Michael Young quotes -- he's not happy
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 11, 2009 11:40 PM CST
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Richard Durrett with some Michael Young quotes:
"I'm not playing third base. I'm pretty adamant about my stance. I told them I wanted to be traded. The biggest misconception is that I was asked to move to third base. I was never asked. I was flat-out told. I was told I was playing third base. I felt that I had absolutely no say. I don't feel like there was any discussion or dialogue about the matter."
"At this point in my career, I didn't think it was fair to move. I reached out to teammates and former teammates and veterans to get their thoughts and everyone supported me. All I've ever done is think about the team and do what's best by them. But at the same time, when it comes to long-term commitment and respect factor, it should be a two-way street."
"I think that I've always been committed to this organization. I signed here. I wanted to stay here. I've been big on loyalty and mutual respect. But sometimes you have to worry about a message that might be sent about the organization and players. What does it say about the organization when you get to a point that no matter what you do, we'll snatch your job away no matter what happens. That's what happened."
Durrett also says Young has provided the Rangers with a list of teams he'll accept a trade to.
Given these comments, I think the Rubicon has been crossed. Michael Young will not be playing for the Rangers in 2009. He'll be traded, probably before the week is up.
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Does this mean he won't be at the awards banquet?
by mattrpav on Jan 11, 2009 11:41 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
Oh my.
That might be the best post of the night.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 11, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that should be awkward.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 11, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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by rangers85 on Jan 12, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
Young’s comments are exceptionally undiplomatic.
by Randy Richardson on Jan 11, 2009 11:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
he’s gone. Crazy.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 11, 2009 11:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
This is like the couple who is always lubby-dubby(?) in public suddenly getting divorced out of the blue. Young is the one going around in public listing all of the horrible things the other one did. Nasty
I’m bummed – I like MY. I saw him as a possible HOFer – kind of the Biggio type who gets 3000 hits over 15-20 solid years in the Texas uniform.
by JBImaknee on Jan 11, 2009 11:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Michael Young...
is about as much of a possible HOF’er as I am. He gave the Rangers a few good years and he’s built up a decent nostalgia factor as a clean cut white boy who gives good interviews, but he’s just not a good baseball player anymore. He’s below average with the bat and glove, and is one of the biggest problems on the roster. If anyone gives up real value for an expensive, declining middle infielder who can’t field or hit as well as an average major leaguer I’ll be shocked.
by slamcactus on Jan 12, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not quite as bad as you are saying...
I agree though that his recent decline has been faster than I would have anticipated. I’m mostly talking about my perception of him a few years ago. But he’s still a strong hitter for the SS position.
As for his value, remember that trade value is about perception, not about sabermetrics. He is still perceived as a very good player by most of the league. Thus he has value. Maybe not enough to offset that huge contract, but he still has some.
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he is
I didn’t say he was horrible, but he was -10 with the bat last year and -4 in the field compared to an average major leaguer. That’s a guy who should make around $7 million a year, and his price tag spikes in a huge way next season right as his value looks to nosedive. Last year he was a below average player. He’s inked for 5 more seasons at a ridiculous price. High price + low value = virtually untradeable player unless another team is incredibly stupid.
by slamcactus on Jan 12, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The expression is 'lovey-dovey'.
You can hear its proper usage in one of the greatest blues songs ever.
by oc on Jan 12, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa.
I thought $60M was a pretty big pile of respect.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 11, 2009 11:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Shit just hit the ceiling
At least there’s finally something to talk about.
by jonthefon on Jan 11, 2009 11:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not even Roger Dorn would say something like that
This is Jack Parkman territory…
by cstorm15 on Jan 11, 2009 11:44 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
zing!
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 11, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By birth or by choice...
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 12, 2009 12:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never thought this day would come...
The Rangers told a player you would play a position regardless…
and now MY is going to be traded. What happened JD? Your sucking again at being our GM! I request a new GM instead…
by rangersfan06 on Jan 11, 2009 11:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Strange this happened with MY and not Soriano.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 11, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you never thought the management would actually manage?
maybe we should just let the players pick whatever position they want to play. Works wonders in coed intramural softball, why not the pros?
by JBImaknee on Jan 11, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha….
maybe we should. I wish I could take his job away right now. I hate the way he’s done a few things!
by rangersfan06 on Jan 11, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
youre talking about mike young right?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 12, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
01/11
never forget
Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.
by Maximilian on Jan 11, 2009 11:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
my b day was yesterday, i consider this a present from god
thank you god. im a believer now.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 12, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did MY check with the teams on his list to make certain
they want him to play SS?
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 11, 2009 11:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
good point
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 11, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MY's LIST
Yankees
Red Sox
LAAAofAAA
Dodgers (they always roxors)
Tampa Bay (they roxors now)
Arizona (ill make them roxors)
Chicago (Ozzie loves me, i always liked ozzie smith. Cubs with Sori at 2b and me at SS we’ll be awesome)
Detriot (they’re rich ill buy me a championship)
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 12, 2009 12:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so
was this before or after the Newberg book release?
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Jan 11, 2009 11:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
...
Could have been before…he sure acted like he didn’t want to be there.
by rangersfan06 on Jan 11, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just to clarify...
…are you saying that he acted like he wanted to be there, or that he didn’t act like he wanted to be there?
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 11, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the clarification.
You have no idea how much I anticipate reading your thoughts tomorrow morning.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 11, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well he misspelled his name...
in my book.
J/K!!!
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Jan 12, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the way he came off...
to me…maybe it was bc I was at the end of the line.
by rangersfan06 on Jan 11, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was about an hour+ back in line
and he seemed like he was still having a great time. He was chatting it up with Zimmerman and giving Teagarden some crap and was still having fun with the fans. Its kind of funny to read all this now and see that it happened before the book signing.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 12:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it happened before the book signing.
by Jamey Newberg on Jan 12, 2009 12:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do I have my dates confused on this?
When did the Winter Meetings end?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 1:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and looks like you couldn't resist
reading the message boards :D
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 1:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think this happened once they got back from Vegas.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 7:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Kinsler’s going to be pretty pissed.
by LiamP on Jan 11, 2009 11:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jon Daniels
reminds me of the pansy Brian Urlacher in that deodorant commercial… however he will be the real Brian after this season.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Jan 11, 2009 11:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He probably backs Mike up
JD is probably in a heap of trouble with the players right now…this is bad news Rangers fans
by rangersfan06 on Jan 11, 2009 11:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking about that too
…with regard to the repercussions of this among the other players…
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Every day is a new opportunity. You can build on yesterday's success or put its failures behind and start over again. That's the way life is, with a new game every day, and that's the way baseball is." -Bob Feller
by baseballismyboyfriend on Jan 11, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What happens here...
players are upset…
by rangersfan06 on Jan 11, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The players need to grow up
This isn’t little league. Its professional baseball. If your department at work wants to move a vice president from marketing to accounting because a star marketer is coming on board, and he whines and complains, tough luck. Young is the one who values his teammates so little he wants out. JD isn’t forcing him out, he’s forcing him to 3rd.
by JBImaknee on Jan 11, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
i am inclined to think
this is the beginning of the end for JD. Shit. This is just bizarre.
by clark on Jan 12, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
It’s obvious to me that Daniels wouldn’t do something of this magnitude without mentioning it to Hicks and Ryan. This kind of thing definitely gets talked about among all the front office’s top people for a while before being enacted. This isn’t Daniels just going out on a limb by himself with an idea no one else in the office has discussed with him.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Young called Greg Ellis to ask his opinion
by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
lol
Greg is such a crybaby.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So, let's say management decides MY is the championship player and Elvis must go.
Is it even possible to do that at this point?
Just to think through AJM’s thought that MY will be gone within a week. The only alternative is to trade Elvis. Management’s authority would be compromised if they backpedaled and moved Andrus. I think AJM is right. The lines are clearly drawn.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 11, 2009 11:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How about just forcing MY to play 3rd?
Soriano style. He’ll get over it when he realizes he’s making 15 million a year.
by Schrute Farms on Jan 11, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But now JD
has an excuse to try to trade that nasty contract.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 11, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see it now...
MY gets traded for a Twinkie. The Rangers sign Sheets. He goes on the DL after his first start. Andrus pulls a Blalock and is in OKC before May 1st. Everybody calls for JD to be fired.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 11, 2009 11:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Rich talks to JD:
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/thoughts-from-gm-jon-daniels.html
"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 11, 2009 11:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Another choke..
MY won’t move…I just dont see it happening
by rangersfan06 on Jan 11, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another choke?
What does that mean?
by Brett Perryman on Jan 12, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
i think you’re new so i’ll try to be nice.
stop talking.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
as things go around here, that was pretty nice, though you did tell him to stop talking rather than ask him to stop talking…
by Goyogringo on Jan 12, 2009 8:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's the best case return?
Is Dye even an option now that all leverage is gone? Maybe he is just from the standpoint of making the salaries work.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 11, 2009 11:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have retracted all the credit I gave him for playing through the injury.
Needs about 300% more tact.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 11, 2009 11:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i still don't understand why a trade happens
the only way a trade happens is if we take on MY’s salary. Why would Hicks allow that? Who is going to take the entirety of MY’s contract?
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 11, 2009 11:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It helps that we've already taken on almost $20 mil
If the contract is indeed down to 5/62 left, that’s atleast closer to market than the original extension.
by cstorm15 on Jan 11, 2009 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine that someone is ready to take on such a huge commitment for MY
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 11, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This actually helps his trade value I think
Trading him before looked weird – why would the team dump their FOTF who won a gold glove and is a perennial all-star? Not everyone is as stat-centric as the Red Sox or A’s. But if Texas was selling their centerpiece, maybe they would begin to ask questions
Now, teams will look at him as a guy who has to be traded. Teams may be thinking – hey, the opportunity is here to get a franchise SS!
by JBImaknee on Jan 11, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's still such a strange situation.
I can see how MY could be mad if Daniels and Washington (and Nolan, I guess) told him that they need him to move to third base.
But at the same time, it’s not like he couldn’t have foreseen this coming. There’s been discussion of this for a long, long time. This isn’t some new thing that’s sprung up in the past week.
It sort of seems to me, through reading these quotes, that he’s trying to take up the victim standpoint. “Big bad management is bossing me around, and I’m sick of it” type stuff. I trust that Young is being heavily coached by Dan Lozano right now.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 11, 2009 11:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fuck Michael Young.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 11, 2009 11:55 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
So how come JD suddenly
has the balls to tell MYoung that he is moving to 3B but when it came to telling Soriano he was moving to the OF, he pissed his pants?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 11, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably because:
1. The manager was not on board with Soriano going to LF, and
2. Soriano only had a year left, and he preferred dealing him and getting some in return rather than moving him to LF.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 11, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And
JD was, at that time, only in his first few months as GM. I’m sure experience plays a role here.
-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Every day is a new opportunity. You can build on yesterday's success or put its failures behind and start over again. That's the way life is, with a new game every day, and that's the way baseball is." -Bob Feller
by baseballismyboyfriend on Jan 12, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if JD couldn't tell the manager that Soriano
was going to LF because it would piss off the manager…why the fuck is he the GM!?!?
Do that crap with Billy Beane and he’ll run your ass out of town.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, stop.
Please.
Thank you.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
it’s not possible for people to learn from their past mistakes. They never change. Ever.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 11, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow.
You really just can’t help it, I guess. It doesn’t even annoy me—I’m in awe of it, actually.
by brettgardner on Jan 11, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stole the words from my mouth.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it really is amazing
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because Nolan has his back.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 11, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bastard.
Stole my line.
"that’s like saying because i wear a hat it keeps aliens away, just because since i’ve worn the hat aliens have never come and anally probed me." -rentz
by coolaid on Jan 11, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a tribute, brosephine.
Something about the most sincere form of flattery…
;)
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do any ranger stars
leave on good terms? geesh.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
by SteveP on Jan 11, 2009 11:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm very disappointed.
Betrayal is the only term I can think of to describe this whole mess. If Young thinks he’s on the high ground in all of this, then he’s delusional. Those comments are about has wrong as they can be.
by Athos on Jan 11, 2009 11:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How come we don't move Young back to 2B
a position that he played exceedingly well in the past and would not need to re-learn and then we could shift Kinsler to the OF?
Jeez, Kinsler doesn’t really have a choice in the matter either because he’s signed long-term as well.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because Young wouldn't be a good defensive 2B right now, either?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Young would be a better 2B than Kinsler presently is.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wrong
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
5th time isn't the charm :(
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I called you smart...
Would you disagree with me?
by slimshadty12 on Jan 12, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Young wasn't a very good 2B
in his last year at the position.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2009 5:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's my feeling too
Maybe there was a problem with how he was approached (but I can’t see how it was out of the blue, since there has been at least some widespread local discussion of this happening for the last year or so, and Andrus is pretty highly regarded). But Young isn’t helping his “high ground” by acting like this.
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I loved the quotes from scouts
in the Rosenthal piece that said he can’t go to his left. If he can’t go to his left, why the hell do you put him at third?
Just keep your mask on and umpire the game! - Tom Grieve, 5/25/08
by EssBee on Jan 11, 2009 11:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Because
Going to your left at SS and going to your left at 3B are two completely different things. Going to your left at SS means going deep into the hole to get grounders. Going to your left at 3B is diving toward the line on a line drive. There isn’t a lot of lateral movement at 3B as opposed to SS
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 12, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
argh
I hate it when I do that.
Ok well at SS involves going up the middle which is a good distance. Even if the 2B comes to help you have to move a long way. At 3B moving to the real left is only a couple steps because the SS is expected to cover their right which is the hole. 3B needs far less lateral movement than a SS.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 12, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm disappointed
In Young (I thought he’d move to benefit his career, evidently not). No one has hyped him (read that tried to offer positive support) more than I. It’ feels like a gut punch, or a Jekyll-Hyde transformation. But if a trade is inevitable, do it now – the sooner the better. And leverage the hell out of it. I know, now this is public, the return can’t possibly be as good as you’d want. Geeezzz, I day a day away and come back to this.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Jan 11, 2009 11:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why the hell make him learn a new position
at age 32? Move him back to 2B if you’re going to pull this shit.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Because no other good, but aging, players have to move to less demanding defensive positions as they age.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So Adam
if you really feel that JD “has this thing going in the right direction” or whatever the hell it is you said, how do you excuse him for recommending the Rangers sign Young to this contract?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would...
Young agree to move to 2nd and not 3rd? You’re being stupid.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
by benmor78 on Jan 12, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you know that it's never actually been conclusively proven that Cal Ripken moved to 3b later on in his career? There's a pretty large segment of baeball experts who believe it was all an elaborate mirage.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
What makes you think he'd be interested in doing that?
I think he made it clear he wants to play SS and nothing else.
Nevermind the fact that we have a glut of OF types and an all-star at 2B already.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2b is still the middle infield
a place where range matters.
range is not MY’s forte at this stage…
at 3b he’s required to make one maybe to steps to either direction, something he is capable of doing.
Freddie King rules faces.
by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
abo3, Ripken played 3B
quite a bit in his first two years in The Show and wasn’t asked to learn a new position later in his career, shit-for-brains.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
new position
so that’s your main beef, huh.
how about ernie banks?
dumbass
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Craig Biggio
moved from 2B to CF, which arguably is the most difficult position to play in the OF, at the age of 37 and acquitted himself quite nicely.
"I lost my virginity but I still have the box it came in."
- Unknown
by Rangerchick on Jan 12, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was that a reply to me?
New position at age 32? Because there is precedent for it, including Ripken and I can’t name all of them off the top of my head. And as Adam has repeatedly pointed out, his tool skills would work OK or better than OK at 3b. I wonder if there is any chance he’ll recant, apologize, and back away from the trade request. Oh well … I’ve misjudged his tenacity to succeed with this team, I guess.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Jan 12, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ripken played 3B when he first came up, Ed.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have to apologize.
Just take the field at 3B and play hard. I’d be happy with that.
I’d expect him to be really mad in this situation. But, I’d also expect him to be more level-headed about it. Then again, he asked the opinion of other players, which seems like a level-headed thing to do, except that they are other players and you would expect them to disagree with management. So, it’s not like he looked for an objective opinion.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Decent point
There are players with whom the MLBPA is godly, and with management it’s them and us.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Jan 12, 2009 12:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see any team
wanting any part of Young’s contract so if we really want to get rid of him then we will have to eat a lot of the salary.
"that’s like saying because i wear a hat it keeps aliens away, just because since i’ve worn the hat aliens have never come and anally probed me." -rentz
by coolaid on Jan 12, 2009 12:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I really need to go to bed
but I don’t want to wake up to 1000 more comments I’ll have to Z thru.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 12:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
But I care about what you all have to say.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stay up until 1am CST
SBN’s undergoing maintenance then, so there’s kind of an endgame in sight.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank god.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1000 MY hate posts
yeah, you don’t want to miss that.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
by SteveP on Jan 12, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto
would we want any Scott Rolen action?
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Now THERE'S a guy I want no part of.
He has been a completely different, terrible player since shoulder surgery.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rolen...
Scott Rolen: 3.2 WAR in 2008
Michael Young: 1.7 WAR in 2008.
Rolen’s a much better player who will cost less next year and is only inked through 2010. He’s 2 years older than Young, but there’s no question at all who I’d rather have on my team. Rolen isn’t a star anymore, but he’s still a legitimately good player capable of earning his contract. Young is a role player making All Star money.
by slamcactus on Jan 12, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
only 2 years older...
than Michael Young and still above average with the glove and bat.
He wouldn’t be my first target, but Scott Rolen is still a good player and is a great bet to earn his contract next year.
If you think Scott Rolen is washed up you’re underrating defense and on-base ability and overrating home runs.
by slamcactus on Jan 12, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what happened to going young and staying with your farm?
i hate free agent signings over 30 years old!
by rangersfan06 on Jan 12, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You probably need to add a caveat to that.
Something, maybe, like “I hate long-term free agent signings over 30 years old.”
And even then, that’s an awful broad brush.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The world happened, dude.
Time to get the with the fucking program. Why don’t you hop on board and come on in for the big win?
by brettgardner on Jan 12, 2009 12:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so there are movies made after 1970 that you like?
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't expect dogpiling from you.
I’ll be crying myself to sleep tonight.
by brettgardner on Jan 12, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Texas...
doesn’t have a 3B anywhere near contributing to the major league roster. A guy who wouldn’t block anyone and doesn’t require more than a 2-year commitment isn’t inconsistent with a rebuilding squad. He’s also a trade target who likely wouldn’t be that expensive, not a free agent signing.
by slamcactus on Jan 12, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i might have missed something a long while back but
why can’t we stick blalock or davis their for now, davis wasn’t terrible when he played their for a short while last year. Im just saying is all
G4L
by No More Gingercide on Jan 12, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Davis actually was pretty terrible there.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 3:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If MY is traded...
I want a 3B and Major League ready pitcher in return…Texas will probably eat 7-10 mil of his salary.
by rangersfan06 on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Keep dreaming.
"that’s like saying because i wear a hat it keeps aliens away, just because since i’ve worn the hat aliens have never come and anally probed me." -rentz
by coolaid on Jan 12, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great player, he's worth at least a pitcher.
…sign a 3B
by rangersfan06 on Jan 12, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great player, he’s worth at least a pitcher.
Not with that contract.
"that’s like saying because i wear a hat it keeps aliens away, just because since i’ve worn the hat aliens have never come and anally probed me." -rentz
by coolaid on Jan 12, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Easier said then done.
"that’s like saying because i wear a hat it keeps aliens away, just because since i’ve worn the hat aliens have never come and anally probed me." -rentz
by coolaid on Jan 12, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
It’s hard to convince a team to take an expensive shortstop who can’t play the position well and refuses to move anywhere else on the diamond. MY may return a grade B prospect if the Rangers eat more than half of his salary. He’s just not valuable on the trade market.
by slamcactus on Jan 12, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Young moved to 3b
He’d never make an all star game again. At shortstop in the AL, he has a shot.
by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 12:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oooh...
that is more important than championships. Sorry JD, you forgot the all-star games.
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How many MVP votes does he have?
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 12, 2009 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He finished 8th, 11th, and 30th
from 04-06… zero 1st place votes though.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 12:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So he sucks.
Got it.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 12, 2009 12:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which... Isn't Eckstein still available?
He’d look oh so good manning the shit out of the hot corner in Ranger blue and white and red.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 3:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Elvus Andrus
now he’s going to have the DVDesque pressure on him to do well…and quick.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 12:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
So if Young is shipped off
Do i still refer to him as the Face?
G4L
by No More Gingercide on Jan 12, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Call him a different F-Face.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Wow.
I hadn’t thought of that. It’s kind of like when a girl tells you that she turned down the opportunity to go out with friends to let you take her out on a date…that better be a goddamn good date.
The bar’s been raised.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fortunately for him
all he has to do is hit for average. no OBP, no power, whatever.. his .285 with rangey defense and he can get by.
of course, he might come in and hit .225..
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 12, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Andrus
I especially hope they keep him in AAA all season now. He doesn’t need to get killed by the media trying to replace Young as a 20-year old.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 12, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Andrus isn't good enough
to handle the position in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wrong again dumbass
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You really just don't stop, do you?
Do you have an “off” button?
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So
we just sign a 1-year stopgap FA like Juan Uribe and let Andrus start the year in OKC to hone his stuff.
"I lost my virginity but I still have the box it came in."
- Unknown
by Rangerchick on Jan 12, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's good
2 out of 3 have turned out great.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
56 minutes
till the blackout of chaos.
or everyone just goes to sleep.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 12, 2009 12:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
screw sleep!
I have nothing to do tomorrow
by rangersfan06 on Jan 12, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Piece of shit
5:08pm here in Sydney. I’ve got hours to dwell on all this.
by jonthefon on Jan 12, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I get my wisdom teeth taken out tomorrow.
Really looking forward to them knocking me out.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on Jan 12, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on pussy.
You can take it awake.
by brettgardner on Jan 12, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sleep!
That’s where I’m a Viking!
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
In a strange, bittersweet moment like this...
…I needed some Ralph Wiggum.
Rec’d.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Ralph.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Will you open my milk
mommy!
Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.
by Maximilian on Jan 12, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahah.
I love sleeping,…I’ll do it for awhile once I do go to bed. but I’m still clicking!
by rangersfan06 on Jan 12, 2009 12:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
ultimatum to move to 3rd
Who’s lying, MY or Nolan Ryan?
by SanDiegoKev on Jan 12, 2009 12:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you a hint.
It ain’t Nolan.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noway it was Nolan
Nolan reminds me of Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino, just tells you/us like it is
G4L
by No More Gingercide on Jan 12, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How dare you?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most of the people in here
also don’t like to be told the way that it is.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what way is it?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Jesus, don't do that.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It would've happened on its own.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that ...
Wait a minute …
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 12, 2009 12:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you figure it out
There’s a tiny giggle in it for you.
by brettgardner on Jan 12, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Hornsby anyone?
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Diggler,
The truth.
This is all about Young’s contract, the Rangers wanting to get out from under it and has nothing to do with JD wanting “to get all our championship caliber players together.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you have all the inside info
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 7:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see Nolan
talking out of a clinched mouth, telling Michael “Deserve’s got nothing to do with it.”
Mass X Acceleration = Force
by SteveP on Jan 12, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GET OFF MY LAWN!
Damn kids.
Stars in a Texas Night Sky, a Dallas Stars blog from a fan's perspective.
by rangers85 on Jan 12, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then they have no choice
They have to trade him, he’s calling Ryan a lier.
by SanDiegoKev on Jan 12, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JD
thinks they can talk him into this…YEA right. I sure would like to see him stay. But I bet he’s gone..
by rangersfan06 on Jan 12, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think as with all things it is spin on both sides
The Rangers probably told Young that sometime in the next 2 years they may decide to make Andrus their starting SS. So they gave him the team-preferred option of learning 3b now, when the team a> wasn’t as competitive, so they could accept a learning curve, b> could get a stop-gap SS easier than a stop-gap 3b, and c> allow for him to be the one who made the decision, as opposed to him being forced out by a rookie.
Young read that as “Move now, or move later, but either way you are moving”
Nolan spins that as “You have a choice this year, and we won’t force you either way”
Both right.
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never thought i would ever say this but
i think as of now i like TO more than Michael Young, are these the feelings i should be having?
G4L
by No More Gingercide on Jan 12, 2009 12:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nobody knows how to feel right now.
It’s like Jesus came down from heaven and shot Santa Claus.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 7 recs
BINGO!
Stars in a Texas Night Sky, a Dallas Stars blog from a fan's perspective.
by rangers85 on Jan 12, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is quite possibly the weirdest statement I have ever read...
…but it kind of make sense in a “crazy like a fox” sort of way.
Reading another 500 pro-trade comments should make me feel better…so get to work LSB!
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ridiculous.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
by SteveP on Jan 12, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing how everyone comes out of the woodwork at times like this.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just goes to show
how many never really disappear.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 12, 2009 12:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I need to make sure I
get home by 6:00pm tomorrow. I am sure this will be hte lead story on Hot Stove.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 12, 2009 12:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Come on everyone, take your Young anger here...
Did a quick google search for “Michael Young Sucks” and came across this board…
http://www.talk-sports.net/mlb/sucks.aspx/Michael_Young
Stars in a Texas Night Sky, a Dallas Stars blog from a fan's perspective.
by rangers85 on Jan 12, 2009 12:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if the cowboys still get more ticket discussion than the rangers tomorrow.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 12, 2009 12:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
No
I think it’ll be 50/50 Playoffs and this. I’ll probably tune into Ben and Skin since they promised more Ranger coverage. See if that’s true tomorrow…
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on Jan 12, 2009 12:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ive never bothered
when are they on? whats the station again?
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 12, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
105.3 the Fan
"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to make my best attempt to tune in tomorrow...
if they are going to talk Rangers, they sure as hell better dedicate most of the show to them. What time does their show start? 3pm?
Stars in a Texas Night Sky, a Dallas Stars blog from a fan's perspective.
by rangers85 on Jan 12, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2:00pm
"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It'll get one segment, maybe two
on each of the shows.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 12, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I may have missed it, but I haven't seen these quotes yet
“Obviously when Elvis came into the system, there had been speculation at some point in time that the request would come down. It was one of those situations that you didn’t know the time frame on it because it depended on Elivs’ development. It’s unfortuatne the timing is as it is this year with Michael coming off an outstanding season where he won a Gold Glove and was an All-Star. We feel with Elvis’ talents and Michael’s ability that it made sense to move Michael to third to try to put the best team on the field possible.”
“What you have to do is take everything into consideration and look at the entire picture and come to a solution that you think makes the most sense and in the best interest of the ballclub. I can’t say I know what that is and where that’s going to lead. It’s going to have to be talked about more with Michael and find out what his comfort level is and he’s had more time to think about it. See where he is in his mind and his heart. For us to think about other options if there are other positions for the club. From my perspective, it’s too premature for me to make a prediction as to how this is going to play out.”
by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, let's take a step back.
What is the best-case scenario for this MY situation?
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
MY moves to third after JD informs him he can't be traded for what the club needs.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
If that can be worked out without too many scars
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Jan 12, 2009 12:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not going to be
“worked out.”
Michael Young’s ship has come in and he’s about to leave Baseball Siberia.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are the worst.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 3:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a trade
and a pitcher in return. I’d be set
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh
you meant what’s the best most likely scenario?
what rooster said
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Young will ultimately yield to the will of the FO, he has been here his whole life, has had a kid here and has already had the expierence of a position move. I hope he comes to his senses
G4L
by No More Gingercide on Jan 12, 2009 12:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why does every trade require a pitcher in return?
I just ask for the strongest possible return, pitcher or not I don’t care. If it is a good deal, its a good deal.
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that JD doesn't back down
MY doesn’t have all that much leverage, afterall.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
by SteveP on Jan 12, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade demands ..
.. can’t be better than a 50/50 proposition for the player. By making his demand public, he’s lowering his value and making it more difficult for the team to get adequate value.
by mattrpav on Jan 12, 2009 12:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But at the same time
the team doesn’t want a player that has requested a trade.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 12, 2009 12:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its a guaranteed contract
The player has to play and not do anything too detrimental, or he risks his contract being voided. Not to mention any performance based incentives. Young doesn’t really have any in this situation— it seems that there isn’t any position-specific language in his contract, so its move or don’t get paid.
by mattrpav on Jan 12, 2009 12:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best case...
Young doesn’t go on a killing spree through the clubhouse.
Worst case…
Killing spree happens and Young gets everyone, but somehow Jamey Wright survives and pitches all 162 games for us next year logging over 1000 innings.
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by rangers85 on Jan 12, 2009 12:29 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
MY goes to Anaheim...
…for Brandon Wood.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2009 12:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this serious?
Do you like it?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 12:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I make that deal in a heartbeat
I’d hate to see Young in Anaheim, but Young for Wood is just too good a deal to pass up.
Seems like that would never happen, but Arte Moreno is kind of crazy – who knows…
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's Sickels' assessment of Brandon Wood:
1) Brandon Wood, 3B, Grade B+
.288/.355/.573 with 21 homers for Triple-A Salt Lake, .125/.164/.188 in the majors. At this point I think he needs a change of scenery. Keep in mind he is still just 23.
AJM and Sickels appear to be on the same track.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 12:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would be good timing to get Wood cheap
He was dismissed from his Dominican Winter League team after hitting .167 in 13 games.
by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How's his defense? Anyone?
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be nice to have a division rival with the overpaid trio of MY, GMJ, and Hunter.
Maybe that would prevent them from extending Lackey, and Jamey’s prediction that Lackey will be a Ranger will come true.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 12:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
would that be
addition by subtraction for us?
G4L
by No More Gingercide on Jan 12, 2009 12:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What
could Young give them that the much younger and cheaper Aybar couldn’t?
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by Rangerchick on Jan 12, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if you believe jeff wilson
then that overrated intangible … heart
G4L
by No More Gingercide on Jan 12, 2009 12:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the point of trading young is to free up SS
why would we acquire a SS?
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 12, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Any idea how his defense is?
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-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His range was always lacking at SS, but he was always reported to have great tools for 3rd (strong arm, soft hands) if he ever got moved.
I haven’t read any reports on him now that he’s actually moved, though.
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by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 3:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait... would they take his entire contract?
Cause, damn… I’d be all over that.
Throw Wood at 3rd, sign O-Cab to a one year deal to play SS, then go after Sheets.
And… Wow.
I just jizzed sweet creamy-white little puddles of hope all over my baseball pants.
And these things are dry-clean only.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 3:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, this from TR on the topic of waiting a year:
There was still some consideration about giving Andrus one more season at Triple-A before asking Young to make the move. But the Rangers feel he’s close to being ready and don’t have any other any alternatives at third base. It’s a weak free-agent market at that position and the Rangers are clearly reluctant to go with Travis Metcalf.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 12:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I am curious as to what teams are on MY's list
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-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Trying to sort this out...
- Rangers are convinced Metcalf cannot play 3rd as a regular
- Want MY to move now cuz they think Andrus ready, if not out of ST, soon.
- MY demands trade, but his contract and range at SS are going to make that very, very difficult.
- Maybe the Rangers are trying to force MY now so they know what to do with Davis? If they think Andrus is close, they must feel similar about Smoak, right?
- Trying to free up money for Sheets?
- Do they have a trade on the table in the event MY won’t move?
- MY’s not in the best of positions here – too much money, suspect range at short and doesn’t have enough power for a typical 3B.
Thoughts?
by stltxfan on Jan 12, 2009 12:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't understand this one
- Maybe the Rangers are trying to force MY now so they know what to do with Davis? If they think Andrus is close, they must feel similar about Smoak, right?
regarding the point about a trade on the table – its kind of weird that this exploded like this. Makes me think that there isn’t anything happening, and either 1> the Rangers want Young to open up his list of acceptable trade destinations or 2> Young wants to force a move.
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The CD/Smoak thing should be interesting in 2010/11
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Expand that
CD/Smoak/Salty/Ramirez thing
Assuming no trades.
by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 12:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well part of that might be figured out before 2010.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but you said assuming no trades so yeah
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm more worried about our rotation
when we have 7 20 game winners in Feliz, Holland, Hurley, Harrison, Perez, Beavan, and Main. Oh no…
Justin Smoak hasn’t really played professional baseball yet. Lets give him a while before we start scheduling a conflict with Davis…
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Smoak considered to
be one of our “championship caliber players” as well?
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by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Abso freakin lutely
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe I'm missing something
but everything I’ve read about Smoak is he should be ready by ‘10. he and crash both play 1st, so that makes 1 of them trade bait, unless MY won’t move. In which case they keep both.
by stltxfan on Jan 12, 2009 12:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t Davis say JD told him to bring his 3b glove to ST?
by qaldyar on Jan 12, 2009 12:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
yep
If we have a true defensive SS in place maybe they would be more willing to take the hit at 3b for a while to see if Davis can improve to the point that he and smoak at the corners are an option.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 12, 2009 12:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ladies and gentlemen, it's been fun.
I’m now going to go to sleep and try to make sense of the world I live in.
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by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Hornsby...
where’s my giggle?
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're supposed to giggle.
I could get a hell of a look at a butcher…no wait, it’s gotta be your bull…
by brettgardner on Jan 12, 2009 12:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha there's ur giggle
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You'll have a nightmare about MY holding the World Series trophy,
any you can’t see the uniform, but your brain knows it isn’t Texas…
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Time travel is fun!
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
it was fun guys, but I’ll call this whole thing a night now. See you all in the morning.
by jonthefon on Jan 12, 2009 12:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Haha
“Lone Star Ball- A Community In Crisis.”
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on Jan 12, 2009 12:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Epic coolness.
Great, I just managed to combine two superlatives rather poorly.
by jonthefon on Jan 12, 2009 12:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At the very least....
…a very tired community in about 8 hours.
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2009 12:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Geez
I guess I missed the first major happening of the offseason this afternoon.
I haven’t read the thread yet, but let me just share my initial reaction to the above:
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 12, 2009 12:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
8.99 for the lobster?
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 12, 2009 7:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
$16 Million for what?!
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 7:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Believe it or not
All of this occurred after 10 pm.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 12, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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