Michael Young reportedly demands to be traded
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 11, 2009 10:01 PM CST
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PrintRangers shortstop Michael Young asked to be traded after team officials told him in December that they want him to move to third base, according to major-league sources.
Young, 32, does not want to change positions. He was "absolutely livid" with the Rangers for making such a request just months after American League managers and coaches voted him a Gold Glove for the first time, one source said.
Rangers general manager Jon Daniels and manager Ron Washington informed Young shortly after the winter meetings that the team wanted him to play third to clear a spot for top shortstop prospect Elvis Andrus, 20. Club president Nolan Ryan did not attend the meeting.
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[Young] would rather be traded than displaced for Andrus, who has yet to play above Class AA, sources said.
Young's agent, Dan Lozano, declined comment.
"The basic feeling was, let's get all of our championship-caliber players on the field at the same time," Daniels said. "We know Michael is one of them. We believe Elvis will be one of them. What is the best way?
"The decision was made that what fits best is if Michael is willing to move to third base. It really comes down to what is best for the team.
"I have tremendous respect for Michael, the work he puts in, what he's accomplished. Part of our (contractual) commitment to him is because of his leadership and the team-first player he is. Hopefully his willingness to make that transition would send a positive message to the rest of our organization."
But Young is opposed to the move.
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The Rangers would seek a young third baseman in any trade for Young, sources said, creating the possibility of a deal with the White Sox, who could offer Josh Fields, or the Angels, who could offer Brandon Wood. The Mets and Dodgers also have expressed interest in Young this off-season.
I don't even know what to say about this. It will be interesting to see what the D/FW media reaction is.
UPDATE --
T.R. Sullivan has a little bit about it as well:
The Rangers have asked Michael Young to move to third base to make room for Elvis Andrus. Young has been adamantly opposed to such a move and the Rangers may explore the possibility of a trade.
Jeff Wilson says a conference call with Daniels is pending.
UPDATE --
The Rangers have asked Michael Young to move to third base. Young has asked the Rangers to explore a trade.
The Rangers want Young to play third base so they can use rookie Elvis Andrus at shortstop. The Rangers are reluctant to use Travis Metcalf at third base.
UPDATE --
Young’s outlook hasn’t changed, and Daniels said he has spoken with clubs about a trade. Spring training is approaching quickly — position players report Feb. 19 — and the prevailing hope is that Young will agree to the move before full-squad workouts begin.
“I wouldn’t use the term demanded, but he has asked us to explore trade possibilities,” Daniels said. “I realize we’ve asked him to make a move that he was not, in his own mind, planning to make at this point. I’m respectful of that.
“He’s always done what’s been in the best interest of the club and hope that he continues to do so.”
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heh
I can’t already tell you what the reaction will be.
As I said in another thread.....
the slow news days are over.
Dammit, Young.
A bunch of us have stuck up for you on this board, especially regarding your team-first attitude. Your boy ARod made the switch and the world didn’t end. Shut the hell up, move your ass to 3rd, and show the team that way overpaid to keep you in your declining years some friggin’ respect.
Kinsler > Young?
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 11, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Heh
Just testing the waters …
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 11, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
Yes in regard to on the field talent...
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
i'm confident
he’ll concede and make the move after the initial shock subsides. i also think he’ll make a good 3rd baseman.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
TR already picked it up.
Here’s the key question: Where does Young end up and what do we get in return?
Probably because...
…Young wants out, and there’s been not enough movement to satisfy his people that he’s getting dealt.
So he’s ramping up the pressure.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 11, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
Almost proves
That no one is a truly team-friendly player. Young is the guy I would expect to suck it up and continue to play, but he’s shown me that everyone has a limit for their pride.
by Andy Seiler on Jan 11, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
It probably doesn't make JDs bargaining position any easier, though.
And, I don’t really see how this helps JDs position in the trade market. He may receive more phone calls, but he won’t receive the value he wants. So….
Besides, who does MY think he is? Ripken moved to third. ARod moved to third.
Basically, MY is saying, “I don’t care what you get in return for trading me. I won’t play 3B, and I want out.” This is a very pissy thing to do.
Go Rangers!
this shreds any value MY had...
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 11, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
The DFW newsmedia reaction in a nutshell
1. He won a gold glove last year, so why should he have to move?
2. Outrageous to ask the clubhouse leader to move
3. Something playing up the fact that Nolan wasn’t in the meeting and how it’s entirely on JD/Wash.
4. Andrus is just a prospect and should never displace a vet like MY.
I’d be shocked if there was one columnist who isn’t on FOTF’s side of the argument.
Mr. Pissbags will be.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
It's a weird situation...
…because FOTF is definitely a media darling because he “plays the game right” and “puts the team first.”
Yet how are the FOTF apologists going to excuse away his apparent refusal to “be a team player?”
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
That said...
…I am not happy about this. I like FOTF a lot, and I think he’s an important cog to the franchise.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
saddest part is,
that the one thing the rangers really needed to do to move past the ARod, Sori, MY, Chan Ho, loserdom era that has turned the whole franchise into Josey’s was to get rid of MY. But they were loyal to MY, to a fault. and even now wouldnt really thinkk about moving him, until this.
MY is actually doing the rangers a favor, b/c they never woulda had the balls to just move on. Now they can and it isnt the end of the world, in fact its a new beginning.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Agreed
Those are my feelings too.
-- Micah
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by The Best Micah on Jan 11, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah maybe
but what are we gonna do about third? Metcalf. Hope not. Duran. Hope not. Also, my feelings are that MY is the best 2 hole hitter in the game. I wouldn’t necessarily cry over losing a #2 hitter, but I think it will really hurt this lineup. IMO, when the dust settles, the team will be worse off. Too many factors working against the Rangers for this to work out ok.
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I can't believe this is actually happening
Obviously I was wrong that there was no chance they would move him until Elvis was ready.
Trade rumors have to be very real now..
Wow, when faced with Young actually possibly being gone, good for the team or not it would be very.. sad.
In the long run it would probably be better for the team, but it looks bad and I still wanted him on the team. I would have been fine with him being below average at 3b for a while. But obviously staying at SS for more than 1 to 1.5 years was going to create a real problem and if he flatly refuses to move.. what else can you do?
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I agree
I totally laughed off all the trade rumors floating around earlier, but I guess there must have been something to it.
I’m frankly shocked that this is coming out right now. I guess I believed the “team player” hype a little too much.
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Lets Sori his ASS
no we arent trading you, you are moving to 3b, we arent asking. if you dont like it we can deactivate you and you wont get paid, but we arent trading you and you are our 3b.
yoda mind trick, i dont give a damn your just a player theory in action
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Wow
Some excitement, I love it.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
right right, at least some action
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
some initial thoughts
I am glad JD ased him now and not Feb 14 or when MY reports to ST.
2010 is when the Rangers are expected to seriously compete for the division. Let Andrus make his rookie mistakes in 2009.
Sounds like the Rangers believe Elvis can mentally handle the MLs now.
I expect the Rangers to also push Borbon, Holland, Feliz and Diamond.
Would you be happy with .220/.273/.261 from Andrus in 2009?
For some reason, I think MY will open the season at 3B for the Rangers.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
Very valid one if they intend on playing him this year
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Exactly.
Would you be happy with a crappy line from Andrus this season, assuming that Young gets dealt? That, I’d have to think on.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
No
I don’t want to see Elvis in Arlington before July at the very earliest. He may be ready defensively but not offensively. It would be like promoting Feliz now because his fastball is ML ready
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
i believe the thinking is
if they are getting .220/.273/.261 from metcalf, arent they better off defensively getting the same production out of elvis, b/c of his range.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Vizquel
That is the line from Omar Vizquel’s rookie season.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
Oh I see.
I didn’t know you were trying to make that point; I just took the question at face (NO PUN INTENDED) value.
I don’t think he’ll hit quite that poorly either. At least I hope to god not if this whole scenario is even a remote possibility.
Good riddance
I hope he never plays another game for the Rangers. One of the most over rated players to ever put on the uniform. He was given credit for being a great guy because he volunteered to move to shortstop, even though shortstop is the more sexy position.
Now that he’s asked to move to third he is exposed. Good riddance.
This.
I always kind of laughed at the idea his move from second to short was some sort of heroic gesture.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
You Dont Ask Players to Move Positions You tell them!
-Frank
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Holy shit.
I don’t even know what to say.
What a bastard.
I kind of hope they keep him and play chicken with his punk ass like Washington did with Soriano.
Even through all of the contract hate I always really liked FFace… until now.
What a little snot nosed punk bitch.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demoltion Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
I want to see him pull a Soriano
And refuse to play his position in Spring Training. See what kind of reception he gets then in Arlington.
by Andy Seiler on Jan 11, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Soriano
The difference here is he is under contract for 5 years and is guaranteed 60 million. Soriano was in his FA year and needed to play to earn that big contract he got.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Let him refuse to take the field for even one game, then void his contract.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
Unless I missed something
I don’t think its that easy
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Refusal to Play
Is equal to reneging on your contract unless there’s a clause about his position.
by Andy Seiler on Jan 11, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
Heh
Even better, refuse to pay him under the rules of baseball and suspend him, then let him sit by and watch his career say goodbye.
by Andy Seiler on Jan 11, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
This is a chance to get rid of that bad contract and pick up something decent in return.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
There's no way we move his whole contract and get something decent back in return.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
True but...
If they do move him and get a young prospect back in return the could spend that money they save on a type A pitcher aka Sheets. Yes, No?
Miami bound...
+1
If he went to Strickland he’d get his ass whipped.
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 11, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Damn it, F Face.
Get over yourself. Just cause you won a GG doesn’t make you a good SS. Tex-Douche F Face-Douche Blalock-kind of a douche. The future looked bright in the 2000’s with them manning the infiled, they all turned out to be douches. . Glad he won’t be here when we start winning.
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I'm glad you don't like Blalock either.
Doesn’t sign autographs willingly.
by aggierangerfan00 on Jan 11, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like the team figures that Andrus will need a half season in AAA to be ready.
So the real reason why the team has not been active in the 3B market was they already had one and where looking to pick up a cheap short term stopgap SS.
Three important questions
1) Who do we get in return? (do we target a young pitcher? or a 3B?)
2) Who plays 3B in the short-term and long-term?
3) Does the money saved from an MY trade result in money being re-allocated toward pitching?
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
Doesn't Josh Fields suck at 3rd?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Josh Fields sucks in general
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by DShep on Jan 11, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You don't know that.
He might be awesome at stuff other than, you know, baseball.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, you should clarify.
Josh Fields sucks at baseball.
Josh Fields, however, is a terrific cook.
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Fields hit 23 HRs in 373 ABs his rookie year....
…and was injured most of last year. He’s basically Chris Davis with a lower batting average. What about that sucks so much?
by Schrute Farms on Jan 11, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
right time?
Isn’t this the right time to do it if they believe MY will want a trade? They can anoint a new FOTF, attendance is already going to be down in 2009 with or without MY, break in Andrus now instead of 2010.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
I wouldn't break in Andrus yet
even if they trade Young. I think you have to give Andrus some time in AAA then you can call him up.
A stopgap like Cabrera or someone like that would do.
Wait 'til the year after next
He's not saying they should
Hes saying they might to help explain why young is gone.
the preceding post was a great success.
(of course.. you arnt technically saying otherwise.. so nevermind really)
the preceding post was a great success.
clear
“The basic feeling was, let’s get all of our championship-caliber players on the field at the same time,” Daniels said. "We know Michael is one of them. We believe Elvis will be one of them. What is the best way?
I think it is clear from Daniel’s statement that Andrus would be the SS on opening day. At least that is his plan.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
I don't know that I'd go that far
But it certainly appears they plan on him being there by Opening Day 2010.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 11, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
FA
Do you think they would go out and sign a FA SS on a one year contract and ask MY to move to 3B if they didn’t want Andrus at SS immediately?
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
I think if they traded Young...
…they’d talk to Orlando Cabrera about a one year deal.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 11, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
What about long-term?
Can Chris Davis play 3B in the majors?
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
Probably not
Well, he could, but I don’t think they want to do that.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 11, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Figured they wouldn't want that
should be very interesting to see the rumors that start to fly on the internet.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
No
Improving the defense starts with Michael Young moving from SS, and Chris Davis staying at 1st.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Good point
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
For good measure ... no.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 11, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
So
you think JD asked MY to move to 3B and expected him to ask for a trade? What if MY doesn’t get traded? If the Rangers don’t trade him, doesn’t Andrus have to start at SS?
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
Really?
However, Daniels said that the team does not want to ask Young to change positions at mid-season — a scenario that could arise if the Rangers signed a stopgap at third base, started Andrus at Class AAA and then promoted him during the summer.
by Schrute Farms on Jan 11, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
no I dont think so
I think they believe he will be ready sometime next year with a very slim chance of that happening from the get-go. They want to give young a chance to work at third for 2 months and start there 4/1 instead of being forced to move him to a new position mid-season sans preparation when Elvis is ready. I think it makes perfect sense to make the move now.
I guess his reaction is not unexpected
He obviously thinks he plays top-notch defense, so asking him to move for an AA guy would be pretty insulting.
f'n dive then you punk prissy SOB
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
P.R. Pressure
Might force them to sign Sheets. These trade demands are blessings in disguise, even with the lowered leverage(see Tex). Davis, Kinsler, Andrus, Fields sounds good.
OR, it may put pressure on Young to accept of the request.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I was thinking about that
Tell that to JD about Soriano.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
if we traded him
we would still owe the 3M / yr of his deferred money through 2013 correct?
Wait 'til the year after next
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Just when it was getting good
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
Pains me to see all the bashing of MY in the comments of news articles about this on MLBTR and other sites
deserved or not.
the preceding post was a great success.
yeah, honestly if MY played in NY
he would be a hero. The guy is clutch when a game is on the line. He comes up with some big hits. He takes a few lumps because of his poor performance last year, but he only fell 17 hits short of getting 200 hits in 6 consecutive years.
Wait 'til the year after next
I agree
Put yourself in Michael’s shoes and you’d be a little pissed too to be an All-Star Gold Glove winner and be asked to change your position for a minor leaguer, no matter how good his potential may be.
by aggierangerfan00 on Jan 11, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
Gold Glove
Regardless of how irrelevant the award may be to us, it’s still high praise from the people you work with and play against.
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
which means his value would be really high
with managers and gms right?
Wait 'til the year after next
Not quite
“managers and coaches” don’t make the decisions on trades.
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
like for instance Ozzie loves MY
do you think that would have any influence on the gm? I would think a little
Wait 'til the year after next
Yes I thnk so
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
Which makes me wonder
if what Kinsler had to say reflects the general feeling the club has about it’s farm system.
Kinsler was on 105.3 earlier.
Interesting note, they asked him about the minors and he said he doesn’t pay any attention to it. Basically, until the prospects get to the big leagues and prove themselves he’s not worried about what’s going on in the minors.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
why?
Its not his job to worry about some kid who may or may not ever see the big leagues. He needs to worry about the next game. I think his comments are on point
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
yeah
worrying about Julio Borbon’s walk rate is OUR job.
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
+1
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Jan 11, 2009 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
unless their are a few decent 2b prospects in our system
thenn he should pay attention
:see MY
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Not really. Just realistic.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
Major League ball players
Once they leave the minors, I don’t think they want to ever think about it again
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
The best part of Rosenthal's article is...
“If the White Sox acquired Young, they likely would play him at second base and follow through with their plan to move Alexei Ramirez to short.”
I think most teams that traded for Young would want him somewhere other than SS.
Hilarious for two reasons.
1) The point you made.
2) Ramirez is such a butcher at second I can’t imagine him at short.
best range of any 2b i saw last season though
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Seriously?
Just from my anecdotal analysis, I’d take a few two sackers above him. Including Kinsler.
But, anecdotal analysis is not that helpful in this regard. And it would seem, like Kinsler, he did nothing with it if he indeed had all that range.
Trade?
So what do you guys think of possible trades?
I wonder what we could work with Boston, regardless of AJM’s opinions which i dont agree with.
I really like MY so I hate to see this but it puts the team in a bad spot now
Anything to get out from under that contract
the time to be picky is not now. Strike while the iron is hot.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 11, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
what the flying f just happened here?!??
WOW!
from 24 to seeing slumdog millionaire win the golden globe to this…what a night.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
24 was awesome.
Gonna be a great season.
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I read somewhere that its suppose to be a good reason
Why he changed bad. I think its suppose to be relieved tomorrow. Still haven’t watched tonight’s episode though (on the DVR), hoping to catch it tomorrow
In Smoak We Trust
hmm
considering he hasn’t actually killed anybody, I was pretty sure he was working undercover.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
What about the people's champ
Mickey Rourke?
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 11, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
low trade value
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
If nothing else...
doesn’t this manifest the difference between Texas/NY Yankees and Jeter/Young?
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
And on an OT note
Jonah Street withdraws from the Dakar Rally. Damn!
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
I have no idea what that sentence means.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 11, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
Dakar Rally
Rally race normally held in Africa, this year in South America. Normally only corporate-sponsored guys win and almost never Americans – Jonah Street is American and has no sponsorships, and was in second overall in the motorcycle category.
Lots of things happening in my sports world tonight.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
As someone with negative interest in the Rally...
and all things motor sports, really, I still thought it was cool when all the cars drove by… basically in front of our apartment while we were walking to dinner a couple of weeks ago.
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
damnit
there goes any leverage we had with the White Sox.
I guess we were never getting Poreda but Kenny Williams is probably going to laugh his ass off if we ask for any pitcher in return.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
So say he is traded, Elvis is great in ST and gets the job, and we Sign Crede for 3b.
The IF defense is pretty nice at least.
the preceding post was a great success.
we need to trade him
maybe the rangers are just happy with someone taking the contract off their hands but I don’t see why it’s easier to trade him now then it was 5 days ago when his contract was considered an albatross
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
Fuck Michael Young!
"that’s like saying because i wear a hat it keeps aliens away, just because since i’ve worn the hat aliens have never come and anally probed me." -rentz
by coolaid on Jan 11, 2009 10:28 PM CST reply actions 9 recs
brilliant analysis.
Thank you for sharing.
by texnykazrus on Jan 11, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
You are welcome.
"that’s like saying because i wear a hat it keeps aliens away, just because since i’ve worn the hat aliens have never come and anally probed me." -rentz
Hey, you got a rec from me ;)
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
Woot.
It’s in green now. Suck it bitches.
"that’s like saying because i wear a hat it keeps aliens away, just because since i’ve worn the hat aliens have never come and anally probed me." -rentz
i rec'd too
screw him
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
I wish there was a negative rec option, a la Digg.
While he may have had questionable defense at times and even poor offensive production last year the fact is Michael Young has been a consistent producer and consumate leader for this team. I’ve got to think at first that maybe there is more to this than what has been said so far in the media. The “Fuck Michael Young!” opinion seems a bit rash and is definately uncalled for.
by macromorgan on Jan 11, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
Michael Young's Saber.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
So now...
…do you package Salty and FOTF to Boston in a mega-deal?
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
Why would boston want michael young?
Unless they trade lowell.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
Even if they trade Lowell
Shit, I’d rather move Youk to 3B and bring up Lars Anderson early.
they'd just happily accept all that salary?
do they have a salary we would take on?
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How about
Salty and Face for Daniel Bard + low level prospect?
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
Are you high?
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
sarcasm...
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
I think you guys are underrating how hard it's going t be to get out from under his horrible, horrible contract in this market.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
Yah, I'd probably want a little more, but you have to consider what a huge deal it would be to get anyone to agree to take him off our hands.
The market is so depressed right now.
His contract is ridiculous.
If Boston offered you, say, Bard + Delcarmen + Hagadone for FFace’s entire contract + Salty, what would you say?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
I'd say
How about, Buch+Hagadone+Delcarmen for half of F Face’s contract and Salt.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
They're not gonna trade us Buchholz.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
It was done tongue in cheek.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
Salty for Bard doesn't even make sense
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
Would they take on the entirety of his contract?
And would the low level prospect be a decent prospect or just a hamburger?
I’d probably ask for a little more.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Unless they're taking Young's full contact
I don’t see a point to this trade. Seems like we are selling low on both players
In Smoak We Trust
And because he would have nowhere to play there
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
What a good guy.
Yay Michael Young. Stand up to the man. Show them that over-compensated mediocrity gives you the right to make demands of your bosses when they ask you to do something you may not like.
I think that it's getting serious now
It’s made the TexasRangers.com website. The “normal” fans will have an opinion now.
by aggierangerfan00 on Jan 11, 2009 10:31 PM CST reply actions
this is really big news
if the rangers mattered, it would be ESPN big but the fact that your most beloved player is asking for a trade cannot be ignored.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
blah blah we know nobody cares about us
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
What if it had been Jeter seeking a trade?
No matter how unlikely it would be?
ESPN would be crowded with it.
The Yankees would never ask jeter to move
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
Agree
His jump throws bring 10,000 people to the park every night. Pays for the contract itself.
by Andy Seiler on Jan 11, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
If Jeter asked to be traded...
Sportscenter would be running a special by now, possibly at least 2 hours of declaring Jeter the greatest of all time by showing back to back to back jump throws to put Dirkatron in the mood…
In Smoak We Trust
Who cares?
MY isn’t Derek Jeter.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
He could handle the NY pressure?
You’re making a big assumption there.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
Yah, for all the making fun of Derek Jeter's overratedness, he actually did come up pretty huge in a couple of playoff series and had a pretty ridiculous batting peak for a SS.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
I'm talking about him overall, not his jump throws. Those are underrated as hell.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
When I was about 13 or 14 I had an SI for Kids subscription.
One issue had an entire page about Jeter’s jump throws.
Not kidding.
WHAT!?
Do you still have that issue lying around!?
Can you find the article online or something!?
Please!?!?!?!?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
I can try.
It was talking about the elite shortstops in baseball. Jeter was highlighted for the jump throw. A-Rod they said wasn’t a good fielder but was a great hitter and had a strong arm. They spooged all over Rey Ordonez and his acrobatics. And I don’t remember much about what they said about Nomar or Vizquel.
No one is Derek Jeter.
He’s the #1 Yankee of all-time. They’re just going to stop playing baseball as an organization the day he retires. They’re going to rename Yankee Stadium Jeter Field.
by Andy Seiler on Jan 11, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
the biggest thing
just say you don’t want to change positions and do it quietly. why do you have to demand a trade? publicly?
what a dick.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
we saw this coming though
reports of him not wanting to change positions surfaced during the season…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
That's because
the Rangers knew for him to be competent at 3rd base in 2009 he needed to start taking balls asap and especially during this offseason. Sounds like MY shat all over that idea.
clearly nothing has happened on Jan. 11th
that he needs to make a public statement now.
actually – he doens’t need to make a public statement ever! if he read any news, he knew that JD had shopped him to the Sox. Was he upset that we asked for Poreda?
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
He made a public statement?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
his agent
whatever. a Rosenthal article might as well be a public statement
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
Hmmm... I read it as Rosenthal getting a scoop from a "source" and then getting some react comments from JD and company.
If a player asks management for a trade, there’s only so long that can be kept on the down low, imo.
Good reporters like Robothal excel at getting information like this through back channels and sources.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
i think your assessment is correct. And thinking about it, I’m pretty sure MY is pretty upset this got leaked at all and that JD didn’t dismiss it completely.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
like agents?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
We don't know who leaked this.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
of course we do
Ed Weasel Werder.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 11, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
It would be all kinds of awesome
If Young called Werder out for this.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Young wants a trade because he
has his money and he knows these idiots will never be serious about winning. How could anybody blame him for feeling this way now?
Elvis Andrus is not ready for The Show and for Boy Blunder come up with a “We want all our championship caliber players here at the same time” is a bunch of bullshit.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 11, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
I actually thought
That this was written by AJM or something. Seriously, you’re almost to the point of parodying yourself with all these buzzwords.
by brettgardner on Jan 11, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
Indeed.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
AHHH
Isnt the retarded kid cute
im so glad we let you come out of the closet every now and then
now go hop back in
if they ask him to move, it's better he does it now
than in mid-season, when Andrus IS ready
Wait 'til the year after next
Dye+
probably for a person lesser than Poreda, is probably an admirable goal by JD.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
Dye
is probably all they are going to get. Maybe some Julian Cordero type guy
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
Theirs been talks of Bobby Jenks being on the block?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Pass on Jenks, IMO.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
Too fat.
Let’s get Rich Garces instead.
by aggierangerfan00 on Jan 11, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
CC!
Oh wait…
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jan 11, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
$11.5 million in 2009
$12 million mutual option in 2010 with a $1 million buyout.
by Andy Seiler on Jan 11, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
Coming from a big, long-time Michael Young fan, he’s lost a lot of respect and credibility in my book today. I’m sad for the team and for the result of this development. Definitely something I didn’t see coming.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
A longhorn fan WOULD say that.
Just teasing dude. I’m with ya.
by aggierangerfan00 on Jan 11, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha rec
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
Now on ESPN.com
“Our desire is for Michael to play third base,” Daniels said. “Obviously though, he’s got to buy into what we’re doing.”
“Reluctant, reluctant,” Daniels said, describing Young’s reaction. “He explained to us that he’s worked extremely hard to make himself a shortstop. Obviously in 2004, he volunteered to move from second base to shortstop. That kind of shows the team-first character that has been a stable of his personality and relay has made himself an outstanding player.”
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
they also quoted him as saying "relay" instead of "really"
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
They were no doubt
typing very quickly. Whether or not anyone obsesses about the Rangers, this is still news, and ESPN is way behind on the story.
I don't know what to think
If Young wants gone, might as well see what we can get for him, before he goes on a decline in productivity. If there is any interest from any team out there for him, you have to see what it will take.
But….is anyone nervous throwing Elvis into the fire so soon? I mean, this guy hasn’t even touched Triple AAA yet, and probably needs another season of the minors until he comes up. I just think it would be tough for him to have this pressure put on him so soon, replacing the FOTF so soon.
In Smoak We Trust
Before he goes on a decline in productivity?
Are you implying JD build some sort of time machine?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
haha +1
That being said, I agree with Smoak Some’s ideas.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Jan 11, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
Here we go
found the link
http://www.lonestarball.com/2008/5/19/520910/michael-young-speaks-on-mo
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
This is pretty crazy
and I really don’t know what to feel. Since I’ve been religiously following the Rangers, they haven’t really been in this kind of position, with a major player demanding to be traded. Obviously it happened not too long ago.
This puts the Rangers in a pretty shitty position though. It can’t be easy to get a good return for a player when other teams know the player wants off your team.
Young has been my favorite Ranger for a while now, and while the younger guys are definitely rapidly climbing my list, Young has been a big part of my Ranger fandom. Another thing to remember, is how much the younger guys look up to him as a hitter. Kinsler has spoken about how MY’s approach to batting has influenced him. Maybe we shouldn’t discredit how much he has/can help the younger guys be great hitters.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
even Arod didn't publicly demand the trade
wasn’t he named team captain before the trade?
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leverage.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
right
the thing that MY just took away from the Rangers
Are players just retarded? Do they not understand that demanding a trade makes it LESS likely they will get trade?
And if he does, then what the hell? He really thinks he’ll be able to trot out there at SS and nobody will tell him to move?
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
Adam's theory
seems the most apropos.
MY probably expected the trade to be a foregone conclusion. With little apparent movement, he wanted to make sure things were stirred.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 11, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
except there was movement! the god damn Sox trade proposal
What more did he want?
He really is a moron if he thought this was going to help the situation. i guess he thinks the rangers will be forced to accept a lesser deal. But we aren’t going ot give him away for free and we weren’t going to get a deal much better than that anyway without him shooting his mouth
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
Do you really think there was much movement
after demanding Poreda?
i guess he thinks the rangers will be forced to accept a lesser deal.
I think he is accelerating that process.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 11, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
it's a negotiation
you ask for poreda, they laugh and say you can choose from these no names. it is iterative.
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Adam
New subtitle.
“Wondering FOTF’s trade value”
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
I'm too tired right now
Pondering sounds much better
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
This is going to cause the series of tubes to explode.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
*que the pre-mentioned scheduled downtime in a couple hours*
the preceding post was a great success.
*Patiently waiting for OC to weigh in with an extreme opinion. *
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 11, 2009 10:39 PM CST reply actions
Did Michael Young smash OC's car
after his meeting with JD?
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
This.
OC will find him.
OC will kill him.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 11, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
Package Andrus and Davis in a deal for Greinke.
Satiate FOTF and get the best pitcher in the history of baseball.
by LiamP on Jan 11, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think JD has the better PR here.
MY sounds petulant. JD made the case clear. The Rangers like MY. Elvis is gonna be better. That’s just what happens when most shortstops get older.
Go Rangers!
it also helps
that JD doesn’t want MY to leave and is appealing to his sense of being a team player.
Except, Jim Reeves and Randy Galloway haven’t spoken. Let them mention the Gold Glove 5 times in an article and you’ll see who has the better argument (at least as it concerns the public).
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
I'm sure they're smashing keyboards
as we speak.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 11, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
ESPN already has a pair of choice, choice comments.
The redsox will be all over this
— rthomp21
young has been the face of the franchise and this is a slap in the face. I’m a die hard ranger fan, but to ask him to give up his spot when he is one of the best in the league is just stupid!!
—texstorm11
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
I'm still really confused why the Red Sox would want MY at all?
There isn’t a spot for him on the field.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
If the Red Sox don't have enough money to pay Tex $10 mil more
I doubt they will replace Lowrie with MY. Theo is smarter than that.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
Oh no, we lost texstorm11, our flagship fan!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Texstorm11 missed his chance
to write, “It’s a slap in the face of the face of the franchise.”
by Snark on Jan 11, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i like it
this is like a gameday thread, atleast 4-5 comments pop up every few seconds!
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Except this is complete anarchy.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
This is true
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
Tiny edit
as aresomemost of the gameday threads.
All that’s missing is a bunch of absurd .gifs.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
Yeah cause it happened every 4th game.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 11, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Where are the bees!!?
That was my favorite one
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
x
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/dsheppard/boardimages/gifs/baseball/swarm_s.gif
linked so as not to continue a bunch of image posting in a real news thread, but I can’t deny a request!
the preceding post was a great success.
It's MADNESS!
We could be hurtling towards a non-GDT record.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
sorry, but
Network Alert: Scheduled downtime at 11 PM pacific tonight
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
Then we've got some work to do.
Got two hours, by my count.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
If we get to 500
someone will pull the “Michael Young Trade Request Pt. 2” fanpost
Probably lonestarjon
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
needs more images.
note: not actually a call for images, thus why its tiny.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DShep on Jan 11, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahahaha!
Shep to the dark side, baby!
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 11, 2009 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
DIVE YOU PIECE OF CRAP!!!!
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Hmmm
I know he’s overrated at the plate, and has zero range, but I’ve always been a Young fan. Kind of sad if it ends like this.
My guess is Young eventually agrees to play third, and the media loves him even more for switching when he didn’t want to — ignoring that he demanded a trade first.
www.mavsmoneyball.com
by Wes Cox on Jan 11, 2009 10:44 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
hmm
that would certainly be an intersting outcome that nobody has thought of.
probably not the one people want
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
Is it just me
or did it seem like going to right field sort of hurt Michael last year? I think he may have been trying too hard last year to go to the opposite field. I remember when he first started putting up good numbers he wasn’t afraid to pull the ball every now and then, but last year it looked like everytime someone pitched Michael inside he just tried to inside-out it and he ended up fouling it off.
by aggierangerfan00 on Jan 11, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
great quote, wes!!!
I know he’s overrated at the plate, and has zero range, but I’ve always been a Young fan.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Honestly that's how I felt until a few hours ago.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
ive never gotten over the fact that he quit diving for the ball after he moved from 2b and got out of arb with that contract.
i loved him as a 2b but his SS play got me fried on him after 1 1/2 seasons.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
MY
As a long time Rangers fan, this saddens me very much…but as ball players continue to play the game over the years and get comfortable, after already changing positions voluntarily a few years ago, this does not shock me one bit. However, I thought that MY was a team player and simply wanted to win no matter the cost. I honestly thought this talk with management was one year away from happening, but I was mistaken, its now here. Let’s see what happens..
Can't wait to come back to this thread in the morning
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
that would be awesome if we did that before we traded young
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
Question for Evan
Did the clubhouse just get a little less douchy?
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 11, 2009 10:51 PM CST reply actions
I think it would be cool if I were a "major league source".
And, I would quit my bucu-dollar-a-year job if I was asked to no longer be a “major league source” because another younger employee was better at being a “major league source”.
Go Rangers!
Good news, AJM!
You have something for future “This Date in LSB History” segments!
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
You gotta admit
This has spiced up nicely for Adam.
I’m predicting several 400+ posts to account for this paradigm shift.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 11, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
500, minimum.
I would go 700, but I think the scheduled down time is gonna kill it.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
You think that "schedule"
is a “coincidence”?
There will be some choice thoughts on this. From a Newbergian defense to a Morrisian assault.
Believe that — Huntressatron.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 11, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
You. Just. Blew. My. Mind.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Newberg's take will be interesting to read
Max and Erica are crying themselves to sleep tonight.
"I see their [Angels] rotation as John Lackey and a bunch of decent starters." - AJM
Ugh... I'm already imagining the 37,000 word opus, complete with a 7 paragraph introduction that's a story about Max asking to have a Micheal Young shirt for his birthday or some shit.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No worries, brother.
I’ll delete you from the mailing list so you won’t be buried in all that shit.
by Jamey Newberg on Jan 11, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nah, I'll just fast forward through the soft crap and get to the baseball stuff.
Your baseball stuff is still the shiznit and my ability to scroll past the fluff is legendary.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
my ability to scroll past the fluff is legendary.
greatness.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
trade him for a catcher
You can never have too many catchers.
"I see their [Angels] rotation as John Lackey and a bunch of decent starters." - AJM
by tricer on Jan 11, 2009 10:53 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
+1
MORE CATCHERS!!! Trade for Pudge!
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
Speaking of which
Nobody seems to be interested in signing him.
Sad.
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
Totally off topic. . .
But if we can get him reasonably and another catcher is moved, I wouldn’t mind signing him. I know Cost Cutting Mode probably prevents that, but I’d love to see Pudge as a Ranger again, he’s still solid, and it would give us a dependable veteran.
All depends on what we could get him for, of course.
Michael Young and Neftali Feliz for A-Rod
Then MY volunteers to move to 3B for Jeter.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 11, 2009 10:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
So...
I’m trying to convince myself that it is not sad that I just brushed off my GF request to make happy time because my baseball wienie is going crazy.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
Is she real ugly?
One time I tried dating a real ugly chick cause she was super nice and friendly and happy all the time and super grateful to be with me, and I brushed off her requests all the time.
If she’s hot, then I’m sorry.
You suck.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
She's not bad.
Come to think of it. He isn’t getting traded tonight. I’m out.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on Jan 11, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't be a dumbass, now.
Give a face to your franchise, when given the chance.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 11, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
Wise decision. She looks... perky.
And it’s really tempting for me to use that photo as my fantasy avatar next year and give my team a lewd name.
Will I be able to resist?
Tune into next year’s draft and find out!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
That's the best.....
laugh I’ve had tonight.
Some great stuff from you tonight
Looks like all you needed was a good Young thread to bring out the best.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
So the real question in all of this is
who do I put in my commercial in MY’s time slot?
the preceding post was a great success.
John Hart?
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
Elvis Andrus?
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
which also makes me think
damn, I lose my newberg website cameo.
the preceding post was a great success.
random blacked out former rangers,
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Elvis Andrus?
Ouch
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
well, also…i guess we know why the Rangers were ‘quietly shopping’ Young during the Winter Meetings now…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
and that they actually were
and JD’s dismissal was just talk
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
???
Rangers general manager Jon Daniels and manager Ron Washington informed Young shortly after the winter meetings that the team wanted him to play third to clear a spot for top shortstop prospect Elvis Andrus, 20.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
and?
they were feeling out what kind of offers they would get for him before telling him to move, because, it was apparent they know what the answer would be…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Okay.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
well
that’s my guess of what they were doing…or trying to do…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
well
it is also possible that they weren’t shopping him and that teams were just calling them about young. once they got some offers, it could be that they decided it might be time to see if young was actually going to move.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
Why not inform him before the winter meetings?
We have already heard about Young’s disapproval of moving to third base…
or is the importance of the telling him to move before the meeting not that significant?
Wreck 'Em Tech!!
i still don't think it's true
i think elvis is in AAA at least till June
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
This is the part of the story that needs to be focused on
from MLBTR
GM Jon Daniels is expected to explore trade opportunities, but a deal seems unlikely at this point. White Sox GM Ken Williams has already said that he “would not waste time” discussing the possibility. The asking price would be far too high for most clubs. Other teams that have popped up in rumors this winter: the Twins, Mets, Angels, Dodgers, and Royals.
This is just Drew talking but he brings up a very good point: Who is going to take on that contract? Plus, he just told everybody he’s not moving positions so anybody that wanted to trade him to 2B can’t. And, he does have a no trade clause so if he thinks he’s going to have to move, he’s just going to veto. Out of the clubs listed, I don’t see one legitimate possibility.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
Kansas City?
They seem willing to give up a little cash to be competitve.
by aggierangerfan00 on Jan 11, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Why would...
Young accept a trade to KC?
Does he have no-trade?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
i think so, it may be limited though
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Shit. According to Cot's:
no-trade protection 2007-09, limited no-trade protection from 2010 to May, 2011 (submits list of 8 clubs to which he’d accept trade), before receiving 10-and-5 rights in May, 2011
Shit. This contract is officially worse than Chan Ho’s.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
I think the intial no-trade is less of a problem.
The 10-and-5 part is where he might want compensation.
by Andy Seiler on Jan 12, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
KC seems intent on stocking their entire lineup w/ replacement level veterans
MY would fit their MO this offseason.
"I see their [Angels] rotation as John Lackey and a bunch of decent starters." - AJM
updates
The updates Adam posted seem to soften MY’s tone a bit. I think he ends up agreeing to move to 3B.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
I hope so.
If not, then I, for one, have really misjudged the man’s character.
it makes more sense that he asked for a trade
and i think it’s fine to ask for a trade rather than try to make a position change late in his career
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
I think that statement would also include a large number of us.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jan 12, 2009 12:39 AM CST up reply actions
or
it could just be JD trying to reacquire a little leverage…
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Jan 11, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
The Rangers are reluctant to use Travis Metcalf at third base.
at least that makes me feel better. dude might not hit .200
I just made a new post...
…about the DMN stories, which includes Nolan Ryan quotes. Nolan talked to FOTF on Friday. Based on the fact this story is leaking now, I don’t think FOTF liked what Nolan had to say.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 11, 2009 11:08 PM CST reply actions
nolan shits bigger turds than MY before 5:30 am every day.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
I think Young just misses Teixeira and ARod.
Let’s see how badly the Rangers can get screwed in a trade with the Yankees, again. MY at 2B in a Yankee uniform and Alan Horne in a Rough Riders uni.
Teams that could benefit from MY:
Royals, Twins, Jays
Except none of them could afford him.
Go Rangers!
intentional?
i wonder if this isn’t a planned prelude to a trade. To the general fan, trading FOTF would be a terrible move (think of what Galloway would have written about Hicks if we didn’t know Young wanted to be gone). The reality is trading Young now is a good baseball move. He’s not getting better, the rangers are a young team with budget constraints. BUT, they can’t afford the PR nightmare. This really is the only way the Rangers can save face by trading they player that SHOULD be traded.
Budget constraints...
Are you implying that trading MY gives the Rangers “financial flexibility”?
Go Rangers!
explore
TR reported that MY ask the Rangers to “explore” trading him. That is different than demanding a trade. I think MY is just seeing what his options are. I am sure his agent is also calling around to see what he can conjure up. Will MY buy into what the Rangers are doing? I think he will.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
If MY's this pissed - then quit
Instead of demanding a trade, just quit, become a FA and sign a new contract with a new team (not sure if you can do this).
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
so confusing...
imagine what this would type of player power would do to baseball.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Jan 12, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
Well. . .
After reading this whole thread, most of what said has been. I have nothing to add.
It took forever to read, by the way. I started when there were about 40 comments.
I will say, this makes a lot of the things certain members have said this past year look hilarious now. . .
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