A Young trade -- what would be the implications?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 11, 2009 10:54 PM CST
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So, let us think forward on this...what would it mean if Michael Young were traded?
Depends on the return, of course...but supposedly, the Rangers would want to get a young third baseman back. Let's assume that Young gets dealt for a random third baseman who could start right now and is better than Travis Metcalf, the other team takes all of Young's contract, and any other pieces acquired, if any, are on the minor league level.
Now, you immediately drop about $14-15 million off the current payroll. That's probably enough to, right now, sign Orlando Cabrera and Ben Sheets, without shaving any other payroll off.
Now, that would cost you a 2nd and a 3rd round pick, but still...it would seem to make more sense than just sticking Elvis Andrus in the lineup right now.
I know there is a thought process that says that the Rangers want to start Andrus in the majors right now, and that's why the Rangers are talking to Young about switching positions now...but from the sound of things, it is more a matter of looking at Andrus taking over the middle of this year or in 2010. And the market for stop-gap shortstops is certainly better than the market for stop gap third basemen.
Other options, if you don't like Cabrera, or want someone easier to shunt aside at the All Star break?
Well, there's Craig Counsell, or Angel Berroa, or Alex Cintron out there. Really, there are a bunch of generic shortstops floating around who could be picked up for little.
But getting back to Cabrera...he's basically Young, except lesser bat and better defense. And he'd cost almost nothing.
Would the Rangers be better with Sheets and Cabrera right now than with Young?
If this goes down, is it possible the Rangers might be more likely to compete in 2009, rather than less likely?
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Yankees signed Berroa just recently.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 11, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oops
not meant as a reply.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 11, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
steal.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 11, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you have addressed the question of
what kind of return could MY get? I honestly have no idea. Could we package him with a lower prospect to get a quality young pitcher? If so, I would want to do that.
Further, I’d like to sign Cabrera and if we are out of it, trade him at the deadline.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 11, 2009 11:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Even if Young moves positions, these problems aren't resolved...
What happens 2 or 3 years from now when we want to move Young to 8th in the lineup to get Andrus and Borbon more at bats?
Maybe Jamey should talk some sense into him…
by cstorm15 on Jan 11, 2009 11:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How do we shave off the extra $2m-$3m?
Trading Young saves us $12m per year. Are you thinking we trade somebody else too?
by Athos on Jan 11, 2009 11:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow I just log on
and read this.
If we can get rid of Young, grab Sheets first and foremost, I’m down.
Cabrera is cool with me as well.
Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.
by Maximilian on Jan 11, 2009 11:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers are only better if Sheets ..
.. stays healthy.
by mattrpav on Jan 11, 2009 11:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sheets
The longer he is out there, the more I worry about his health.
You would think a guy that started the all star game would get more interest even with his injury history.
by kumizi on Jan 11, 2009 11:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How about this....
Trade MY. Then sign sheets. Move Kinsler to SS, Arias to second and pick up Crede. Then add a prospect with Salty and get Buchholz. We’d be better than last year for sure. Even if Sheets blows out arm.
by Spadedsnake on Jan 11, 2009 11:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That won't happen
Kinsler won’t move to SS for half a season.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 11, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then..
This is crazy but Kinsler,Salty and two picthers to Marlins for Hanley?
by Spadedsnake on Jan 11, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Worst. Trade idea. Ever.
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by ghtd36 on Jan 11, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets
Hey Lowe has been out there awhile as well maybe its just the market right now.
by Spadedsnake on Jan 11, 2009 11:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Lowe is good when we're competitive. . .
. . . I will give birth to as many of your children as you desire.
by philkid3 on Jan 12, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if the Blue Jays are interested in Young.
They probably couldn’t take on his salary, though.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 11, 2009 11:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You could Arias or Duran for have a season.
"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 11, 2009 11:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
reading this sentence aloud
made me lol
Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.
by Maximilian on Jan 11, 2009 11:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah really. I hit post to soon.
"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 11, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You could play Arias(if the arm is there) or Duran for half a season.
"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 11, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
.....
That is good stuff. but I think CJ makes more since there. Anything to keep him from pitching.
by Spadedsnake on Jan 11, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Salary
MY’s salary is going to impede our progress sooner or later. We need to get something for him if we can.
by Spadedsnake on Jan 11, 2009 11:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
there's still little certainty
that Hicks would spring for Sheets even minus the Young contract.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
by SteveP on Jan 11, 2009 11:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If a trade with the White Sox goes down you could always try to get Lillibredge (sp?) from 'em.
Of course, FFace is in all likelihood going nowhere, so this is all a moo point.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 11:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
moo point
Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.
by Maximilian on Jan 11, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
“It’s like a cow’s opinion… it’s moo”
Funny, I don’t remember seeing that episode.
by RangersOCD on Jan 11, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a Friends fan
but that was pretty good
Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.
by Maximilian on Jan 11, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our return for Young
I wouldn’t expect it to be very much.
First, while you can debate how bad his contract is, there’s no doubt it’s big, which will eliminate a good number of teams from the discussion.
Then, on top of that, he can basically pick the team he wants to play for, with his no-trade clause. So I’m suspecting that our options are limited to contending teams who he would play shortstop for (no move back to 2B), and possibly limited to certain parts of the country.
Let’s not be thinking we are trading him for another package like we got for Teixeira.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 11, 2009 11:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone who frequents this blog
Is expecting anything close to a Teixeira like return.
by hiafex on Jan 11, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or
You could wait until someone get injured in Spring Training and maybe there would be more value then.
by Spadedsnake on Jan 11, 2009 11:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
JD's comments
Get the best players on the field…
I really like Arias would like to see more of him.
by Spadedsnake on Jan 11, 2009 11:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How about SF
They are looking to spend and need a FOTF?
Blalock and MY
For
Dirty Sanchez
and prospect
by Spadedsnake on Jan 11, 2009 11:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
...
You’d be dumping all kinds of salary.
by Spadedsnake on Jan 11, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would pee blood for a month if that deal happened.
No way, though.
They just signed Renteria.
Plus, no one’s taking FFace’s salary off our hands without giving us some salary back. (A la the Jermaine Dye proposal.)
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
the Rangers would be better with Sheets and Cabrera. I’m just not sure who a trade could happen with.
"Never go with a hippie to a second location."
by jcAustin on Jan 11, 2009 11:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The fan's anger
The typically ignorant fan would throw a fit at the realistic return we could expect for Young. I’m assuming that we could get a young, mid-level 3b prospect, and would still have to pick up part of the contract. Everyone knew it at the time, and now after one season it’s obvious what a terrible financial decision it was to extend a declining Young at such a ridiculous price. Of course, there are only a few teams who would be willing to take on Young’s contract at all, and knowing this would diminish the quality of any return the Rangers might get…I doubt news of Young’s availability had the phone ringing off the hook in JD’s office.
Would the typically ignorant fan have been more angry at the Rangers letting Young’s previous contract expire (they knew Andrus was coming up fast), and simply letting him sign elsewhere for a 2-3 year deal at 7-8 million per? Probably not…sure, Galloway and friends would have complained about how the Rangers aren’t faithful to their “homegrown talent” conveniently forgetting how we trade Loiaza for Young and Cubbilan, and how Young barely had 300 ABs in the Rangers’ farm system.
Rangeressary
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by rangeressary on Jan 12, 2009 12:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Small correction to your timeline
“Would the typically ignorant fan have been more angry at the Rangers letting Young’s previous contract expire (they knew Andrus was coming up fast.”
Young’s Contract extension was signed in March’07, and the Club wqas still talking to Teixiera/Boras about an extension. Andrus wasn’t part of the Ranger’s oranization until August ’07, after Teixiera and Mahay were traded to Atlanta
by awillis111 on Jan 12, 2009 6:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice scenario.
I am OK with giving up the 2 and a 3, because we got the supplemental pick for Bradley.
So in essence we get 2 #1s. Just make sure you pick two stud pitchers and pay over slot to sign them and get them going in June!
Or how about trading Young, Metcalf, Blalock and a pitching prospect to Seatlle for Beltre and a prospect. Basically a wash in contracts, and it only REALLY costs you a AA pitcher.
Then you can add a prospect to Salty for Buchholz and try to trade Millwood or Padilla.
I think those moves could give us a shot to compete now EVEN while getting the kids going in the majors!
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
by pbpsean on Jan 12, 2009 12:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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