Rose Bowl-USC Love Fest
by Plano Fan on Jan 1, 2009 7:23 PM CST
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PrintAfter 3 hours of listening to Brent and Herbstreit annoint USC as all everything, I realized this sweet talk was generating Type II Diabetes.
Yes, the Stadium is first rate and the cheerleaders are always pretty but the game was a woeful mismatch when it was announced and it has played out as boring as was anticipated.
Granted announcers have to keep talking but come on, they lost to Oregon State. This 5-0 bowl winning conference never leaves home. When they do, they get spanked.
This is a lovely home game for USC but I would rather hear about when the $300,000 man-Reggie the SC pro football player-is going to put them on probation and cost them their title.
A little salt with that sugar might make this game a little more palatable.
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They lost to Oregon State
But Oregon State is still ranked. I don’t know that a 6 point loss on the road to a team that is in the top 25 (and has won its bowl game) is such a terrible thing that you can’t talk about them being one of the best teams in the country.
They compared
Mark Sanchez to Chad Palmer….
I'm Ed Werner, but with real secret sources...
by miles on Jan 1, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
USC
i just get tired of the year in year out usc love fest. no matter what everyone says they are the best team.
bottom line they lost to a team that at the time wasn’t ranked and they still whine that they deserve to be in the national title game.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I think you've got 5 teams...
…that have viable arguments that they deserve to be in the title game.
Florida lost at home to Mississippi, who wasn’t ranked at the time. Does that mean Florida doesn’t deserve to be in either?
As long as we have the ridiculous BCS system, teams that have viable claims to being in the championship game are going to get hosed, and we’re going to hear from some people about how such-and-such team deserves to be playing for the championship.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 1, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
Domination
I just got home from the game. Penn State was never in this game. USC never actually threw the ball down field after the mid point of the 3rd quarter. I think USC vs. either Florida or Oklahoma would be interesting.
Why are we talking about Reggie Bush three years after the fact? Cool with me if you want to reminisce about one of college footballs all-time great teams! Even if Reggie did take money (which is wrong), you cannot take away from what they (SC) did on the field!
Happy New Years!
by mrichardson70 on Jan 2, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
actually they can
you cannot take away from what they (SC) did on the field!
see Michigan fab 5 years…
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
I wasnt talking
about records. i understand that you can take away championships and so forth. The fab five were still incredible and not for a timeout they would have won the championship and possibly gone down as the best college basketball teams of all time (they might still be, {although i would take the jordan, worthy and perkins UNC team}).What I am saying is that USC team was a monster of a team. A lot of college players take money, most do not get caught. If bush signs with that agent who brought on the suit then there is 90% chance we never hear about him taking money.
What is the status of that lawsuit?
by mrichardson70 on Jan 2, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
yeah buut the fab 4 have now officially never won a game
their whole record just doesnt exist.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
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and not for a timeout they would have won the championship and possibly gone down as the best college basketball teams of all time
There were 11 seconds left and Michigan was down 2 when he called time out. Saying they would have won the championship were it not for the TO is a bit of an exaggeration.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 2, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
It is only my
opinion. I have been known to be incorrect from time to time. That Michigan team that is now officially 0-32 or whatever it is, is still a great team.
I guess we could start another fanpost about who the best college team of all time is!
Maybe a little exaggeration from me in regards to the TO (good point Adam) but if Al Gore can do it, so can I!
by mrichardson70 on Jan 2, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
I love how...
some of you Big XII homers get all pissy about USC getting a little love. Get over it. Their defense is very very good.
I had to listen to those same guys kissing the asses of Texas, TT, Oklahoma, OK St., etc. every week when the Big XII game of the week was on. That’s what they do. They build up the teams that are on at that time.
There are good teams outside of the Big XII. Deal with it.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
yeah, and most of them are in the SEC not pac10.
i never said usc isnt good, its just always over the top usc love. it was once suggested that the usc team could be an nfl team.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
heh my fav was when the 05 USC team was THE best college team of all time
…then texas won – so does that make the 05 texas team the best college football team of all time?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 1, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
USC played a weak schedule
and lost to an unranked team.
That’s just espn being espn.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Oregon St. is not unranked.
Look. Anyone who doesn’t think USC has the most talent in the country is just wrong. It’s a team that seems to blow a game against a conference opponent recently, and that’s frustrating.
But DON’T criticize the schedule. USC has brought other major programs (sans UT) into the era where you schedule only BCS conference teams out of conference.
And say what you want about the PAC X (obv a down year) but the conference MANDATES that you play everyone in conference. No hiding here. Every major conference should mandate 9 conference games.
UT is the ONLY team to debunk the USC myth. And even the most die hard Longhorn fans admit that was more VY than UT that won that game. I was there, and it was hard to leave that stadium thinking UT was the better team.
I am biased. I went to SC, but I also went to UT for grad school so know both conferences well…and inevitably at the end of every year, USC is the team that no one wants to play….and they will be so long as Pete is there. He’s build an incredible brand.
Early season rankings are meaningless.
The major problem with college football fans is that they never understand the lack of information available. Everyone plays such wildly different schedules, home field is so important, etc etc…
The only thing that matters is the end of season poll.
Yeah...
after week 1 of the season.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
rankings should start after week 5 or 6
when teams actually get into their conference schedules
but they won’t ever do it, because you couldn’t hype the so-called #1 or #2 ranked team every week then to see them upset by another team. It’s drama. albeit stupid
Wait 'til the year after next
so
that means that oregon state isnt a ranked team? Oregon State had a great year!
by mrichardson70 on Jan 2, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
Was the schedule that weak?
They played Ohio State, who were #5 at the time and #10 now, in non-conference play, and blew them out. Sagarin has their SOS at 38th, which means it is a fairly strong schedule. USC’s non-conference schedule was tougher than UT’s and Florida’s, probably similar to OU’s and Alabama’s, although I think you can reasonably argue their non-conference schedule was the toughest of those 5 teams.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 1, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
I will agree a strong argument could be made for usc in the title game instead of florida.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
fwiw
Sagarin’s ratings (his “real” ratings, not the watered-down BCS-approved ones that don’t take margin of victory into account) have Florida and USC 1-2, very close together, then OU at 3, then UT and Penn State a little ways behind OU, close together, at 4-5.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 1, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
margin of victory was left out for a reason.
it helps teams who play weak schedules and run up the score on inferior teams.
i’ll take SOS over MOV any day…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Huh?
That doesn’t make any sense. You should look at both. A 3 point victory against a team should carry as much weight as a 30 point victory against the same team.
No one is saying that you ignore strength of schedule. You weigh the margin of victory against opponents, and the more you beat a strong opponent by, the more credit you get.
Sagarin points out that the formula using margin of victory is more accurate in predicting future outcomes than the one that doesn’t. And it isn’t like the folks in Las Vegas who set the lines ignore margin of victory…
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 1, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
still
that wasn’t part of the process this year.
Don’t you think other coaches would have run up the score on teams if they KNEW that was part of the formula this year?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Your logic is bad.
Coaches running up the score is nothing that should be run from. Who the hell cares about sportsmanship. This is America. Let it be a meritocracy.
The one thing that bugs everyone about college football is that it’s the only sport out there that’s not a meritocracy.
its called class.
put in the young guys, give the next vince young or reggie bush a shot to show what he can do against lesser talent when your cruising.
that way they arent awestruck in the big one…
logic.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
But they did
Because the polls take margin of victory into account. That’s part of the reason why Stoops was running up scores late in the season…so the voters would notice.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 1, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
Yes to a degree
But Texas scored more 4th qtr points this year than OU did. Stoops did run up the score in the first 3 qtrs. but most of the time the 2nd and 3rd teams were in in the 4th qtr.
Miami bound...
Ohio State
Does anyone really think OSU is a top 10 team? They are a mediocre team in a terrible conference. Texas should destroy them (and I’m an OU alum, not a UT fan).
For all the talk about the Pac-10 teams’ records this bowl season, Oregon St. beat a terrible Pitt team 3-0, Oregon (the #2 P-10 team) beat OSU (the #4 or #5 Big12 team) in a good game, USC beat a mediocre Penn State team from a terrible conference, and Arizona beat BYU. I’m not impressed.
--Brian
Okay
The “mediocre Penn State” team was ranked something like 6 or 7, and the “terrible Pitt team” was in the top 20.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 1, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Competition
Neither Penn State nor Pitt played any really good teams. Pitt lost their conference to Cincy, a team that OU blew out (when they still had their first team QB), not to mention losses to Bowling Green and Rutgers. The only decent team Penn State beat was the overrated OSU, and they lost to a decent Iowa team.
--Brian
Penn St. played Oregon freaking St.!
Is it too much to ask everyone to only schedule BCS conference teams out of conference?
I have no problem if UT wants to play an out of conference team from Texas, but let’s make it TCU, not Rice and UTEP.
And don’t get me started on Texas Tech. Obviously scheduling to run up their record.
The Big XII (and Big X, and SEC) should play 9 conference games. Then we’ll start talking about schedule difficulty.
IMPORTANT NOTE – USC wouldn’t have even played Oregon St. this year if it wasn’t for the Pac X mandating that the conference plays 9 games. No Oregon St. = the hype machine calling this the best team of all time, etc. etc…
BYU is so overrated
they get the “white boy” bump. we were in provo when TCU totally dismantled them and we all knew it was gonna happen.
it was great.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
I can't wait...
for tomorrow. That’s the big game for me. I really can’t stand watching FOX though so that may suck. Will be interesting to hear what they have to say about my Utes.
I just hope it’s a good game. I’m realistic about it and think Bama will probably win 27-13 or so, but the diehard fan in me still believes the Utes can pull it out with a few big plays or turnovers. This is the biggest stage our school has ever been on. I just hope they turn out a good performance. GO UTES!
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
did you say utes?
yeah da two utes.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jan 1, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Rec
"I'm not being condescending, I'm too busy thinking about far more important things you wouldn't understand." - Jimmy Carr
by Suicide Prince on Jan 2, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
im still of the opinion that Utah would love to an Oklahoma State
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
OT Cotton Bowl
Tech coming out looking really good early
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