Saturday morning things
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 10, 2009 7:31 AM CST
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Another day with little in the way of Rangers news.
T.R. Sullivan's blog notes include a mention that Derrick Turnbow can ask for his release on March 31 and on May 1, if he isn't on the major league roster at those points.
And Kenny Williams denies that the ChiSox are working on a deal sending Jermaine Dye and Aaron Poreda to the Rangers for Michael Young. Personally, I think that would be a steal for the Rangers, but I can't imagine Chicago would do that.
And for those wondering why the Rangers would, hypothetically, want Dye, he'd probably DH and hit 4th, allowing the Rangers to deal Blalock. They'd still have to go find a shortstop for 2009, of course, but there are quite a few out there, and Orlando Cabrera on a one year deal would probably be the most viable.
But that trade isn't going to happen, so it is moot...
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oh please oh please oh please
let this happen. I don’t care whoplays short in early 2k9 as long as we get that money off the books and clear the way for Elvis come August
by spliffy on Jan 10, 2009 8:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Again I'll say
I’ll believe Young will be traded at the press conference and not before.
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by t ball on Jan 10, 2009 8:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I forgot, regarding Turnbow
I was pleased to see that his incentives are appearance based instead of a “games finished” clause.
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by t ball on Jan 10, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Extremely Early Projected Standings
Has the Rangers scoring 838 runs and giving up 903 runs. Sounds reasonable (winning 75 games) and actually has them within 5 games of LAA..
The KC Royals are going to win 79 games!?
http://www.replacementlevel.com/index.php/RLYW/comments/extremely_early_projected_standings
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 10, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kyle Farnsworth and Coco Crisp!
World beaters.
by cmkelly29 on Jan 10, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The odd thing about those projections
is that they have 10 teams winning between 78-81 games.
Last year there were only two teams (Texas & Cle) that won between 78-81 games.
There are a bunch of mediocre teams running around right now.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 10, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most projections like that do...
…because the number of iterations smooths out the outliers.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 10, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do believe this same website
projected the 2007 Rangers giving up something like 855 runs (they actually gave up 844 runs) and a bunch of foot stomping and temper tantrums being thrown by local fans because they believed that staff would be much improved over the 2006 staff (which gave up 784 runs).
At the time, I couldn’t figure out why they thought the 2007 Rangers (who had just traded for McCarthy) were going to take such a giant step backwards but they earned my respect when it happened.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 10, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For that reason
these projections are far more interesting when you take away teams’ probabilities of finishing 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.
Prob(Rangers = 1st) = 10%
Prob(Rangers = 2nd)=20%
and so on.
Projecting that the Rangers have 76 wins with a variance of 14 wins whereas the Angels are at 80 wins with a variance of 10 wins is pointless. You can make any projection like that and claim to be right later on, since they only play the season once. The only thing that analysis can tell you with any significance is that the Yankees are likely to win more games than the Orioles. Big deal.
by JBImaknee on Jan 10, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As Jamey pointed out
he completely missed MY’s contract status so its a little hard to take this report as serious
by BEW on Jan 10, 2009 9:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jeeeeez, Red Sox stockpile another relief pitcher.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9058832/Red-Sox-sign-free-agent-reliever-Saito-
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 10, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They are doing a great job
Of signing players that aren’t prima donnas to incentive-laden deals. I think they’ll stay better than the Yankees
by BuckyB on Jan 10, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they must hate Buch
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 10, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm...
How does that follow?
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
by OCD SS on Jan 10, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't...
However I am starting to wonder what the BoSox are going to do with Buchholz, Bowden, and Masterson. If they continue to sign verteran starters and now relievers they won’t even have enough room in the ’pen for those guys.
I’m pretty sure they are going to make a move for a bat and include one of or even a couple of them in some kind of deal. I’m just not sure to what team and for whom yet.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jan 10, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1 Year Deals and Options
Buchholz, Bowden, and Masterson are under team control for the next few years, and all have options remaining. The young guys provide insurance should the injuries to the veterans prove to be worse than the Boston medical staff believes. In 2010, Boston can let Penny, Smoltz, and Saito walk, free up some cash for next offseason, and maybe even collect a compensation pick or two.
Besides, Smoltz has incentives on when he makes his debut with the team. The contract cites 1 June as the date for a roster bonus. One of the aforementioned young pitchers can take his place in the rotation until then.
Somebody at BTF mentioned that the Saito deal contains an option because he will be injured for most of the season, but the Red Sox can get him back in 2010 (assuming he is healthy). This is similar to what the Yankees did with Leiber.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jan 10, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Saito
Because he came from Japan he’s actually under Red Sox control for 3 more years (he’s arb elligible) unless the deal he signed spesifically states that the team cannot offer him arb and must grant him his release if they don’t pick up his option. I don’t know if that’s the case though.
The option just gives the Sox cost certainty at the very least (which is nice if he’s injured most of the year).
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
by OCD SS on Jan 10, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Because he came from Japan he’s actually under Red Sox control for 3 more years (he’s arb elligible) unless the deal he signed spesifically states that the team cannot offer him arb and must grant him his release if they don’t pick up his option. I don’t know if that’s the case though.
So confused…
by LiamP on Jan 10, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought his deal when he signed from japan had a no arb clause in it — usually they do
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 10, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Liam, A player who comes over from Japan is an international free agent, and is essentially no different than a 16 yr old signed out of the Dominican Republic. They is subject to the same 6 yrs of major league control that a player coming out of the minors is, even if their contract is shorter than 6 years. In this regard Saito signing with a new team is kind of like trading a guy who’s just becoming arb elligible.
Usually the teams work around this in some contractual manner, but that doesn’t exempt the player from the rules regarding required major league service time to become a free agent. The only way Saito would not be under the Red Sox control for the next 3 years is if he got the Sox to agree in his contract to waive him at the end of his deal.
KOK, the Dodgers released Saito because they did not want him to get a large one year award in arbitraiton; so they were able to offer it to him; for the most part you’ll see Japanese players signed for short initial deals use arbitration as a way to get raises. It looks like his first year has a low guarantee, and it’s less than the guaranteed raise he would’ve gotten in arb (which would’ve been a big risk to the Dodgers).
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
by OCD SS on Jan 10, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"They is?"
Damn the lack of an edit function on this board.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
by OCD SS on Jan 10, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but keep in mind that they all still have options left. Masterson would probably just go to the ‘pen. Bowden is still only 22 next season and will probably start in AAA anyway. If there’s not room then Buchholz can also start in AAA (and I could see them keeping him there for a bit to gain more service time from him).
But keep in mind that Penny and Smoltz are only signed on one year contracts, Wakefield is over 40 (and there are rumors that he could retire soon), and Beckett will be looking for a big raise after 2010/11. They could all make Boston’s staff within a few years if they’re not traded.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
by OCD SS on Jan 10, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They don't have too many arms
Smoltz won’t be ready to pitch in the rotation until 6/1 if everything goes well. Penny is a cheap 5th starter they can use in case Buchholz needs to regain his confidence and stuff in AAA. you can always put him on waivers (in order to trade him), put him on the dl, or move him to the pen if he doesnt work out. Bowden isn’t really ready and needs to be in AAA for at least 15 starts. Masterson is in the pen. I think Saito might be a shot in the dark. He has a labrum tear I believe, elected not to have surgery, and resorted to some kind of unorthodox injection to stimulate cartilege growth if I remember correctly. There is no guarantee he can be relied upon IMO.
by Goyogringo on Jan 10, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Saito actually has a problem with his elbow that would lead to TJ surgery. Instead of doing that and losing 16 months at his age he had some sort of weird procedure where he had blood platelets (or something like that) injected into his elbow. But this is probably a shot in the dark and who knows how long this fix will actually work for.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
by OCD SS on Jan 10, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
evidently there is a LOT of people watching to see how he does
will carroll was quite intregued
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 10, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dang
i wanted us to sign sito
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 10, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Dallas Morning News
They announced in Feb. they will be raising the price of the m-sat edition to $1. This comes not long after it was hiked to $.75.
As much as I like getting the paper daily (I must be one of the few internet literate people that still takes the paper) I just can’t justify $1 a day and $2 on Sunday and I’m sure many subscribers will probably feel the same.
When subscriptions are already down is raising prices the best strategy??
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jan 10, 2009 11:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
maybe they figure
most of the people who would opt for sources of news other than the daily print paper have already jumped ship so a slight price raise isn’t likely to cause a mass exodus. plus $1 still seems like a pretty small percentage of the average newspaper reader’s income, so you would figure demand wouldnt be too sensitive to price changes. on the other hand internet news is a pretty damn appealing substitute good (to some – others feel there is no substitute) and its essentially free.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 10, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its just the further downward spiral of print media
cutting back on reporters and content, increasing the amount of ad’s and doubling the price over the past year.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jan 10, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't the Morning News just charge for online subscriptions like the New York Times?
I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for a ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have... are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let Buchholz go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you. I will find you.
And I will kill you.
by oc on Jan 10, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I simply can't imagine a world without newspapers.
I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for a ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have... are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let Buchholz go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you. I will find you.
And I will kill you.
by oc on Jan 10, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to feel that way
but it’s getting easier to imagine.
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by t ball on Jan 10, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the nytimes charges for online subscriptions?
what do you get with the subscription?
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 10, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently, you are free to thumb through their paper online.
I could have sworn you had to sign up for a subscription.
Like you’d be able to read the first few sentences of the article, and they you’d have to pay to read the rest.
I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for a ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have... are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let Buchholz go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you. I will find you.
And I will kill you.
by oc on Jan 10, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They
Tried a bit a couple of years ago where you could read “the news” for free, but editorials and magazine features were subscription-based. I can only assumed it failed miserably, since those features are free again.
by brettgardner on Jan 10, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is what I was talking about.
By the way, this signature is becoming a beating.
I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for a ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have... are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let Buchholz go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you. I will find you.
And I will kill you.
by oc on Jan 10, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO
That movie looks pretty awesome though
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 10, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is good.
It was leaked a few months ago…after seeing the ads all over for it, I had to rewatch it last night.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 10, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
just wanted to make sure. we had a long discussion about this a while ago and i wanted to make sure I wasn’t completely wrong.
WSJ charges for subscriptions though – and I don’t really think that approach makes money.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 10, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But if the decline in newspaper print is attributed to the growth of the internet, why not just put a price for your paper online?
Are newspapers dying because people can get the same information free via online resources?
Or is it more complicated than that?
by oc on Jan 10, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the thing that never made sense is they charge for a print subscription and give the same content away for free online. then again it’s difficult to get through the crappy design to find actual decent content on the dallasnews site
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jan 10, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or is it more complicated than that? Yes.
For the newspaper print media, the massive loss of ad revenue in the current economy is what is putting the final few nails in their coffin.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 10, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the argument I don't get.
The economy sucks, but advertising agencies still have to advertise. Especially in this age of HD-TVs, Blu-Rays, iPhones and Super Bowls.
I mean, people are buying less… but if anything, that means advertisers just have to work harder. Or become more creative. Business might be going under, but there are still so many goods and services that are required by society.
Am I just seeing this through rose-colored glasses?
Isn’t it cheaper to advertise on the internet?
by oc on Jan 10, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the non-business ads
were th emoney makers. Not you can go to 10 ‘local’ web sites to sell your car, look for a date, etc
"But with Tom Hicks squeezing his checkbook tighter than Tony Romo's grip on Jessica Simpson"- Jim Reeves on why Cruz will be the clean-up hitter in '09
by red3biggs on Jan 10, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
now you can*
"But with Tom Hicks squeezing his checkbook tighter than Tony Romo's grip on Jessica Simpson"- Jim Reeves on why Cruz will be the clean-up hitter in '09
by red3biggs on Jan 10, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think newspapers are getting outmoded
Just think about the Rangers. By the time something is put in the DMN, it has already been sliced, diced and dissected on this and other similar sites. Its the same with about any field. I handle my own portfolio and never get anything worthwhile from the newspaper about stocks. I can get interested in a stock and go to any number of research sites and discussion boards to get all sides and opinons about a stock
I think the WSJ might be making money with their approach because they have some unique content. If a newspaper is going to survive they would have to do what is not available on the internet. As an example really hard hitting LOCAL news stories. Most days when I pick up the DMN the front page is full of national stories that are covered elsewhere and very little local news. As an example when the Greggo – Rhyner split happened, did you ever read any stories about in the DMN? The Observer did a lot of reporting on it but I dont remember the DMN doing much if anything on it.
Honestly, I think if the local paers survive it will be because they do what the Observer does and cover a few local stories intensly. I hate the politics of the Observer but nearly every week they have something that is interesting that I cant get elsewhere
by BEW on Jan 10, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The local papers
Are they even hurting that much now? They give the unique content that you can only see a bit of on the local news in the mornings and at night. They don’t make as much money, but they also have a strong base that isn’t going to end their subscriptions anytime soon.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 10, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't, know
but I read portions of their site every day without paying, so I’m not sure what a subscription means.
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by t ball on Jan 10, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope!
It’s a market share thingy.
It’s kind of like a Baseball team with a dwindling fan base raising the ticket prices on those who will actually attend, without making the product that much better. With the DMN, they already announced they were going to use info from the FWST beat writers…..
So, in essence, we are going to raise the price of our paper so that even less of you will want to purchase it, even though we have taken these necessary steps to make the paper worse than when it was cheaper.
DMN going bye bye. Soon, only the FWST will be left……oh, and Greensheet
I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.
by Chaim Witz on Jan 10, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like to get the paper
so I can ready the sports section when I go to lunch. It is getting a bit pricey at $1.00. I will need to look at alternative reading material. Maybe the USA Today.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 10, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean...
it’s been below a dollar? I though most daily’s had gone to a buck some time ago.
by Redcaps on Jan 10, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Redding...
There goes that idea. 1 yr at 2.5 mil with the Mets
by Michael Cave on Jan 10, 2009 11:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
nats could have used him this year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 10, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They are not going to spend money on another SS
if they deal Young. Andrus will be the starter.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on Jan 10, 2009 11:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
he is not ready
the Rangers are not about to hand the starting shortstop job to a 20 year old who made an error every 3 games last year in AA
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 10, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
should be an in-house option
duran possibly
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 10, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah thats what im thinkin
or arias if his arm can hold up.
i will cut of my left nut if andrus is our starting SS on opening day
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 10, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Andrus won't be ready on Opening Day
They will sign a one year stop gap who, if Andrus is ready at deadline time they can flip, or out right release if Andrus becomes ready during the year.
My worry is more about 3B than anything. With our dearth of 3B prospects in the system now we open up a huge hole long term at 3B. Who do we target to fill that. Do we continually go after free agents on short term deals? Or do we make a package for one of the top 3B prospects?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 10, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damnit hit post too soon
To expand on that. If Young is essentially only making 12 mil per year the next 5 years then how much would we really save by trading him away? If we go the young prospect route then we would save alot. But it would also cost us in our own prospects. Which ones do we give up?
If we go the veteran free agent route then we really don’t save a whole lot of money. Young is already counted toward the future on the payroll. By moving him to 3B and promoting Andrus his salary basically now slides to the 3B slot. Trading him would mean now we have to sign a 3B. Good veteran 3B cost a decent chunk of change. I would estimate somewhere in the 8-10 mil per range. Sure you can go out and get a guy like Crede with injury concerns and hope he stays healthy but if this club is truly a young competitive team with a good young core do you want to put such a valuable position in such fragile hands? I would hate for all this work we have done building such a strong foundation to be undermined because we traded Young away and started signing injured vets on the cheap. Young is, if nothing more, a guy who will go out and play 155+ games a year.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 10, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
casey blake:
3 yrs/17.5 million. Granted this is a depressed market but there was also a dearth of 3b FA this year. And I think this team can be very competitive with a similar veteran guy like that. Id even say somebody a tier below blake with solid defense would be acceptable considering what we’d have going on offensively at the other positions.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 10, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Other positions
Well moving Young over to 3B and inserting Andrus I believe will diminish that thinking. Right now Young is above average offensively for a SS. That allows you to theoretically have a slightly below average guy offensively at another position and it evens out. I think Andrus will be, at least initially, below average offensively at SS. So you just took a pretty big hit offensively at SS now you are saying go with below average for 3B also.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 10, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Im saying go with a guy who is about league average, someone who will put up an OPS+ around 100 -110 and play good D. I think youre overestimating the cost for that. At SS yes you will probably take an offensive hit but plenty of teams have been successful with slick-fielding, light hitting shortstops
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 10, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im saying go with a guy who is about league average, someone who will put up an OPS+ around 100 -110 and play good D. I think youre overestimating the cost for that. At SS yes you will probably take an offensive hit but plenty of teams have been successful with slick-fielding, light hitting shortstops
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 10, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
mlbtr suggests
it is down to Texas and SF for Crede. Despite his back, if he give you 80-100 games of excellent defense this would amount to a major updrade.
by Goyogringo on Jan 10, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this year for sure
but down the road do you think the savings you would get from going with a player similar to Crede and a backup like metcalf would be big enough to offset the drop in production?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 10, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IF there is a deal
it will be an incentive-based short-term deal that would prove low-risk to the Rangers with a team option/buyout 2010. There does not seem to be too much demand for him right now but with Metcalf and Duran as backups at that spot, we might be the perfect team for him and he the perfect short-term 3b for us.
by Goyogringo on Jan 10, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if we sign crede id LOVE to have a 2nd year option
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 10, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If that's the case,
could we kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Sign Crede to fill 3rd and tempt SF with Blalock/Sanchez talk. Or is Blalock considered done at third?
by scoop16 on Jan 10, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Young is gone then I'd go after Beltre next year.
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 10, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
But then in essence you aren’t really saving any money off Youngs contract. If he is really only making 12 mil per year and all this talk is his contract is killing the Rangers financially then going out and signing Beltre would just slide the blame over to him. Now it would be his contract is hamstringing the Rangers.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 10, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who would you rather have manning the left side for the next 5 years, costs being equal,
Andrus and Young or Andrus and Beltre?
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 10, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Andrus and Beltre
Im just wondering if we did all this and essentially Beltre came in and took over Youngs contract if now all the ire over that contract would go to Beltre and we would hear all about how he is keeping Hicks from spending on free agents. Or is it simply because its Micheal Young that the contract comes into play so much
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 10, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
andrus and beltre
by far
over the next in 5 years whose going to be the better player? i think beltre
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 10, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
so if swapping young for beltre is payroll neutral i dont know how you can say its not an improvement. maybe beltre (and his contract) gets maligned if our pitching continues to stink and hicks doesnt open the pocketbook for a SP over the next few years, but if thats the situation i think we will have a bigger problem on our hands, our failure to develop and graduate quality starting pitching.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 10, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
but Beltre is a GREAT fielder and a better hitter than Young so you’d be getting a lot better production for that money and making thecontract not as happering.
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 10, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With the exception of last season ...
Beltre isn’t a better hitter than Young and hasn’t been outside of his freaky career year in LA 5 years ago. He’s obviously a much better fielder.
by Athos on Jan 10, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre
Beltre is a slightly better hitter than Young over his career. However, he’s three years younger and given Young’s decline last year, he may end up being a lot better hitter the next several seasons (unless Young’s fall-off really was more injury driven). Young’s hitting would probably be better if we got him off shortstop right now.
Beltre is better than Young, but if we were somehow able to get out from under Young’s contract, I don’t think I’d spend that money on Beltre.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 10, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brosius
The Yankees won WS with Scott Brosius at 3B.
A team doesn’t need an all-star at every position to be successful.
by T Coleman on Jan 10, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not
The Phillies won it with Pedro Feliz this past year. But we don’t have any 3B prospects in our system so we would have to look elsewhere. Signing guys like Crede, injured and a huge unknown whether they will stay healthy, costs less but has huge question marks attached to it. Signing more durable even average guys costs more. Therefore all this talk about getting out from under Youngs contract is null because we wouls be spending the money on someone else at the excat same position
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 10, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When I was a wee lad back in the 60s
and thought of nothing else but baseball, two of the better teams were not real stout at 3b. The Yankees ( Clete Boyer ) and the Dodgers ( Junior Gilliam and others ) just never seemed real stong at 3rd. Of course, the Cards ( Ken Boyer ) and the O’s ( Brokks Robinson ) were pretty stout at 3rd so its not like every good team was bad at 3rd
It just seeems to me a lot of good teams through the years have not been good at 3rd, but that might be my imagination
by BEW on Jan 10, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't have to be
But if you make up for it in other areas its ok. The Phillies last year had Pedro Feliz at 3B. But they had Utley and Rollins up the middle which made up for whatever they lacked at 3B. He was able to focus solely on being a good defensive player and others would carry them offensively. With Andrus at SS we can’t really afford to have someone who is below average offensively at 3B no matter how good their defense is. And I may be overestimating the cost of an average offensive 3B but I don’t think it will be that much less than the 12 mil per that Young will be making these next 5 years.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 10, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Thats true
I think one of the most distressing things to me about the otherwise outstanding Rangers farm system is the lack of 3b prospects. To me MY looks like about the best option for the next few years. Maybe Whittleman gets back in the picture
And BTW I really do think there is too much hating of MY going on. Maybe the contract is a little large but he has always played hard and been a good citizen. I wouldnt argue that he is in decline, but OTOH he played with two broken fingers. I’m betting that he has a better year this year. I wish more of our players were gamers ( yes, Vincente – I’m looking right at you ) like he is
by BEW on Jan 10, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Young isn't very likely to be average offensively for a CIF.
He might adapt better defensively than he has at short, but if we’re going to get a .760 OPS from the hot corner, I’m sure we can get it a whole lot cheaper.
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
by venturafearsnolan on Jan 10, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he can get back to the .800 OPS level ...
then he’ll be pretty average among ML 3rd basemen.
His performance this season should tell us if he’s still capable of putting up those kinds of numbers.
by Athos on Jan 10, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not unless he gets back some of his power and learns to take a walk.
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
by venturafearsnolan on Jan 10, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Part of that was me misreading...
When you said “his performance this season” made me think you were referring to his 2008 season, which was kind of… puzzling, actually. :)
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
by venturafearsnolan on Jan 10, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Third base
You know, wasn’t there a rumor awhile back about the Rangers eventually wanting to move MY back to second and Kinsler to third? I didn’t really think much of it at the time, but, if MY where traded, it makes you wonder if perhaps the plan would be to move Kinsler to third, and roll with Duran or Jose Vallejo, maybe eventually Marcus Lemon at second come 2010 and beyond.
The only problem with that is Vallejo and Lemon profile as UT guys, not necessarily starters, and Duran could wind up in that category too (and then there’s also the fact that I think Kinsler still has the tools to be an asset at second base) but you have to wonder if that would be the Rangers line of thought should Young be traded.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 10, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not disagreeing
Just curious. Why is Lemon not considered an eventual everyday talent?
by scoop16 on Jan 10, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, here's the scouting report Jason Parks did on him not too long ago
http://www.bbtia.com/home/2008/12/29/bbtia-scouting-series-marcus-lemon.html
Lemon’s a real enigma. His tools really aren’t above average, but so far he’s gotten the most out of his skills and has been an OBP machine, making him pretty sabermetrically loveable. I guess the question right now is how he’ll fare without any real advantage in skill set at the higher levels – I’m not among the crowd that’s very confident he’ll continue to maintain his production as he climbs the latter as a result, but I don’t mean to write him off completely. He’s definitely a guy to keep an eye on still.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 10, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Much thanks
I appreciate the link, and have bookmarked the page. I hope the kid pans out, as his dad was probably the nicest big league player I met as a kid.
by scoop16 on Jan 10, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinsler at 3rd
I think his arm would be fringey at 3rd.
"I see their [Angels] rotation as John Lackey and a bunch of decent starters." - AJM
by tricer on Jan 10, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinsler LF in'10
Young 2nd, Andrus SS, Trade/FA at 3rd. Is this idea still being considered? I realize the hope is Hamilton/Borbon take 2/3 of the outfield, but they can’t be relying on Cruz.
by scoop16 on Jan 10, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry but...
Kinsler in LF = No
Young at 2B = No
Rely on Cruz = We will see after this year.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jan 11, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His D is ready
and he’ll have to learn to hit at the MLB level anyway.The Rangers are in cost cutting mode, you don’t trade Young and then go looking on how to fill SS in your lineup . You trade Young to get out of the contract and promote Andrus. Even if he’s not ready, I don’t see them signing a stopgap SS.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on Jan 10, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He needs at least half a year in AAA
For offense and defensive purposes
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 10, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why not sign a stopgap guy?
an adam everett-type for one year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 10, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That makes no sense
you trade for a stopgap guy that you can trade when the time comes. If he hits .200 then what do you do? He didn’t exactly light it up in winter ball. There aren’t any other feasible options after him.
by Goyogringo on Jan 10, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, no one denied the conversation never happened, only that it has been long dead.
“So, you’re telling me I have a chance.”
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 10, 2009 12:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
this is boogers.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 10, 2009 12:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hold up
the rangers asked for Dye and Poreda?
So, the are willing to trade MY? I didn’t even think they were looking into doing this…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 10, 2009 12:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
where did you get that part?
the article adam linked to doesn’t mention it but it doesn’t really seem to be the source of the rumors either. mlbtr?
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 10, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 10, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
answered my own question
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/01/levine-on-young.html
man. it’s one thing to say you aren’t really shopping MY if other teams ask about him and you shoot him down.
But at the point that other teams ask about him and you actually give a somewhat reasonable offer, you are kind of shopping him.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 10, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That article is so poorly researched
that it nullifies any credibility of the reporting.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 10, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
explain how it's 'so poorly researched'?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 10, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RIF!
Young, multi-talented infielder and 5-time All-Star, is in the final year of a contract and will be a free agent at the end of the 2009 season.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 10, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, yeah, i didn't even read from the start
good call. I’m thinking he meant Dye, but that was one bad sentence.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 10, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Question of the day...
Will Michael Young crack Adam’s Top 50 Rangers of All-Time? Discuss…
"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley
by trza on Jan 10, 2009 1:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well if we ever get past 35 or so
Even with Adam’s complete and utter hatred of Young, he’s got to be in the top 30 somewhere. Bump Wills just made the list
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 10, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Top 50
Of course he will.
Young has been a solid player for several years (and a really good player a couple of seasons). The issue with Michael Young isn’t what he’s done the past few seasons, it’s paying him $80 million for the next five seasons.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 10, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably top 15.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 10, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think the real question is
where will ricky ledee place
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 10, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still looking for George Wright
On the list.
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on Jan 10, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What does getting rid of MY really mean?
Does that mean we sign Sheets and trade/sign for another big-time pitcher? Do we do that anyways? I honestly have no idea. But while MY is pretty overpaid, he is a clubhouse leader that everyone looks up to. Also it seems like people get significantly better around him and give him credit for that (dumpmaster & kinsler (?)). So while I want to trade MY, I guess I really would like to know what trading him would result in.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 10, 2009 3:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The clubhouse leader bit seems overplayed, to me
The only time I can recall MY actually leading the clubhouse is when he burned CJ Wilson last year. MY just seems like the quiet, steady type (nothing wrong with that, of course, quiet and steady is good) to me, but not really a “leader” in the sense that the clubhouse would fall apart without him. Of course, all I’m really doing is surmising, but it seemed like the “leaders” of the clubhouse this past season where the young guys (Hamilton, Kinz, Murphy) and the vets like MY and Blalock (when he was around, anyway) just kinda stood back and watched ‘em go. I dunno, maybe that’s way off-base, but that’s what it seemed like to me.
I think if we traded MY now, it would primarily be a move to make some FA signings like Sheets and Crede, and save some money in the longrun – long-term is where it could get interesting, with our atrocious depth at 3B becoming an exposed problem.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 10, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I figure if we trade MY
we sign Sheets and then next year we maybe make a trade for a high-priced pitcher like a Halladay…Maybe not Halladay, but we are suddenly a player to make a trade for a high-quality pitcher on a non-contending team.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 10, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hello!
We can trade Young and simply slot Joaquin Arias into SS for 2009.
I don’t want to give prospects to Seattle, but Beltre would be nice at 3B. Crede is fine with me as long as everyone understands he is likely to only play 100 games at 3B if that!
I am fine with going 3/42 for Lowe, with a 4th year option at $15. If he is still healthy and performing well then that would be cheap. If Lowe doesn’t sign then I would liek to see what it takes to get Wolf or Perez (like his age) before grabbing Sheets. Don’t believe there is ANY market for Sheets. Like a 2/30 offer for him.
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
by pbpsean on Jan 10, 2009 4:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll eat your boot heel
if Arias plays SS in 09
by Goyogringo on Jan 10, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im lovin this Ten - Bal game.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 10, 2009 4:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That Titan's O-line is amazing
And the Ravens defense seems really tired. They haven’t had a bye week since week 2.
by hiafex on Jan 10, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except the usually fantastic Kevin Mawae...
…and Kerry Collins can’t get on the same page. I dunno what’s up.
I’m kind of sad that this isn’t the AFC Championship game as I like both teams. Either one of these teams facing Carolina would be a great SB matchup for me (yes, NYG has been a better team than Carolina, but I’m a Cowboys fan….)
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 10, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah...just realized that Mawae isn't playing.
This explains a lot…guess having the game on mute means you miss some things…
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 10, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you should start a fanpost then
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 10, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't do fanpost.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 10, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Done...lol!
Even before I read this thread
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 10, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another WTF move for the Royals
Bloomquist 1yr/3million
Really? He’s a hustler and he hustles? Do you get double-secret extra credit for that? And this might be the first time that a player with a .322 career on-base percentage has been described as “an on-base guy.” At least by a modern, (presumably) Web-equipped baseball man. Why not also describe Bloomquist as a “doubles guy”? After all, he did hit one double last year.
As a commenter here points out, the Royals have now committed $11.4 million in 2009 to Kyle Farnsworth, Mike Jacobs, Horacio Ramirez and Willie Bloomquist. For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can’t afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players.
by Randy Richardson on Jan 10, 2009 7:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wow
a year and a half ago i was kind of excited to see a potential royals resurgence but now it just looks like a train wreck
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 10, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They were on the right track at one point
but they jumped the gun in their rebuilding and keep giving crappy veterans a lot of playing time. I don’t really understand their thinking.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 10, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Part of the problem
Alex Gordon and Billy Butler haven’t quite taken off yet.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 10, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to assume
that some of your prospects won’t make it or at least won’t do great right away. Its just look at what they’ve done around their prospects. Things like this signing, signing Guillen, trading for Jacobs. They’ve been loading up on poor defensive players who also can’t hit that well with a few talented players mixed in there, who also have under-performed. And then you got Dayton Moore say he is tired of rebuilding and he wants to try and win this year or whatever. Unless you are going to do what the Cubs did a couple of off seasons ago when they went big in FA and signed Soriano, Lilly, Marquis, and Dero in one offseason, then I don’t see how they are expecting to compete right now.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 11, 2009 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2 years $3 million
Still, dumb…
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 10, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my bad
2yr/3million. Slightly less dumb.
by Randy Richardson on Jan 10, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 10, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, interesting that Reeves suggests Diamond as well here…
Now we know for sure that Redding won’t be in the way of developing some of the team’s younger starters, like Eric Hurley, Matt Harrison and Thomas Diamond.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 10, 2009 9:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Diamond is just a bonus now
Potentially a big bonus.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 10, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
elaborate, please
…allowing the Rangers to deal Blalock
i think that no team wanting blalock is the actual impediment to trading him – not the acquisition of dye. maybe you could elaborate.
you know it’s not 2004, right?
FWIW – hank is not listed as a ranger on espn.com. he is not accessible as a current player doing a player search at espn.com. i was only able to find him by searching all time players. hard to argue a guy’s relevance when he doesn’t exist.
by sam in so cal on Jan 11, 2009 7:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Check
http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/team/roster_active.jsp?c_id=tex
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Jan 11, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right
i know he’s a ranger, but i think it’s odd that espn doesn’t
i didn’t really need proof, but thanks.
by sam in so cal on Jan 11, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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