Monday a.m. things
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2009 8:28 AM CST
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So, yeah, so much for there not being any news out there on the Rangers.
T.R. Sullivan's most updated story says that the possibility of Michael Young changing his mind and agreeing to play third base is not a "strong possibility" at this point. It also has Young saying his complaint was that he was not asked to move, he was told to move, which seems to me to be an odd thing to get hung up on.
Mike Hindman offers his thoughts on the situation. He's pretty clearly disappointed in Young.
Buster Olney offers his thoughts this morning at ESPN.com:
Michael Young told the Rangers he'd like to be traded, rather than play third base. This will put GM Jon Daniels in a very tough spot: Young will be extraordinarily difficult to trade because his salary is so high -- he is set to make $16 million for each of the next five seasons -- and he's 32 years old, and he's not a power hitter, and some advance scouts just don't think he can play shortstop any more. At a time in which teams have been hanging onto their cash, Young is probably as close to being untradeable as anyone in the game, unless the Rangers eat a huge chunk of the contract in the way they ate almost 40 percent of A-Rod's contract to move him.
Earlier in the offseason, before any of this position-change stuff came up, I spoke with several general managers who said they would have no interest in Young because of his contract. "Nice player, awful contract," said one.
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Hindman's take
Agree 100%. If MY really considers himself a leader and whatnot — he’d swallow his pride and help the team.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 8:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
after reading that, I realized that MY isn’t so much the Face of the Franchise, but the Face of This Franchise. A losing franchise that doesn’t seem to know what it takes to win and is amongst the worst in Baseball.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2009 8:33 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Ouch...
As much as it hurts to hear this… +1
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jan 12, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How not to do offseason PR 101
1) Kick longtime season ticket holders out of their seats.
2) Raise Ticket Prices
3) Don’t sign any significant free agent.
4) Piss off the FOTF and get his demand to be traded.
by SanDiegoKev on Jan 12, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
This might be the most profound thing I’ve ever heard on MY.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 12, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Biggest Duh of the year.
At a time in which teams have been hanging onto their cash, Young is probably as close to being untradeable as anyone in the game
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2009 8:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Did you delete my Hindman post in the other thread?
by shroomer on Jan 12, 2009 8:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The contract
I know Young would have very little reason to do this, but what are the chances that he is willing to renegotiate his contract with a new team?
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
by tdi1985 on Jan 12, 2009 8:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Zero
MLBPA won’t let him reduce the $ owed. He might agree to defer some of it or something like that — but if you meant to reduce the value, it won’t happen.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
I mean, there really is no reason he would even want to reduce the amount owed. But there has to be a way to rework it to make it look slightly more attractive. Defer a lot of it, and then maybe you get lucky with Young having some sort of an amazing year that interests another team. idk.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
by tdi1985 on Jan 12, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This whole thing goes to show you what type of team we are trying
to commit to and what type of player Mike Young really is.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Jan 12, 2009 8:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pride Kills
seems like MY is letting his get the best of him.
Freddie King rules faces.
by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2009 8:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the
$12M/yr is the problem. It is $12M/yr for 5 years. I still think he plays 3B for the Rangers in 2009.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 12, 2009 8:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Im conflicted with his contract status,
Some say 60, some say 80. What is the lowdown there?
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Jan 12, 2009 8:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It has been reported
that $20M has already been paid in the form of bonuses in 2007 and 2008. He has about $60M left ovet the next 5 years.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 12, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah it's also been reported that it's deffered money, not bonus money already paid out.
We don’t know where the truth lies.
My guess is that it’s deferred money that’s yet to be paid out.
Cause if we really already paid him 20mm in bonuses over the past two year, I think we’d have heard about it.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree
until i see something official to the contrary
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I got it figured out.
I don’t know why i didn’t see this before. So it is $80M – $5M 2008 club option as part of the deal – $15M deferred = $60M for 5 yrs. If MY is traded, Hicks will probably have to eat the $15M plus maybe an additional $10M if the Rangers want to get back a decent player.
From Cots
5 years/$80M (2009-13)
signed extension with Texas 3/07, with Rangers exercising $5M 2008 club option as part of the deal
09-13:$16M annually (total of $15M deferred)
no-trade protection 2007-09, limited no-trade protection from 2010 to May, 2011 (submits list of 8 clubs to which he’d accept trade), before receiving 10-and-5 rights in May, 2011
award bonuses, including $25,000 for Gold Glove
4 years/$10.5M (2004-07), plus 2008 club option
signed extension with Texas 4/04, replacing 1 year/$0.45M deal signed 3/04
04:$1M, 05:$2.5M, 06:$3M, 07:$3.5M, 08:$4M club option ($0.5M buyout)
2008 option increased to $5M based on performance
award bonus: $50,000 for All Star selection
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/texas-rangers.html
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 12, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That makes a lot more sense than this, "He's already been paid 20mm!!!" thing we've been hearing of late.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That still only means hes making 13 mil per instead of 16 mil per
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by bigsteve on Jan 12, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
The phrasing was “already paid 20MM bonus over the past two years”. That would indicate the $60 or $62 remaining is the amount owing.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Jan 12, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, I know the phrasing. I just don't believe those reports. I think they're wrong. I think it's deferred money, not already paid out bonus.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then even the local reporters are in on the lie.
Which is difficult to believe.
by Athos on Jan 12, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's a lie, per se. Contracts are complicated and things get confused in the game of telephone.
If we were already paying him ~8-10mm per year in bonuses the past two years, why did we never hear mention of it when the team’s payroll came up the past two years?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Deferred Money
Yeah, because things were so quiet about already paying him the bonus money, I guess it is deferred. The thing is, deferred money typically comes at an interest rate (Andruw Jones is an exception), which means the Rangers will be overpaying Young twice.
Yesterday I said that paying Young up front was a good way of turning a terrible contract into something a little more palatable. It seems that I was a little premature with that. I hope all this talk about an unmovable contract will cause somebody somewhere to get to the bottom of just how much money Young is owed.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jan 12, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So I can say that
MY’s contract is the alltime third worst contract this team has signed. Right behind arods and chan’s
G4L
by No More Gingercide on Jan 12, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why was the arod contract so bad?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't.
That is, it wasn’t until we started paying another team for the privilege of letting them have the privilege of the services of the league’s best player.
by Athos on Jan 12, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
fair enough haha
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree
that he will be the 3B here. I think they should wait a year or at least a half year for Andrus’ benefit, but if they’re headed down that road, I think Young at 3B is most likely. Just too hard to trade.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 12, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
some advance scouts just don’t think he can play shortstop any more.
And…. That’s why the Rangers want him to move.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on Jan 12, 2009 8:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised that the decision makers
JD, Wash, Nolan and Hicks came up with the decision to move him this year. I figured they would live with him at short this year and move him to third in 2010. I agree MY is being uncool about it, especially if his people are the ones going to the media, but given that Andrus just has half a year at double A, to MY, it probably does seem like they’re rushing the issue, which would seem like a slap in the face.
"Never go with a hippie to a second location."
by jcAustin on Jan 12, 2009 8:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Andrus played 118 games at AA
seems like a full season. He’ll start in AAA and probably be a mid-season call up if all goes well with him.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2010
JD has said that 2010 is the year the Rangers are to seriously contend for the division. Andrus needs to be in the MLs in 2009. I also expect them to push Holland, Borbon, Feliz, Diamond and Smoak. It may only be Sept call ups for some, but I think all of the see Arlington this year.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 12, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would be shocked if Smoak made it all the way to Arlington this year
I expect he’ll make it to the Show in ’10. Perhaps this year if he performs extremely well and we trade Blalock, but if Blalock is still here, Smoak is still in the minors.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Smoak doesn’t need to be pushed into the majors so soon. Let him stay in Frisco during the summer, and at the end of the season (when I’m sure we trade some players and is room on the 40) call him up to just get a taste of the majors, with the indication that in 2010 he has a shot to win a starting job for us
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Jan 12, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would expect
Feliz and Smoak to be Sept. call ups.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 12, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree that
it’s the best ‘baseball’ decision, I was just pointing out what i imaged as MY’s point of view. I think we’re a better team with MY at 3rd and anyone with some range at short.
"Never go with a hippie to a second location."
by jcAustin on Jan 12, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least the Rangers
recognize the obvious and won’t let a declining player hang onto SS indefinitely out of some misguided sense of loyalty. I think the timing may have been a year early, but if they really believe Andrus will be ready this summer than I guess it makes some sort of sense. One hopes that Young recognizes that and gets on board.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 8:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you're right.
I think on one hand it’s a good thing that they recognize that Elvis will be better and are willing to make that change.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jan 12, 2009 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
This is actually a mildly encouraging sign about the front office. JD and Nolan not only did the right thing, it seems like they were thinking ahead and trying to anticipate any problems by addressing this situation this year. Young just flew off the handle.
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and Nolan and JD and Wash
all seem to be on the same page. something that is a really good sign
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 12, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
per BBTiA in Joey's Elvis Andrus Prospect analysis
The knock on Andrus’s defense, and ammo for his detractors, has been the high error totals he has accumulated thus far in his minor league career. It’s true that Andrus is guilty of lazy errors, mostly stemming from poor throws made on balls he should hold onto and routine grounders that simply don’t challenge him enough, but as he continues to climb the professional ladder these avoidable errors should be corrected through continued game repetition and maturity.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 9:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What's your take then?
Is he ready?
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Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was kidding
I am the author of the analysis quoted above.
No, Andrus is not ready. He needs another season in the minors.
by jparks77 on Jan 12, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So why is this
organization rushing Andrus to the bigs if he’s not ready?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This season is 2009.
They want him here in 2010.
2010 – 2009 = one year.
A full year to get ready.
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by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this has been stated...
but as Jamey has indicated MY cannot make the position switch mid-season. If the Rangers feel Elvis will be up at anytime this season (which most believe needs to happen in order to ensure the best chance of success in 2010 – our ‘year to contend’), then MY needs to be prepared to play 3B this year.
While, on the surface, it appears mgmt is asking MY to move either for a player who isn’t ready (Andrus) or isn’t more talented (Duran, Arias, etc) – I think this shows vision on the part of JD and Nolan.
On another note, I completely disagree with your remarks on Hindman’s article. They were not trying to get out from under his contract. They were preparing for the future and dealing with his contract the best way imaginable.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Jan 12, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aggressive promotion schedule thus far
but Andrus isn’t in the major leagues yet. Honestly, I doubt the Rangers think Andrus will be an option to start the ’09 season at the major league level. His glove would play, but his bat is not even close to being replacement level.
I think an ‘09 call-up is possible, but I don’t think Elvis takes over as the starter until 2010.
by jparks77 on Jan 12, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There are about four reasons to move Young to 3b
Understandably, Rangers management only wants to talk about Andrus.
by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what are the other 3 in your opinion?
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by bigsteve on Jan 12, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1. There aren’t any good 3b options out there for 2009.
2. Young sucks defensively at SS
3. The Rangers have no long-term options at 3b.
4. Andrus will be ready to take over the position anyways
5. The Rangers don’t want to move Young midseason.
Even Nolan said that this day would come, and that it was “unfortunately” that it came after Young won a gold glove.
Also, I think that if the Rangers thought there was any trade market for Young, they wouldn’t be moving him. They’d want to preserve his value at SS for as long as possible (like with Soriano).
by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, sorry misquoting :P
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
can you expand on that a bit?
what type defense would you expect from him at the ML level?
"I see their [Angels] rotation as John Lackey and a bunch of decent starters." - AJM
by tricer on Jan 12, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ahh, nevermind
"I see their [Angels] rotation as John Lackey and a bunch of decent starters." - AJM
by tricer on Jan 12, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, in the light of a new morning ...
this still sucks. Instead of being less upset after sleeping on this, I’m even more pissed than I was last night. Young is supposed to be the class act in this franchise. He’s supposed to be that guy that sets the example for the younger players by putting his team ahead of himself. He’s failed miserably.
His talk about this whole “team first” thing being a two-way street is valid, but he’s acting like the Rangers haven’t held up their end of the bargain, which is just wrong. They showed him a ton of loyalty when they gave him a 5-year, $80m extension. I seriously doubt any other team in the league matches that offer if Young had hit the market. I doubt any other franchise would have given him the $12m per season he’s still owed on the contract.
I’m very disappointed in Young. It is a sobering moment when somebody you’ve had a great deal of respect and admiration for reveals a character flaw like this. Shameful.
by Athos on Jan 12, 2009 9:06 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I feel the exact same way.
While I can understand MY’s frustration, the bottom line is that he’s supposed to be a leader. What kind of example does this set for, uh, everyone?
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by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CJ said it best
Most ballplayers are douchebags.
"I see their [Angels] rotation as John Lackey and a bunch of decent starters." - AJM
by tricer on Jan 12, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Amen.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 12, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Very well said, sir.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jan 12, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. Young is a proud man,
and rightfully so, he has much to be proud of. But right now, his pride is hurting his team and it’s hurting him, too. I hope he realizes that soon and climbs on board.
I don’t entirely agree with the timing of all this, I think they should have waited until next year. But then, I tend to err on the careful side of when prospects are ready, and both times I got out to Frisco last year Andrus wasn’t playing, so I haven’t seen his awesomeness in person, no feel for what he really looks like out there.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The story about Brett makes me even more convinced that MY got bad advice from
today’s generation of players. He asked his peers, and he claims they all were supportive of his argument that he should’ve been given more respect and of his decision to pout.
Well, he might not be willing to buy into the team plan for him to play 3B this year, but I’ll bet he will in 2010. That’s a pissy compromise but one I could live with if I were JD.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 9:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
no compromise
play 3B and shut up, or don’t get paid.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing Young wasn't looking for anyone to disagree with him
He went out looking for support, not advice.
by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently so
Confirmation, not advice. And the MLBPA makes it tough or impossible to “rectify” contract terms, hampering another team’s interest in him.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Jan 12, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Young called his friends up. If I got this phone call from a friend, I’d be nice about it and probably end up siding with him rather than his bosses. It happens to everyone with friends bitching about their bosses. You don’t really go and ask if their boss had reasoning to do something, you just take the side of your friend, nod your head, and agree with them.
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by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Money in the majors wasn't as good back then
Players during Brett’s years could easily be replaced if they disagreed with an organization because contacts were not as outrageous then as they are today. I’m sure if Brett continue to whine about it, management would just easily release him, and then there’s no more job for him and no money to suppose himself and his family. For players like Young, who make millions upon millions, its hard to release them cause of their contacts, so its much easier for them to whine and bitch, since they know they are financially set
I guess we can thank Mr. Hicks for this one
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Jan 12, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, cause, you know ...
he sucked so bad that the Royals wouldn’t have wanted to keep him and nobody was going to pick him up. Brett had LESS reason to want to move than Young when you throw in financial consequences. If he had been released, teams would have lined up for his services. Young, not so much.
by Athos on Jan 12, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tough Spot
1. You can’t trade him easily. He’s not that good and declining fast…he’s going to be forced to 3b soon no matter where he goes.
2. JD can’t back down at this point and let him play SS because it shows that they can be forced by media/fan/player pressure.
Rangeressary
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by rangeressary on Jan 12, 2009 9:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Rich gives his thoughts:
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/my-two-cents.html
"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 9:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
"I'll only say that fans should be patient with Young. He's earned that, hasn't he?"
I could be patient if he said, ‘Well, I dunno JD… let me think about it’ or ‘Wow – move to 3B? I don’t think Elvis is ready to play SS‘. But when he says ’TRADE ME!’ I don’t feel compelled to sit around and be patient. I just assume JD go out and find a suitable trading partner and the Rangers move forward with a bunch of guys who care more about this team… and if that’s not the case with anyone, at least move forward with a bunch of guys whose contracts aren’t a mistake.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Jan 12, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
There are many ways Young could have come out with this thing that don’t make him seem like a spoiled little brat who is full of himself. He chose the “Trade me, I’m too good for this” route and he’ll get trashed because of that.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would he have earned it, anyway?
I don’t see why I should opperate as if this was a feel good factory and not a baseball team that I absolutely want to do what it takes to win.
by philkid3 on Jan 12, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
So just because a player has been to a couple of All-Star Games and won a GG this year, we should be patient with him and give into his needs. I thought we were already patient with Young when we gave him that outrageous contact years back?
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Jan 12, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This probably won't end well
1. MY gets his trade, Rangers have to eat 40% of the contract (for five f’n years), Rangers ultimately get screwed.
2. MY refuses, plays short. Ever single time a dribbler gets by him, tons of people think the same thing (including him) “you shouldn’t be playing SS you selfish ass.”
3. MY moves, and everytime Andrus commits an error, MY and the casual fan fume about how MY would have made that play.
4. (snowball chance) some team decides to look past the contract, shrinking offense and defense and decide that their fans would love it if they traded for a perennial allstar that just won the gold glove at SS without giving much up in the trade.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2009 9:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah as much as i hate to say it
i think a trade is probably the best outcome for the rangers. but that is contingent on there being at least some sort of reasonable offer out there. we will probably have to eat substantial dough but the outlook is till promising: we have a talented core of young major leaguers (hamilton, davis, kinsler) ready to become the new tripartite face of the franchise and a plethora of young minor leaguers about to be knocking on the door. As important as Michael was to this team during the early and mid 2000s and especially once A-Rod left, I think this move shows he’s not buying into the new plan and probably isn’t a match for this next generation of Rangers’ baseball.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 12, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if I were JD...
my goal would be move him and his entire contract (5/62). If that means eat 20 now that wasn’t eaten before… do it. But I wouldn’t be concerned at all with what we get back. Just moving the entire contract and getting out from under a selfish player with a bad contract.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Jan 12, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
i think a reasonable offer is one that frees us of as much of that contract as possible. if we can get a useful piece or a low level high ceiling guy, that would be a bonus. if it comes down to eating more of the salary to get a better player it just doesnt make much sense. if you have the choice to eat 10 million and get a scrub or 20 million and a get maybe a couple of B/B- prospects, its a no brainer. $10 million for a couple of meh prospects is idiotic. its 3 times what we paid for smoak.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 12, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
#2 is not in the realm of possibility.
He’ll either move from SS or get traded.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 12, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
#3 is the most likely scenario
Until Andrus grows into the role, the Galloway herd will be shouting loudly about how the organization screwed Young over.
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by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On the C to the Sox front
According to one baseball source, the team has been intensifying talks with the Arizona Diamondbacks concerning 25-year-old catcher Miguel Montero. The Red Sox still believe that the price for gifted Texas Rangers catcher Jarrod Saltalamachia is too high because it still includes pitcher Clay Buchholz. The Diamondbacks are not believed to be asking for Buchholz
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1144745&srvc=rss
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
by sprite on Jan 12, 2009 9:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well...
That’s annoying.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jan 12, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go ahead
Get Miguel, and regret it immediately.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
After the show I want Greg Oden to tuck us both in and tell us stories about the old days. - Will Ferrell
by JukeboxJoe on Jan 12, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell 'em to call us
At the deadline when they need someone to play in front of Montero.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 12, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you explain why?
While I would prefer to have Salty over Montero, that goes right out the window if the Sox have to give up Buchholz. From the reports I’ve read the Sox could have Montero even up for Bowden. If the two teams are working on a deal, I assume it’s something where the teams meet midway between the respective offers (the Sox offering Bard and D-Backs wanting Bowden).
Just looking at their numbers, I’m not seeing where Salty looks to be worth so much more in a trade. Montero is only a year older and outhit him last year. Given that catchers tend to develop later and AFAICT both are projects behind the plate, so the Sox thinking makes sense to me.
If there is something in their respective scouting reports that you could tell me about, I’d love to hear it (living on the east coast and getting up early for work, I don’t see much west coast baseball).
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
by OCD SS on Jan 12, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The other thing
is that if getting a deal done for a lesser catcher (Montero) means the Sox don’t resign Varitek, that’s worth it in an of itself, IMO.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
by OCD SS on Jan 12, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone at Halo's Heaven wants MY
http://www.halosheaven.com/2009/1/12/718193/michael-young
As an aside, Halo also brags about this:
The 59th Most Valuable Sports Blog on Earth. Boo-YAH!
LSB is 53rd, so Boo-YAH right back at you, bitches.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2009 9:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 12, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MY to Seattle
Worth it just to see LOL’s reaction. heh
by shroomer on Jan 12, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the tubes that connects LOL to the Internet would almost assuredly burst.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought about this last night...
…when trying to think of potential trading partners. They have a declining, not as famous SS, and in years past had money to spend. Unfortunately, I think they are cutting salary and have changed FO’s from one that is much less smart than the Rangers to potentially one that is much smarter.
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 12, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MY for Bedard
who says no?
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Jan 12, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
me
i would never, ever trade for a player who had a labrum tear
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade MY for him.
That’s about it.
by philkid3 on Jan 12, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Young moved to an AL West team
And I’m Wash, I’m telling my players to hit ground balls between SS and 3rd base, knowing full well that half the time one of those players isn’t going to drive for that ball
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Jan 12, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you can probably hit them the other way too
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Towards the backstop?
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by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So we're about 1 year away from...
being completely removed from the “Teixeira, Young, & Blalock” trio.
by cmkelly29 on Jan 12, 2009 9:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
We're about 1 year away from being removed from everything
If we trade Young, Texas will only have one contractual obligation beyond 2009: Ian Kinsler.
Millwood, Padilla, CAT, Blalock, Byrd, Benoit, and now it appears Young will all be gone.
That’s some pretty impressive roster turnover. Who would that leave as the most senior Ranger? Frank Francisco?
by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Benoit.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jan 12, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the last year of his two year deal
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 12, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, missed that.
Yeah, I guess it would be Frankie then.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jan 12, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just compare it to the 3 Js era for the mavericks
It took a while, but thing turned good after a while (but now things sucks somewhat)
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Jan 12, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Begs the question:
Most of my complaint with Young is his awful contract. Assuming that in any trade, the Rangers are going to eat 60% of it.
Is MY at $7.2 million (what the Rangers would save if they traded him → His actual opportunity cost salary next year) not a steal of a player? If I were the Rangers, I would want to keep him at this value. If I were another team, I would be willing to give something of decent value up to have him at this price.
by BuckyB on Jan 12, 2009 9:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's the only way
they’ll get value in return, by reducing his obligation to the new team. Funny thing is, some teams would want him to change position. He’s really better off just staying in TX and becoming a pretty good defensive 3B.
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by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if he did back down and take 3b, he would be go down as the consummate team player. and if he was reasonably productive there and was present and active during a playoff run in 2010 or 2011, he could be remembered as one of the greatest rangers. he would be worshipped around these parts, moreso than he already is. that kind of legacy is not possible anywhere else.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 12, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True dat
and I still think it’s the most likely result.
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by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Combination of him at 3rd
and him learning to pull the ball a little more, again → tightens my pants a little
by BuckyB on Jan 12, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
more than just his legacy
i think it would allow him to add the bulk that he carried before he lost weight to help his range at SS. That should result in better power numbers, and playing at 3B should be easier on his body going forward.
by clark on Jan 12, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, yep, yep.
The move makes sense for him and probably prolongs his career. That is another thing that makes this prideful pissy fit he’s throwing that much more frustrating.
by Athos on Jan 12, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the interweb...
…so posters on several sites are all over trade ideas… oddly enough most are red sox fans as they don’t want to go into the season as they are… i’m really suprised at a)how excited people are about getting young, and b) how unknowledgable average internet baseball fans are….
i’ve seen such idiocy as:
1) Lowrie, Bucholz, Bowden, and Bard plus cash, for Young and Saltamaccia?
2) Sox Trade Lowrie & bucholz for Young and Salty
3) “Theo is trying to make this deal work right now, but Texas wants a bit more than he is offering. Rumor is Bucholz, Bowden, Richardson, Lowrie or Lugo for Young and Salty. Texas wants Lars Anderson, who is a beast in the making.” *and my personal favorite*
throw in a yankees homer: “trade cano and melky for young put him at second sure he would do it for yanks.”
here is hoping some of these fools actually work in a baseball front office somewhere. doesn’t kenny williams owe us one?
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
by ivysafety39 on Jan 12, 2009 9:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If #3 happens with Anderson
then JD will have to be inducted into the Rangers HOF immediately.
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
My favorite is this one…
I suspect Young and Saltalamacchia for Buchholz, Bowden, and Ellsbury.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If that happened...
The guy on Opening Day running in the outfield naked with “Thank You JD” written on his back will be me…
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Jan 12, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where did those come from?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 12, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am really hung up
on the “why now” question. This team asked Ian Kinsler to spend an entire year in AAA after he dominated AA, was at a more advanced age (including three years of major college experience) and played a less demanding defensive position. And yet with Andrus they seem adamant about “rushing” him to the big leagues despite the seemingly unanimous opinion that he needs more time to work out his defensive kinks. There was just no reason to force the issue this year.
And as disappointed as I am in Young’s very public reaction, I can’t help but feel that management collectively dropped the ball on this one in how they handled the situation. To demand that an established big league player switch positions for a player who has not proved himself beyond AA ball is unarguably a sensitive situation, yet it sounds like they handled it very authoritatively. Any effective manager needs to know how to manage his people.
by clark on Jan 12, 2009 9:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kinsler
That’s probably kind of an apples-oranges comparison both offensively and defensively. I certainly think Andrus could use an entire year at AAA, but I think they feel he’ll be ready mid to late summer so they want to make the switch now.
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by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how do the situations differ
both young players were blocked by established ML veterans. If anything, Kinsler had a much stronger argument to be rushed, as he clearly had the more advanced bat. For a team that is usually hesitant to break in young players mid-season (unless injuries or gross underperformance at the ML level force their hand) it seems odd to make an exception here.
But this does explain JD’s cryptic comments about upgrading the defense up the middle at the beginning of the offseason when it seemed like we had pretty established guys playing there.
by clark on Jan 12, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Different type of player
is what I meant, and different level of hype (except locally). This is moot, though, because Andrus being ready or not ready is secondary to the team probably Young might just be their best option at 3B this year and better stopgaps being available for SS.
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by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it makes sense.
It gives MY a season to get comfortable in the position and gives the Rangers the ability to promote Andrus sometime during 2009 without having to force a move in the middle of the season.
And I seriously doubt they sat him down and said, you’re moving or else. They probably explained the plan to him and said, “This is what we want you to do.” The fact that they approached him before spring training shows a lot of respect. They had every right to go to ST and simply order him to move. They’re making decisions aimed at the long-term success of this club. Like any long-term investment, a little short-term sacrifice is usually necessary.
by Athos on Jan 12, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully they're willing
to give Andrus some more time if he needs it. These articles all seem to give the sense that they’re convinced he’s ready.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 12, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not convinced they think he's ready.
I think they want him to have a little seasoning before hitting their target of competing in 2010. Whether they think he’s ready or not this year, they want him to be in place in 2010. They want him to have gotten over some of the jitters and growing pains before the team hits its stride and not while it is doing so.
It’s definitely a push to bring him up this year.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
they’re having to do this to avoid asking MY to move in the middle of a season. I think this means Andrus is up in ‘09 for sure, and they’re just getting ready for that.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Middle of the season I could live with
At least then you can let his play show you whether he’s ready. At the moment, they’re really just guessing based on AA and VWL. Let him show you he can be consistent defensively and that he’s at least adjusted to AAA offensively. And maybe see if he gets a little stronger. He is still at an age where he’s not fully developed physically.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 12, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
That’s why I have a really hard time believing they are prepared to open the season with him starting at SS.
I think this is a play for later in the season, not the beginning.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on the timing
at least as it pertains to Andrus. Whether or not you move Young now, I think that the plan should be to let Andrus get at least a half season at AAA under his belt, preferably a season and about two weeks.
As far as managing Young, what if you don’t handle it authoritatively? Their minds are made up, apparently. What good does it do to pretend like you’re going to take Young’s opinion under advisement then you’re not going to? Especially since he’s on the record just a couple of months ago saying that he would not be moving any time soon. He was going to resist this, and they knew that. I think telling him that he is moving is appropriate. Of course I’ve never understood how proprietary and entitled players seem to be about their position. They seem more concerned about their position than their team sometimes. I don’t get that.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 12, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
Even though we all knew approaching Young about switching positions was inevitable the way it was handled was very bad. Andrus looked very good last year but unless something drastic happened in the last couple months i don’t see any way he is ML ready by opening day. I think reasonably the timeline is at the earliest the ASB.
While I agree switching positions midseason isn’t the best way to do things instead of telling young he would be moving now I think they should have told him to start taking balls at 3B in spring, maybe play a few games there, but that his position this year would be SS. Slowly break him into the position. Young isn’t an idiot. He has almost suredly read about Andrus and has played alongside him last spring. he has to know that guy is the future at his position. But to tell Young to move now when Andrus is clearly not ready is bad on the FO’s part.
And as much as people don’t want to hear it or accept it Young does have some power in this organization. His salary and seniority gives him that. Everyone here who compares it to their jobs and says they wouldn’t tell their boss what to do is not in the same boat Young is. If you were an employee making the salary and with the same amount of time at the company Young is and were told to move to a position you had no experience at so some young chump fresh out of college could come in and take over for you you would be pissed too. Since jobs don’t trade employees you would probably seek out employment elsewhere at the same pay level and same position you currently hold. And if you are an employee who has garnered the type of respect around your industry young has and earned the accolades (no matter how deserving or not) Young has you would be able to get that salary elsewhere in that position.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 12, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A mid-season shift introduces risk into the management plan.
1) Why would MY be any more accepting of the idea then?
2) If the Rangers are even remotely talking about a wild card at that time, how can Elvis be brought up?
3) I agree with Z. Management knew that whenever they were going to approach MY, he would be “reluctant”, and so it doesn’t make sense from their perspective to wait for MY to volunteer.
4) They clearly have 2010 in mind. I don’t know where the pitching will come from, but a full season is better than a half season for Andrus if the idea is to have him up-to-speed for 2010.
If the Rangers wanted to have the option to trade Young, they should’ve waited until next offseason, since his contract removes some of his trade protection in 2010 when he is one year from a 5-10 player. Clearly, they want him to stay on this team.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The extra ounce of pain
Did it cross anybody else’s mind during this bruhaha that the club revealed it’s pure absence of faith in Metcalf, which just piles onto the absurdity of the Galarraga trade last Winter?
by shroomer on Jan 12, 2009 10:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hadn't made the connection to Galarraga.
Sure, I felt bad for Metcalf, but it goes to show what a bad assessment the Rangers had of Galarraga (which JD has admitted).
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if he has a year as good this year as he did last year
i will eat someones felt hat
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Hillerman
I read Blessing Way and Listening Woman – they were pretty good, probably read some more. And for anybody interested Ender in Exile is a good read – like the Shadow books kinda. I’m currently on a Julie Czerneda kick.
by shroomer on Jan 12, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmmm
a suggestion, non fiction, if your interested in the environment/peak oil: the long emergency
do you read david baldacci/vince flynn/clive cussler?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Made it thru a few chapters of VF
Probably have read some CC, never heard of DB. I’m kinda into space operas currently – Scalzi type stuff – btw, Zoe’s Tale is very satisfying.
by shroomer on Jan 12, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hillerman...
Kind of an odd placement to begin a discussion of Navajo murder mystery, but I agree Hillerman is very good. I own and have probably read 10-12 of his books.
by Topgun22 on Jan 12, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its cuz i suggested
that shroomer might like hillerman after i commented on his kokopelli profile pic
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
kok turned me on to Hillerman a while back – just updating my progress for him.
by shroomer on Jan 12, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't thought about the Galarraga connection either
but I am unsurprised and relieved that they don’t want to go into a season with Metcalf as their every day guy. You never know with a guy like him that he won’t have a surprising year, but him having a quality year would be surprising on the scale that Jerry Hairston Jr’s 2008 was. And even he didn’t do it for 400-500 ABs or anything.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 12, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been thinking about some of that stuff
but LSB was under maintenance and couldn’t post about it. There’s a lot of fall-out on this thing. Metcalf should come out and say that its a joke that this franchise is showing him such little respect by not giving him the 3B job.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ha - I can see the headline:
Metcalf Demands Trade!!
by shroomer on Jan 12, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Duran should demand a trade
How insulting is it for the organization to state that it doesn’t like the alternative of Metcalf playing the bulk of the games at 3B? There isn’t even a mention of Duran as a candidate, even though he played 60 games and 30 at 3B last year, while Metcalf only played 20. How can you stay in an organization that treats you this way?
by Brett Perryman on Jan 12, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And guess what Norm starts the show off with this morning: Fucking Pacman.
"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Norm and I have
an agreement that he only talks Ranger baseball between 11:30 – 12:00 when I am at lunch. :)
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 12, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure that the morning show
mentioned Young at some point, but I listened to at least two hours of their show and the only mention I heard was as the very last item on some tickers. As I said last night, I think it will get one segment on most shows today, maybe a second on one or two.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 12, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the Musers talked about it...I mentioned it here
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/1/12/718059/more-michael-young-quotes#11353146
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Craig Miller
might have the worst handle on baseball of any media member in the area. And that’s obviously saying a lot.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 12, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh I know
it was maddening. I was screaming at my radio. ugh.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I called in but didn't get through.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
by sprite on Jan 12, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed per CMiller's baseball acumen.
A couple of years ago nobody on the show what OPS meant during one of their deep discussions on the Great Game.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, Sean Bass
is giving Junior a run for his money. Though I’m not sure that he even counts as a full fledged media member.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 12, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No I don't think he does
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Norm on Young next, 11:20ish. .
"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Had to limit Pacman talk
to just two-thirds of his show
by Brett Perryman on Jan 12, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
right when I’m leaving to go to lunch
can someone give me a rundown of what he says?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Norm also said as a tease
that Young is doing what the Rangers want him to do – ask for a trade.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
Norm, “Move Young to 2b and Kinsler to LF”
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
by sprite on Jan 12, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, whodathunkit?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"50 errors between SS & 2B next year
with Andrus & Kinsler"
Norm says that they knew Young would balk at this move to 3B and want to be traded.
Golly, gee whizz.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So..
Norm doesn’t know shit, just like you don’t know shit.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
by sprite on Jan 12, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
sprite, as tball would say, your take
is lacking nuance.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Replacing Young with Andrus would save runs.
Norm, like every other talk radio guy, is hung up on errors. You can’t make an error on a ball you don’t get to.
But, again, hide behind your flimsy arguments.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
gagreed
freido sounds upset that rangers don’t want to keep Face. norm makes a good point in that, its his contract is what makes him untrade-able, which kind of strikes me as the “no $hit” comment so far…
and the idea to have a trade worked out ahead of time, would have gotten out and blown up in the rangers face…
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
by ivysafety39 on Jan 12, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a terrible idea.
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by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Norm
“At 2B, MY’s numbers similar to Pedroia”
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he said Kinsler.
"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what i meant
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which numbers are those exactly?
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good points by Frito.
Young can’t be traded for anything of value at this point.
Norm once again says that the Rangers don’t want Michael Young on the team. – makes sense because he’s not going to be putting up $ 16 million worth of production at 3B on a team with a payroll below the KC Royals.
Norm says “this way we’re (Rangers) aren’t entirely the bad guy.” Where did we hear this last night and this morning?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I said it?
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If they didn't want MY on the team, they should've just waited till next offseason
to do all of this when his no-trade clause is softened. The Rangers have no trade leverage in trying to dump MY. They’ll get nothing for him and might end up paying some of his salary. It makes no sense to say that the Rangers front office wants to get rid of MY. They stand nothing to gain by doing it.
JD clearly said he is planning for MY to be a Ranger in 2009. The Rangers want MY to play 3B. Nolan has said they will not make it an ultimatum. As it now stands, MY can choose to play SS, and the Rangers can choose to keep Andrus at AAA. That’s not what the Rangers want, but it appears they would be accepting of that situation.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And we all know how well
JD trades when he is truly desperate.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet argument.
Way to go, overlooking the Teixeira trade, the Lofton trade, the Gagne trade…
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In Josey's defense
those didn’t transpire in the way the Soriano deal did which I assume Josey is referring to.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i was just reading about the baseballthinkfactory take on the soriano trade
any guesses as to what they thought of it at the time?
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Any guess as to what they thought of it now?
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
irrelevant
the issue is whether JD made a bad trade from a position of weakness.
he didn’t.
the fact that it became a bad trade was not known by the parties at the time. You can’t look at that trade and think that JD made a desperate move since nobody at the time saw it like that.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another issue:
Why does JD keeps putting himself into a position of weakness?
I think he did it again in this situation.
Just hate, if you want, but this is a recurrent problem…whether you want to blame JD or Hicks.
If the Rangers end up eating part of MY’s contract, what are you going to say after the years of complaining about eating A-Rod’s contract?
There is something…or somebody…fundamentally wrong in the rnager management suites.
I'm just killing time until I'm reincarnated.
by Clueless on Jan 13, 2009 5:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Circumstances with Young
are much different than with Tex, Lofton and Gagne.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this stuff is giving you a chubby
You’re pissing all over common sense and logic in your posts and loving every second of it when someone responds to your crap.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I also believe Michael Young has
blood on his hands as well because he took the money and now wants out.
I don’t blame him. All his buddies have moved on to places that actually care about winning.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who are his buddies?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ARod, Tex, Bradley
All of them have said very glowing things about him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The team does care about winning
That’s the point of moving MY to 3rd… Young/Andrus is way better for the future than Metcalf/Young
And if I recall, Kinsler and Hamilton have said “glowing things” about Young as well…not everyone’s trying to get out of the organization.
by fightingengineer on Jan 12, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Many of those trades (Soriano, CY) were believed to help "in-the-now".
Poor player assessment killed those trades from the outset, and an equally poor assessment of how close the Rangers were to being contenders was a real blind spot in JDs vision (though, I’m sure Hicks wanted to believe the Rangers were not in need of a rebuilding of the organization around prospect development). Regardless of JDs trade history in this type of situation, I deeply, deeply doubt that the front office hopes the situation comes to that.
So, I just don’t see why this was a move the Rangers made because the want to get rid of MY. There is nothing the organization can gain from that perspective. It’s a bitter argument.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Norm says
the rangers will have another A-Rod deal where they will have to pay $6 mil of MY’s contract each year.
"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004
by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Calls next.
i’m calling in. Let’s see if i get on.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
by sprite on Jan 12, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Got to him off air.
Basically reiterated that you aren’t going to get anything for him and that it makes the Rangers look like the Marlins for trying to trade Young. When pressed on why Kinsler to LF is a bad idea he pretty much just brushed it off.
0-2. I will get on the air. Bad Radio is next.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
by sprite on Jan 12, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BAD Radio
won’t be very nice to the Rangers today.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think think this is the end game
only they won’t receive Soriano/Arias and will also have to cough up a magic bean.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no way that is the end game.
They’ll let MY play SS this year before they do that. Then, if he’s still pissy next offseason, they’ll trade him when the no-trade clause goes away.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rooster,
the priority since 2004 with this thing is to make money and winning is secondary.
The Rangers now have to deal Young and the problem is that he’s being paid for past production.
The new team he goes to doesn’t give a bleep what he has done in his past.
Where the hell can they trade him and who will take on that contract in this economy?
To get somebody to take him, you’re going to need to sweeten the pot.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I can't understand the argument that the Rangers don't want MY.
They can’t possibly trade his salary. But, the argument is that they want to get rid of him to get rid of his salary. Those are mutually exclusive things under the circumstances. Both can’t happen. If they trade him, they will eat some of his salary, which means they won’t achieve their presumed goal of ridding themselves of his salary.
This is not a JD-Ryan-Hicks conspiracy to drive the payroll below the Rays.
So, anyway, I still think the compromise will be MY at SS in 2009, and Andrus starts in 2010. Neither side gets exactly what they want, but both get to save face to some extent.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How can people listen to sports radio?
I just don’t get it…
www.mavsmoneyball.com
by Wes Cox on Jan 12, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto, it's bad enough
we have Josey here. Sports radio is like a whole sea of him.
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by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if you were still listening
but that last caller about Pacman was one of the funniest calls I’ve heard in a long time.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that call
was a royal beating.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it was
but it was hilarious to hear Norm yell at him.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So who besides myself...
have been sort of hoping this kind of event would happen with Young, allowing us to dump that ridiculous contract?
I can’t be the only one..
by cmkelly29 on Jan 12, 2009 10:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It allows the Rangers to dump it
but I don’t see how you find a buyer. As one of the press clippings pointed out, that is a bad, bad contract. I seriously doubt anyone would take MY off the Rangers hands unless we gave them money to take it.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
it’s going to be a problem finding someone willing to take on that albatross. It’s just nice to know the front office is at least actively trying to move it.
by cmkelly29 on Jan 12, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or the Rangers could take back another team's bad contract
Someone like Lugo from Boston maybe?
by jcir454 on Jan 12, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Luis Castillo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop saying that.
If JD traded Young for Castillo he will be fired. If things got that desperate Young for Andruw Jones would be a much preferable route.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
by sprite on Jan 12, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why? Same money, right? 18mm? And Castillo might be able to play 3rd for a year or two as a stopgap.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It ate my, "But he'd be epically horrible there, of course".
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought he could only barely play 2b?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jones is off the books next year
and Castillo is in 2011. I’d think that would be a factor. Then at how it will play in the media. At least with Jones you could say that “he might recapture his swing in the BPIA,” Castillo would be “they traded Young for a 2b, what a terrible move.”
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
by sprite on Jan 12, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally I'd think they'd both get a total beating in the media, but Castillo can be off the books whenever we like, too, just by cutting him.
They’re both owed about 18mm.
I’d do Andruw Jones for FFace, too.
They’re basically the same exact deal, imo.
18mm worth of garbage we don’t want so that someone takes our horrible little whiny pussy off our hands.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Castillo is
a secondbaseman.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 12, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's also about 60mm cheaper than FFace over the next 5 years.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tha's probably how it happens
And I’m fine with it as long as the contract coming back isn’t particularly long.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are over estimating how untouchable Young is
Teams take on bad contracts all the time for players like Young. Remember, outside of the stat bubble that most of us live in, Michael Young is perceived as one of the top 20 or so players in the game. He won the gold glove because a plurality of AL managers value his defense more than anyone else in the league. He got on the all-star team because a plurality of players value his leadership (ha!) and skills as a SS. Perception dictates value in markets.
Lets say you are a team who needs to get your fan base behind you, so you want to acquire a premium brand player at a position of need to show that you are doing something (i.e., Twins). Or a team whose manager is a little psycho and loves Michael Young with a GM who is a little unconventional (i.e., White Sox). Or a divisional rival with too much money who sees an opportunity to stick it to a rival (i.e., Angels) Sure $16 million a year is stupid – but its Michael Young! He’s almost as good as Jeter who is making what, $22 million a year or something?
Overpaid – of course he is. But completely untradeable – I doubt it.
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What I think folks don't understand
he is being paid as the 12th highest paid position player in MLB. That’s superstar territory.
I really doubt the market will treat him like a “you’d pay to see him play” superstar. I don’t think that contract gets picked up by anybody.
I’d love to be proven wrong though.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
if we put him on waivers, no way he gets claimed
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 12, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope it doesn't come to that.
It’s ugly enough as it is. Manny probably needed that, as he’s not all that bright. But, Young can figure it out without going through it.
JD will probably get back to Young on the type of trade that could be accomplished and let him know that it isn’t in the interest of the Rangers to do any of them. That should be enough of a wake-up call for Young.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
12th highest paid position player
is not the same as being considered the 12th best player, given that most position players are still under team control. My argument is that there are some people out there who would consider Young, with his resume and reputation, to be in the top 25 position players in the league. All you need are one or two GMs who think that way and you can trade him.
I know that he is not that he’s worth that contract, or that it’d be easy to find a buyer. But I do think it is possible to get a team to pick up 70-80% of his contract (or 100% with a salary dump coming back) and return a decent (though not great) player in return.
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
12th highest paid player
better be someone folks pay to see. I doubt there are many folks around the league who are buying tickets to see Michael Young. For that kind of money, he needs to put butts in seats and sell merchandise.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
You read this blog right? I mean, the overwhelming majority of posters on here have been praying for something like this for some time.
I don’t know what would make you think you’re the only one…
by Anonymous New Guy on Jan 12, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MLBTR on possible suitors
Except, not really…
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/01/evaluating-mich.html
White Sox are the ones that make sense, and that Dye/Poreda package is palatable in terms of salary relief, though probably not a real possibility.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 12, 2009 10:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
forget about the pitcher
but I would take back Betemit as a young 3B to go with Dye.
by clark on Jan 12, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Betemit = Ugh.
He’s not that young, and he’s not good.
If thy want Young for Dye, just take the salary relief and sign someone off FA. (Crede, Councel, Wiggington, Ensberg, Nomar, whoever the hell is still out there…)
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The question is
Can you get Dye for Young straight up?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess? Hells to the no.
Young is a horrible little whiny bitch with a staggeringly huge long term contract who’s a career .279/.323/.404 hitter away from the BPiA.
He’s gotta be one of the most untradeable players in the game right now.
Plus he’s a little whiny pussy who throws hissy fits whenever he’s asked to do something that doesn’t fit in with his perception of who he is as a “man”.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Sox need a CF
Young and Borbon for Dye, Linebrink, and little Danks.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Bourbon... but I'd still do that in half a second.
Young is horrible.
I hate him.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you probably don't get along
with ex-girlfriends, do you?
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Sox
never make that trade.
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by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't sure how shedding Linebrink was a good or bad thing for them.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not how but if
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
< michael young>
IM A MAN! IM 40!!
</michael young>
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe the FO
just wasnt willing to go with another year of MY at ss ( gold glove notwithstanding ) and used the Andrus is almost ready as a ruse to help TFOF save face. Of course, if the King is ready sometime mid to late year so much the better
by BEW on Jan 12, 2009 10:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
In order not to have to pay off
some of Young’s contract, what if somebody makes you kick in one of those top prospects to go along with Young instead?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Young for Fukudome and Vitters
Who says no?
Fukudome has 3/38.5 left.
by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 10:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
"Who says no" The Cubs.
"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs do. Vitters is a legit prospect.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Young and Byrd for Fukudome and Vitters?
GIves the Cubs a lead off man and CF and frees up the Cubs from Fukudome’s contract…
by laxtonto on Jan 12, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But Vitters is blocked (not that that means the Cubs have to trade Vitters), and Young at 5/62 is a substantial upgrade over Fukudome at 3/38.5. Young is only six months older than Fukudome as well.
I’d say it is an interest base to build off of.
by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
young is willing to play 2nd base if he's dealt now????
WHAT THE FLYING EFF??
So, what’s all this bitching about him wanting to stay at SS because he just wan a GG??? What a loser, trade him to NY, that’s probably where he wants to go, so let him…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 10:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
better yet
send him to LA to hang out with his buddy GMJ.
If the Angels called and said they would take the whole contract and give back some Brandon Wood, that would be an ideal scenario.
"I see their [Angels] rotation as John Lackey and a bunch of decent starters." - AJM
by tricer on Jan 12, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a fantasy, though.
To give up his entire contract and get something valuable in return, and to a division rival no less.
There’s like a negative chance of that happening, imo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hypothetical
if the Angels called and said they would take the entire contract and give us some nondescript A-baller, does JD have the cajones to “give away” the FOTF to a division rival and get no talent in return?
Would you? I know your first reaction will be “of course I’d do anything to get rid of that whiny bitch and his contract if I get talent back or not”. But, would you really do that and take that PR bloodbath?
"I see their [Angels] rotation as John Lackey and a bunch of decent starters." - AJM
by tricer on Jan 12, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If they follow it
by signing Cabrera and Sheets it might alleviate some of the PR fallout.
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by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I would.
I’d trade Michael Young for a Hamburger.
Would JD?
I don’t know.
Surely it’d be easier if he turned right around and spent that 16mm on some sexy new FA’s, though, right?
Trade FFace for a hamburger, sign O-Cab and Crede on one year incentive laden deals, then try to sign Sheets to a 3 year deal.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.
by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We already have a Hamburger.
How about trading him for a hot dog?
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 12, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Screw it
how about we just sell him outright. No sense in getting back some 24 year old A baller. Call a spade a spade.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about Young for GMJ and Wood.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wood's stock is dropping
i don’t think he’s going to be any good…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
beign asked to leave your DL team isn't a good sign
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that would be quite the mass movement of Rangers to the Yankees.
The Yankees still only have 3 DHs. They could use another. Send ‘em Blalock and MY. Take Alan Horn in exchange. I don’t have enough reasons to hate the Yankees. This would help.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why doesn't anyone
want to play 3rd base???
Mass X Acceleration = Force
by SteveP on Jan 12, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
That a lot of this talk about “trade me now” and “I’ll play second” is more just Michael’s angry half talking. It is his resentment shining through the gray cloud that has situated on his head.
Two things to think about…
1. He said that he had the support of his teammates and other baseball professionals. I dont think any one of those teammates actually thinks he should be SS this year over Elvis, but that they agree he should have been presented with the proposition, not forced into a corner.
In the end, after Mike calms down and thinks about it, and talks to everyone, and his wife, I think he will say, "Alrighty, lets do this and go win a championship.
2. With Youngs range and currently declining bat, Young is not a 16M a year 3B. The contract will forever overshadow the player, fair and square. The only teams that will take this contract are the red sox, yankees, Angels, Dodgers, or other perinial big spenders. Outside of that, good luck johnny boy.
Its time...
by PM Productions on Jan 12, 2009 11:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Boy, that Snark v. Josey thread was something.
In that vein, who would win in a sissy fight between Richard Simmons, Andy Dick, or Tom Cruise.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 11:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tom Cruise
He’s got an entire cult to back him up
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just wondering
Remeber when the talk was of the Rangers getting Sheffield from the Tigers and no one could figure it out? Just wonder if that was MY for GS. One bad contract for another
by BEW on Jan 12, 2009 11:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Norm drops the F-bomb when talking about the Rangers
and compares them, the way they presently do business and the way they will do business to the Florida Marlins.
Ouch.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he needs to just shut up
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ouch?
Granted, their owner is worse than Hicks, but I’d take a couple WS.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So if Andrus comes up this year, his clock starts running
and he ends up being the second coming of Jose Reyes…
does anybody really expect this team to be able to keep the core (one of) of Salty/Tea, CDavis (Boras his agent), Kinsler coming up again, Hamilton and Andrus while maintaining a KC Royals payroll?
Then we’ll also have some of those pitchers coming up at the same time…so why in the hell do you bring up Andrus when he’s not ready?!?!!?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to explain this one more time.
The chances of Andrus being the starting shortstop in 2009 are slim/none.
The chances of Andrus being the starting shortstop in 2010 are pretty good.
Period.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I fully want the Rangers to spend more than they do.
I think the fans are entitled to it. Hicks has just decided to not go into the red at all as a backlash to the soaking he took when he first bought the team. He’s entitled to that. It’s an impasse, unless the fans just decide to not show up. However, what doesn’t show up in the payroll is how much the Rangers have expanded their talent evaluation staff and built a Dominican academy. So, he has invested in the organization. Hicks is not a complete miser.
It depends on who develops on the farm, but I’d have to say at least Salty and one of Kinsler or Davis would probably be dealt for prospects in 2-4 years, especially if they really do hit gold in Feliz, Holland, and Main. It’s true that that is the economics of the Rangers management.
I really don’t see why that necessarily means the Rangers are trying to run MY’s contract out of town.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because management believes the Rangers will not be ready to be competitive until 2010.
So, they take a hit in 2009 with Andrus with the hope that he’ll acclimate quickly and be solid in 2010 rather than take a hit with him in 2010 when they hope to be running on all cylinders.
Besides, Young probably wouldn’t be anymore excited about shifting positions after this season. Either way, there was a high probability of loud complaining from Young. This way they have time to convince Young they actually want him around.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the way they will do business to the Florida Marlins.
if this means we win to World Series, im down
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
knockoutking,
We’re the Florida Marlins without the benefits.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
awesome
new signature.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
on second thought i like my current one
sorry
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Josey's sig
he should change it to:
Knee-jerking and twisting logic ain’t hard, it’s ignoring facts and context that’s hard.
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by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Dave Cameron's take
In reality, I don’t expect a real suitor to step forward for Young. The teams that need shortstops already low-balled Rafael Furcal this winter, and Orlando Cabrera is currently struggling to drum up interest. Having Young accept a move to third base is likely the best scenario for all involved.
by Randy Richardson on Jan 12, 2009 12:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
F
but that sounds correct
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really
Young staying with the Rangers at 3b option is still ideal (barring some team actually wanting to trade for him).
Young may realize, like Peavy in San Diego, that even when both the team and the player want a trade, such things aren’t always possible.
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think he stays
bridges have been burned.
imagine when Andrus comes up and looks over to this right and see’s a player who hates him…
team chem will suffer if he stays, he HAS to go now…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is just not a whole lot of ambiguity
in a paragraph that reads " “I’m not playing third base. I’m pretty adamant about my stance. I told them I wanted to be traded. The biggest misconception is that I was asked to move to third base. I was never asked. I was flat-out told. I was told I was playing third base. I felt that I had absolutely no say. I don’t feel like there was any discussion or dialogue about the matter.”
If Young is here and scuffling at 3B while Andrus is doing what every young player does (struggle mightily), I can’t imagine that’s going to play well in the room, especially when these boys are losing as much as I expect them to.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
but if he can’t be traded (and Texas won’t accept a PR disaster trade where we pay 60% of his salary and don’t get anything back), Young will have two choices: play 3b or retire and give up that money. I’m thinking the former is more palatable.
Obviously that is not ideal and probably a clubhouse disaster if he is forced to do anything. But just because Young wants a trade (and was generous enough to provide a “small” list), doesn’t mean another team will go for it.
by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned this earlier...
both parties want to get away from each other.
Both parties now have a reason (“We want our championship caliber players lined up together” / “I’m not playing 3B”) although both are bullshit.
The real reasons are because the Rangers want out of that contract on a KC Royals payroll and Young is tired of being on a team stapled to the treadmill of mediocrity but is now willing to be moved because he finally got paid.
Playing Young at 3B is not going to make him happy and the fact that he is going to be making $ 80 million over the next 5 years is not going to make Tom Hicks happy.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're absolutely right.
Instead of a perfectly logical explanation that a baseball team would want to put its best players on the field, and a veteran feels slighted that he is being asked to move…
…it makes a lot more sense for an organization to publicly and willingly enter a public relations shitstorm, by intentionally angering its franchise player.
I can’t believe I ever doubted you.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn't be hearing MY demanding a trade
If he was staying at SS. His desire to be traded is not because of the “low” payroll. It’s because his panties are all twisted up about his position.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Both the team and MY are providing BS reasons for wanting out of the relationship. The team is BSing to hide a more sinisiter motive (cheapness and a dedication to losing) and MY is BSing to hide a more noble motive (he wants to win).
Why would MY lie about wanting to win?
by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Young doesn't want to publicly
say something along the lines of what ARod said about “Me and 24 kids.”
It probably is best for all parties that he’s traded.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Young's comments were worse than ARod's
ARod wasn’t complaining about his job or any personal achievements. He was complaining that Hicks made a promise that he couldn’t keep: that he would continue to spend and turn the team into a winner. Sure, ARod could have said it with more tact (he shouldn’t have insulted his teammates like that), but atleast his criticisms were correct.
Young’s comments had nothing to do with winning, but have everything to do with pride:
“At this point in my career, I didn’t think it was fair to move. I reached out to teammates and former teammates and veterans to get their thoughts and everyone supported me. All I’ve ever done is think about the team and do what’s best by them. But at the same time, when it comes to long-term commitment and respect factor, it should be a two-way street.”
by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fural is coming off a bad year
injury concerns there as well.
Young is extremely durable and is a better offensive player.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Furcal
is not coming off a bad year. Injury concerns are valid though.
by Randy Richardson on Jan 12, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly...
Has there been a more depressing time in sports in DFW than right now? Cause right now, Dallas sports depress me more than the economy….
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Jan 12, 2009 12:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Charlie Steiner & Seth Miller on XM making
fun of Rangers once again painting themselves into another financial corner with another one of their shortstops.
They don’t think there is any way he can be traded.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why are you depressed?
the idea of trading MY makes be very happy.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I don't mind if we trade him
It just seems like here in Dallas we either have teams that underachieve and disappoints, or we have players that want out of here
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Jan 12, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MJH on Ben & Skin at 2:10:
http://forum.newbergreport.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7193
"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 12:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And Jamey at 3:25.
"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Knowing how Jamey feels about
both JD & MYoung, this could be interesting.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
link to listen to this online?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben posted this one:
"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah my work computer blocks that
I need a mms feed to stream through windows media, but I can’t find one. I have the Ticket’s — but that just gets me NFL talk.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hey dirk
try this one:
http://player.play.it/player/player.html?v=4.1.25&id=118&onestat=klli-freefm
its a direct link
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
use this one
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha!
Just what I was posting…
http://player.play.it/player/player.html?v=4.1.25&id=118&onestat=klli-freefm
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
great minds sir…great minds lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bah
blocked….
I use mms://live.cumulusstreaming.com/KTCK-AM for the ticket.
I found 105.3 on the AOL Radio app for the iphone, so I guess I can use that.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which version of the iphone do you have?
v1 or v2?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
3G so I guess you mean v2.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Try this:
Wow, KScott went over there?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
awesome
thanks that works…
using VLC to stream it.
this websense crap pisses me off
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good :)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you get movies from?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pornhub
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by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, what genre do you prefer?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Waiting ...
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 12, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Only appropriate response
on a baseball blog is young latins.
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by t ball on Jan 13, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
somehow i have a feeling thats not going to be posted on here
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh...
to***nts. Email me and I’ll tell more.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I gotcha.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what about Young for Swisher?
is that fair or not?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 12:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
if I were the Yanks I'd rather just keep Cano(I think he rebounds).
"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear Chipper's ticked off in ATL
[Is that Sam Grizzle in your profile pic?]
by shroomer on Jan 12, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was Joseph McCarthy?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 12, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But what do the Yankees do with Young?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he'd play his beloved 2nd base
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Cano?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
according to kellerman
he and melky partied too much together which led to their crappy seasons last year and one of them should get traded, maybe it will be cano over melky…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so lets get this straight
had they all ASKED michael young to move to 3b, none of this would have happened?
but since they said “your moving” hes upset?
again…lets get this straight. had he been ASKED to move to 3b he would have been ok with it and said “ok, lets play two” (ernie banks-style)
…correct?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 12:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think they
did ask him. He said no. They then said that he was the Rangers thirdbaseman. MY then asked to be traded.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 12, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta Braves
GM Frank Wren is apparently feeling the pressure after letting Smoltz go to Boston. According to MLBTR: “There’s other guys out there that we like. I have trade proposals on my desk as we speak that would bring another pitcher to us. There’s other things we can do…The trade proposal that I have on my desk – that was put in place six weeks ago.”
I wouldn’t be surprised if Millwood is that guy on the desk.
by Randy Richardson on Jan 12, 2009 1:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
peavy?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy
from everything I’ve seen, the Peavy to Atlanta trade is dead.
by Randy Richardson on Jan 12, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right
but wasnt that talked about 6 weeks ago ish?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
when he says:
“I have trade proposals on my desk as we speak that would bring another pitcher to us.”, I take that to mean that if he calls the other GM and says “I want to make this deal”, it would happen. I think the Peavy trade talks would have to completely be reopened and would take a while to be worked out.
by Randy Richardson on Jan 12, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
At this point I’m real skeptical of any Peavy trade.
I thought immediately of Millwood.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 12, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the fact that they are talking about pacman on 105.3
is actually amusing to me
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 1:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I fear Bob and Dan...
will be talking MY at 2:10 as well. Oh well, I gotta hear MJH. If anyone is staying tuned to BaD Radio, let me know what they say.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Jan 12, 2009 1:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i actually have both streaming right now
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Jan 12, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just went up
JD’s looking for more of the status quo.
“I still believe there is a likelihood that we can come together on this and put it behind us,” Daniels said Monday morning. “We want to have further discussions with Mike and talk to him about it. We’re all preparing for Michael to be an integral part of our team going forward. That’s how we’re preparing and that’s my expectations.”
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 12, 2009 2:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's deferred compensation
Major League sources said Young’s contract is a factor. He signed a five-year, $80 million contract extension in Spring Training 2007 that begins this season. That includes a $10 million signing bonus that is the Rangers’ responsibility. With deferred compensation factored in, any club that trades for Young will be taking on a contract with a present-day value left of approximately $62 million.
by cstorm15 on Jan 12, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Josey's talking on Ben and Skin right now
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 2:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
See next thread up
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boston's catcher
MLBTR:
2:44pm: Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic weighs in:
We’re hearing the Diamondbacks aren’t getting the impression that the Red Sox are zeroing in on Montero. The clubs are still talking — or maybe we should say they are again talking — and the Sox have tweaked their offer, but it apparently is not to the point where it satisfies the Diamondbacks.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 12, 2009 2:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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