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Michael Young quotes -- he's not happy

Richard Durrett with some Michael Young quotes:

"I'm not playing third base. I'm pretty adamant about my stance. I told them I wanted to be traded. The biggest misconception is that I was asked to move to third base. I was never asked. I was flat-out told. I was told I was playing third base. I felt that I had absolutely no say. I don't feel like there was any discussion or dialogue about the matter."

"At this point in my career, I didn't think it was fair to move. I reached out to teammates and former teammates and veterans to get their thoughts and everyone supported me. All I've ever done is think about the team and do what's best by them. But at the same time, when it comes to long-term commitment and respect factor, it should be a two-way street."

"I think that I've always been committed to this organization. I signed here. I wanted to stay here. I've been big on loyalty and mutual respect. But sometimes you have to worry about a message that might be sent about the organization and players. What does it say about the organization when you get to a point that no matter what you do, we'll snatch your job away no matter what happens. That's what happened."

Durrett also says Young has provided the Rangers with a list of teams he'll accept a trade to.

Given these comments, I think the Rubicon has been crossed.  Michael Young will not be playing for the Rangers in 2009.  He'll be traded, probably before the week is up.

 

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Oh my.

That might be the best post of the night.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 11, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

that should be awkward.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Jan 11, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

rec

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by rangers85 on Jan 12, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

wow

Young’s comments are exceptionally undiplomatic.

by Randy Richardson on Jan 11, 2009 11:43 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah

he’s gone. Crazy.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 11, 2009 11:43 PM CST reply actions  

Wow

This is like the couple who is always lubby-dubby(?) in public suddenly getting divorced out of the blue. Young is the one going around in public listing all of the horrible things the other one did. Nasty

I’m bummed – I like MY. I saw him as a possible HOFer – kind of the Biggio type who gets 3000 hits over 15-20 solid years in the Texas uniform.

by JBImaknee on Jan 11, 2009 11:44 PM CST reply actions  

Michael Young...

is about as much of a possible HOF’er as I am. He gave the Rangers a few good years and he’s built up a decent nostalgia factor as a clean cut white boy who gives good interviews, but he’s just not a good baseball player anymore. He’s below average with the bat and glove, and is one of the biggest problems on the roster. If anyone gives up real value for an expensive, declining middle infielder who can’t field or hit as well as an average major leaguer I’ll be shocked.

by slamcactus on Jan 12, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

He's not quite as bad as you are saying...

I agree though that his recent decline has been faster than I would have anticipated. I’m mostly talking about my perception of him a few years ago. But he’s still a strong hitter for the SS position.

As for his value, remember that trade value is about perception, not about sabermetrics. He is still perceived as a very good player by most of the league. Thus he has value. Maybe not enough to offset that huge contract, but he still has some.

by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes he is

I didn’t say he was horrible, but he was -10 with the bat last year and -4 in the field compared to an average major leaguer. That’s a guy who should make around $7 million a year, and his price tag spikes in a huge way next season right as his value looks to nosedive. Last year he was a below average player. He’s inked for 5 more seasons at a ridiculous price. High price + low value = virtually untradeable player unless another team is incredibly stupid.

by slamcactus on Jan 12, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Shit just hit the ceiling

At least there’s finally something to talk about.

by jonthefon on Jan 11, 2009 11:44 PM CST reply actions  

zing!

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 11, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions  

By birth or by choice...

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Jan 12, 2009 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

exactly!

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I never thought this day would come...

The Rangers told a player you would play a position regardless…

and now MY is going to be traded. What happened JD? Your sucking again at being our GM! I request a new GM instead…

by rangersfan06 on Jan 11, 2009 11:44 PM CST reply actions  

you never thought the management would actually manage?

maybe we should just let the players pick whatever position they want to play. Works wonders in coed intramural softball, why not the pros?

by JBImaknee on Jan 11, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahaha….

maybe we should. I wish I could take his job away right now. I hate the way he’s done a few things!

by rangersfan06 on Jan 11, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

youre talking about mike young right?

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Jan 12, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions  

01/11

never forget

Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.

by Maximilian on Jan 11, 2009 11:45 PM CST reply actions  

lol

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 11, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

kudos

That’s very funny.

 I can’t believe all the sh** hitting the fan tonight about this. This is alot further along than any of us knew.

by stltxfan on Jan 11, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

my b day was yesterday, i consider this a present from god

thank you god. im a believer now.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Jan 12, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

good point

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 11, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

MY's LIST

Yankees
Red Sox
LAAAofAAA
Dodgers (they always roxors)
Tampa Bay (they roxors now)
Arizona (ill make them roxors)
Chicago (Ozzie loves me, i always liked ozzie smith. Cubs with Sori at 2b and me at SS we’ll be awesome)
Detriot (they’re rich ill buy me a championship)

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Jan 12, 2009 12:45 AM CST up reply actions  

so

was this before or after the Newberg book release?

Bobby Jindal '12

by dstar442005 on Jan 11, 2009 11:45 PM CST reply actions  

...

Could have been before…he sure acted like he didn’t want to be there.

by rangersfan06 on Jan 11, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Just to clarify...

…are you saying that he acted like he wanted to be there, or that he didn’t act like he wanted to be there?

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 11, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the clarification.

You have no idea how much I anticipate reading your thoughts tomorrow morning.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 11, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

well he misspelled his name...

in my book.

J/K!!!

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Jan 12, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions  

That's the way he came off...

to me…maybe it was bc I was at the end of the line.

by rangersfan06 on Jan 11, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I was about an hour+ back in line

and he seemed like he was still having a great time. He was chatting it up with Zimmerman and giving Teagarden some crap and was still having fun with the fans. Its kind of funny to read all this now and see that it happened before the book signing.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 12:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Do I have my dates confused on this?

When did the Winter Meetings end?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 1:00 AM CST up reply actions  

and looks like you couldn't resist

reading the message boards :D

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 1:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

I think this happened once they got back from Vegas.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 7:23 AM CST up reply actions  

He acts like he took a hometown discount.

What a jerk. Fans should be genuinely insulted by his comments. Their money was spent so that he would remain a Ranger. He made it clear that he was not going to take a discount to do so. Now he’s throwing it back in our faces, this after getting the big bonuses from the signing of the contract that bring it down to about 5/62.

Michael Young has just shown his true colors. I may not have liked the contract, but I still liked the guy and respected him. Now I just see him as another tool in a baseball uniform.

by Andy Seiler on Jan 11, 2009 11:45 PM CST reply actions  

Well...

Kinsler’s going to be pretty pissed.

by LiamP on Jan 11, 2009 11:48 PM CST reply actions  

why?

they gonna ask him to move to 3b? heh

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Jan 12, 2009 12:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Jon Daniels

reminds me of the pansy Brian Urlacher in that deodorant commercial… however he will be the real Brian after this season.

Bobby Jindal '12

by dstar442005 on Jan 11, 2009 11:48 PM CST reply actions  

He probably backs Mike up

JD is probably in a heap of trouble with the players right now…this is bad news Rangers fans

by rangersfan06 on Jan 11, 2009 11:49 PM CST reply actions  

I was thinking about that too

…with regard to the repercussions of this among the other players…

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Every day is a new opportunity. You can build on yesterday's success or put its failures behind and start over again. That's the way life is, with a new game every day, and that's the way baseball is." -Bob Feller

by The Best Micah on Jan 11, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions  

rec

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Jan 12, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

i am inclined to think

this is the beginning of the end for JD. Shit. This is just bizarre.

by clark on Jan 12, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Why?

It’s obvious to me that Daniels wouldn’t do something of this magnitude without mentioning it to Hicks and Ryan. This kind of thing definitely gets talked about among all the front office’s top people for a while before being enacted. This isn’t Daniels just going out on a limb by himself with an idea no one else in the office has discussed with him.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

Greg is such a crybaby.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Jan 12, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

So, let's say management decides MY is the championship player and Elvis must go.

Is it even possible to do that at this point?

Just to think through AJM’s thought that MY will be gone within a week. The only alternative is to trade Elvis. Management’s authority would be compromised if they backpedaled and moved Andrus. I think AJM is right. The lines are clearly drawn.

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Jan 11, 2009 11:50 PM CST reply actions  

How about just forcing MY to play 3rd?

Soriano style. He’ll get over it when he realizes he’s making 15 million a year.

by Schrute Farms on Jan 11, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

But now JD

has an excuse to try to trade that nasty contract.

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 11, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I can see it now...

MY gets traded for a Twinkie. The Rangers sign Sheets. He goes on the DL after his first start. Andrus pulls a Blalock and is in OKC before May 1st. Everybody calls for JD to be fired.

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Jan 11, 2009 11:52 PM CST reply actions  

Another choke..

MY won’t move…I just dont see it happening

by rangersfan06 on Jan 11, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

ok

i think you’re new so i’ll try to be nice.

stop talking.

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah

as things go around here, that was pretty nice, though you did tell him to stop talking rather than ask him to stop talking…

by Goyogringo on Jan 12, 2009 8:53 AM CST up reply actions  

What's the best case return?

Is Dye even an option now that all leverage is gone? Maybe he is just from the standpoint of making the salaries work.

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Jan 11, 2009 11:53 PM CST reply actions  

I have retracted all the credit I gave him for playing through the injury.

Needs about 300% more tact.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Jan 11, 2009 11:54 PM CST reply actions  

i still don't understand why a trade happens

the only way a trade happens is if we take on MY’s salary. Why would Hicks allow that? Who is going to take the entirety of MY’s contract?

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 11, 2009 11:54 PM CST reply actions  

It helps that we've already taken on almost $20 mil

If the contract is indeed down to 5/62 left, that’s atleast closer to market than the original extension.

by cstorm15 on Jan 11, 2009 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

This actually helps his trade value I think

Trading him before looked weird – why would the team dump their FOTF who won a gold glove and is a perennial all-star? Not everyone is as stat-centric as the Red Sox or A’s. But if Texas was selling their centerpiece, maybe they would begin to ask questions

Now, teams will look at him as a guy who has to be traded. Teams may be thinking – hey, the opportunity is here to get a franchise SS!

by JBImaknee on Jan 11, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

It's still such a strange situation.

I can see how MY could be mad if Daniels and Washington (and Nolan, I guess) told him that they need him to move to third base.

But at the same time, it’s not like he couldn’t have foreseen this coming. There’s been discussion of this for a long, long time. This isn’t some new thing that’s sprung up in the past week.

It sort of seems to me, through reading these quotes, that he’s trying to take up the victim standpoint. “Big bad management is bossing me around, and I’m sick of it” type stuff. I trust that Young is being heavily coached by Dan Lozano right now.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 11, 2009 11:55 PM CST reply actions  

So how come JD suddenly

has the balls to tell MYoung that he is moving to 3B but when it came to telling Soriano he was moving to the OF, he pissed his pants?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 11, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably because:

1. The manager was not on board with Soriano going to LF, and
2. Soriano only had a year left, and he preferred dealing him and getting some in return rather than moving him to LF.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 11, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

And

JD was, at that time, only in his first few months as GM. I’m sure experience plays a role here.

-- Micah
Baseball Is My Boyfriend
"Every day is a new opportunity. You can build on yesterday's success or put its failures behind and start over again. That's the way life is, with a new game every day, and that's the way baseball is." -Bob Feller

by The Best Micah on Jan 12, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

yup

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Jan 12, 2009 12:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, if JD couldn't tell the manager that Soriano

was going to LF because it would piss off the manager…why the fuck is he the GM!?!?

Do that crap with Billy Beane and he’ll run your ass out of town.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

OK, stop.

Please.

Thank you.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Billy Beane

Tony LaRussa left town just before Beane took over and JD pretty much ran Showalter out of town. Same sort of thing.

by Andy Seiler on Jan 12, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

You're right

it’s not possible for people to learn from their past mistakes. They never change. Ever.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 11, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow.

You really just can’t help it, I guess. It doesn’t even annoy me—I’m in awe of it, actually.

by brettgardner on Jan 11, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Stole the words from my mouth.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

it really is amazing

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Because Nolan has his back.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Jan 11, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

You’re making 15 million bucks a year. I wont make that in my entire life. Suck it MY.

by hiafex on Jan 11, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Bastard.

Stole my line.

"that’s like saying because i wear a hat it keeps aliens away, just because since i’ve worn the hat aliens have never come and anally probed me." -rentz

by coolaid on Jan 11, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

It was a tribute, brosephine.

Something about the most sincere form of flattery…

;)

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm very disappointed.

Betrayal is the only term I can think of to describe this whole mess. If Young thinks he’s on the high ground in all of this, then he’s delusional. Those comments are about has wrong as they can be.

by Athos on Jan 11, 2009 11:58 PM CST reply actions  

How come we don't move Young back to 2B

a position that he played exceedingly well in the past and would not need to re-learn and then we could shift Kinsler to the OF?

Jeez, Kinsler doesn’t really have a choice in the matter either because he’s signed long-term as well.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

wrong

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Wrong.

"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

5th time isn't the charm :(

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Young wasn't a very good 2B

in his last year at the position.

Get off my lawn.

by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2009 5:39 AM CST up reply actions  

That's my feeling too

Maybe there was a problem with how he was approached (but I can’t see how it was out of the blue, since there has been at least some widespread local discussion of this happening for the last year or so, and Andrus is pretty highly regarded). But Young isn’t helping his “high ground” by acting like this.

by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I loved the quotes from scouts

in the Rosenthal piece that said he can’t go to his left. If he can’t go to his left, why the hell do you put him at third?

Just keep your mask on and umpire the game! - Tom Grieve, 5/25/08

by EssBee on Jan 11, 2009 11:58 PM CST reply actions  

Because

Going to your left at SS and going to your left at 3B are two completely different things. Going to your left at SS means going deep into the hole to get grounders. Going to your left at 3B is diving toward the line on a line drive. There isn’t a lot of lateral movement at 3B as opposed to SS

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jan 12, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

argh

I hate it when I do that.

Ok well at SS involves going up the middle which is a good distance. Even if the 2B comes to help you have to move a long way. At 3B moving to the real left is only a couple steps because the SS is expected to cover their right which is the hole. 3B needs far less lateral movement than a SS.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jan 12, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

In Short

It is more about quick reactions and dives/lunges rather than long lateral moves

by Horns130 on Jan 13, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm disappointed

In Young (I thought he’d move to benefit his career, evidently not). No one has hyped him (read that tried to offer positive support) more than I. It’ feels like a gut punch, or a Jekyll-Hyde transformation. But if a trade is inevitable, do it now – the sooner the better. And leverage the hell out of it. I know, now this is public, the return can’t possibly be as good as you’d want. Geeezzz, I day a day away and come back to this.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Jan 11, 2009 11:58 PM CST reply actions  

Why the hell make him learn a new position

at age 32? Move him back to 2B if you’re going to pull this shit.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Because no other good, but aging, players have to move to less demanding defensive positions as they age.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

So Adam

if you really feel that JD “has this thing going in the right direction” or whatever the hell it is you said, how do you excuse him for recommending the Rangers sign Young to this contract?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Why would...

Young agree to move to 2nd and not 3rd? You’re being stupid.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Jan 12, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

What makes you think he'd be interested in doing that?

I think he made it clear he wants to play SS and nothing else.

Nevermind the fact that we have a glut of OF types and an all-star at 2B already.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

2b is still the middle infield

a place where range matters.

range is not MY’s forte at this stage…

at 3b he’s required to make one maybe to steps to either direction, something he is capable of doing.

Freddie King rules faces.

by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

what did ripken do

late in his career?

dumbass

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

abo3, Ripken played 3B

quite a bit in his first two years in The Show and wasn’t asked to learn a new position later in his career, shit-for-brains.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

new position

so that’s your main beef, huh.

how about ernie banks?

dumbass

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Craig Biggio

moved from 2B to CF, which arguably is the most difficult position to play in the OF, at the age of 37 and acquitted himself quite nicely.

"I lost my virginity but I still have the box it came in."
- Unknown

by Rangerchick on Jan 12, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Was that a reply to me?

New position at age 32? Because there is precedent for it, including Ripken and I can’t name all of them off the top of my head. And as Adam has repeatedly pointed out, his tool skills would work OK or better than OK at 3b. I wonder if there is any chance he’ll recant, apologize, and back away from the trade request. Oh well … I’ve misjudged his tenacity to succeed with this team, I guess.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Jan 12, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

He doesn't have to apologize.

Just take the field at 3B and play hard. I’d be happy with that.

I’d expect him to be really mad in this situation. But, I’d also expect him to be more level-headed about it. Then again, he asked the opinion of other players, which seems like a level-headed thing to do, except that they are other players and you would expect them to disagree with management. So, it’s not like he looked for an objective opinion.

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Decent point

There are players with whom the MLBPA is godly, and with management it’s them and us.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Jan 12, 2009 12:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't see any team

wanting any part of Young’s contract so if we really want to get rid of him then we will have to eat a lot of the salary.

"that’s like saying because i wear a hat it keeps aliens away, just because since i’ve worn the hat aliens have never come and anally probed me." -rentz

by coolaid on Jan 12, 2009 12:00 AM CST reply actions  

I really need to go to bed

but I don’t want to wake up to 1000 more comments I’ll have to Z thru.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 12:01 AM CST reply actions  

But I care about what you all have to say.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Stay up until 1am CST

SBN’s undergoing maintenance then, so there’s kind of an endgame in sight.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank god.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions  

1000 MY hate posts

yeah, you don’t want to miss that.

Mass X Acceleration = Force

by SteveP on Jan 12, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Toronto

would we want any Scott Rolen action?

Bobby Jindal '12

by dstar442005 on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 AM CST reply actions  

Now THERE'S a guy I want no part of.

He has been a completely different, terrible player since shoulder surgery.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Rolen...

Scott Rolen: 3.2 WAR in 2008
Michael Young: 1.7 WAR in 2008.

Rolen’s a much better player who will cost less next year and is only inked through 2010. He’s 2 years older than Young, but there’s no question at all who I’d rather have on my team. Rolen isn’t a star anymore, but he’s still a legitimately good player capable of earning his contract. Young is a role player making All Star money.

by slamcactus on Jan 12, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

only 2 years older...

than Michael Young and still above average with the glove and bat.

He wouldn’t be my first target, but Scott Rolen is still a good player and is a great bet to earn his contract next year.

If you think Scott Rolen is washed up you’re underrating defense and on-base ability and overrating home runs.

by slamcactus on Jan 12, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

You probably need to add a caveat to that.

Something, maybe, like “I hate long-term free agent signings over 30 years old.”

And even then, that’s an awful broad brush.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

The world happened, dude.

Time to get the with the fucking program. Why don’t you hop on board and come on in for the big win?

by brettgardner on Jan 12, 2009 12:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Texas...

doesn’t have a 3B anywhere near contributing to the major league roster. A guy who wouldn’t block anyone and doesn’t require more than a 2-year commitment isn’t inconsistent with a rebuilding squad. He’s also a trade target who likely wouldn’t be that expensive, not a free agent signing.

by slamcactus on Jan 12, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

i might have missed something a long while back but

why can’t we stick blalock or davis their for now, davis wasn’t terrible when he played their for a short while last year. Im just saying is all

G4L

by No More Gingercide on Jan 12, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Blalock

His shoulder can’t hold up at third anymore from what all reports say these days.

by Andy Seiler on Jan 12, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Davis actually was pretty terrible there.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 3:16 AM CST up reply actions  

If MY is traded...

I want a 3B and Major League ready pitcher in return…Texas will probably eat 7-10 mil of his salary.

by rangersfan06 on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 AM CST reply actions  

Keep dreaming.

"that’s like saying because i wear a hat it keeps aliens away, just because since i’ve worn the hat aliens have never come and anally probed me." -rentz

by coolaid on Jan 12, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Great player, he’s worth at least a pitcher.

Not with that contract.

"that’s like saying because i wear a hat it keeps aliens away, just because since i’ve worn the hat aliens have never come and anally probed me." -rentz

by coolaid on Jan 12, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Easier said then done.

"that’s like saying because i wear a hat it keeps aliens away, just because since i’ve worn the hat aliens have never come and anally probed me." -rentz

by coolaid on Jan 12, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes...

It’s hard to convince a team to take an expensive shortstop who can’t play the position well and refuses to move anywhere else on the diamond. MY may return a grade B prospect if the Rangers eat more than half of his salary. He’s just not valuable on the trade market.

by slamcactus on Jan 12, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

If Young moved to 3b

He’d never make an all star game again. At shortstop in the AL, he has a shot.

by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 12:04 AM CST reply actions  

Oooh...

that is more important than championships. Sorry JD, you forgot the all-star games.

by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

How many MVP votes does he have?

Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.

by inactive lsb user on Jan 12, 2009 12:27 AM CST up reply actions  

He finished 8th, 11th, and 30th

from 04-06… zero 1st place votes though.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Jan 12, 2009 12:30 AM CST up reply actions  

So he sucks.

Got it.

Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.

by inactive lsb user on Jan 12, 2009 12:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of which... Isn't Eckstein still available?

He’d look oh so good manning the shit out of the hot corner in Ranger blue and white and red.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 3:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Poor Elvus Andrus

now he’s going to have the DVDesque pressure on him to do well…and quick.

by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 12:04 AM CST reply actions  

Wow.

I hadn’t thought of that. It’s kind of like when a girl tells you that she turned down the opportunity to go out with friends to let you take her out on a date…that better be a goddamn good date.

The bar’s been raised.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions  

fortunately for him

all he has to do is hit for average. no OBP, no power, whatever.. his .285 with rangey defense and he can get by.

of course, he might come in and hit .225..

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Jan 12, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Andrus

I especially hope they keep him in AAA all season now. He doesn’t need to get killed by the media trying to replace Young as a 20-year old.

by Darrell McKown on Jan 12, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

And Andrus isn't good enough

to handle the position in The Show.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions  

You really just don't stop, do you?

Do you have an “off” button?

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

I think that button is stuck LOL

by hiafex on Jan 12, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

So

we just sign a 1-year stopgap FA like Juan Uribe and let Andrus start the year in OKC to hone his stuff.

"I lost my virginity but I still have the box it came in."
- Unknown

by Rangerchick on Jan 12, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

That's good

2 out of 3 have turned out great.

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions  

56 minutes

till the blackout of chaos.

or everyone just goes to sleep.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Jan 12, 2009 12:05 AM CST reply actions  

screw sleep!

I have nothing to do tomorrow

by rangersfan06 on Jan 12, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Piece of shit

5:08pm here in Sydney. I’ve got hours to dwell on all this.

by jonthefon on Jan 12, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I get my wisdom teeth taken out tomorrow.

Really looking forward to them knocking me out.

Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!

by sprite on Jan 12, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Probably

But Drugs are fun.

Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!

by sprite on Jan 12, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

In a strange, bittersweet moment like this...

…I needed some Ralph Wiggum.

Rec’d.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I love Ralph.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Will you open my milk

mommy!

Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.

by Maximilian on Jan 12, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

hahah.

I love sleeping,…I’ll do it for awhile once I do go to bed. but I’m still clicking!

by rangersfan06 on Jan 12, 2009 12:07 AM CST reply actions  

I'll give you a hint.

It ain’t Nolan.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Noway it was Nolan

Nolan reminds me of Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino, just tells you/us like it is

G4L

by No More Gingercide on Jan 12, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

How dare you?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Most of the people in here

also don’t like to be told the way that it is.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

what way is it?

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh Jesus, don't do that.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

It would've happened on its own.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Is that ...

Wait a minute …

Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.

by inactive lsb user on Jan 12, 2009 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

If you figure it out

There’s a tiny giggle in it for you.

by brettgardner on Jan 12, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Bruce Hornsby anyone?

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Diggler,

The truth.

This is all about Young’s contract, the Rangers wanting to get out from under it and has nothing to do with JD wanting “to get all our championship caliber players together.”

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Glad you have all the inside info

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 7:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I can see Nolan

talking out of a clinched mouth, telling Michael “Deserve’s got nothing to do with it.”

Mass X Acceleration = Force

by SteveP on Jan 12, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

GET OFF MY LAWN!

Damn kids.

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by rangers85 on Jan 12, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Then they have no choice

They have to trade him, he’s calling Ryan a lier.

by SanDiegoKev on Jan 12, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

JD

thinks they can talk him into this…YEA right. I sure would like to see him stay. But I bet he’s gone..

by rangersfan06 on Jan 12, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I think as with all things it is spin on both sides

The Rangers probably told Young that sometime in the next 2 years they may decide to make Andrus their starting SS. So they gave him the team-preferred option of learning 3b now, when the team a> wasn’t as competitive, so they could accept a learning curve, b> could get a stop-gap SS easier than a stop-gap 3b, and c> allow for him to be the one who made the decision, as opposed to him being forced out by a rookie.

Young read that as “Move now, or move later, but either way you are moving”
Nolan spins that as “You have a choice this year, and we won’t force you either way”

Both right.

by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I never thought i would ever say this but

i think as of now i like TO more than Michael Young, are these the feelings i should be having?

G4L

by No More Gingercide on Jan 12, 2009 12:15 AM CST reply actions  

BINGO!

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by rangers85 on Jan 12, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Rec.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Jan 12, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

That is quite possibly the weirdest statement I have ever read...

…but it kind of make sense in a “crazy like a fox” sort of way.

Reading another 500 pro-trade comments should make me feel better…so get to work LSB!

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions  

rec

"Nobody knows how to feel right now. It’s like Jesus came down from heaven and shot Santa Claus." --ghtd36

by coolaid on Jan 12, 2009 12:30 AM CST up reply actions  

ridiculous.

Mass X Acceleration = Force

by SteveP on Jan 12, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Amazing how everyone comes out of the woodwork at times like this.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Just goes to show

how many never really disappear.

Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.

by inactive lsb user on Jan 12, 2009 12:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I need to make sure I

get home by 6:00pm tomorrow. I am sure this will be hte lead story on Hot Stove.

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Jan 12, 2009 12:17 AM CST reply actions  

Come on everyone, take your Young anger here...

Did a quick google search for “Michael Young Sucks” and came across this board…
http://www.talk-sports.net/mlb/sucks.aspx/Michael_Young

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by rangers85 on Jan 12, 2009 12:17 AM CST reply actions  

No

I think it’ll be 50/50 Playoffs and this. I’ll probably tune into Ben and Skin since they promised more Ranger coverage. See if that’s true tomorrow…

Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!

by sprite on Jan 12, 2009 12:21 AM CST up reply actions  

ive never bothered

when are they on? whats the station again?

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Jan 12, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions  

105.3 the Fan

"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions  

105.3

2-6

Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!

by sprite on Jan 12, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to make my best attempt to tune in tomorrow...

if they are going to talk Rangers, they sure as hell better dedicate most of the show to them. What time does their show start? 3pm?

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by rangers85 on Jan 12, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions  

2:00pm

"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I may have missed it, but I haven't seen these quotes yet
“Obviously when Elvis came into the system, there had been speculation at some point in time that the request would come down. It was one of those situations that you didn’t know the time frame on it because it depended on Elivs’ development. It’s unfortuatne the timing is as it is this year with Michael coming off an outstanding season where he won a Gold Glove and was an All-Star. We feel with Elvis’ talents and Michael’s ability that it made sense to move Michael to third to try to put the best team on the field possible.”

“What you have to do is take everything into consideration and look at the entire picture and come to a solution that you think makes the most sense and in the best interest of the ballclub. I can’t say I know what that is and where that’s going to lead. It’s going to have to be talked about more with Michael and find out what his comfort level is and he’s had more time to think about it. See where he is in his mind and his heart. For us to think about other options if there are other positions for the club. From my perspective, it’s too premature for me to make a prediction as to how this is going to play out.”

by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions  

OK, let's take a step back.

What is the best-case scenario for this MY situation?

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:26 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed

If that can be worked out without too many scars

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Jan 12, 2009 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

It's not going to be

“worked out.”

Michael Young’s ship has come in and he’s about to leave Baseball Siberia.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:45 AM CST up reply actions  

You are the worst.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 3:19 AM CST up reply actions  

a trade

and a pitcher in return. I’d be set

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions  

oh

you meant what’s the best most likely scenario?

what rooster said

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I think

Young will ultimately yield to the will of the FO, he has been here his whole life, has had a kid here and has already had the expierence of a position move. I hope he comes to his senses

G4L

by No More Gingercide on Jan 12, 2009 12:30 AM CST up reply actions  

why does every trade require a pitcher in return?

I just ask for the strongest possible return, pitcher or not I don’t care. If it is a good deal, its a good deal.

by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions  

that JD doesn't back down

MY doesn’t have all that much leverage, afterall.

Mass X Acceleration = Force

by SteveP on Jan 12, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Trade demands ..

.. can’t be better than a 50/50 proposition for the player. By making his demand public, he’s lowering his value and making it more difficult for the team to get adequate value.

by mattrpav on Jan 12, 2009 12:29 AM CST up reply actions  

But at the same time

the team doesn’t want a player that has requested a trade.

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Jan 12, 2009 12:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Its a guaranteed contract

The player has to play and not do anything too detrimental, or he risks his contract being voided. Not to mention any performance based incentives. Young doesn’t really have any in this situation— it seems that there isn’t any position-specific language in his contract, so its move or don’t get paid.

by mattrpav on Jan 12, 2009 12:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Best case...

Young doesn’t go on a killing spree through the clubhouse.

Worst case…
Killing spree happens and Young gets everyone, but somehow Jamey Wright survives and pitches all 162 games for us next year logging over 1000 innings.

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by rangers85 on Jan 12, 2009 12:29 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Is this serious?

Do you like it?

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Jan 12, 2009 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I make that deal in a heartbeat

I’d hate to see Young in Anaheim, but Young for Wood is just too good a deal to pass up.

Seems like that would never happen, but Arte Moreno is kind of crazy – who knows…

by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Would be good timing to get Wood cheap

He was dismissed from his Dominican Winter League team after hitting .167 in 13 games.

by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

How's his defense? Anyone?

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

It would be nice to have a division rival with the overpaid trio of MY, GMJ, and Hunter.

Maybe that would prevent them from extending Lackey, and Jamey’s prediction that Lackey will be a Ranger will come true.

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 12:35 AM CST up reply actions  

would that be

addition by subtraction for us?

G4L

by No More Gingercide on Jan 12, 2009 12:37 AM CST up reply actions  

What

could Young give them that the much younger and cheaper Aybar couldn’t?

"I lost my virginity but I still have the box it came in."
- Unknown

by Rangerchick on Jan 12, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions  

if you believe jeff wilson

then that overrated intangible … heart

G4L

by No More Gingercide on Jan 12, 2009 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

If the point of trading young is to free up SS

why would we acquire a SS?

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Jan 12, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Any idea how his defense is?

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

His range was always lacking at SS, but he was always reported to have great tools for 3rd (strong arm, soft hands) if he ever got moved.

I haven’t read any reports on him now that he’s actually moved, though.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 3:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah

Well that makes more sense. As a 3b his numbers arn’t as impressive but given our completely lack of depth at 3b.. yeah.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Jan 12, 2009 12:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Wait... would they take his entire contract?

Cause, damn… I’d be all over that.

Throw Wood at 3rd, sign O-Cab to a one year deal to play SS, then go after Sheets.

And… Wow.

I just jizzed sweet creamy-white little puddles of hope all over my baseball pants.

And these things are dry-clean only.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 3:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Also, this from TR on the topic of waiting a year:
There was still some consideration about giving Andrus one more season at Triple-A before asking Young to make the move. But the Rangers feel he’s close to being ready and don’t have any other any alternatives at third base. It’s a weak free-agent market at that position and the Rangers are clearly reluctant to go with Travis Metcalf.

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 12:26 AM CST reply actions  

So here's a question

How does Travis Metcalf feel about this? Did he call all his baseball friends and cry that he’s not being given his shot at third?

by Andy Seiler on Jan 12, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I am curious as to what teams are on MY's list

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:37 AM CST reply actions  

me too

We should trade to Toronto for Vernon Wells. Shove that irony in MY’s face.

by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Trying to sort this out...

- Rangers are convinced Metcalf cannot play 3rd as a regular
- Want MY to move now cuz they think Andrus ready, if not out of ST, soon.
- MY demands trade, but his contract and range at SS are going to make that very, very difficult.
- Maybe the Rangers are trying to force MY now so they know what to do with Davis? If they think Andrus is close, they must feel similar about Smoak, right?
- Trying to free up money for Sheets?
- Do they have a trade on the table in the event MY won’t move?
- MY’s not in the best of positions here – too much money, suspect range at short and doesn’t have enough power for a typical 3B.
Thoughts?

by stltxfan on Jan 12, 2009 12:37 AM CST reply actions  

Don't understand this one
- Maybe the Rangers are trying to force MY now so they know what to do with Davis? If they think Andrus is close, they must feel similar about Smoak, right?

regarding the point about a trade on the table – its kind of weird that this exploded like this. Makes me think that there isn’t anything happening, and either 1> the Rangers want Young to open up his list of acceptable trade destinations or 2> Young wants to force a move.

by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions  

The CD/Smoak thing should be interesting in 2010/11

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Expand that

CD/Smoak/Salty/Ramirez thing

Assuming no trades.

by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 12:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Well part of that might be figured out before 2010.

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

but you said assuming no trades so yeah

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm more worried about our rotation

when we have 7 20 game winners in Feliz, Holland, Hurley, Harrison, Perez, Beavan, and Main. Oh no…

Justin Smoak hasn’t really played professional baseball yet. Lets give him a while before we start scheduling a conflict with Davis…

by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Isn't Smoak considered to

be one of our “championship caliber players” as well?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Abso freakin lutely

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions  

maybe I'm missing something

but everything I’ve read about Smoak is he should be ready by ‘10. he and crash both play 1st, so that makes 1 of them trade bait, unless MY won’t move. In which case they keep both.

by stltxfan on Jan 12, 2009 12:47 AM CST up reply actions  

My Guess

CD moves to the outfield.

I assume he’ll take the position change gracefully.

by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions  

My guess

one of them will be the DH or traded for pitching.

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Jan 12, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Didn’t Davis say JD told him to bring his 3b glove to ST?

by qaldyar on Jan 12, 2009 12:43 AM CST reply actions  

yep

If we have a true defensive SS in place maybe they would be more willing to take the hit at 3b for a while to see if Davis can improve to the point that he and smoak at the corners are an option.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Jan 12, 2009 12:45 AM CST up reply actions  

exactly

maybe they got a hell of a deal on the table for either crash or smoak and they need an answer from MY before they make such a deal?

by stltxfan on Jan 12, 2009 12:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Ladies and gentlemen, it's been fun.

I’m now going to go to sleep and try to make sense of the world I live in.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:44 AM CST reply actions  

Huh?

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Bruce Hornsby...

where’s my giggle?

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:46 AM CST up reply actions  

You're supposed to giggle.

I could get a hell of a look at a butcher…no wait, it’s gotta be your bull…

by brettgardner on Jan 12, 2009 12:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha there's ur giggle

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:51 AM CST up reply actions  

You'll have a nightmare about MY holding the World Series trophy,

any you can’t see the uniform, but your brain knows it isn’t Texas…

by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Mavs trade brewing? Felton to Dallas?

by qaldyar on Jan 12, 2009 12:47 AM CST reply actions  

Time travel is fun!

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions  

umm

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Well

it was fun guys, but I’ll call this whole thing a night now. See you all in the morning.

by jonthefon on Jan 12, 2009 12:50 AM CST reply actions  

Haha

“Lone Star Ball- A Community In Crisis.”

Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!

by sprite on Jan 12, 2009 12:50 AM CST reply actions  

Epic coolness.

Great, I just managed to combine two superlatives rather poorly.

by jonthefon on Jan 12, 2009 12:51 AM CST up reply actions  

At the very least....

…a very tired community in about 8 hours.

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2009 12:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Geez

I guess I missed the first major happening of the offseason this afternoon.

I haven’t read the thread yet, but let me just share my initial reaction to the above:

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by LSJ on Jan 12, 2009 12:59 AM CST reply actions  

Believe it or not

All of this occurred after 10 pm.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Jan 12, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by LSJ on Jan 12, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

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