up to me...
…after all trade possibilities were exhausted he would be DFA’d at the end of ST if not before. I have always liked Cat but I don’t want to see him taking up a spot on the 25-man next season.
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by Chad Crudup on Sep 8, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he had any defensive ability
you could make him a bench player.
However, he sucks pretty much every where you put him. No arm, limited range, bad instincts.
Personally, I think you might be better off dumping him. You don’t really need a platoon LH PH/DH that badly. I’d just as soon have a 700 OPS versatile defensive utility player for the bench.
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by DJCahill on Sep 8, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best. Title. Ever.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Sep 8, 2008 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Metcalf
If it comes down to any tough decisions this offseason, I’d have no problem not protecting Metcalf. He may or may not slip through waivers, but he is very replaceable. For example, I’d rather have Rheinecker, Littleton, and Loe all competing for jobs next spring instead of potentially letting one of them go for nothing this offseason.
by Randy Richardson on Sep 8, 2008 10:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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