Sunday a.m. stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 11, 2009 10:56 AM CST
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Another day with very little news.
Phil Rogers suggests that Nolan Ryan might bring Bobby Valentine and Tom House back to Texas to be manager and pitching coach if Ron Washington gets off to a slow start again.
The Chicago Sun-Times has a lengthy Milton Bradley article up.
And Jim Reeves takes issue with the notion that Jed Lowrie is better than Michael Young because, Reeves says, you can't measure heart and leadership. He also suggests that Young's contract wouldn't be a factor in the equation because the Red Sox rarely worry about money.
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$12M worth of heart...
for what will be .265/.295/.405 in a year or two.
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
by venturafearsnolan on Jan 11, 2009 11:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
MY is owed 16M / year
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 11, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it came out that a lot of it has already been payed in bonuses and the like...
and that the current actual number remaining is closer to 12.
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
by venturafearsnolan on Jan 11, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
13M / and 3M / in deferred money
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 11, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Hes already been paid a substantial amount of that contract. Hes owed 60 mil over the next 5 years
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 11, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nope he's owed 80M from 09 - 13
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 11, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is correct
Although it says $15mm is deferred
by TexasTiger on Jan 11, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone with better search skills than me
and more time maybe can look it up but there was an article linked on here not too long ago that stated that Young had been paid bonuses as part of his deal in the amount of roughly 20 million since his extension was signed therefore making him owed 60 million over the next 5 years. I know what Cots says but I think that is wrong
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 11, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i seem to remember that too
funny though, while i was trying to corroborate it, i found an old poll here taken right after the MY extension.
Only 16% thought it was a bad or horrible deal. Everyone else agreed it was at least an okay contract that wouldn’t hamper us too much. Eesh!
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 11, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Link to the $60m figure.
Here is a link to a blog entry from the Winter Meetings (1:01 p.m. entry) that says Young is owed $60m over the next five years with some of that being deferred and that over the last two years he has received bonuses against the original $80m extension.
by Athos on Jan 11, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if that is true then
that is 25% less than I thought. but I would rather see something more official than Rosenthal blogging one paragraph about it. Is there any other source than this?
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 11, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I've found.
Though I don’t have any reason to think Rosenthal just made it up.
by Athos on Jan 11, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heyman wrote it was $62M, which jives with the "approximately $60 million" from Rosenthal
by Joey Matschulat on Jan 11, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Young
It’s still $16 million a year for the five years covered by the extension.
The fact that he’s already been paid about $20 million of it doesn’t change the fact that his total compensation for those years will be $16 million/year.
That’s a lot of heart and leadership….
by Darrell McKown on Jan 11, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, like a lot of team faves, he got rewarded substantially ...
based upon past performance rather than future projections. Still, his contract isn’t nearly the albatross going forward given that a quarter of it has already been paid and another few million per year is deferred.
by Athos on Jan 11, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it does kind of change things up
since his last contract was so small. So unless you really have some sort of reason to look only at the contract instead of yearly salaries, he pretty much just hasn’t been a bargain for the Rangers these past 2 years while still not exactly being overpaid relative to the league.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 11, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Think of it this way
He essentially signed a 7 year 87 million dollar deal in March of 07. That works out to just over 12 mil per year.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 11, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
That is absolutely wrong. He signed a 5 year, $80 million contract.
What he was already committed to play for isn’t relevant. The Rangers had no obligation to increase his pay for 2007 or 2008.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 11, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So its irrelevant
that he was getting paid a good chunk of that 5 year contract in the 2 years before the deal starts?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 11, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
He is costing the Rangers $80 million for 5 years of service.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 11, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its not irrelevant
if you might like to move the contract; it makes it almost palatable at 12mil/per that a big market team might bite
by Goyogringo on Jan 11, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not just moving the contract
but in considering how much money this team has to spend. Young making 16 million vs 12.4 (if Heyman is right) is a pretty significant difference. And its also directed at the crowd that talk about how much the contract is preventing this team from making moves in FA.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 11, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do so many people...
…want to conflate the two contracts in an attempt to try to justify the bad contract the Rangers gave Young?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 11, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Conflate
That’s a new one for me.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 11, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but...
If you are going to overpay a player, the Rangers did a pretty good job by keeping the annual salary to a not-so-terrible level with those early bonus payments. I am not trying to defend the contract, in fact I never really liked it to begin with, but the contract is not as horrendous as it first seems.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jan 11, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So...
they did a good job paying too much money by paying some of it early?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jan 11, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Once MY and the Rangers signed that deal, there is no amount of pissing and moaning that could take place on this blog that would change this fact. Like it or not, the Rangers are a cost conscious team. Moreover, MY will get his money at a time when the Rangers are hopefully competing. For a team with playoff aspirations, marginal wins become more valuable, thus the Rangers need to spend more in free agency if they want to become even more competitive. Young’s contract will put a damper on this. However, Hicks brought down the annual salary of Young’s deal by bonus payments made when the team was still in rebuilding mode. I’d much rather Hicks do this than defer payments to a time when the Rangers could hopefully be vying for a playoff spot (very optimistic, I know). Perhaps my original wording of “pretty good job” was a poor choice.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jan 12, 2009 8:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do some people ...
feel the necessity to pull out their thesaurus in an attempt to sound learned? Next thing you know you’ll be dusting off your Bartlett’s Familiar Quotations so you can quote Shakespeare.
: )
by Athos on Jan 11, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do you think 5 years and 60MM
is a bad contract going forward for the Rangers?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 11, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
biased towards the longest tenured every day starter on their franchise
some unthinkable atrocity like that.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 11, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take that bet.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 11, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
$$
If the Red Sox rarely worry about money, don’t you think that Teixeira would be their starting 1B next season? So I guess they are worried about payroll for the upcoming season, so a Young for Lowrie swap still does not make any sense.
I heard Valentine talk on MLB Home Plate last weekend, and the host asked him about coming back to MLB. Valentine said it would not be proper to talk about future jobs while currently under contract with another team. So people can start rumors all they want, but Valentine will finish his current job before doing anything else baseball related.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jan 11, 2009 11:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Valentine
Wasn’t he accused of mangling young arms while he was here last time?
gulp
by shroomer on Jan 11, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
However, Nolan is running things now, so I assume a manager who works young arms to death wouldn’t be viewed as a bad thing.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 11, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you hate Nolan!!??
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demoltion Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Adam hates everyone in the Rangers organization....
He only has this website because he feels sorry for Rangers fans and wanted a place where we can console each other…… and also to belittle our opinions and show how much he knows about baseball.
Damn you, Adam!!
;-) ;-) ;-)
t ball on MY - "hate the contract, don't hate the player"
by bspate on Jan 11, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's not fair.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 11, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And people think JD has set this franchise back
imagine how far back we’ll be should Felix/Holland/Main/Beaven go the route of Prior/Wood, didn’t Hart want to bring up DVD back in 04 to help in the playoff run?
"Losers assemble in little groups and bitch about the coaches and the system and other players in other little groups. Winners assemble as a team."
- Bill Parcells
by Taylor on Jan 11, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
Maybe House can get them all throwing footballs again so we can watch each of them tear rotator cuffs on a freakishly regular basis. That would be great.
by Athos on Jan 11, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they all get free how-to videos and books
with an autograph even
by Goyogringo on Jan 11, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this valentine/house talk is nonsense
just like the Andrew Cashner hysteria.
So, Ryan is going to fire his guy in Maddux to get his guy in House?
Not sure where Rogers is getting his info, but that’s some weak logic.
Man, those Chicago columnists, Levine, Rogers, Mariotti, they sure know how to drum up stuff…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 11, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the first thing I thought
The team just hired Maddux and I’m guessing Nolan was on board with that move. So why would he go and bring someone else in less than a year after hiring maddux.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 11, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Reeves really whines for his mancrush
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 11, 2009 11:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sheets
9. Ben Sheets, free agent pitcher: We’re hearing more and more that a team like the Braves or Rangers could pony up a couple of years on a contract that would land the oft-injured righthander. At this stage of free agency, he seems like big-time quality for a price that has surely come down. “I think as the weeks go on, more and more teams are going to take a good, hard look at him,” said a National League manager. “Given his history, he’s just not going to get a big deal, and the realization might be sinking in that he and his agents know it.”
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 11, 2009 11:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i don't like this waiting
It’s one thing to wait so that sheets and agent can see the market isn’t that great to try to lower sheets’ price.
However, waiting until everybody is off the board just means that you are allowing for the possibility that a bunch of teams who weren’t interested in Sheets could come calling after having struck out on other players.
The Rangers should end this (if they can) by upping their offer by a couple million or adding some incentives – making some sort of offer that will be perceived generous compared to previous talks but also signal that the Rangers won’t be waiting around for the answer either.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 11, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.....
I think the Rangers could make up those couple of extra million from the revenue they would make from the butts in the seats from actually signing a pitcher for once. If the Rangers would actually make a fucking splash in free agency, then the fans, teammates, and local media would respond.
As of now, the Rangers are moving farther and farther away from being relevant in this town…….and it makes me sad.
The media and local sports fans talk about the other teams because they do something…..even if it doesn’t equate to winning or have positive effects….
- Cowboys – get Roy Williams, Pacman, Zach Thomas
- Stars – get Brad Richards, Avery
- Mavericks – get Jason Kidd
- Rangers – NOTHING!! (unless you count a week of talk about Hamilton’s Home Run Derby efforts)
Apathy among fans will slowly kill the Rangers not risky free agent signings!!
t ball on MY - "hate the contract, don't hate the player"
by bspate on Jan 11, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Butts in seats from a big signing.
Worked out real well with Millwood didn’t it?
by Athos on Jan 11, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Millwood isn't the same quality of pitcher that Sheets is
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 11, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if you can say that
At the time Millwood came here he was thought as a very good pitcher. He wasn’t the superstar that a Pedro Martinez is or anything but he was coming off a phenominal season where he led the AL in ERA with a sub 3 ERA and was far more durable than Sheets is. 3 of the 4 previous years prior to coming to Texas he had pitched at least 190 innings and had averaged over 192 innings per year over that 4 year span.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 11, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
winning makes you relevant.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jan 11, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well....
The Rangers did acquire Josh Hamilton within a couple months of the acquistion of Thomas by the Cowboys, Richards by the Stars and Kidd by the Mavs. The other deals (Williams, Pacman and Avery) are so toxic they shouldn’t even be discussed.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 11, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anybody think
Pedro going to the Marlins (if that deal happens) would spring any of the Marlings pitchers for a Salty/Teagarden trade?
My answer is no but hoping someone else has a different take. They can’t really be so comfortable with Pedro that they would give up Volstad, right?
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 11, 2009 12:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Volstad is the wrong name
maybe Anibal Sanchez?
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 11, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine...
…the Rangers would part with a catcher for Anibal Sanchez.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 11, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez
If Sanchez is healthy, I would strongly consider dealing Ramirez for him and maybe another lesser prospect.
I’ve always like Sanchez though, and I’m not sold on Ramirez. I think it may be the time to sell high on him.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 11, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not sold on Max
what does he need to do? post a .900 OPS? well he does that every year. post a 1.000 OPS? well he’s done that during his first crack at AA.
Why do you think now is the time to sell high on him?
"I see their [Angels] rotation as John Lackey and a bunch of decent starters." - AJM
by tricer on Jan 11, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is there nobody in between
volstad and sanchez?
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 11, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
None of Nolasco/Miller/Johnson are likely to be dealt.
If you don’t want Sanchez, maybe you turn to guys like Tucker/West for Max.
by LiamP on Jan 11, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Red Sox don't worry about money,
but they do worry about value. Only a fool would pay many millions when a comparable player is already in hand for much less.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jan 11, 2009 12:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Slightly OT: Mariners brass meets with fans
Here’s a recap from USS Mariner:
http://ussmariner.com/2009/01/10/the-jan-10-recap-of-sorts/
More confirmation that the M’s are under smarter management now. Most interesting quotes to me:
Wakamatsu — they think Wakamatsu’s going to be tremendous. Raaaaaaaaaaved about Wakamatsu.
Changes in the way the team consults with their statheads, so the baseball research guys have an active part in discussions… Tango’s encouraged to push ideas and information up. There will be input into Wakamatsu’s strategies.
Draft: draft the best guys. College/high school, pitcher/hitter, doesn’t matter.
Also something in there about not rushing prospects as much, which has been a problem up there, IMHO.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jan 11, 2009 12:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Valentine to the Rangers??
As Bobby would say……. Hai.
t ball on MY - "hate the contract, don't hate the player"
by bspate on Jan 11, 2009 12:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Semi-valid point, though
Sabermetrics tends to cause people to completely ignore intangible value and view baseball as a sport won by a bunch of individuals than by a team
by BuckyB on Jan 11, 2009 1:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
BP's John Perrotto
on where the remaining top FAs will go…
Ben Sheets (6.1): It’s beginning to look as if he may have to wait until spring training and hope that someone loses a starting pitcher before he’ll be able to command a decent contract. Most likely, he’ll sign with the Rangers on the cheap; he lives in the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 11, 2009 2:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They also
have Varitek resigning with Boston on that list.
by SHSUHorn on Jan 11, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, this is what he says on that
Jason Varitek (5.3): The switch-hitting catcher and team captain’s only option is to return to the Red Sox. It’s now only a matter of when he’ll decide to swallow his pride and take less than the $10 million he made last season, and would have made next season had he accepted the club’s offer of salary arbitration.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 11, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Boras screwed the pooch with that little piece of advice.
by Athos on Jan 11, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
if i was him i’d fire boras. that was some awful advice to turn down arbitration
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jan 11, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boras has been great at his job in the past
but teams aren’t biting on his BS anymore and he looks to be too full of himself to have foreseen the effect of the economy on baseball’s non-elite FAs. I really would love to see more players do what A-Rod did last season and publicly bitch slap Boras.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 11, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since I find it necessary to comment on all Mavs rumors:
I saw this odd nugget:
3-way with Charlotte and OKC:
Diop and Watson to Charlotte
Felton to Dallas
No speculation on OKC’s return
I don’t really see how that makes sense as anything but a salary dump. But as a salary dump, it sure is nice.
by brettgardner on Jan 11, 2009 3:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I can't make sense out of it.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 11, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's one I cooked up
And it makes only marginal sense for each team, but here goes:
Howard and Bass
for
Wright, Belinelli, and Jackson
We’re getting the superior talent by far in the deal, so there’s the possibility of the immediate balk. The benefit to GS, though, is that they get to shed a terrible contract (and they have plenty of those to go around), they get a perfect Nelly player in Bass, and a better defender and contract in Howard.
It wouldn’t happen, but I think Wright and Belinelli are two guys to target.
by brettgardner on Jan 11, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jackson and howard
very similar players but it’s kind of disconcerting that howard never became better than jackson. jackson is probably the better player now, no?
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 11, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
He’s the better offensive player for sure. Not even close. Howard’s a better defender and he has a more reasonable contract. That’s all he has on him, really.
by brettgardner on Jan 11, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely think Wright can be had.
I’ve never seen Belinelli play, but I hear good things about him. Im sure Nelly would love to have Howard. I wonder if Nelly would prefer Bargani over Howard, because you could make it a three-way.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 11, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen him
Several times.
He’s got a pretty sweet shot and, from an article I read last week, he’s really come a long way on his defense—the article is entirely about the fact that he’s gone from the doghouse to guarding Kobe (also mentions that Kobe was trash-talking in Italian).
by brettgardner on Jan 11, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Has anybody else noticed that ESPN’s completely ripped off “Trade Machine” is actually vastly superior to RealGM’s?
by brettgardner on Jan 11, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I had no idea.
Never used RealGM’s, but I do love ESPN’s. Is Belinelli a pg or sg?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 11, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lord had a piece on this rumor
on db.com.
*And with [Raymond] Felton and [Joe] Smith to Dallas (with [DeSagana] Diop and [Shawne] Williams leaving), [Sean] May, [Adam] Morrison, and Williams going to OKC (with Smith and [Earl] Watson leaving), and Diop and Watson going to Charlotte (with May, Morrison, and Felton leaving), we’ve finished our imaginary negotiations.
How does the dust settle?
In Dallas we’re happy because we’ve not stripped ourselves of a backup big man, we’ve got a young-but-talented PG, and still have Josh Howard, Brandon Bass, and the advantageous contract of Jerry Stackhouse to use for any other bigger possibilities that might emerge.
OKC is happy because they get more young talent to plug into their building program.
And Charlotte gets a couple of defensive-oriented veterans to replace underachieving offensive-minded kids, which will make Larry Brown happy.
Note I couldn’t get it to work in RealGm trade checker though so I must have missed something.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jan 11, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Charlotte gets the short end of the stick
Felton seems more valuable. But I’ve also never liked Watson, so.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 11, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be
Such a ridiculous steal for Dallas. Charlotte and OKC get completely fucked there. That’s pretty unrealistic, I think.
by brettgardner on Jan 11, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
It does work, salary-wise.
by brettgardner on Jan 11, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
The Mavs got to do something whether it’s buy and make one last run or trade Kidd and get some pieces for the future. It’s clear that this team as is, will not win a championship.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on Jan 11, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Malice in the Palace
What was the Carlisle/Jackson relationship like after that?
by scoop16 on Jan 11, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
From everything I've read
They’re not very close.
by brettgardner on Jan 11, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do people really call it that?
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 11, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
reply button is your friend
As i was told after my first couple of post here.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 11, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that reminds me of
when I told iorange555 to use the reply button and he told me he knew about it but “doesn’t like to use it”.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 11, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thought I was...
I’ll work on it.- Thanks
by scoop16 on Jan 11, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good lord.
half a thread of Gdawg-Andy Seiler talk. This might be rock bottom.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
by AirJordan on Jan 11, 2009 8:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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